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7271339 No.7271339 [Reply] [Original]

Are flat panel displays at a point where we can admit that the advantage of CRTs is aesthetic and not practical?

>> No.7271340

No.

>> No.7271365

>>7271339
When are LCDcucks going to realize that "lag" was never as serious an issue for retrogaming as the games looking like total shit compared to on a CRT?

>> No.7271389

>>7271339
Its not just imput lag but retro games look like vomit on flat panel displays.

>> No.7271421

Are crt filters worth it? I don't have a crt

>> No.7271424

I've read these things online and believe them to be true.

>> No.7271440

tvs are made for looking at things so having an aesthetic advantage is the most important thing u dumb bitch

>> No.7271451

>>7271339
>Are flat panel displays at a point where we still have to cope and strawman to make ourselves feel less of losers because our mommies won't let us have an old TV in our room?
According to your post the answer is a resounding yes

>> No.7271468

>>7271339
CRTs are only practical for lightgun games since they don't work on modern TVs.

>> No.7271526

>>7271421
for gen 4 and below, yes, *but* they mostly look like shit on monitors under 1440p, and don't give you the most critical advantage of CRTs that apply to all generations: motion clarity
for that, you'll need a 120 or 240 Hz monitor (the monitor must be capable of displaying 2x the frames of the content) and black frame insertion, and even then it'll be dark as fuck because you'll lose half the brightness because every other frame is black.

>> No.7271650

>>7271339
800 micro seconds is TOO MUCH

>> No.7271682

confirmed never used a crt

>> No.7271710

Everyone who owns a CRT owns a flatscreen as well at this point
So is the argument basically
>Even though I don't have both options available to me, those who do have both options are WRONG for sometimes picking the option I don't have!
is that about right?

>> No.7271715
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7271715

Jesus Christ you CRTVlettes just can't cope. They are not hard to find, you're just underageb&

>> No.7271779

>rose-tinted asshole nostalgia fags and zoomers want to bring back CRTs
fuck
no
fuck no
fuck those abominations and their shit resolution-100-pound-no-connections-zero-industry-standards asses
CRT-era video games were designed to look good on shitty CRTs because that was the tech available at the time. you fucks are out here wondering why your canoe paddle works like ass on your speed boat.
Just use a filter.
>bUt ThE FiLtEr DoEsn'T LooooooooooK LiKe mUh tV
none of the CRTs even looked like another CRT. because they were shit. Congrats, you're taking your first steps to realizing garbage doesn't have a universal standard in the looks department.

>> No.7271853

LCDs haven't even surpassed CRTs in general. Still waiting for a new display tech that doesn't have built in motion blur.

>> No.7271934

>>7271339
The progress in the latency of the TVs doesn't matter nearly as much as the progress of off the shelf scalers does.

If the average LCD has OSSC level of competence in upscaling 240p CRTs would no longer be the most affordable way to experience real hardware and people would just plug their consoles into their everyday sets

>> No.7271952

>>7271339
>flat screen
who the fuck calls them that now
I couldn't give two shits about the input lag but they do make everything 480 and less look a lot better and their colour output is great but my OLED is definitely better for most stuff now

>> No.7271958

>>7271339
I am a rich collector, with many bvms, japanese candy cabs and many games.
I do not have a home, bc I live rent free in the heads of people like you.

>> No.7271974

>>7271339
I want an elitist retro gaming gf

>> No.7271981

>>7271779
kek
lifting a CRTV was always a pain in the ass
one thing i definitely don't miss
t. truck driver

>> No.7271998

>>7271710
Pretty much this. Just own both and use what you prefer.
>but muh space!
If you don't even have space for a CRT then you need to set your priorities straight first.
>>7271779
>shit resolution
You got monitors doing 1600x1200 and PVMs do 1080i.
>100-pound
Only the bigger models, but they're easy to lift.
>no-connections
Late models have SCART, composite, component, RF, S-video and HDMI. Composite is present in most, appart from cheapo models, just like nowadays cheapo LCDs have no ports at all.
>>7271779
>wondering why your canoe paddle works like ass on your speed boat
No we're not. We already got it straight that LCDs are shit for old consoles/games. This is also true if trying to watch a VHS on a big LCD.
>Just use a filter.
I tried it and compared to a CRT side-by-side. It lacks the glow and smell. And I didn't like any of the filters I saw, really.
>none of the CRTs even looked like another CRT
Same thing happens with LCDs due to the color science the brand uses and the way the panel is manufactured. I know a guy who doesn't like the image of Samsungs and loves LGs, for example. And then you have brands that are completely washed out no matter what you change in settings.
>>7271981
I can imagine inside boxes, but once unpacked it's ok, since most have handles or holes on the bottom.

>> No.7272005

>>7271998
>Same thing happens with LCDs
If they have similar gamuts and contrast and are both calibrated, not really. Actually this applies to CRTs as well, to a lesser extent.

>> No.7272023

>>7272005
Yeah, if they're by the same brand or both brands use the same kind of panel, but that's not always the case.
CRTs is a bit harder, I believe it's not just the type of mask on the screen, but also how the whole internals work, since it has less digital signals, if you know what I mean.

>> No.7272027

>>7272023
CRTs being analog of course have way more variables. But similar gamut, similar contrast, calibrated panels would look mostly the same unless you really looked for differences.

>> No.7272034

>>7272027
Yeah, that's true. I've picked up 6 until now and only 1 looks different because it's a widescreen trinitron.

>> No.7272037
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7272037

*ehem*
emulator CRT filter

>> No.7272061

>>7271779
>The resolution sucks
Aah, playing my old consoles in 480i like the developers intended
>They're too heavy
How weak are you that you can't lift 50lbs off the ground?
>T-they're shit because different manufacturers!
Cope Classic

>> No.7272063

>>7271421
BSNES has a very nice set of CRT filters to pick and choose from.

>> No.7272114

I use CRT filters on a CRT

>> No.7272118

i just put honey mustard on my wal-mart mac n cheese and it was pretty good

>> No.7272154

>>7272114
Wait, that's illegal!
>>7272118
Try crunchy peanut butter on canned tuna. It's surprisingly good.

>> No.7272176
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>>7272154
sounds fffffucking disgusting

>> No.7272195

Not really. Superior blacks, superior response times, arbitrary resolution... It's all a tradeoff really. There's a timeline where CRT's kept getting flatter and smaller (components other than the display itself ofc) and LCD's never really took off. Imagine another 20 years of improvement done on CRT tech.

>> No.7272223

Even as a kid long before better displays would be available I hated CRTs and the awful glare they put off.

>> No.7272280
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>>7272037
>emulator lagging randomly
>emulator latency issue

>> No.7272443

The main benefit of a CRT is the zero-added-latency flicker. Flicker is the only way to get high motion quality from 60fps games. Theoretically an LCD with rolling backlight could replicate CRT flicker with almost the same latency, but in practice this doesn't happen.

>> No.7272526
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7272526

I wonder if most people who hate flat panel games don't realize that you can actually make retro systems look fantastic now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftM-PbW6r1Q
This is an actual Super Nintendo running through an OSSC. Just because you're using a flat panel doesn't mean you need to plug RCA cables into the back of a TV.

>> No.7272527

>>7271339
CRTs are still practical.
Many people still have them and they can occasionally be found for cheap or free.
Plus people have uses for them other than primary monitors.

4K TVs are common but 4K monitors are not in very common use yet.

1440p is a cope

>> No.7272534

>>7271779
PC CRTs were high definition by the 1990s.

Not everyone is a console gamer, Zoomer!

>> No.7272629

>>7271526
lol what

>> No.7272641

>>7271421
I like the look of them aesthetically, and Royale looks great on a 4k monitor, but they feel a bit intrusive and overbearing for most games. Harsh on the eyes. I wish retroarch would include an opacity slider for shaders.

>> No.7272642

>>7272061
>emulator lagging
lts 2020 man. Get the fuck outta here with your trannime and fake news post.

>> No.7272646

>>7272527
>I have a CRT
>1440p is a cope
OK, poorfaggot.

>> No.7272660

>>7272646
I have a 50 inch 4K IPS TV.

>> No.7272847

>>7272646
Nothing works in 1440p, it's either 1080p or 2160p.

>> No.7272862

>>7271339
Its not about input lag for me. Its all about motion clarity. Go play sonic 3d blast on random LCD screens and most can't do it. Turtles in Time turbo tunnel section is another smeary mess.

>> No.7272885

>LCDs are crap because they can't reproduce the look of inferior, obsolete technology!
I will never understand the mindset of CRT fags.

>> No.7272898

>>7272176
It does, but it's pretty good. Just leave a bit of water in so it's not too dry. Proper ghetto style straight outta the can.

>> No.7272913

>>7272847
Youtube has 1440p quality...
>>7272885
Good. The more faggots there are like you, the more free CRTs I can get. Shame the same think doesn't happen with vinyl and cassettes, since those are coming back.

>> No.7272995

>>7271468
ENTER SINDEN LIGHTGUN

>> No.7273045

>>7271339
>Are flat panel displays at a point
Not gonna happen unless the makers of flat panels switch to different tech. Even mini LEDs will not offer the depth and warm luminosity of a CRT.

>> No.7273079

>In only ten more years, you'll be able to buy $10,000 televisions that can match what CRTs were doing 20 years ago.

LCDfags are truly the worst.

>> No.7273087

>>7271339
I really love the 'anonymous 4chan drawfag' style, especially the smooth and crisp lines.

>> No.7273091

>>7271779
>speedboats exist so nobody should own a canoe
now THIS is copeposting

>> No.7273164

>>7272847
Play a modern game and you’d realize how wrong you are.

>> No.7273204

>>7272642
when did I mention lag retard?

>> No.7273218

>>7271779
you should stick to watching video games instead of playing them

>> No.7273267

>>7273164
>Play a modern game
no thanks I don't want to watch movies with QTE

>> No.7273275

glad that the old worst threads on this board are still still floating around well after /v/ turning this place into a toilet

>> No.7273283

>>7271339
Your tv will never be a woman (bvm)

>> No.7273307
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7273307

I actually was able to prank a few purist friends who REFUSE to play on anything but CRT and "Don't understand how anyone can tolerate how imprecise all emulation is" by having my PC running retroarch with run-ahead enabled and hooked up to a CRT on the other side of the room. I snaked the cables behind my entertainment center and had my SNES turned on and ready to go when they walked in the room so it appeared to be what I was was playing at the time. To really sell it I tucked the controller wires back behind it and had very convincing USB controllers coming out from behind which were actually plugged into my computer with extension cables. We all love to play Vs. fighters all of the time so it was easy to rope both of them into a quick tournament.

I was considering filming it with a hidden camera it but I felt like it would have been too embarrassing for either of them if it went gone viral so I ultimately decided not to. The one I played against actually kicked my ass real good so I said "great game dude" and then turned the snes off but the image was still there on the screen. I actually had to show them, step by step how I fooled them and neither one of them believed it at first thinking it was a double trick and they ACTUALLY WERE playing a real SNES the whole time. We had a good chuckle about it at first but one of them was a giant aspie A-hole about it a few days later so I'm glad we don't talk anymore. He owns (used to maybe?) a small retro gaming store and gave me this big butthurt lecture afterwards because he thinks casual emulation should be a state crime and prosecuted like shoplifting. He doesn't even think software fair use should even exist, that any copy of anything is a crime so he can fuck right off.

I think I proved my point very well to both of them that just like every active technology something better will eventually come along and it cant be stopped. Me and the one friend finally play the PC port of smash brawl over lan as god intended.

>> No.7273310

>>7273079
>what CRTs were doing 20 years ago
Getting thrown in dumpsters and left on curbs because people couldn't even give them away?
>>7273091
>completely missing the point
I shouldn't be that surprised at a crt revisionist.

>> No.7273317

>>7273307
*melee I mean

>> No.7273330

>>7273310
20 years ago crts were still being manufactured anon

>> No.7273340

@7273307
tl:dr
fake and gay
not even giving it a (you)

>> No.7273410

>>7273340
Oh look, another blown out CRT fag

>> No.7273418

>>7271339
>lag
Been fixed for donkey years on emulators.

>> No.7273441

>>7272995
Every video I've seen of it in action makes it look like it's functionally just a more accurate Wiimote, but not something accurate enough to really substitute for an arcade light gun. This video's a good example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uGQKEc5YyA

>> No.7273442

>>7273310
>>7273410
>get btfo
>continue posting
zoom away little zoomer

>> No.7273619

>>7273330
and people were still paying for AOL until last year
>>7273442
>pretending obsolete tech has benefits
>thinking current iterations comparable to first wave
>accepting that old tech looks shit in comparison to current and outputting old tech through just as old tech won't make it look any better
yeah, btfo for sure
and as you're totally not a zoomer or rose-tinted nostalgia fag, i bet you just forgot that nobody gave a shit about trying to keep up with CRT tech in the late 90s

>> No.7273641

>>7273619
No one needed to "keep up" with it, you tard. Because you could just get a TV that looked great and played video games great.

>> No.7273719

>>7271339
Why does no one mention the color bleed on CRT's that is so common? It feels like I'm taking crazy pills when I mention this. It's at its worst too at it's famed perfect black levels where the colors smear the hardest.

>> No.7273735

>>7273719
You don't get to talk about the flaws on CRTs, only the flaws on flat panels
Oh and any differences that are positive or negative on flat panels are actually flaws in case you were wondering

>> No.7273752

>>7273735
I don't hate CRT's but the color bleed can match the movement blur of LCDs in distractiveness depending on the color balance at times.

>> No.7273778

>>7271339
You can't draw an image faster than directly controlling an electron beam. LCD will always be slower.

>> No.7273797

>>7273778
And sound will always be slower than light, meaning you'll always have a bit of lag from when you press the button to when the sound reaches you. But 99% of people accept that there's a threshold where lag becomes truly unnoticeable.

>> No.7273803

>>7273797
Yes, and LCD is still noticeably slower than CRT, in fact LCD will be replaced by some new tech before it catches up.

>> No.7273829

>>7273641
>No one needed to "keep up" with it, you tard. Because you could just get a TV that looked great and played video games great
Oh, so CRTs were shit until they improved to finally be better than LCDs, just before the LCD transition, but even though nobody had a CRT that was better than the LCDs, everybody had a CRT that was better than LCD?
Totally makes sense, totally.

But seriously, you CRT fucks can't even maintain a comprehensive argument about CRT v. LCD because you're incapable of admitting that the only benefit to CRTs in gaming is to chase nostalgia purism.

>> No.7273836

>>7273829
I have no idea what you're incoherent rambling is all about, to be honest, take your pills. The mid 90s CRT my parents had when I was a kid looked great and the mid 2000s CRT I have now looks great.
The only thing that sucked were those huge rear-projector TVs which were popular around the year 2000. No one is talking about those.

>> No.7273920

>>7273836
>you're incoherent rambling
smooth

>> No.7273953

Can't you fags just enjoy both? I play content up to mid 2000s on a CRT and after that on a LCD. If there's content that looks better on the other, then I use it. I keep both side by side on my living room.

>> No.7273982

>>7273619
>and people were still paying for AOL until last year
your point being?

>> No.7274020

>>7271365
>"lag" was never as serious an issue for retrogaming
and yet you CRTfags keep bringing it up.

>> No.7274026

>>7272629
whats your problem with my post

>> No.7274106

>>7273307
Cool

>> No.7274129

>>7273982
>your point being?
wow... really?

>> No.7274260

>>7274129
yes really, what is your fucking point faggot? what do crts have to do with AOL?

>> No.7274291
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7274291

>>7272037
*ahem*
LCD motion blur

>> No.7274310

>>7273719
Because it is only really common on older televisions, particularly before the mid 90s.

Computer monitors are generally better made.

>> No.7274465

>>7272629
why do i care about this when i can beat tyson in punch out with a dualshock 4 via bluetooth

>> No.7274470

>>7274026
>>7272629
Oops. >>7274465 was supposed to be a response to you.

>> No.7274484

>>7271339
Mostly. Royale looks pretty good at 4K on an OLED and with VRR they can lock to weird arcade and PAL refresh rates 15khz CRTs typically can't. Lag using gsync on these TVs is practically non existent.

Yes. It's not QUITE like a CRT, and I still have one to compare, but it's close enough, far more practical, and better for everything modern too.

>> No.7274514

>>7271339
>>7271365
Playing on an emulator with a CRT filter is identical to playing on an actual CRT with a SNES, prove me wrong.

>BUT MUH COLOR SATURATION
Modify the settings then.

>BUT MUH FEEL
Then buy a USB snes or genesis controller.

>BUT MUH LAG
Average input lag on an emulator is around 60-120 milliseconds, some getting as low as 10-20 milliseconds, which to put this into perspective; the amount of time it takes for you to blink is equal to 150 milliseconds.

>BUT MUH NOSTALGIA
Get over it. Time is never going to go backwards, you are on an unstoppable journey into the future, there are no brakes, there are no stops, it will never cease, playing original hardware will neither stop time nor make you a kid again.

You will save time (looking for hardware, ordering it online and waiting, setting it up), you will save money (buying a CRT, consoles, controllers, games), you will save your patience (save states, customizable controls), but most of all, you will save space (finding room for all of it in what is likely your already crowded room/apartment).

>> No.7274520

>>7274291
Chopped significantly on OLED. Also, have you ever watched bright object move on a dark background on a CRT? There's a blurry streak. The "no blur on CRT" meme is a meme.

>> No.7274521

>>7273719
The worst part is the geometry. Especially considering how it warps depending on what's on screen so there's no perfecting it.

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>>7273829
>the only benefit to CRTs in gaming is to chase nostalgia purism.

>> No.7274529

>>7271715
>CRTV
tube and television are different words

>> No.7274538

>>7273307
>We had a good chuckle about it at first but one of them was a giant aspie A-hole about it a few days later so I'm glad we don't talk anymore. He owns (used to maybe?) a small retro gaming store and gave me this big butthurt lecture afterwards because he thinks casual emulation should be a state crime and prosecuted like shoplifting. He doesn't even think software fair use should even exist, that any copy of anything is a crime so he can fuck right off.
do you have any other stories about this guy being a sperg/asshole?

>> No.7274568

>>7274520
>Chopped significantly on OLED
*all* OLED displays? becaus every OLED ive seen including my phone) has had shit motion blur
>Also, have you ever watched bright object move on a dark background on a CRT?
yes, i have seen it, and i'm far more concerned with motion clarity than after images in certain scenarios.
in shooters, i would much rather be playing on a CRT, because i'll never have motion blur on it because i'll never be in a purely black environment that would cause that particular issue

>> No.7274590

>>7274520
>>7274568
OLEDs are still sample and hold which is why they are blurry garbage anyways. They at least don't have the utter laundry list of motion issues LCDs do.

>> No.7274661

>>7272280
You need either better hardware or a better emulator. And dropping the trip obviously.

>> No.7274674

i have a CRT and an OLED and I use both
I prefer the CRT for gen5 and before, it's a better experience

>> No.7274680

>>7271339
HDTV's are really nice for retro games provided you have the money to burn for scailing solutions like a OSSC, or a Retrotink if you want to save money, as most if not all HDTV's display 240p incorrectly and make games look like ass.

CRT's however are still nice if you have the space due to how cheap they are to find nowadays, and are just plug and play, even composite can look great on them due to processing 240p correctly unlike an HDTV.

Lag nowadays isn't really an issue for causal gamers as the delay is now usually imperceptible.

I'd say now just go the route that fits your needs and/or budget.

>> No.7274724

>>7271339
now if you used a CRT, anything but a Sony Trinitron is completely unacceltable

>> No.7274762

>>7274020
The vast majority of us don't, but okay. Keep propping up that strawman.

>> No.7274804

>>7274310
Most consumer CRT televisions have some form of color bleed, however minimized.

>> No.7274884

>>7274514
>Average input lag on an emulator is around 60-120 milliseconds
That's an insanely huge amount of input lag, equivalent to multiple frames, and instantly noticeable.

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7274946

>>7273307
>he thinks anyone believes his larp

>> No.7275013

>have Sony Bravia HD LCD from like 2006
>old TV now bedroom TV
>has svideo input
>only 46" so not too big it distorts badly
>put it in 4:3
>looks clean
>enable game mode
>don't notice any lag
HD flatscreens can be a gamble but they aren't all bad. I don't always want to drag out my CRT every time I want to play so I normally leave a system plugged into the LCD unless I am wanting to play something new to me and wanna get the pure experience

>> No.7275102

>>7272913
>Shame the same think doesn't happen with vinyl
Something even worse happened.
Retards believed the absolute nonsense vinyl enthusiasts were spouting and pissed away ridiculous amounts of money on gadgets that was either unnecessarily over-engineered, or just outright inferior.
>or cassettes
Even the most dyed-in-the-wool audiophile will tell you that cassettes were always a horrible format.

>> No.7275152

>>7274590
>OLEDs are blurry garbage
>other TV types are worse
>but OLEDs suck
Bro OLEDs are the best TV out rn, sounds like poorfag cope

>> No.7275168

>>7273079
I wouldn't be surprised if a more viable VR version exists before that.

>> No.7275170

>>7271339
It's never been practical but it's not aesthetic.

>> No.7275213

>>7275152
OLEDs objectively suck for motion since they are sample and hold, yes. They have trouble with brightness too so they therefore also have trouble with BFI/low persistence. More expensive doesn't mean better anon. They're awesome at contrast, black levels and most other things though.

>> No.7275219

>>7271339
also look like shit

>> No.7275375

>>7275213
My OLED has no trouble with brightness. They did a couple years ago but mines a 2020 model. Also has motion blur reduction. G-sync too, shit's pretty much built for gaming. I use it with my PC all the time

At the store, side by side with a QLED which was being marketed as the "brighter one that's slightly more colorful" and the OLED "better blacks but a little dimmer" the OLED appeared darker.. until I took it home and put changed it to a brighter picture mode lol, when it detects my playstation or PC it gets way brighter

>> No.7275376

>>7275375
You need considerably higher brightness than OLEDs can provide in order to mirror CRT motion. Remember that BFI is more or less just PWM dimming the display. An OLED with CRT level motion clarity would be unusable without night vision goggles.

>> No.7275419

>>7275013
>I don't always want to drag out my CRT every time I want to play
Just leave it out, then.
>>7275102
Vinyl just sounds different and the fact that you have to set it all up is part of the experience, but it's been so hyped that 1$ vinyls went up to 30$.
Same thing for cassettes. They actually have the same quality as a CD, provided you're using a decent deck and type 4 or better. People say cassettes sounded bad because they were using dirt cheap type 1 copies from radio streams, or type 2 in some cases.

>> No.7275425

>>7275419
I've seen audiophiles take their retardation to spectacular levels.
I had one tell me with a straight face that double blind tests were unscientific (he was buttblasted over the monster cable vs wire coathanger test).

>> No.7275439

>>7275425
Yeah, I tend to stay away from those. There's decent audiophiles out there though. I consider myself a newbie one and I might suggest things to other people if they ask, but I won't go turbo autism on it.

>> No.7275445

>using the strawman of input lag as the chief complaint against LCDs and not the overcooked sharpness of high resolution displays

>> No.7275464

>>7271339
>we can admit that the advantage of CRTs is aesthetic and not practical
For a fucking SCREEN i.e. something you SEE a game with, the aesthetic is the practical.

>> No.7275473

>>7274465
lol is this supposed to be a humble brag?

>> No.7275482

>>7275473
It's supposed to demonstrate that "muh input lag" is a retarded meme.

>> No.7275524

>>7271339
will anyone even want LCD's in the future? What advantage do they have over Plasma's and OLED's.

It's hard to imagine them ever becoming sought after. Maybe the monitors with monster high refresh rates or ones with every type of connection known to man on the back, who knows.

>> No.7275536

Most modern flat panel displays do not have an RF or S-video input

>> No.7276725

>>7275524
>will anyone even want LCD's in the future?
No. They're a technology without merit and are basically worthless, unless whatever replaces them is even worse than LCD, which I doubt. See how worthless VGA LCDs are. Nobody wants them, but many people are paying big money now for good quality CRTs.

>> No.7276747

>>7276725
not to mentioned that $2,000 OLED is meant to crap out within 5 years

>> No.7277309

>>7276747
my QLED tv shit itself after literally THREE years just out of warranty
nothing fucking lasts anymore

>> No.7277326

>>7271339
are you retarded? it depends entirely on the model of the tv and there are LED displays with less than .200ms delay

>> No.7277338

modern flat screens if you use emulation with crt filter.
CRTs for real hardware.

>> No.7277343

>>7277326
That agrees with the OP image anon

>> No.7277407

>>7277309
>>7276747
Its usually because they put imaging processing chips on bending ribbon cables. After thousands of heating and cooling cycles, they break.

>>7274946
The only reason I told this story here is because neither of them waste their time on this shit website and it seemed relevant to the topic.

>> No.7277439

You have so many monitor out there with less than 10 ms lag, what's even the point of the debate when the vast majority use their PC and a monitor when it comes to emulation ?