What happened to horror games after the PS2 era?

[Anonymous No.7003789]

It seemed like they all became action shlock like Dead Space or first person cringe like Amnesia

Where's the sense of foreboding?

[Anonymous No.7003817]

LCDs meant that the traditional style of dark environments no longer worked, and the horror of seeing something twitching in the corner of a screen is vastly diminished when you have perfect washed out clarity of it to begin with.

It's the same reason why horror died with the switch to DVD. What you can't really see is much more horrifying than what you can, especially when it's blatant CG or a shitty stop motion effect.

[Anonymous No.7003819]

>>7003789
The sucked really bad during the Ps2 era, and I feel sorry for anyone who grew up with that as their option. The relied on graphics, letting story and atmosphere falter.

[Anonymous No.7003830]

>>7003789
>first person cringe like Amnesia
don't talk shit if you never played it

[Anonymous No.7003841]

>>7003789
blame it on REmake that game was so horrible it flopped in both japan and the west this caused Capcom to change the formula and create RE4 which was the end of the traditional horror games and the start of action horror genre which dead space, the evil within and the rest of the modern horror games followed

[Anonymous No.7003846]

>>7003830
OH MY GOD, THIS SCRIPTED EVENT IS SO STARTLING. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW STARTLED I AM WHEN THE AI GETS CAUGHT ON A TABLE AND ISN'T NODED TO GO INTO THIS ROOM. OMG...

[Anonymous No.7003869]

>>7003846
The game does have bugs, but it's still scary. It's mostly because of the resource management, the environments, and how the enemies beat you to shit in like 2 hits. The puzzles are also pretty fun.
I actually think some FPS horrror games ly Amnesia: TDD, Cry of Fear, and Outlast 1 can be scarier than the PS1 RE games, just because of the darker environments, the enemy designs and how defenseless they make you feel.

[Anonymous No.7003871]

>>7003869
Ly should be like in the spoiler, i don't know how i even did that.

[Anonymous No.7003876]

>>7003819
You have a point about story but atmosphere??? Really nigga? 6th gen horror games don’t have atmosphere?

>>7003789
Taste changed. They either became more about action or they began to care more about stories and the narrative.

[Anonymous No.7003884]

>>7003830
>>7003869
Didn't shit like Soma introduce casual "no death difficulty" modes? Fuck games that aren't survival or horror

[Anonymous No.7003890]

>>7003884
I didn't talk about SOMA because i've never played it, so i don't really know.

[Anonymous No.7003907]

>>7003789
Siren is quite possibly the most frustrating as fuck game ever yet so expertly crafted in every regard. The sequel was even better. Even though I don't think I'll ever finish these games I would literally buy a PS5 just for a new Siren game.

[Anonymous No.7003917]

>>7003890
SOMA and Amnesia are the same game.

>N-n-no but different settings!

Still the same shitty game.

Meanwhile, Resident Evil and Dino Crisis feel like entirely different games despite being by the same company.

>>7003907
Bad take. PS3 Siren remake sucked. Leave the memories alone.

[Anonymous No.7003931]

>>7003917
What? No. Amnesia Is about the environments and atmosphere, the darkness, and the sanity meter. You're just talking shit because youtubers played it and you think that it's jsut "e-celeb trash or because they're recent games.

[Anonymous No.7003938]

>>7003931
>environments
The only decent thing about the game, and still outdone by Penumbra
>atmosphere
Practically doesn't exist when you realize all the threat comes from easily avoided scripted events.
>the darkness, and the sanity meter
Both gimmicks. The game isn't babbyshit because of Youtubers, Youtubers were attracted to the game because it's babbyshit.

[Anonymous No.7003991]

>>7003917
The remake doesn't count. I want Siren 3.

[Anonymous No.7004145]

Siren would be much better if it wasn't so obtuse. I had to look up a guide just to beat the first level, since I didn't know you have to poke every little tiny object to find things.

[Anonymous No.7004157]

Western developers happened.

[Anonymous No.7004174]

>>7003917
It's not a remake

[Anonymous No.7004273]

>>7004157
???
elab

[Them. No.7004283]

>>7003789
I see you haven't played Until Dawn.

[Anonymous No.7004296]

>>7003789
Here is what happened: people were sick of tank controls, calling any game using them during the PS2/GC era "dated".

So, the next gen made perfectly fine survival horror games without tank controls, such as Silent Hill Homecoming.

However, without the tank controls, people also complained, thinking that "tank controls" WAS the definition of 3rd person survival horror, completely disregarding all the other design elements.

So where does that leave you? First person games.

First person survival horror have ALWAYS existed and coexisted side by side with the 3rd person ones (tank controls or not), but when a gap was left by what I just explained, interest in them peaked; and games like Amnesia came out at the perfect time for that.

[Anonymous No.7004995]

>>7004174
It isn't? I thought it was. Some characters were replaced entirely with completely new ones and brand new characters exclusive to this game were introduced as well.

[Anonymous No.7005002]

>>7003869
>Outlast
i just thought this one was annoying amesia had a scarier setting for me

[Anonymous No.7005014]

>>7004145
Damn nigga, you dumb as shit.
I can understand needing a guide because I needed halfway through the game but needing a guide for the very first level? The first level is just you followng the priest bitch around. The fuck were you doing?

[Anonymous No.7005028]

>>7003817
I never considered this and now I'm pissed we have LCDs and don't use VHS lol.

[Anonymous No.7005035]

>>7003819
Fuck you dude. Fatal Frame was amazing.

[Anonymous No.7005038]

>>7003841
>being this much of a forced contrarian shithead
Who are you trying to impress here?

[Anonymous No.7005042]

>>7003817
I didn't know how much I really liked my OLED til I started playing horror games. Even Unity Amnesia/Slender clone shit is much scarier on it.

[Anonymous No.7005061]

>>7003907
I fucking love Siren and I appreciate all of the quality of life improvments that came with Siren 2, such as crouch walking, but I largely prefer the first game. For some reason I can't click with the majority of the cast from 2 except for the police officer and the two soldiers and I think the enemy designs are a lot weaker too. I really liked the bug aesthetic that some of the enemies take in the later levels in the first game. There's nothing like that in the second. I do like how they brought back Kyoya though.

[Anonymous No.7005084]

>>7005061
Me too. IIRC the first one just had the more interesting missions, like there was nothing in 2 as bananas as the little girl stuck in the Shibito family house, for example.

[Anonymous No.7005136]

Siren 2 sucked in terms of story, so if you liked S1 because of it then you're not missing much by not being a nip or yuropoor.

[Anonymous No.7005310]

>>7003789
not retro, but i liked Blood Curse better. especially that level where you play as a little girl stuck in a house with a zombie family.

[Anonymous No.7005419]

>>7005084
>bananas as the little girl stuck in the Shibito family house
Literally the most terrifying level in the history of gaming. Horror really picked with the PS2.

[Anonymous No.7005930]

>>7004273
only Japanese games are any good

[Anonymous No.7006094]

>>7005061
>>7003907
>>7003789
If Silent Hill 1 is my favorite of the franchise, will it match up to Siren in terms of tension and story? I assume this since it was made from veterans of the first SH, and not the other ones.

[Anonymous No.7006135]

>>7003819
The PS2 survival horror games didn’t have the best graphics typically lol

[Anonymous No.7006145]

>>7005014
No, the first level is finding some keys to get into the truck. I had no idea that items wouldn't be highlighted in any way, so I couldn't make any progress without finding out there were keys on the table. I haven't had much trouble since, but not knowing how closely you have to examine the environment to find things at first makes it impossible until you're aware of it.

[Anonymous No.7006218]

>ctrl + f
>no mention of Kuon

[Anonymous No.7006239]

>>7003789
Resident Evil 4 happened and killed off tank controls and fixed camera angles (the matter being especially important to achieving a sense of dread in games like RE and Silent Hill).

[Anonymous No.7006286]

>>7003931
I agree, Amnesia is actually a really good game, youtubers soiled its name due to contrarians but it's a really good horror game.

[Anonymous No.7006289]

>>7003789
Basically, dumb and lazy American zoomer kids were all like "What the shit? Dude, that's not cool. I wanna be a hero and shoot shit."

[Anonymous No.7007038]

>>7003841
I blame the Gamecube, selling remake on a console no one owned back then.

[Anonymous No.7007054]

>>7006094
It’s director is the guy who directed the first silent hill game and that’s it. If you go in expecting SH1 you’re gonna be sorry. It’s a whole another creature. Much better “story” but it’s told through a fragmented manner that some people hate. Definitely more tense if not the same as SH1.

[Anonymous No.7007367]

>>7003938
>and still outdone by Penumbra
I was going to write off this thread as being faggots shit talking games they never played but you're 100% right. Pnumbra was the only good horror game Frictional made. Amnesia's castle is really comfy though.

[Anonymous No.7007375]

>>7003817
>It's the same reason why horror died with the switch to DVD. What you can't really see is much more horrifying than what you can, especially when it's blatant CG or a shitty stop motion effect.
This is fucking retarded because people mostly saw those movies in the theater which was on giant reels the same quality or higher quality than DVDs. Movies like the Thing have special effects that are still yet to be topped to this day.

[Anonymous No.7007546]

>>7007375
>people mostly saw those movies in the theater
Sure, in the fucking 70s. The 80s was the domain of home video, and the horror genre in particular did very well on VHS, people really don't understand that practically nobody was spending 15 bucks a week at a cinema to watch a new movie, people watched them at home thanks to rentals.

Film degrades over time, and the copy you might've seen in the theater was a 5th generation conversion. While movies like The Thing do have fantastic effects, that's because they were practical instead of CG garbage. The remake actually had some great props, they just replaced them all in post thanks to some retarded exec.

[Anonymous No.7007549]

>>7006145
>I had no idea that items wouldn't be highlighted in any way,
the game changes camera to focus on the key it does this for all if not most key items in the game

[Anonymous No.7007579]

>>7006239
Re4 uses tank control tho.

[Anonymous No.7007585]

>>7006218
be the change you wanna see in the world anon and by that I mean pay e-celebs to shill it

[Anonymous No.7007791]

>>7004296
>Silent Hill Homecoming.
>perfectly fine

[Anonymous No.7007798]

>>7003817
>It's the same reason why horror died with the switch to DVD
Oh you poor, ignorant soul.
There has been a new wave of "dread-ridden" horror-movies that really sweep the board in terms of doing horror right in HD.
Alone, which came out this year was fucking brilliant. A story about a woman who recently lost her husband going on a getaway who then gets stalked and kidnapped.
It Follows was dripping with atmosphere and fear. A lot of people don't really dig on this movie but if you get wrapped into the lore, it's a creepy ride.
The Babadook was an excellent essay not only on loss and stress manifesting itself as an entity in one's life, but an awesome attempt at making just pure darkness scary without showing much of anything and how our loved ones can become the monster themselves.
The VVitch was one of the best horror movies I've seen in decades, if not one of the best movies period. The way it treats witches on a fundamental and natural level makes them seem so believable as an entity that could've existed in the fundamental era of Colonial America.

[Anonymous No.7007803]

>>7007798
and don't forget The Invisible Man starring Elisabeth Moss, a great take on sci-fi, abuse and home invasion.

[Anonymous No.7007817]

>>7007791
It has better survival mechanics than any other SH game. Most notably how few supplies there are and how fewer you can carry on you at all times; but also how deadly enemies are as some can OHKO you; fighting them is more dangerous, dodging them is also. Another example would be how it also implemented the "walk past enemies undetected" mechanic better than its prequels.

But no, no pre-rendered cameras with tank controls, therefore people claim it's a pure action game like RE4. Superficial idiots and their meme'd opinion is what killed the genre.

[Anonymous No.7007821]

>>7006218
I don't have the $1,000 to buy a copy and no PC good enough to emulate, otherwise I'd love to play it.

[Anonymous No.7007824]

>>7007798
The VVVVvvvitch is one of my favorite movies.
Black Phillip best antagonist goat

[Anonymous No.7007825]

>>7007798
>It Follows
>The Babadook
These were both literal garbage, so it's hard to take the rest of your post seriously.

[Anonymous No.7007828]

>>7007825
I guess that would put you in the critical minority, a place usually reserved for wrong and misguided opinions.

[Anonymous No.7007830]

>>7007828
So true buddy, marvel is the best thing to happen to movies in decades. Just look at those ticket sales!

[Anonymous No.7007834]

>>7007803
>>7007798
I'd throw in Annihilation which basically gave me everything I wanted from a deep sci-fi horror film. Exploration, fear, the unknown, Natalie Portman's ass.
All you need.

[Anonymous No.7007895]

>>7006135
Haunting Ground looked pretty good though

[Anonymous No.7007941]

>>7007817
The way you describe all this make it sounds like the game is indeed shit and tedious.
Also what about the puzzles ? What about the atmosphere ? What about the soundtrack ?

[Anonymous No.7008693]

>>7005038
>contrarian
everyone likes 4 and hates REmake so who's the contrarian classic nigger?

[Anonymous No.7008706]

>>7006135
the fuck you talking about? PS2 horror games had one of the best graphics on the system
Silent hill 3 and 4, Fatal Frame 3, Haunting Ground, Clock Tower 3, Siren 2....

[Anonymous No.7008732]

Horror-themed action games > survival/horror meme genre

This is indisputable.

[Anonymous No.7009353]

>>7003841

[Anonymous No.7009390]

>>7003789
>Siren is a Silent Hill game that takes place in rural Japan

convince me otherwise

[Anonymous No.7009406]

>>7009390
With even worse game design than SH, somehow.

[Anonymous No.7009415]

>>7009390
>Siren...t Hill?

[Anonymous No.7009442]

A T M O S P H E R E

[Anonymous No.7009457]

>>7007367
Overture was shite & Black Plague was fine but had annoying performance & design issues. Amnesia was a more accessible Black Plague, but it ruined the entire horror genre for a while since everyone decided to copy its questionable design choices.

[Anonymous No.7009520]

Alien Isolation is better than any retro horror game.

[Anonymous No.7009534]

>>7009520
>being this retarded
just beat that not to long ago and the whole experience was shit. the Ai alone was so broken It ruined the immersion. The whole gameplay style is reminiscent of slenderman games but even that was scarier than this titanic piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.7009730]

>>7005061
Every level being you navigating a maze of machine pistols, the SHIT garbage bag enemies and the completely lack of stand out moments like the school, hospital and house really made me dislike Siren 2. Definitely prefer the ps3 one to it.

Ps3 Siren haters had some really dumb takes they just regurgitated from shitty gaming journalists.
>it's episodic ewww
That's how the series has always been presented.
>it's Americanized!
Well the previous ones are supposed to be like a serialized tv show. It's not a stretch to make one that feels like a mini-series. The first two aren't slow burn Ju-On shit anyway.

The only actual negative is it's hard to play since it's digital only on the ps3, with framerate issues.

[Anonymous No.7009925]

>>7004174
Yes it is, it's the same story with a mostly American cast. Think of the American remake of Ju-On.

>>7005061
I actually liked the cast from S2, the only exception being Mamoru who sucked as a main character compared to Kyoya. I also agree the story didn't feel like it had as much thought put into it as the first game.

>>7005310
That level was in the original too though

>>7006094
The story is pretty similar, the usual evil cult mumbo-jumbo but the enemies aren't connected to the psyche of the characters. It's told in a non-linear fashion, and many story-important cutscenes are unlocked by finding well-hidden items in the game.

>>7009730
Blood Curse wasn't "bad" it just felt very watered down compared to the original. The gameplay was braindead easy and the split-screen low-framerate sightjacking was annoying as shit.

[Anonymous No.7010040]

>>7009730
I really enjoyed Blood Curse at the time of its release and I truly consider it to be a final hurrah from the survival horror genre in general, but I really hate what they did to sight jacking. How do you fuck that up? That part should be simple but they fucked it up. Why didn't they just keep it the same like in the first two, didn't they notice how sight jacking raped the framerate?

[Anonymous No.7010264]

>>7009442
K I N O

[Anonymous No.7010376]

>>7005930
Not retro.

[Anonymous No.7010417]

>>7009520
Alien Isolation owes a lot to retro horror though. Playing it was such a joy because it was just like sixth gen horror game

[Anonymous No.7010440]

>>7009520
I liked it better when it was called System Shock

[Anonymous No.7010447]

>>7007798

The first two acts of the Babadook was alright, but that fucking third act was garbage. I'll have to check out the other movies though,

[Anonymous No.7010459]

>>7010440
system shock 1 and 2 have aged like milk.

[Anonymous No.7010471]

Siren 1 & 2 are peak japanese horror games.

http://fftranslations.atspace.co.uk/games.html

For fans, A LOT of cool info about those games, since this site has the perfect guides translated.

[Anonymous No.7010478]

>>7008706
Even SH2 had pretty nice flashlight tech for the time with how the environment cast shadows.

[Anonymous No.7010578]

>>7010440
Alien isolation is nothing like system shock faggot

[Anonymous No.7011026]

>>7010447
The Babadook is the most overrated horror film of the last decade. The Witch, It Follows & Annihilation are all great tho

[Anonymous No.7011036]

I wish we got more stealth horror games like siren where you need to plan a route around patrolling enemies instead of hide in closet from invincible monster until he fucks off

[Anonymous No.7011091]

>>7010471
Good shit for Fatal Frame, too.

[Anonymous No.7011156]

>>7010471
Oh shit, NOW I understand the plot in Haunting Ground. I didn't even realize Daniella was kidnapped, I actually thought she was a homunculus.