Shmups

[Anonymous No.6817032]

>biplane
>jet
>bomber
>chopper
>spaceship
>flying person
>flying creature
>person riding flying creature
>etc
what do you prefer your toon to be in a shmup?

[Anonymous No.6817037]

>>6817032
spaceship

[Anonymous No.6817068]

little girl

[Anonymous No.6817095]

As long as it has plenty of Mayors, its all good.

[Anonymous No.6817128]

>>6817032
>no anti-jarpig manifesto in the OP

what's the point?

[Anonymous No.6817145]

>>6817032
Styx
Axelay
Rynex

[Anonymous No.6817157]

>>6817032
All about them space planes

[Anonymous No.6817229]

>>6817032
how many frames is this?

[Anonymous No.6817297]

[Anonymous No.6817338]

For me, it's fat bitches flying bikes

[Anonymous No.6817368]

>>6817338
>mfw the mmp girls

[Anonymous No.6817405]

Its not the Mayors I have trouble with, its the fucking towns leading up to them

[Anonymous No.6817406]

>>6817032
octopus :)

[Anonymous No.6817431]

>>6817406
:)

[Anonymous No.6817439]

>>6817032
The only one I don't really care for is helicopter if I'm being real

[Anonymous No.6817445]

>>6817439
What the FUCK is your problem??

[Anonymous No.6817473]

>>6817406
Cute tako =)

[Anonymous No.6817475]

https://streamable.com/b66u53

[Anonymous No.6817582]

>>6817032
Old gay carpetner

[Anonymous No.6817617]

>>6817582

[Anonymous No.6817870]

>>6817617
>some literallywho carpetner is a faggot
>famous inventor is lolicon
makes sense

[Anonymous No.6817893]

>>6817032
The ones shaped like a phallus

[Anonanon No.6817993]

>>6817032
One that looks like a hornet with a giant blue dick that will snatch your motherfucking birthday

[Anonymous No.6818001]

wot u grabbin?

[Anonymous No.6818035]

*ahem*
https://streamable.com/a3hh3d
I did it.
Now tell me why this was supposed to be good. I guess I can't call it boring, since it makes my blood pressure spike like a motherfucker, but it sure as fuck isn't fun.
Or am I nuts because my idea of a good time isn't struggling with slow-ass movement speed to hit tiny enemies that spawn in every corner of the screen and take poorly-telegraphed potshots at you?
I shudder to think of what would've happened if I hadn't realized how awful the other two weapons are.

[Anonymous No.6818036]

GameboyGuru has come to...

[Anonymous No.6818105]

I read some autofire, dadshit and 2hu debates on prev thread
What's the verdict?

[Anonymous No.6818112]

>>6818105
As usual, 2hy isn't as bad as shmupg likes to pretend it is
Dadshit is autism

[Anonymous No.6818124]

touhou is for pedos
>prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.6818131]

>>6818035
I guess the guy who wanted me to do this isn't around right now. Oh well.
I almost feel bad. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. I don't want to hate the game, he seemed to imply it was good, I just don't get it I guess.

[Anonymous No.6818146]

>>6818035
When it was on Calice tourney I had fun finding the route for it. Adrenaline rush most of the time of course and it felt good.

[Anonymous No.6818157]

>>6817032
Anything with a hitbox so small that a sizeable portion of said toon can pass through other objects, allowing me to literally cheat, as the developers originally intended. Bonus points if it's in a game some zoomers are struggling with. Watching them seethe and hearing their screams as as I completely own the game that's been ass raping them provides more satisfaction than 1CCing it.

[Anonymous No.6818160]

>>6818157
> toon
> small hitbox is cheating
> likes hearing people younger than him suffer
Shouldn't you be writing your will about now, gramps?

[Anonymous No.6818172]

>>6818146
Just adrenaline rush? I could get that out of games that feel less limiting and intentionally frustrating. I'm glad you like it though.

[Anonymous No.6818178]

>>6817993
Based

[Anonymous No.6818185]

>>6818035
is there always this much dead time between stages? boring

[Anonymous No.6818190]

>>6818185
It's like 25 seconds, that's nothing

[Anonymous No.6818209]

>>6818131
I think his point was more pretty bullets does not mean better nor harder.

[Anonymous No.6818213]

>>6818185
map a button to frameskip if you're that ADHD

[Anonymous No.6818218]

>>6818209
If it looked to anyone like I was just going by how pretty the bullets were then wow, we were having completely different conversations.

[Anonymous No.6818219]

>>6818218
I mean you were making it sound like only bosses and bullet patterns matter.

[Anonymous No.6818238]

>>6818219
I guess that makes a bit more sense. I didn't mean to imply those were the only things that mattered. Now can you explain why that stage design is considered good? Setting aside anything like "you're just bad and want it to be easier", is there something horribly wrong with my mindset or does my critique imply that I have taste and the game just doesn't fit it?

[Anonymous No.6818251]

>>6818238
>why stage design is considered good?
what does it mean by this?
Nothing like playing a game that looks and plays like shit.
>but the bosses
You have no taste and should just stick to boss rushes if that is all you want, but why shit on people who want a complete experiences in their games?

[Anonymous No.6818254]

>>6818238
Never played the game and I'm not the one you were originally arguing with. But I think the point was that level design and backgrounds make games more enjoyable unlike the bland repeating backgrounds and random enemy spawns of touhou.

[Anonymous No.6818272]

>>6818251
Why THAT stage design is considered good, anon. I understand why good stages have value, now what makes those stages good? Why pick out that game to "shit on Touhou" as he put it?
>>6818254
> bland repeating backgrounds and random enemy spawns of touhou
Those don't describe Touhou in the slightest. Not even in the earliest windows games were enemy spawns just random bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6818280]

>>6818272
I'm not saying the enemies spawns were random. I'm saying the way they come in the screen is boring. Instead of having tanks come into the screen on a road in the background, touhou just has faries fly in from the sides.

[Anonymous No.6818301]

>>6818272
because it makes for a complete gameplay experience. Again, if you like boss rushes then stick to your pedo trash. But to come on here and argue with people who want a complete experience for the money they put down makes no sense.
Sorry it sounds like you never got to experience the arcade in real life where your hard earned money was worth a damn before emulators came about

[Anonymous No.6818309]

>>6818280
So a literal visual detail is your reason for calling Touhou boring? It's not a gameplay thing at all, it's just a fucking visual thing?
You clearly don't object to flying enemies just showing up if there are also enemies that interact with the background. Have you looked at, say, stage 4 of touhou 10? Does that scratch your itch?

>>6818301
> because it makes for a complete gameplay experience
Anon. I UNDERSTAND THAT STAGES MAKE FOR A COMPLETE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE.
What makes the stage design of Same! Same! Same! good? Can you explain that or are you just going to imply that I asked why stages are good, again?

[Anonymous No.6818316]

>>6818272
Touhou enemy spawns are just generic segmented fairy formations without much overlap. They might as well be independent screens rather than levels, theres no flow, low amount of risk vs reward dynamics when it comes to enemy kills, no interplay between foreground and background, they dont even mix enemies effectively its total crap

[Anonymous No.6818320]

>>6818309
>So a literal visual detail is your reason for calling Touhou boring? It's not a gameplay thing at all, it's just a fucking visual thing?
Visuals are one of the most important parts of a game. I think the gameplay in touhou is okay but why would I settle for that when I can play games that look good and play good? Never played 10.

[Anonymous No.6818324]

>>6818309
I never played that game, so I can't tell you for it.

[Anonymous No.6818348]

>>6818316
At the very least the individual screens have more interesting dodging tactics than "move at a rough 90 degree angle to whatever mass of enemies you aren't going to be able to kill". Unlike the stage design that supposedly blows touhou out of the water.
>>6818320
> the gameplay in touhou is okay but why would I settle for that when I can play games that look good and play good?
Because there's more to looking good than having enemies show up in a well-explained way. How about patterns that actually look good instead of being rough-edged semicircular waves of flashing orange balls?
>>6818324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jpozCbWKIg

[Anonymous No.6818352]

>>6818348
>Because there's more to looking good than having enemies show up in a well-explained way. How about patterns that actually look good instead of being rough-edged semicircular waves of flashing orange balls?
Pretty bullet patterns can't make up for the awful background art, character art, enemy art. Also most importantly touhou music fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.6818359]

>>6818348
I meant this same same same. And I don't need to click on your link and risk jail for looking at pedo trash

[Anonymous No.6818361]

>>6818352
The background art is serviceable, the character art is unironically pretty shit but at least improving with each game, and the music is great you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.6818369]

>>6818359
You're on 4chan, if you were going to jail for looking at Touhou content then one of the banners would've done you in. Also, I literally posted a video of same same same, it's what spawned this conversation, are you legitimately retarded?

[Anonymous No.6818373]

>>6817068
Here she is.

[Anonymous No.6818383]

>awful endless cheap 3d background loop
>no ground enemies
>literally space invader copy (don't shoot and see how the waves come and going)
>chipmunk noise when fairies died
>lame dialogue before boss/midboss fight and can't even disable it
so what makes 2hu stage good again?

[Anonymous No.6818389]

>>6818348
Aint gonna see me defending move n shoot dadshit either. No one should be playing that crap or Touhou when Cave, Raizing and Psikyo exist

[Anonymous No.6818407]

>>6818389
Cave, all they do is remake the same game over and over with different girl art and thats it. Enjoy your game that requires no skill because your hit box is the size of a pixel

[Anonymous No.6818409]

Sci-fi Chopper for verts
Sci-fi jet for horis

[Anonymous No.6818415]

>>6818383
> background is unimportant, mostly there to provide contrast with bullets and provide context for location
> no ground enemies is not a downside for gameplay, it's literally just cosmetic, holy shit
> why is this a bad thing?
> objectively untrue
>>>>> he hasn't even bothered to verify his own claims
Anti 2hu faggots, everyone.

[Anonymous No.6818418]

>>6818407
This is a vintage clueless nonplayer dadshit post, didnt know they made them like this anymore

[Anonymous No.6818419]

>>6818407
DDP, Progear, MMP, Guwange, and Dangun are all the same game?

[Anonymous No.6818426]

>>6818389
Touhou is just cave-lite, though. It's like cave but for people who aren't ascended hermetic masochist NEETs yet.

[Anonymous No.6818429]

>>6818383
Theres a reason most people just jerk off to the porn rather than play the games.

[Anonymous No.6818431]

>>6818415
why don't you explain what's good about it then

[Anonymous No.6818445]

>>6818409
nice

[Anonymous No.6818449]

>>6818160
"Toon" is bullshit Gen-z talk

[Anonymous No.6818454]

>>6818160
No time for that. Too busy watching zoomers like you seethe.

[Anonymous No.6818458]

>>6818415
Ground enemies scroll downwards slowly with no collision damage and can be sealed so they tend to be an ever present threat unlike the more segmented rigid air formations. The games do not expect you to kill all enemies and they can come from just about anywhere on the screen, thus they make stages more dynamic.

[Anonymous No.6818467]

>>6818431
Okay.
> patterns that have unique and varied dodging tactics
> fun and natural progression of intensity and difficulty tied to the stage's music
> themed patterns combine with background and music to create one cohesive stage theme (again, I direct you to MoF stage 4... or SA stage 5, or DDC stage 4/5... there are a lot of good examples)

[Anonymous No.6818469]

>>6818309
>What makes the stage design of Same! Same! Same! good?
the popcorn enemies are actually interesting, unlike the shit you find in a 2hu or cave game.

[Anonymous No.6818474]

>>6818426
Touhou is Cave but not good

[Anonymous No.6818483]

>>6818469
> enemies that fire random high-speed potshots that can only be countered by constantly moving perpendicular to their line of sight are interesting
> patterns that you have to recognize and weave through are not
What am I reading?

[Anonymous No.6818487]

leave it to a failed Taito employee to ruin shoot em ups for the foreseeable future

[Anonymous No.6818492]

>>6818458
See, this is the first time anyone has put it like that, and when you say that, I guess I agree! But if it were between ground enemies and dadshit-tier dodging and air enemies only with actual good dodging, I'd have to go for the latter.

[Anonymous No.6818528]

>>6818361
Literally all wrong except for your admission that the character art is bad.

[Anonymous No.6818536]

>>6818449
people have been saying it for a long time in mmos i always thought it was annoying

[Anonymous No.6818537]

>>6818536
we always called them mayor slayers when I played mmos in 2005

[Anonymous No.6818570]

>>6818415
>>6818415
No backgrounds coupled with just flying enemies and very samey bosses makes touhou feel like I'm stuck in a claustrophobic blackbox for 30 minutes slowly micro-dodging non-descript bullet generators. Touhou gets the auto scroll all wrong, and becomes static as fuck. Touhou is like barebones alpha testing phase of an indie danmaku. Compare that with Deathsmiles or Futari and instantly you see why changing interactive environments, destructible objects and varied air and ground enemies and unique bosses add so much value to a shmup. To me movement and auto scroll and how you interact with enemies and the environment are very important in shmups to get a complete experience, but touhou gets that all wrong and makes me ask 'why play such a limited subgenre when better games exist?' and reduces everything to 1Dimensional micro dodging in a static, non descript stage the entire game. It's not hard to see why shmup players find that incomplete and boring relative to good shmups.

[Anonymous No.6818610]

To the 2poo advocate, boot up yer shmupmame or w/e and try Espgaluda. Then come back and try to tell me that isn't way more fun with a similar appeal.

[Anonymous No.6818617]

>>6818570
See, now that you're mentioning games that aren't total garbage on the patterns front, I think I can begin to understand your point. But even now that I'm starting to play games shmupg tells me are better I don't find myself growing to dislike Touhou. I can see that other games connect the enemies to the stage better, I can see why destructible objects add life to the game, but they don't add any gameplay value to me. When the gameplay itself is always going to come down to how fun it is to analyze and work through a pattern, I find myself enjoying, but ultimately not valuing too heavily, anything but the quality of the patterns.
To me, movement and autoscroll and enemy interaction is unimportant, beyond "how fast I can cross the screen vs. bullets and items", "does this create any sort of sense of movement or not", and "how fast does it die relative how dangerous its pattern is".

[Anonymous No.6818620]

>>6818610
MAME says the sound is "imperfect" on the latest version. Would you happen to know what/how much is fucked up? I'm open to giving it a fair shake, but I don't want a first impression ruined by MAME fuckery.

[Anonymous No.6818631]

whats the best way to overclock my sega for thunder force 4? The slowdown makes me feel like I am playing a shooter on snes

[Anonymous No.6818637]

>>6818631
play it on the sega shiturn, no slowdowns there

[Anonymous No.6818645]

>>6818617
You might personally be satisfied with the limits of touhou but I'm speaking generally, shmup players see those games as limited and dry versions of what they are used to. We have a lot of ex touhou players who got bored of the 2hu formula and jumped into deeper more mechanically rich games. The things I mentioned aren't just aesthetics but provide the player with different types of problems to solve, specially when scoring is taken into account, which makes for a more interesting and satisfying experience. That's all.

[Anonymous No.6818652]

>>6818620
>>6818610
Sounds mostly fine, if a bit muddy. Now I'm really curious what's meant to be wrong. Anyway, aside from not fully getting the mechanics (speaking of which, is there a manual somewhere that's translated?), it seems fun. Thanks for the recommendation anon.
>>6818645
I understand seeing that as limited. I certainly don't play just Touhou, least of all recently. I just don't understand the animosity and people claiming that it's total garbage. It's a bit dry and limited compared to some of what you guys have here but it's not "objectively bad" or whatever the fuck, you must admit.

[Anonymous No.6818678]

>>6818652
You can get the basics skimming around here.
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=134&hilit=espgALUda

[Anonymous No.6818681]

>>6818637
thanks for the tip. I did not know they had gold packs on the saturn for thunder force.

[Anonymous No.6818709]

>>6818678
Thanks. Though I am curious, MAME seems to be detecting a button four but the thread only mentions three buttons- any idea what that might be?

[Anonymous No.6818717]

>>6818709
Yeah that's just MAME for ya. There's indeed only three buttons despite what it thinks.

[Anonymous No.6818782]

I really like shmups but im extremely bad at them. I dont think i have ever beaten one...okay i have beaten Areo Fighters with a friend back in college. but thats it.

[Anonymous No.6818792]

>>6818782
ZeroRanger is a very good entry point relative its price and ridiculously high quality. Has a few meta elements but they're tasteful.

[Anonymous No.6818830]

redpill me on pazzy. why is he hated?

[Anonymous No.6819017]

>>6817617

[Anonymous No.6819046]

How do I into shmups? I'm trying to play Thunder Force II and its just annoying. Should I give Thunder Force IV a go? Or Aleste?

[Anonymous No.6819064]

>>6819046
Thunder Force 2 is rough around the edges and may not be the best place to start. Thunder Force 3 is often more widely-considered a good starting point for people into the genre, especially since it's easier than TF4.

The best way to into shmups is to find a game that looks interesting and start playing, honestly. If you're emulating you might also enjoy Steel Empire (pic related) since it has some nice steampunk graphics.

[Anonymous No.6819142]

>>6818830
because he STOLE the Danmaku Unlimited 3 world record from markmsx during his live demonstration and he will NOT reveal what secrets led to his insane, TAS-LIKE score!

[Anonymous No.6819252]

>>6817032
Humanlike spaceship, then again I really dig the entire cartoony art style FZ has.

[Anonymous No.6819292]

>>6819252
I dig Fantasy Zone as well

[Anonymous No.6819327]

https://youtu.be/E1uKC2ykEjA
>listening to this cunt try to say literally anything at all

[Anonymous No.6819347]

>>6818830
he's indian, high chance he took one too many shits in the street and police nabbed him

[Anonymous No.6819537]

>>6818467
fact is the music aren't good enough even touhou streams I watched replaced it mostly with anime song

[Anonymous No.6819558]

>>6819347
worst case corona prob got him

[Anonymous No.6819661]

games without patterns are so boring

>>6819327
if you want to see a real travesty watch the garegga one

[Anonymous No.6819734]

>>6818035
Hi
>since it makes my blood pressure spike like a motherfucker
Well you see, it isn't trivial and uneventful as it seemed while looking at it, right? That's what I wanted you to understand. If you don't like this that's cool, but others do enjoy this feeling.
I personally love the feeling of tightly dodging while Touhou tends to feel uneventful and boring.
For us it's not about reading slow bullets but the thrill of dodging fast stuff.

>>6818112
None of them are bad per se however the idea was to show the guy the merits of older shmups. Newer members tend to not get dadshit for a while if ever.
I think it's cool to dislike something, but with legit reasons to do so. First you gotta learn to form an informed opinion.
This guy for instance is still stuck thinking that shmups have to be readable to be good even though it's games you're gonna replay so memorization like that is trivial.

I know this is basic for many of you, but for the noobies:
Why is it bad to die the first time to something you couldn't see coming if it's a short game and you're gonna play it again regardless and thus know then? Stop obsessing over your first impression and instead think: is this shmup good and fun to replay? That's the mark of a good shmup.

[Anonymous No.6819742]

>>6817032
can't remember the name but there was one where you played as a Tank instead of the usual flying vehicle or creature, probably one of the more unique options I've ever seen in a SHMUP

also you forgot Mecha as an option OP, it's not super common but enough examples exist that it should be included

[Anonymous No.6819781]

Disembodied penis shooting coom into lolis

[Anonymous No.6819810]

>>6819734
I didn’t mean to imply it looked uneventful. I was trying to say it didn’t look like it was particularly interesting to dodge, and it really, really wasn’t. As I said, all it was was moving at a 90 degree angle to whatever cluster of enemies I couldn’t move my slow ass ship under before they started shooting.
It wasn’t exactly what I expected, but it wasn’t that far off the mark.
I got recommended Espgaluda later on in the thread and it’s exactly my style.

> implying shmups don’t have to be readable to be good
Suggesting that readability is bad or trivial or unimportant in *any other genre*, even ones that are replayed often like roguelikes and arcade puzzle games, would get you laughed out of the thread.

> Why is it bad to die the first time to something you couldn't see coming if it's a short game and you're gonna play it again regardless
Because developing skills that can apply to other scenarios within the game is significantly more fun than developing muscle memory that applies to a specific segment/stage/pattern. Most games are about developing skills as much as memorizing the situations to use those skills in, dadshmups seem to lean much more heavily on memorization and much less on universal skills beyond “don’t get hit”.

[Anonymous No.6819821]

>>6819810
stop playing games with pixel hit box and learn to enjoy a real challenge

[Anonymous No.6819835]

>>6817032
Pacifier

[Anonymous No.6819846]

>>6819821
Nonplayer.

[Anonymous No.6819874]

>>6819846
tranny cope. Dilate faggot

[Anonymous No.6819895]

>>6819874
But I'm not a tranny (yet)

[Anonymous No.6819926]

>>6819846
i bet i've put more time into playing shmups than you, danmakuck.

[Anonymous No.6819949]

>>6819926
And yet when put into a new one the only real tactic you have is creditfeeding and memorizing enemy placement.

[Anonymous No.6819960]

for me? it's gotta be raizing.

[Anonymous No.6819963]

>>6817037
spaceship. spaceships are cooler than planes, little girls, etc.

[Anonymous No.6819979]

>>6819960
For me, it's 8ing

[Anonymous No.6819986]

>>6819963
What about spaceships modeled after jets?

[Anonymous No.6820085]

>>6819810
Right you just have to understand we dadshit players love the thrill you felt. The game gets even more intense later, it's awesome. If you prefer slowly dodging bullets, that's fine. Just don't dismiss them as inferior, different appeal.
You'll probably enjoy Cave games better for the time being.
>Suggesting that readability is bad or trivial or unimportant in *any other genre*, even ones that are replayed often like roguelikes and arcade puzzle games, would get you laughed out of the thread.
It really is because if you're gonna play a game dozens, hundreds of times, learning something the first couple of playthroughs is not really important in the grand scheme of things. What matters is what's fun to replay for shmups.

Thanks to memorization you get the thrill of dodging very fast stuff that you can't get with other types of patterns. That's cool and valid.

[Anonymous No.6820170]

>>6819949
>creditfeeding
try that with Gradius 3

[Anonymous No.6820178]

>>6820170
>Gradius
weeb shit

[Anonymous No.6820190]

vic viper looks like THAT?

[Anonymous No.6820191]

>>6819986
That one is also fine

[Anonymous No.6820195]

>>6820178
That's Otomedius anon, Parodius' inbred sister.

[Anonymous No.6820196]

>>6820178
Otomedius is not Gradius. It's a soulless cash grab

[Anonymous No.6820197]

no wonder gradius is so based

[Anonymous No.6820218]

>>6820170
try that with any Gradius

[Anonymous No.6820225]

>>6819949
Memorizing is the first step, the fun in them (aside from figuring out the best strategies) is the fun of execution of subsequent attempts.
You'll learn this eventually if you continue playing shmups for a while.

[Anonymous No.6820230]

practicing is also fun because each stage is a puzzle you can tinker with

[Anonymous No.6820257]

How the hell do I get good at this?
I feel like there's something I'm missing
I get three levels in and go cross-eyed

[Anonymous No.6820262]

>>6820257
which game? stage 3+ is usually when you need to start routing, practice the level more carefully, then move on to 4, 5, etc

[Anonymous No.6820265]

>>6820257

[Anonymous No.6820268]

>>6820265
Learn a path, it's a memorization heavy game

[Anonymous No.6820272]

>>6820265
right stage 3 has a bunch of enemies you need to route against, and point black, the first couple of ships included.

You need to use your dragon shot A LOT, and effectively. Watch a replay for the character you are using, either a 1cc or 2-all. Stage 3 is when you need to start routing a path.

[Anonymous No.6820279]

>>6820230
to a point. but when you hit a wall and just can't get past it, the game feels like a chore. Gradius 2 was like that for me. I got tired of it after trying to beat it.

[Anonymous No.6820298]

>>6820279
you hit many walls in challenging games, the trick is to re-adjust and re-evaluate, you're doing something wrong so figure it out and change it. 1st loop of Gradius 2 is very doable

[Anonymous No.6820315]

>>6820272
Stage 3 can be four different ones though, MAME's default order thing can't be replicated on PCB for instance. To get the authentic experience just press F3 before playing.

[Anonymous No.6820316]

>>6820298
I hit walls in challenging games, but they don't usually take weeks to surpass. At that point it just gets boring.

[Anonymous No.6820389]

>>6818709
>>6818717
There's a 4th button, the full auto

[Anonymous No.6820398]

>>6820316
are you talking about the whole genre of shmups based on your experience of Gradius 2?
1st loop of gradius 2 isn't considered a challenging shmup...not sure what you were doing for weeks and weeks. And if that was too hard for you there are easier games to try. But it's not a genre where you invest low effort and get quick satisfaction like in the other games you play.

>i play challenging games but they don't take weeks
they aren't challenging, simple as that

[Anonymous No.6820421]

>>6820398
I've 1cc'd other shmups in the genre. The problem is one mistake fucks up your whole playthrough and any manner of things can go wrong in a single run, particularly that speed section or the final level, so it's annoying having to hit the fucking reset button because because you mess up in that speed section or a stray bullet hits you in the final stage.
>they aren't challenging, simple as that
You misquoted me. Why would you even do that?

[Anonymous No.6820429]

is zeroranger dad approved?

[Anonymous No.6820432]

>>6820421
>misquoted
explain.
how is the meaning different?

[Anonymous No.6820440]

>>6820178
>>6820190
That's Gradius for ultra weebs.

[Anonymous No.6820443]

>>6820429
No, warns you when stuff's not coming from the front, and it has cringe reference like Undertale

[Anonymous No.6820447]

>>6820440
Doesn't even play like gradius

[Anonymous No.6820786]

>>6818536
>i always thought it was annoying
>still hasn't figured out that's why people use it
wew lad

[Anonymous No.6820818]

>>6819142
Is there video?

[Anonymous No.6820868]

Parodius is my jam so pretty much anything can be a ship in my eyes.

[Anonymous No.6820931]

>>6820868
Based.

[Anonymous No.6820952]

>>6820931
She can carrot shot me any time.

[Anonymous No.6820991]

>>6820931
>>6820868
more

[Anonymous No.6821021]

>>6817145
>Axelay
Best game, space ship, ez choice

[Anonymous No.6821028]

>>6820991

[Anonymous No.6821029]

>>6817405
>mayors

What the shit are you fucking mongoloids on about now?

[Anonymous No.6821050]

>>6821028
why dont they make shmups like this anymore bros

[Anonymous No.6821061]

>>6821029
Comes from this thread >>6802939
Somebody mentioned that the Gradius 3 manual called end of level bosses "mayors", so now it's the hot new forced meme.

[Anonymous No.6821062]

>>6821050
The new audience are furfag trannies

[Anonymous No.6821113]

>>6820991

[Anonymous No.6821356]

>>6821113
God I wish Parodius got more quality fanart.

[Anonymous No.6821370]

>>6821050
Konami tried it again with Otomedius but it was cringe as hell and nowhere near as good as Parodius.

[Anonymous No.6821708]

>>6821370
that's too bad

[Anonymous No.6821731]

shikhondo is very bland!

[Anonymous No.6821784]

>>6821731
for real?

[Anonymous No.6822030]

>>6819661
>games without pattern
name 5.

[Anonymous No.6822063]

>>6819742
>can't remember the name but there was one where you played as a Tank
We were talking about tanks in shmups in the previous thread actually. Could it be
>guardian force
>assault
>granada
?

>also you forgot Mecha as an option OP
You're right lad, I knew I was forgetting something.

[Anonymous No.6822080]

[Anonymous No.6822106]

>>6820432
He said the walls doesn't take weeks, while your version said the games as a whole don't take weeks.

[Anonymous No.6822120]

I think shumps with tiny boomzones are stupid. Look at this shit. As far as I'm concerned the boomzone should cover the entire area of the toon and the game should be designed around that.

[Anonymous No.6822145]

>>6822120
But how will you have cool patterns then

[Anonymous No.6822146]

>>6821731
Damn shame. The art and music was so cool, I was hoping it was 2poo but executed well like Exceed 3rd. Instead it really was just 2poo. This and Eschatos are the only two shmups I ever refunded on the sickgrab store.

[Anonymous No.6822153]

>>6822080
Based.

[Anonymous No.6822190]

>>6822120
Bullet hell with big hitboxes would feel awkward, even in dadshit the hitboxes were significantly smaller than the ships to prevent cheap feeling bs

[Anonymous No.6822319]

>>6818105
They're just mad Touhou is more popular than what they like, and need to confirm their "elite" taste by bashing whatever is popular. It happens in literately every genre and medium in existence.

[Anonymous No.6822321]

>>6822319
poohoo is shit

[Anonymous No.6822332]

>>6822321
b-b-b-b-BASED???

[Anonymous No.6822382]

for me, as a genderfluid pansexual otherkin, it's touhou.

[Anonymous No.6822496]

>>6819064
>Steel Empire
it's on Steam tho

[Anonymous No.6822636]

>>6822106
How many walls? 3, 9, 13? Bad wording.
Being stuck for weeks on walls (how many) in gradious 2? He doesn't know Wtf he's doing, plain and simple, back to Mario rpg

[Anonymous No.6822685]

friendly reminder that was right about progression systems
>tfw nearly 12% have played for more than an entire day straight
>tfw you know damn well it's either jarpigs, warpigs, or MMOs, all easy non-games where you spend hours grinding for muh xp and loot

[Anonymous No.6822695]

>>6822685
*that ricky was right

[Anonymous No.6822721]

>>6822685
Buzzy? Give it a rest you retard

[Anonymous No.6822829]

>>6818124
I like anime. My first shmup was 2hu because it is the most popular in anime and doujin circles. I keep playing it because the gameplay, graphics/colors and ost are fun. I skip all the story and ZUN can't draw girls for shit and they always have a diaper in their heads. I also stopped enjoying lolis once I started going to the gym, probably because of the raise in testosterone. I now crave big milkers (and 2hu has some).

[Anonymous No.6822894]

>>6822685
>he's not playing Fate in one playthrough
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6822907]

>>6822721
Buzzy did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.6823008]

>>6822685
when i die i'm not going to wish i'd slept more
i'm going to wish i played even more video games
these fine people are braver than any troop

[Anonymous No.6823063]

For me, it's Sisters Royale.

[Anonymous No.6823069]

>>6820786
i dont care why people say it i was just letting him know it was said for a long time

[Anonymous No.6823080]

>>6823063
based.

[Anonymous No.6823134]

>game mocks you for even considering the median difficulty
Was it based?

[Anonymous No.6823386]

>>6823063
clast stop using vlc

[Anonymous No.6823395]

>>6823386
> stop using the best open source video software ever developed

okay retard

[Anonymous No.6823398]

>>6823395
epic... simply EPIC...

[Anonymous No.6823406]

>>6823395
that would be mpv my friend

[Anonymous No.6823407]

>day off
>too tired to play shmups effectively again despite the fact I allowed myself to sleep in for once explicitly for this reason
Getting embarrassingly BTFO in everything I try today.

[Anonymous No.6823410]

>>6822636
Oh get over yourself. I can tell you get off the sniff of your own farts.

[Anonymous No.6823413]

>>6823407
sleeping more can make you even more tired

[Anonymous No.6823424]

>>6821021
Based Connoisseur

[Anonymous No.6823428]

>>6823424
One of the best shmups on SNES I'd say.

[Anonymous No.6823429]

>>6823410
back to alf

[Anonymous No.6823437]

>>6823428
doesn't say much, not much competition in that jarpig console

[Anonymous No.6823438]

>>6823429
Back to jacking your micro penis off you limp wristed autist.

[Anonymous No.6823445]

>>6823437
>jarpig
stop

[Anonymous No.6823448]

>>6823438
>>6823445
seething

[Anonymous No.6823452]

>>6823445
get back in your fucking jar

[Anonymous No.6823463]

>noooOOO don't point out that the snes is a slowdown-ridden system with barely any shmups and a shitload of RPGs

[Anonymous No.6823484]

the gap keeps widening actually

[Anonymous No.6823550]

recommend games that would appeal to those who side with the turks

[Anonymous No.6823575]

>>6823550
Guwange, Ikaruga, Psyvariar, Gun Frontier, R-Type Final, Strikers 1945

[Anonymous No.6823584]

>>6823550
>>6823575
Also CCWI

[Anonymous No.6823830]

>>6822120
Do you mean "hitbox" you retard? You know, the box where you get hit. Because that's the term that applies to all games, even ones where it isn't you going boom.

[Anonymous No.6823840]

>>6823830
enough fallen for the bait

[Anonymous No.6823862]

>>6823830
We were calling it boomzone before you were born

[Anonymous No.6823875]

why did they have to make the weapons selection in dogyuun such dogshit?

>two shitty lasers, both leave you vulnerable while the lasers are off fucking about
>a blue beam that leaves you vulnerable to getting flanked
>green shot is basically useless

ruins an otherwise decent shooter.

[Anonymous No.6823902]

>>6823875
They're not that bad. The red laser has a fast rate of fire so it seldom leaves you vulnerable. The pink laser does but it's really good vs bosses. Blue weapon would have that issue but you can pair it with the dash module and suddenly you can cover a lot of ground. I agree that the green shot is kinda bad but it has some uses.

[Anonymous No.6824376]

>>6823830
>bullet hits the zone
>ship goes boom
Yep it's a boomzone

[Anonymous No.6824379]

how do you guys play your shmups?
i just use a controller, analog stick for most movement but sometimes i switch to the dpad for no real reason

[Anonymous No.6824385]

>>6824379
controller dpad

[Anonymous No.6824395]

>>6824379
Uhhh, why aren't you playing these games with an arcade paddle?

[Anonymous No.6824397]

>>6824379
Keyboard

[Anonymous No.6824409]

>>6824397
I remember when that channel failed because he brought on some chick who didn't know anything about games.

[Anonymous No.6824678]

>>6823840
kek

[Anonymous No.6824697]

>>6817032
>>6817068
A loli

[Anonymous No.6824704]

>>6821050
SJWs including christian shit ruined everything.

[Anonymous No.6824708]

>>6821050
>>6824704
because shmups are fucking dead you retards

[Anonymous No.6824714]

>>6824708
2hus is alive.

[Anonymous No.6824715]

>>6824704
KRAUT?

[Anonymous No.6824723]

>>6824714
this is all indieshit and genre not being touched by the big boys in decades means it's fucking dead.

[Anonymous No.6824842]

>>6824723
Ikaruga 2 will save shumps.

[Anonymous No.6824850]

>>6824842
>indieshit

[Anonymous No.6824861]

finally tried hellsinker
don't think i'll be touching that one again

[Anonymous No.6824873]

>>6821029
It's a meme being force by one idiot. Same for the "boomzone" and "toon" shit.
Probably the same faggot starting the Mario Sunshine threads and who used to mention DUAL ORB II all the time

[Anonymous No.6824919]

>>6824873
>dual orb ii
take your jarpig talk some place else. This is for shootie shootie dodge and boomies

[Anonymous No.6824926]

>>6817032
Why haven’t they made a Metroid shmup piloting Samus’ ship?

[Anonymous No.6825018]

>>6824861
what you didn't like about it

[Anonymous No.6825161]

>>6817032
Nothing beats Flying Pancake.

[Anonymous No.6825346]

>>6825161
i prefer mid-tier ships, they are better balanced and not overpowered

[Anonymous No.6825474]

>>6824723
Corporate boot licking at its finest.

>Those other companies just don't get it. Buy only at the Nintendo e-shop™, for the finest games. To buy third-party, is to buy into piracy.

[Anonymous No.6825481]

>>6822685
Literately no one cares about whatever obscure series you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.6825653]

>>6817032
What is this from? Those sprites are gorgeous

[Anonymous No.6825673]

Imagine preferring vertical shmups LMAO

[Anonymous No.6825681]

>>6818782
Try Harmful Park

[Anonymous No.6825691]

shmups with interesting level design and varied enemies > bullet hells

[Anonymous No.6825692]

>>6825653
Hi tourist
DoDonPachi

[Anonymous No.6825694]

>>6825673
>>6825691
Vertical dadshit = pic related

[Anonymous No.6825701]

>>6825673
I suck at R-Type no matter how much I play

[Anonymous No.6825706]

>>6825701
Which ones have you played?

R-Type is definitely not easy, so don't feel bad for sucking.

[Anonymous No.6825714]

>>6825701
try to learn the game instead of reacting mindlessly every attempt

[Anonymous No.6825726]

>>6825018
tutorial was really bad
too many mechanics
just let me shoot shit

[Anonymous No.6825742]

>>6825706
First game, Arcade and on the TurboGrafx-16

[Anonymous No.6825796]

>>6825691
Bullet hells > bullet hells? I don't get it, unless you mean arcade bullet hells > Touhoushit

[Anonymous No.6825820]

>>6817993
That is called garbage

[Anonymous No.6825895]

welcome back kbt, miss you much

[Anonymous No.6825910]

>>6825673

[Anonymous No.6825919]

>>6825694
Based

[Anonymous No.6825926]

>>6824714
2poo sucks m8, and even 2hoefags admit that the latter games are shit

[Anonymous No.6825940]

>>6825910
this

[Anonymous No.6825964]

Girl planes please, yes go light on the clothes.

[Anonymous No.6825991]

>>6825964
cornball

[Anonymous No.6825997]

Duh

[Anonymous No.6826067]

>>6825910
based vertizontal shmupper

[Anonymous No.6826075]

>>6817297
parodious FUCKING D-A

[Anonymous No.6826367]

What was your latest clear or high score, /vr/? Do you have the screenshot or, better yet, replay? Talk about it.
You DO play shmups, right?

[Anonymous No.6826383]

>>6825673
nice horizontal resolution nintenshits.

[Anonymous No.6826386]

>>6825796
based

[Anonymous No.6826393]

>>6825910
This is why Silver Surfer is the best shmup

[Anonymous No.6826397]

>>6826393
https://streamable.com/5bk2kb

[Anonymous No.6826406]

>>6825673
Those 2 extra px in length really make the difference.
>>6825691
Newfag trying to fit in.

[Anonymous No.6826412]

>>6817032
best retro shmup is crysis.

[Anonymous No.6826446]

[Anonymous No.6826474]

>>6826446

[Anonymous No.6826476]

>>6826367
we need to revive stg archive
and update the spreadsheet
fooking miserable community and cursed genre

[Anonymous No.6826480]

>>6826476
people ITT are allergic to playing shmups and jump at you when you suggest to do so or share replays so...

[Anonymous No.6826540]

>>6826367
based Shmupman

[Anonymous No.6826557]

>>6826540
Amen brutha

[Anonymous No.6826559]

>>6825997
Is Sexy Parodius the best Parodius? The mission structure makes it feel unique from just about every shmup and I really dig it.

[Anonymous No.6826589]

>>6826559
yes

[Anonymous No.6826641]

>>6826476
>revive stg archive
not possible since pazzy's gone

>update the spreadsheet
people didn't really used it back in the days

>fooking miserable community and cursed genre
true, but 4channel is solely for shitposts. if you want activity go on twitch or something

[Anonymous No.6826743]

>>6826641
> 4channel is solely for shitposts. if you want activity go on twitch or something
Go back to your own website.

[Anonymous No.6826817]

>>6826641
>4channel is solely for shitposts.
not soley, there was a quality post recently by a Garegga player.

[Anonymous No.6826836]

>>6826743
I never used reddit, go back to /v/ you fag

[Anonymous No.6826975]

>>6826817
>Garegga player
>gave basic advice
>no replays posted

[Anonymous No.6826980]

>>6826559
I don't care for the mission structure, because you have to skip the based Castlevania level if you want a good score.

[Anonymous No.6827010]

>>6826975
it was useful advice to be fair

>replays
sharing replays is part of joining a community and losing your anonymity, both things that guy said to avoid.

[Anonymous No.6827034]

>>6827010
Useful only if you're completely new and clueless.
The point is, anyone that has been around for a bit could have given that advice. I don't buy for a second that guy was a player. "not sharing" is more often than not an excuse to larp as a player while not really playing, and less experienced people will buy it.
Think about it, why was that guy posting in the first place if he doesn't care about "communities"?
Pure larping.

[Anonymous No.6827053]

>>6827034
>why was that guy posting in the first place if he doesn't care about "communities"?
I don't know but he was anonymous

[Anonymous No.6827062]

>>6827010
He was against 1cc collecting, that invalidated his entire post.

[Anonymous No.6827141]

>>6826975
how do i bomb the mansion at the beginning of stage 2 to get the most bonus points

[Anonymous No.6827151]

>>6827062
>He was against 1cc collecting
because he was explaining how to get good and that involves more than being a collector

[Anonymous No.6827161]

>>6827141
I'm not a Garegga player though that part is notorious for being luck-based even if you know what to do. The resets...

[Anonymous No.6827176]

>switch from analog stick to keyboard
>switch character
>start sucking shit even more at gunbird
I will never get the 1CC even on first loop

[Anonymous No.6827180]

>>6827151
You can be good at shmups without becoming a full-blown autistic scoretranny that's obsessed over one game, though.

[Anonymous No.6827189]

>>6827176
play as Marion (if autofire) or Yuan Nang (if no autofire) for the easiest clear

[Anonymous No.6827191]

>>6827176
Based fellow kusoplayer.

[Anonymous No.6827216]

>>6827189
I was playing Valnus and I figured out his strong charged shot was not enough to compensate for shit speed so I switched to Marion.
Not planning to use autofire probably ever, it's whack

[Anonymous No.6827226]

>>6822685
>MMO bad
Why? Any genre can be a big time sink if you let it and get fixated on a goal.
shmups are not much different when you start having your eyes on a certain goal that is hard to attain, the game makes sure you won't reach it unless the shmup Gods and their RNG is in your favor. PLUS it forces you to play easy stages every time you try, before things get any serious. This gives the same feeling as grinding in mmos. It's wasting your time, relying on your addiction + motivation for a goal for you to accept wasting that time.

When I had goals to get far in loop 2 in DDP I felt bored doing the first 4 stages over and over. Once I was mid-range in stage 5 I would start to think okay now the run is starting.

[Anonymous No.6827232]

>>6827226
>>MMO bad
>Why?
Gross.

[Anonymous No.6827239]

>>6827216
Yuan Nang is better then with her strong and useful charged attack that makes your right side invincible during it. Marion's strengths lie in being able to quick-kill stuff with autofire.
Valnus is alright but requires more precise routing and execution.

[Anonymous No.6827256]

>>6827239
Yang nang charged feels like cheating =\

[Anonymous No.6827257]

>>6827180
>You can be good at shmups without becoming a full-blown autistic scoretranny that's obsessed over one game
Do you know what post we're talking about? you won't become an autist doing what he said.

[Anonymous No.6827259]

>>6827226
Meanwhile, the shmups community struggles to have people play the games period while they play MMORPGs for thousands of hours

[Anonymous No.6827269]

>>6827256
>not using autofire
>not using a character
>likely not using practice methods and just going for full attempts
Well yeah now I see why you're struggling lol Good luck regardless

[Anonymous No.6827273]

>>6827180
You can't git gud without commitment, you can still do the shitter 1cc collector thing on the side

[Anonymous No.6827285]

It's kinda funny seeing people shit on 1cc collectors, you're a bit out of touch. The current community (with a few exceptions) struggles to beat anything that's not a Novice mode, and drops games after reaching stages 2 or 3. Standards have lowered a lot over the past few years.
What I mean is that you're calling a particular type of player that's way above the current average a casual. Gotta readjust to today's reality.

[Anonymous No.6827287]

>>6827259
>the shmups community
the idea of a shmup community is stupid since they are single player games and the popular ones have 1 to 2 english speakers playing the same game at the same time. The less popular ones are 0 - 1.

[Anonymous No.6827294]

>>6827287
You're right. Tell that to the larper Discord servers though

[Anonymous No.6827295]

>>6827273
this is correct.

[Anonymous No.6827296]

>>6817032
there's only one shmup worth playing and it's raiden.

[Anonymous No.6827319]

>>6827273
It takes gitting gud to do the 1cc. Again, scoring is just autism.

[Anonymous No.6827326]

>>6827285
Gotta plan our time around MMO raids

[Anonymous No.6827339]

>>6827319
So by "good at shmups" you meant dadflailing your way to a shitty clear? Lol

[Anonymous No.6827349]

>>6827269
whats wrong with not using autofire?

[Anonymous No.6827352]

>>6827326
based tranny mod

>>6827339
>1cc
>dadflailing
lol

[Anonymous No.6827356]

>>6827349
Nothing wrong just makes it harder, I get the feeling he's playing a port that includes such a button too.
The guy is making it harder for himself.

[Anonymous No.6827358]

>>6827352
why do you always post about trannies?

[Anonymous No.6827362]

Would Killzone Liberation be considered a shoot em up? I wanna find more games that have a similar play style with the same camera angle and all.

[Anonymous No.6827368]

>>6827358
He's specifically talking about a tranny mod of a shmup server that seldom plays shmups but has "raid obligations" with over 5k hours in FFXIV
It's not an obsession, it's real

[Anonymous No.6827372]

>>6827352
That's right. You're the danmaku hating dadshit "player" aren't you, that's too rich

[Anonymous No.6827373]

>>6827358
he's trying to make himself believe that he's not trans. no one talks about gay sex more than homophobes, ya know.

[Anonymous No.6827374]

>>6827372
Nah bullet hells are fine
You can't flail your way through hard 1ccs though

[Anonymous No.6827375]

>>6827368
that makes sense and all, but why does he post about them in other threads too?

[Anonymous No.6827380]

>>6827374
1cc collectors don't get hard 1cc's, they stay around a comfortable mid range

[Anonymous No.6827383]

>>6827375
Dunno the topic was nonplayers/shitplayers

[Anonymous No.6827392]

>>6827362
can you 1cc it? does it auto-scroll? can you shoot and dodge? if yes then it's a shmup.

>>6827285
>It's kinda funny seeing people shit on 1cc collectors, you're a bit out of touch.
The point wasn't to shit on them, the original point was to explain how to get good and that involves going beyond collecting shitter clears. Calling score players autistic trannies is insecure cope.

>The current community
being better than absolute trash doesn't make you good though

[Anonymous No.6827393]

>>6827380
That's oddly specific. But even then you can't flail your way through those
You can only blind clear Novice modes or very easy games like Batsugun Special's first loop

[Anonymous No.6827398]

>>6827380
m8 even an "easy" 1cc is still hard for me.

[Anonymous No.6827406]

>>6827392
You sound like a big deal, what are your scores?

[Anonymous No.6827408]

>>6827296
You know what this post reminds me of?.... RAIDEN!

[Anonymous No.6827412]

>>6827393
>player posts a 1-ALL where they finish with no resources left after making mistakes and clearly having no routes or bad inconsistent routes for parts of stages or boss fights
>not flailing

[Anonymous No.6827426]

>>6827412
>sarcastic shmup poster
>not flailing
thanks for playing idiot

[Anonymous No.6827427]

>>6827408
based and hiddengemspilled

[Anonymous No.6827428]

>>6826980
Ah, I only play for scrubby survival clears so I hadn't thought about that. Especially since iirc Sexy Parodius doesn't loop (first Konami gradius-a-like to not loop?).

[Anonymous No.6827439]

A shit clear is a poorly optimized clear where you use all your bombs, lose most of your extends and generally don't know wtf is going on beyond a few key choke points.

If you think collecting those is fun and rewarding after 3 months of playing shmups, good for you, have fun, but you're never gonna get good doing that.

[Anonymous No.6827442]

>>6827412
this happens more in easier bullet hells, try dadshit, even easier games rely on routing well, if you die once you're fucked unless you also know the specific recovery
R-Type is an easy 1-all but you ain't clearing it with lots of flailing like you can with say DDP 1-all

[Anonymous No.6827443]

>>6827439
then i'll never be crowned royal shmup master!

[Anonymous No.6827448]

Zero Gunner 2 is the best Dreamcast/Naomi shmup, change my mind.

[Anonymous No.6827449]

>>6827442
>try dadshit

[Anonymous No.6827450]

>>6827356
I'm the guy tho, I just spam the button and switch to hold when I need CH, how is that harder?

[Anonymous No.6827458]

>>6827450
It may not seem that way but an autofire button is actually stronger, particulatly if you're close to enemies.

[Anonymous No.6827461]

>>6827428
>(first Konami gradius-a-like to not loop?).
Gokujou Parodius doesn't loop either.
They kinda make up for it by having an extremely hard extra stage, though.

[Anonymous No.6827469]

>>6827449
Dadshit isn't söy, you're thinking of Caveshit.

[Anonymous No.6827472]

>>6827439
I happen to enjoy optimizing survival routes and play, particulatly in games that have shit/broken scoring but that are fun to play for survival.
I tend to not be good at flailing so I do this naturally when I attempt to clear to maximize consistency.
Honestly, people relying on flailing too much is one of the reasons the westie scene sucks so hard, even trying to get basic clears.

[Anonymous No.6827478]

>>6827439
>try the genre
>no, I mean REALLY try, you have to 1cc the game
>no, not like that, you have to 1cc the -right- way!

[Anonymous No.6827485]

>>6827469
Dadshit is the epitome of söyboy trash, look at all the out of shape balding slobs posting their sick grabs

[Anonymous No.6827495]

>>6827472
A good survival player should be able to complete some hard 2-alls, like r-type 2 or Image fight, something around that difficulty.

[Anonymous No.6827501]

>>6827485
Do not ever again associate sickgrabbers with BASED dadshit players, cavetranny
https://twitter.com/rum_stg/status/1301295277501022208

[Anonymous No.6827506]

>>6827478
Nothing wrong with pointing out that sloppy players ain't good cuz that's the truth

[Anonymous No.6827508]

>>6827495
Agreed, it kinda naturally comes over time.

[Anonymous No.6827510]

>>6827478
>clears Gekirindan and DFK novice mode
>Identifies as a "good player''
skill isn't a pronoun you can appropriate, dumbass, you have to earn it

[Anonymous No.6827518]

>>6827501
That your boyfriend faggot? There's a reason dadshit "players" bitch about autofire and the like, it devalues the grab. Think about it

[Anonymous No.6827523]

imagine getting this upset over how other people play a mostly dead arcade genre

[Anonymous No.6827530]

>>6827510
very true

[Anonymous No.6827531]

>>6827523
It's just nonplayers with nothing better to do
Notice they don't post their replays

[Anonymous No.6827550]

>>6827510
>Gekirindan and DFK novice
>midrange
>not super easy and thus your argument fails
nigga not even regular DFK 1-all approaches midrange kek

[Anonymous No.6827568]

>>6827550
>mid range
who said mid-range? the quote said ''try the genre'' ''no not like that!'' now you're making up shit to back peddle your mistake

[Anonymous No.6827569]

[Anonymous No.6827572]

>>6827568
It was an earlier argument, if you're not the same person forget it then

[Anonymous No.6827583]

>>6827458
I tried using autofire button in Mame but it simply doesn't work

[Anonymous No.6827586]

>>6827583
If it's a recent version go to the plugins section and activate autofire plugin

[Anonymous No.6827589]

>>6827572
either way the original topic was about getting good, and doing mid-range kuso clears doesn't make you good. No one is saying how you should play or have fun, that's not the point, but if there comes a time where you ''want to get good'' then there are certain commitments you have to make and goals to attain that go beyond average/mid-tier shitter clears.

[Anonymous No.6827595]

>>6827589
The original debate was that the guy said that even midrange clears can be achieved by flailing which is wrong

[Anonymous No.6827621]

>>6827595
That's just splitting hairs over wording whilst ignoring the larger point

[Anonymous No.6827632]

>>6827586
It's a shmupmame version, it has autofire settings in game but they are not working

[Anonymous No.6827634]

>>6827621
m8 to say you can flail through a mid-tier 1-all instead of just the lowest of the low like Batsugun Special is kind of a massive difference.

[Anonymous No.6827637]

>>6827595
mid range Cave clears allow for a lot of flailing, they don't need strict routing start to finish like a Psikyo game would

[Anonymous No.6827639]

>>6827586
>>6827632
nvm didn't notice there are several lines for the same button, had to enable them all

[Anonymous No.6827643]

>>6827634
no one said that, you assumed that post was someone else.

And people have flailed through DDP blind cleared it and Esprade btw, on their first credit

[Anonymous No.6827657]

>>6827639
You also have to set up the button to a different button to where your hold button is. good luck anon

>>6827643
can't do that in Psikyo

[Anonymous No.6827658]

>>6827634
You can describe it as you want, kusoclear of a midtier game is still far away from being good

[Anonymous No.6827667]

Will any of you big boys post your scores

[Anonymous No.6827668]

>>6827658
Oh yeah? Well a kuso WR of a hightier game is still far from being good too.

[Anonymous No.6827680]

>>6827668
Name a hightier game with a WR as easy to get as the average midtier kusoclear

[Anonymous No.6827685]

>>6827680
Doesn't matter, it's still far from being good.

[Anonymous No.6827694]

>>6827657
>have to set up the button to a different button to where your hold button is

[Anonymous No.6827701]

>>6827685
Nice try but getting a wr level score in any notable hightier game makes one good. You'll be hard pressed to find good games that some japs haven't optimized already which is why you're avoiding that discussion entirely.

[Anonymous No.6827704]

>>6827701
Nah, still far from being good.

[Anonymous No.6827707]

>>6827701
Post your high tier WRs larpig

[Anonymous No.6827708]

There is nothing you can do in a shmup that is even close to good.

[Anonymous No.6827710]

Reminder that playing any non-Squaresoft jarpig makes you söý

[Anonymous No.6827716]

>>6827707
>calls others larpigs
>hasn't posted his own high tier replays
What the FUCK did he mean by this, lads

[Anonymous No.6827719]

>>6827449
>>6827296
I tried raiden its bullshit. Good luck beating that without having super reflexes.

[Anonymous No.6827735]

why play anything when jaimers could beat you if he wanted

[Anonymous No.6827742]

>>6827716
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/629380701
Your turn to post something better, larpig

>>6827719
>Raiden
>reflexes
based retard

[Anonymous No.6827743]

>>6827708
This. You have to be a Jap if you wanna be good at shmups, no point in trying if you aren't one.

[Anonymous No.6827748]

>>6827742
Ricardo, the (in)famous Strikers 1945 cheater? Going to have to post something more authentic than that I'm afraid

[Anonymous No.6827752]

>>6827748
nonplayer cope

[Anonymous No.6827759]

>>6827752
english-only player cope

[Anonymous No.6827762]

>>6827748
Who are you exactly? Spamming this accusation
so often?
Why u hiding

[Anonymous No.6827768]

>>6827748
Lying isn't cheat. Try again.

[Anonymous No.6827783]

>>6827768
>lied
>got called out
>kept doubling down and digging his hole deeper
>continued lying despite everything
>still denies that he lied
If you trust his replay you're dumb as fuck, mate

[Anonymous No.6827792]

>>6827783
OK jarpig now post your replay
and I mean shmup replay not MMO raid replay

[Anonymous No.6827796]

>>6827792
EL RISITAS

[Anonymous No.6827797]

>>6827783
fuck you bitch

[Anonymous No.6827851]

Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6NGIsezok

[Anonymous No.6827853]

>>6827657
>>6827694
do you mean use toggle settings and not just ON?

[Anonymous No.6827878]

>>6827853
I just mean that if you create an autofire button and put it where the normal button is, it will not be autofire, holding takes precedent.
It has to be
button 1 hold, button 2 bomb, button 3 auto

[Anonymous No.6827884]

Just so you know what type of person we're dealing with here:
It's the type of shitplayers that in order to not feel as bad about himself he shits on what others have achieved, which may not be WRs but is still stuff that's way above what he has achieved. If everyone's shit, he's not so shit in comparison.

[Anonymous No.6827895]

>>6827878
Are you saying autofire button does not require you to hold it and just press once?

[Anonymous No.6827903]

>>6827895
No, it's just what happens if you configure it so that your normal button and the autofire button are in the same button in your controller, the normal button cancels out the autofire

[Anonymous No.6827912]

>>6825673
just rotate the monitor, lmao

[Anonymous No.6827914]

>>6827903
there is an autofire switch button which lets you to disable/enable it

[Anonymous No.6827951]

>>6827914
however it may fuck up your ability to charge

[Anonymous No.6827973]

>>6827296
Based

[Anonymous No.6828003]

those thread are still full of shit.

>>6827742
>>6827792
Ricardo nice to see you are doing fine.
Are you going to try some scoring at Mikado Europe?
I was invited there but with this pandemic bullshit I don't want to take the risk.

[Anonymous No.6828024]

>>6827951
ok but then how I'm supposed to have two Button1s, it's impossible

[Anonymous No.6828031]

>>6828003
I don't own a car so going there would be a pain in the ass to me (nevermind that with covid it may not even be possible period)
Besides I don't play with a stick so I'm kinda fucked
Glad to see someone not being a total minge and posting their playing stuff, I'm sick of these nonplayer larpers poisoning the well

[Anonymous No.6828046]

>>6828024
You can but whatever forget it

[Anonymous No.6828087]

>>6827478
> no you cant just 1cc you have to score it
> no that score is shit you should just kys
> well thats only the western world record

I hate this shit. Its like a gold medal olympian shitting on the 99% who arent good enough for the olympics. Of course everyone cant score the highest and that doesnt mean anything less is shit. There is room for pointing out shit where applicable but i think some in the shmup community set the bar way too high. A DDP 1-ALL, no matter how much it is flailed, is still a decent achievement and gives you a pretty good reference point to judge the skill and dedication of a player.

Everyone has to start somewhere. Collect ing 1ccs is a good start. You have to accept a low/mid tier or you dont really have a community. Much like it is now. I believe this is partly what causes the non player issue in the genre

[Anonymous No.6828090]

>>6828031
I know you are a KB player. a shame really as rocco is doing an amazing work there.
I begin doing more Mame traning btw. Saving so much time that playing on original Hardware only.
Going for Dragon spirit old ver, too much RNG imo but the game is fun.

[Anonymous No.6828095]

>>6828087
It's worse when you realize the guy saying this shit has no scores to post lol

[Anonymous No.6828096]

>>6828046
well fuck you too

[Anonymous No.6828101]

>>6828087
I fucked up

*DDP 2-ALL

[Anonymous No.6828106]

>>6828090
I've played with a pad in the past as well, last three and a half years with keyboard only since the last one broke, just never with a stick
You're right. Good luck and have fun

[Anonymous No.6828114]

>>6828087
a 1CC or a 2ALL is an amazing acheavement by itself, don't mind the retards here who can't even post a single score.

[Anonymous No.6828131]

We have a severe lack of even 1cc collectors and here you have larpers yelling at them lol
target the nonplayer faggots instead

[Anonymous No.6828201]

>>6827296
Raiden DX!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6BIbTOaMGk&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcJf7Zyz3FnnyOeLcreVQj7u&index=3

[Anonymous No.6828208]

>>6827469
based

[Anonymous No.6828237]

>>6827349
Needless strain on your wrist in the long run, risk getting RSI or carpal tunnel which if you do anything physical with your hands besides typing and jerking off isn't worth it for some vidya scores.

[Anonymous No.6828385]

>>6828237
I figured as much, do I need cheats enabled for it in shmupmame?
Shits absolutely fucked up - first the switch worked but game was weirdly crash when I enabled cheat so I had to disable them in menu, but now all settings reset to default and autofire doesn't fucking work at all

[Anonymous No.6828436]

>>6828114
Wrong. Anything less than WR is pathetic and embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.6828752]

[Anonymous No.6828754]

>>6828752
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.6829403]

Is blue laser really the best for survival in DDP? Because that shot seems almost completely useless in stages unless you're at max power (which I'm often not because I'm a shitter who needs every life I'm given)

[Anonymous No.6829423]

how do we go about wiping out progression-based games and their fans from existence bros

[Anonymous No.6829515]

>>6829423
no need
most 2poo fans are trannies, and when they age to 27+ they will join that 41% and the problem will solve itself.

[Anonymous No.6829672]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0MXZ_WXtsM alright so this slaps

[Anonymous No.6829696]

>>6829423
See >>6827226

[Anonymous No.6829976]

>>6828752
>Aquas stroke

[Anonymous No.6830076]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTr0fErd5AU
look what cave is up to

[Anonymous No.6830094]

>>6830076
>phone game for pedophiles
A fate worse than death.

[Anonymous No.6830106]

>>6829403
Yes, it is. The shot is Very Good, you just have to get used to using it.

[Anonymous No.6830157]

YES

CAVE IS BACK BABY

https://www.gematsu.com/2020/09/kadokawa-forwardworks-and-cave-announce-world-witches-united-front-for-ios-android

[Anonymous No.6830175]

>>6830076
>pedo dog shit

[Anonymous No.6830179]

buy Cave stock

[Anonymous No.6830197]

cave making a phone game lol
have fun with all the micro payments

[Anonymous No.6830204]

>>6830076
I see they also follow the Konami route. What a bunch of cucks
>also pedo trash

[Anonymous No.6830206]

>>6830076
lol cave is working on pedo weeb shit.
what a hard downfall.

lol

[Anonymous No.6830398]

>>6827368
what an aggressively ugly group of... people(?)

[Anonymous No.6830403]

>>6830398
shmups community slowly starting to look like that

[Anonymous No.6830514]

>>6827380
>1cc collectors don't get hard 1cc's, they stay around a comfortable mid range
as long as they don't go around acting like they're good at shmups it's not a problem

[Anonymous No.6830537]

>>6830514
Get a load of this arrogant scoretranny.

[Anonymous No.6830539]

>>6830537
>implying that guy has any scores and isn't just a larper

[Anonymous No.6830592]

>>6830537
being moderately average isn't considered good in any competitive video game.

>>6828087
>Collect ing 1ccs is a good start. You have to accept a low/mid tier or you dont really have a community. Much like it is now. I believe this is partly what causes the non player issue in the genre
New players are praised for even doing a DDP or DFK 1-all, because it's appropriate for their lack of experience.
But if you've been playing shmups for years and the best you got was a Futari Maniac clear who would call you a "good" player? Even for pure survival that's just middle of the road average.

[Anonymous No.6830603]

>>6822120
this is true

>>6822190
Micro hitboxes are not good. Yes of course hit boxes are always smaller as the hull. But micro hitboxes are just bad because it's unbelievable and gives the game an artificial feeling. Keep in mind that bullets can have a micro hitbox too. Which makes this even worse.

[Anonymous No.6830606]

>>6828752
THis is the stupid pogchamp fave he does sometimes

[Anonymous No.6830607]

>>6830592
>Futari Maniac clear who would call you a "good" player?
any normal gamer who watches you do that will think you're a shmup prodigy

[Anonymous No.6830610]

>>6830592
Can you shut your dick trap and post your score so we can see how good you are ?

[Anonymous No.6830613]

>>6830603
based, someone had to say it

[Anonymous No.6830617]

>>6830610
If that guy is a novice then props to him for speaking the truth instead of blowing smoke up your ass

[Anonymous No.6830618]

People who insist you MUST play for score don't even play games.

[Anonymous No.6830620]

anything below 40 is entry level

[Anonymous No.6830625]

>>6830603
>But micro hitboxes are just bad because it's unbelievable and gives the game an artificial feeling
This isn't a criticism, every facet of the genre is unbelievable and artificial, because shmups are abstract mechanics focused video games that don't even try to be realistic. Consider elf

[Anonymous No.6830628]

w-what do you mean my 1-alls aren't good? I've kuso cleared a dozen shmups!

[Anonymous No.6830632]

learn to chain doj, simple as

[Anonymous No.6830635]

>>6830617
Nothing in shmup matter other than scoring and achieving 1CC and 2ALL.
Until now with 452 reply and 72 ip; only 2 guys could proove they actually can play and complete games.
All the rest are pretending to know everything about a genre they are absolut shit at.

[Anonymous No.6830639]

>>6830635
Does that mean that the kusoclear defenders are even lying about their kusoclears? Yikes

[Anonymous No.6830665]

>>6830635
asking for replays only makes sense if a player is talking about himself and achievements and you want proof. If someone says a DDP 1-all doesn't make you ''good at shmups'', you don't need to see his replays, that's just a fact.

[Anonymous No.6830679]

>>6830639
>>6830665
There is no shit clear you inbreeding mangoloids. you either can clear the game or not, simple as that.
For now you are all insignificant insects crawling in the dumpster of mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.6830715]

>>6830679
>There is no shit clear. Every clear is equally special and good.


cope

[Anonymous No.6830724]

>>6830715
based

[Anonymous No.6830741]

>w-where is my participation trophy?!

[Anonymous No.6830754]

Reminder that no one cares about your score, or 1-ALL or 2-ALL and no one ever will. Once you swallow that pill you will realize how shit and cliquey the shmup community is and you can play for fun.

[Anonymous No.6830762]

>>6830076
Must be good if it makes the normalfags here cry

[Anonymous No.6830769]

>>6830754
based credit feeding cope posting retard

[Anonymous No.6830771]

>>6817032
girl wit broom

[Anonymous No.6830775]

>>6830769
Take the eagletpill

[Anonymous No.6830779]

>>6830754
getting good is always fun, stagnating is boring

[Anonymous No.6830805]

>>6830632
based Clast

[Anonymous No.6830825]

can someone post the eaglet pill again

[Anonymous No.6830963]

played shmups for a few minutes
now for what I actually want to play

[Anonymous No.6830968]

>>6830963
>now for what I actually want to play
computer, execute program: discord-gossip.exe.

[Anonymous No.6830971]

>>6830968
and based FFXIV at the same time

[Anonymous No.6830997]

people fear MMOs because they are so fun

[Anonymous No.6831000]

>>6830997

[Anonymous No.6831018]

the eaglet pill is the one where you say dumb shit and get dabbed on by bananafaggot right?

[Anonymous No.6831103]

>>6831000
>>6831018
>>6830971
>>6830771
get a gf

[Anonymous No.6831129]

>>6831103
sorry I'm not interested in gf(male)

[Anonymous No.6831132]

>>6831129

[Anonymous No.6831138]

>>6831132

[Anonymous No.6831148]

>>6817032

[Anonymous No.6831158]

>>6831132
https://twitter.com/CHARLENEMAXIMUM

[Anonymous No.6831229]

>>6830679
A wise man once said, "it doesnt matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

[Anonymous No.6831237]

gaem naem?

[Anonymous No.6831240]

>>6831229
despatche said that?!

[Anonymous No.6831243]

>>6831240

[Anonymous No.6831265]

>>6831243
>14th
>17th
hey winning is winning! all clears are good and equal.

[Anonymous No.6831274]

>>6831243
That motherfuckers clears/scores arent the problem, its his goddamn mouth.

[Anonymous No.6831275]

>>6831265
Those aren't clears, not even close
Stop anytime soon, larper

[Anonymous No.6831292]

Is there any mobile shmup worth playing around with if your stuck somewhere with nothing to do?

[Anonymous No.6831302]

>>6831275
>actually, heh, those aren't clears
who cares even if they were? trash is trash

[Anonymous No.6831306]

>>6831292
aka to blue

[Anonymous No.6831315]

>>6831302
is it fair to say that moglar has finally become good at Ketsui?

[Anonymous No.6831324]

>>6831302
>all clears are good and equal
>who cares if they were?

[Anonymous No.6831329]

DDP 1-all with no bombs or extends left is the same as DDP 600 million 2-all, didn't you hear? "There is no shit clear you inbreeding mangoloids. you either can clear the game or not, simple as that. "

[Anonymous No.6831332]

>>6831329
post your scores

[Anonymous No.6831334]

>>6831315
he's good at ketsui but not good at shmups until he gets a dozen shitter 1ccs.

[Anonymous No.6831349]

>>6827269
>use the character that lets you ignore some patterns
Where's the fun in that

[Anonymous No.6831360]

>>6831332
chaining ura

[Anonymous No.6831361]

>>6831349
If that's what you prefer cool, it's just harder for the guy that's struggling

[Anonymous No.6831367]

>>6831360
based novice mode gang

[Anonymous No.6831374]

>>6831361
I'm the guy, aint I supposed to be struggling anyway?

[Anonymous No.6831380]

>>6831374
the Gunbird 1-all isn't too hard so not really for long
for 2 loops though that's a different story

[Anonymous No.6831397]

>>6831329
are you insect this stupid ?
Finishing the game is an acheavement itself, better than spending time talking shit on STG thread when you can't even pass level 3.

[Anonymous No.6831460]

>>6831397
>>6827884

[Anonymous No.6831493]

>>6831397
>Finishing the game is an acheavement itself
cool, that's irrelevant.
The original point was how to get good at shmups, and a scrubby DDP 1-all won't make you good, neither will another dozen similar scrubby clears, because the mountain goes much much higher than that.

[Anonymous No.6831502]

>>6830775
>>6830825

"This is good advice some of you might want.

Pick one or two shmup(s) with good replay value (scoring).
Play one or two hour(s) a day.
If ports or emulation aren't accurate consider buying a PCB.
Consider your monitor setup, is it optimal?
Never EVER join a shmup forum, discord or community. [I found them to be a waste of time].
Save replays of your progress and best runs.
Save replays of top players in your chosen shmup(s) for research.
Practice consciously with specific targets in mind. Ask yourself: "what did I learn or figure out in my last session?". Think about your route, "can I repeat this sequence consistently or is it too risky?". Think about the patterns you're seeing: are they aimed, static, rng, can you manipulate them? tl;dr play thoughtfully.

Do this for a few years and you'll be in the top 1% of shmup players, you'll have a rewarding experience that keeps on giving. You'll have big skills, big scores, and you'll be owning the shmup(s) instead of THEM owning you. You won't become a shut in loser, you won't become a 1cc collecting scrub, and you won't have mental problems like most of the players. You won't waste time on their community drama. Anyone with half a brain will figure this out but I thought I'd save you some time.

Tip: Batrider and Garegga are your friends, don't fear the rank or what you've been told."

[Anonymous No.6831503]

>>6831380
I don't use bombs

[Anonymous No.6831515]

>>6831503
based and scoringpilled
you have to kill yourself twice at the start and collect the power ups if you're going all the way

[Anonymous No.6831516]

>>6831493
you're arguing with a point noone's making brah

[Anonymous No.6831524]

>>6831503
going for your 1st ever NMNB of gunbird, friend?

[Anonymous No.6831537]

>>6831524
trying to see If i'm interested in a genre at all and If I can gitgud
So far not much of a progress being made

[Anonymous No.6831540]

>>6831516
that was the point all along. >>6827151

and this guy got triggered by it >>6827180

>>6831502
there it is.

[Anonymous No.6831548]

>>6831540
Okay now where are your scores?

[Anonymous No.6831552]

make new thread

[Anonymous No.6831570]

>>6831552
What's the point this thread is just bitches that don't play these games

[Anonymous No.6831580]

>>6831360
Ura is a big challenge

[Anonymous No.6831584]

>>6831580
>Novice Ura

[Anonymous No.6831602]

>>6831584
a clear is a clear!

[Anonymous No.6831614]

>>6831602
but he's scoring obsessed dipshit

[Anonymous No.6831632]

>>6831614
>but he's scoring obsessed
sugoi!

[Anonymous No.6831712]

>>6831570
> post scores or stfu
> thats a shit score/clear/game you loser go kys
I have no idea why people dont post scores.

[Anonymous No.6831729]

>>6831712
The same people insulting others are those who aren't posting scores

[Anonymous No.6831731]

One of you guys needs to do it for free so we can have a mole in the tranny-janny jarpig circle.

[Anonymous No.6832098]

>>6831729
No one's posted scores or replays besides retardo cos the threads are made solely for trolling and drama. Funny thing is you won't recognize the problems and will continue shitting up the threads with seething about nonplayers and trannycord drama, endlessly recycling your own feces like an ouroboros of shitposting

[Anonymous No.6832115]

>>6832098
>No one's posted scores or replays besides retardo cos the threads are made solely for trolling and drama
Actually I haven't posted replays because I don't have any...

[Anonymous No.6832136]

>>>6832129

new thread