It didn't age well.

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It didn't age well. Anonymous Tue Jul 7 13:41:32 2020 No.6579970 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 13:43:33 2020 No.6579973 >>6579970 The gameplay didn't but some aspects of the graphics (like interactable dynamic foliage) were more advanced than any Hitman game that came after. Still has a good style to it today.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 13:46:00 2020 No.6579980 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8SLofdGqQ the music had good atmosphere

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 14:49:30 2020 No.6580146 >>6579980 The series BREATHES with atmosphere, well untill Absolution that is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACJ089qsfM

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 15:03:20 2020 No.6580171 >>6579970 Only retro games can age. Non-retro games are born aged and cannot age worse. Fucking zoomers, get your facts straight

>>	Sage Tue Jul 7 16:11:40 2020 No.6580325 File: 133 KB, 504x493, 64018C4F-ADDC-482E-B0D9-FFB84AA1FCC3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You know I had to sage and report it to em.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 17:03:58 2020 No.6580465 >>6579970 NOT RETRO LEL

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 17:06:39 2020 No.6580470 Hitman > Metal Gear Söylid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 17:18:08 2020 No.6580496 >>6579970 >Initial release date: November 21, 2000

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 18:08:27 2020 No.6580636 >>6579970 Yeah, that's kinda why the developers literally remade it, that's what Contracts is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 19:34:43 2020 No.6580835 >>6580465 >>6580496 >Windows 98

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 19:37:46 2020 No.6580846 EVERY PLEASURE IS INSIDE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 19:49:39 2020 No.6580878 File: 1.35 MB, 1280x720, I could not even recognize my own wall.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6580636 Traditions of the Trade is still superior in C47.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:03:27 2020 No.6580909 >>6580835 Goes by release date retard. Not retro!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:27:19 2020 No.6580949 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH NOT RETRO NOT RETRO NOT RETRO FUCK YOU OP I HOPE YOU GET BANNED FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:28:15 2020 No.6580951 >>6580909 >on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Windows 98 is a pre-y2k platform. Cope & dilate, niggerfaggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:40:55 2020 No.6580984 >>6580951 Wrong! It’s a 2000 release therefore not retro! Bye!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:44:21 2020 No.6580991 >>6580984 Since when do the rules go by the game's release date, retard? Do you go into Final Fantasy 9, Majora's Mask and Skies of Arcadia threads and bitch about those not being retro too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:46:46 2020 No.6580993 >>6580991 >Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. It was released in 2000. Not retro!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:48:59 2020 No.6580997 >>6580993 Yes, the computer game being Hitman and the platform being Win98, which came out before 1999. You literally fail at reading comprehension. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:52:03 2020 No.6581005 >>6580997 Not retro, never will be!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 20:53:44 2020 No.6581007 Since Deus Ex threads are allowed then this game should be as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:11:40 2020 No.6581036 This is the reason why /v/ laughs at you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:12:40 2020 No.6581041 >>6581005 Stop false flagging. It runs on 1999 hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 22:38:53 2020 No.6581249 >>6579970 It didn't but Hitman is a series that learns from its mistakes for several games in a row. >>6580984 Rules don't apply, W98 is a platform. Don't like it, take it up on the IRC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 00:19:19 2020 No.6581531 >>6581041 >>6581249 Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 03:38:21 2020 No.6581921 this anyone else here actually beat it? i don't know how i did it years ago fucking awful to play nowadays >>6579980 music is the best part though desu walking through the shitty foggy forest levels while that theme starts up is pretty cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 03:50:58 2020 No.6581937 >>6581921 >>>/v/ Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:11:35 2020 No.6581956 >>6581921 I beat it some two months ago not a bad game, honestly. I can see why it frustrated players, but I liked it overall. Some of the levels were really stellar.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:13:39 2020 No.6581958 >>6581007 That kind of logic has never been the strength of /vr/. It's all about the soul, and Hitman is soulless.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:19:33 2020 No.6581962

>>6580993
>>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>>on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>It was released in 2000. Not retro!
>Runs on a platform made in 1999
You didn't even read the rule you quoted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:35:48 2020 No.6581981 >>6581962 This game was released in the year 2000 for PC. Unfortunately this means it’s not retro!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:39:20 2020 No.6581989 >>6581981 Your rule talks about the platform launch date not the release date of the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:39:56 2020 No.6581990 >>6581981 PC came out in 1975 retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:41:09 2020 No.6581991 >>6581990 The OS launched in 1998.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:42:30 2020 No.6581994 >>6581981 It was released for the Windows 98 operating system the same year that Perfect Dark came out for Nintendo 64.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:42:37 2020 No.6581996 >>6581007 except they are not and have been deleted

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:44:10 2020 No.6582000 both agent 47 and the posters in this thread have an extra chromosome

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:44:54 2020 No.6582002

>>6580991
>Since when do the rules go by the game's release date, retard?
for PC games? since always, newfag

>>6581962
>>>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>consoles [...] launched in 1999 and earlier
>--> computer games [...] launched in 1999 and earlier <--
>arcade games (including pinball) [...] launched in 1999 and earlier
> any other forms of video games on platforms [...] launched in 1999 and earlier

"on platforms" only applies to last point, not to every point. otherwise it would make no sense for half of the listed points

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 04:56:13 2020 No.6582015

>>6582002
>"on platforms" only applies to last point, not to every point. otherwise it would make no sense for half of the listed points
That almost makes sense but "Any other form of video games on platforms" is such a redundant and awkward statement that it blows a hole in your theory. Really the rule can be interpreted many different ways and probably should be updated. For computer games it should be on targeted OS for sure because it makes no sense that a game made for a console made in 98 is cool but a game made for a computer in 98 is not cool. A gigantic portion of Gen 5 games were released in the 2000s and no one bats an eye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 05:01:56 2020 No.6582020 >>6580993 Several NeoGeo games came out after 2000, you absolute faggot.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 05:13:38 2020 No.6582035

>>6582015
>>any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier
really can't see anything redundant, or awkward

>computer games it should be on targeted OS
no, it makes no sense
the 1999 release rule is fine. some good/popular games will be excluded but so what, there will be with any rule
you can make a thread about them on /v/ anyway, and actually improve that board's quality

another point is that "windows 98" is not a homogeneous platform and you actually can't define a single PC hardware or software "spec" that would apply as a good retro cutoff point. the nature of PC is too modular and each module has too independent development. the release date for game is really the most practical point to apply the rule

>made for a computer in 98
that's not even how an OS "works"
the windows 98's life cycle extends way past 1999
official support ended in 2006 and even that doesn't mean people dropped it overnight

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:30:46 2020 No.6582126
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the rules only care about the age of the hardware the game can run on
hitman 1 can run on pre-2000 hardware, therefore it's allowed. simple as that

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:49:34 2020 No.6582151

>>6582126
Honestly I think the exception should just be made for post-2000 games that supported Glide for 3dfx cards, and no other exception being allowed.

That would allow Deus Ex, Diablo 2 and Hitman but keep out shit like those year 2004 games which still worked on Windows 98.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:51:53 2020 No.6582154 >>6582151 windows version shouldn't be relevant at all, you can run windows xp on a 1999 machine, it's software, just like the game most high end 2004 games won't run on a machine from 1999 anyway, so you don't need to worry much

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:55:02 2020 No.6582160 >>6582126 stop your delusional drivel, rule for PC games is the game's release date Hitman was released in 2000, therefore is not retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:56:07 2020 No.6582161 >>6582160 >rule for PC games is the game's release date according to who? because it's not in the rules or sticky

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:56:15 2020 No.6582162

>>6582154
The problem is what is the definition of ‘run’? Half-Life 2 will officially work on a TNT2 as it has a DirectX 6 path, but it will look and play like garbage.

I think it’s safer to limit it to games which officially supported Glide. That’ll also keep out the smartarses who bring up that Doom 3 hack for Voodoo cards

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:57:53 2020 No.6582163 >>6582151 Why not explicitly write "...games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier, and Deus Ex, and Diablo 2, because I played those when I was 13"? It would completely remove all ambiguity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:58:18 2020 No.6582165 File: 33 KB, 403x400, 51900HAFX0L._AC_SY400_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6580993 Holy shit you're fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 06:58:36 2020 No.6582167 >>6582161 see >>6582002 >--> computer games [...] launched in 1999 and earlier <--

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:00:20 2020 No.6582170

>>6582167
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. Sixth generation and later consoles are not considered retro.
computer games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier
nice ommision of "on platforms" there

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:01:23 2020 No.6582171 >>6582035 Windows 9X games are perfectly valid under the rules here. Your whining and not understanding how to read doesn't change that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:01:44 2020 No.6582173 >>6582170 see >>6582002

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:03:18 2020 No.6582175 more shitposting than /v/ in this thread

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:04:47 2020 No.6582178

>>6582173
pretty sure the only error in the rule is saying "consoles" instead of "console games", considering the rest of the points at refer to games (computer games, arcade games, and any other games)
so yes, i believe it is intended to say "console/computer/arcade/other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier"

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:04:55 2020 No.6582179

>>6582170
Not him but Windows is obviously a platform. The rules say on platforms, not on consoles for that very reason.

Game release date here means nothing. Things like Pier Solar for Genesis are fully within the rules. Exactly the same way game running in Windows 98 that was made in 1999, 2009 or 2019 would all be equally acceptable under the guidelines.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:05:11 2020 No.6582180 >>6582175 Fuck off to /v/ then

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:05:18 2020 No.6582181

>>6582171
you're the one whining after being called out on breaking rules
it is only your own mental gymnastics that the rule somehow applies to windows, because your favorite games didn't cut the 1999 release mark and for some reason you think /v/ does not exist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:05:57 2020 No.6582183 >>6582178 >so yes, i believe it is intended to say "console/computer/arcade/other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier" Your belief is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:06:19 2020 No.6582185 >>6582178 >it says what i want it to say if i change the words to what i want them to say excellent logic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:06:53 2020 No.6582187 >>6582179 it would certainly be easier to say games with an official minimum requirement of windows 98SE or earlier, since that it a verifyable, concrete, fact

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:08:03 2020 No.6582190 >>6582183 >>6582185 well otherwise it would say "consoles ... on platforms launched in 1999", which makes no sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:08:16 2020 No.6582192 I don't think the jungle levels were even good for their time to be honest

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:09:17 2020 No.6582194 >>6582179 >>6582187 well, if it was by windows version, it would be windows 2000, since that came out in 1999

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:09:59 2020 No.6582196 >>6582179 Windows is not a "platform" like a console is. it doesn't align with console generations and creates a slippery slope for leap frogging "if X is allowed, then why not Y" current rule is fine. you can talk about newer games on /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:10:56 2020 No.6582197 >>6582187 The mod would never go beyond himself to verify something more sophisticated than console name or release date.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:11:08 2020 No.6582198 >>6582190 >well otherwise it would say "consoles ... on platforms launched in 1999", which makes no sense exactly see >>6582002

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:11:45 2020 No.6582202 >>6582181 Not my thread and I only started reading it about 20 minutes ago. Just tired of the nth time this has been brought up by people who can't read. >>6582187 It's perfectly clear already.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:14:19 2020 No.6582208 >>6582187 >since that it a verifyable, concrete, fact except you can patch the system to make newer software run on it games' release dates are actually more concrete and better verifiable

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:14:25 2020 No.6582209

>>6582196
It's not a platform in exactly the same way, but is a platform non the less and specifically what's being referred to in the rules. If you don't like them that's fine, but this isn't a debate. I have other things to do than teach English to a bunch of children.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:17:57 2020 No.6582219

>>6582209
>but is a platform non the less
so is a physical platform you can dance on or put an arcade machine on, that doesn't mean it's also applicable as a rule

>I have other things to do than teach English
like learning English
it's spelled "nonetheless", you jackass

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:26:58 2020 No.6582226 >>6582202 >It's perfectly clear already. this thread begs to differ

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:29:55 2020 No.6582230 >>6582198 >if i cut the sentence up differently, it supports my preferences cool, but english doesn't work like that, unfortunately, it matters which words you omit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 07:33:46 2020 No.6582234 >>6582219 Sorry for not putting more effort into grammar when replying to your shitposting. >>6582226 Right, I should have said it's perfectly clear for reasonably literate people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:44:04 2020 No.6582421 >aged Also just make a rule for PC games only that goes to 2000

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 08:52:08 2020 No.6582437 >>6579980 Even the levels. Any good games with the same atmosphere and music. I know about Unreal btw. >>6581981 To me it is, but to this site it is not because RULEZ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 09:08:54 2020 No.6582479 The original became unplayed the second Hitman 2 came out. That´s why game 3 remade all the good parts of 1.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 12:21:45 2020 No.6582840 >>6582167 >omitting the "on platforms" part Nice try, faggot.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 12:47:28 2020 No.6582881

>you actually can't define a single PC hardware or software "spec" that would apply as a good retro cutoff point
You actually can. Was the computer platform available in 1999 or not? That was so hard!
>the release date for game is really the most practical point to apply the rule
Wrong.
>>6582179
>Not him but Windows is obviously a platform.
Wrong.
OS doesn't mean anything. If I install a modified version of the PS1's OS that was made after 1999, is the PS1 not retro any more?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 12:58:19 2020 No.6582893 >>6582881 The Playstation doesn't use an OS, retard. But yes, mods and hacks of retro things are allowed on here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:08:28 2020 No.6582916 >>6579973 Gameplay of 1 and 2 are the only thing that survived and has more depth than most games today

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:14:27 2020 No.6582938 >>6580835 There are tons of post 2000 games that are compatible with windows 98, that doesn't make them retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:16:01 2020 No.6582941 >>6579970 N O T R E T R O Why is this thread still up? God... I get instantly shut down for posting Gamecube stuff, such hypocrisy...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:25:28 2020 No.6582964 >>6580465 According to 12 year olds in /v/ anything 6th gen is retro enough to be completely foreign to them Then again hitman 1 isnt 6th gen

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:51:51 2020 No.6583012 >>6582941 Pre-Windows XP computer games are allowed, that's why. GC games are not retro because GC is a post-y2k platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:53:52 2020 No.6583018 File: 425 KB, 600x800, THU2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] THUG2 is supported by windows 98, TIME FOR A BAM MARGERA THREAD AMIRITE GUIS?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:55:31 2020 No.6583023 >>6582893 What do you call the built in software system that operates memory cards, inputs from controllers, outputs image and sound data, stupid fucking faggot retard reddit spacer?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:59:35 2020 No.6583035 File: 19 KB, 220x284, Halo 1 thread.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Halo 1 also supports Windows 98, time to make some Halo threads bois.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:01:56 2020 No.6583039 I would go to /vr/ more often but the autism levels are as strong as on /v/, just in different areas.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:02:02 2020 No.6583040 >>6583023 >confusing firmware for an "OS" And you're calling others retards? Lmao.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:03:07 2020 No.6583045 >>6582196 >trying to talk about a game released in 2000 on /v/ Unless it has a twitter screencap about trannies nobody gives a shit. Video games just needs a board for each decade

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:05:45 2020 No.6583050 >>6583035 That's a Windows XP game. Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:07:46 2020 No.6583057 >>6583050 It has support for Windows 98, too bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:13:02 2020 No.6583074 >>6583057 Too bad, the inclusion of XP kills its chances of being /vr/-worthy. Same goes for any PC game made after Oct 2001 when XP was released.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:13:35 2020 No.6583076 >>6583050 Also, Hitman: Codename 47 has support for Windows ME, which was released on September 14, 2000. So there's your entire argument out of the window.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:15:27 2020 No.6583082 >>6583074 Not true. If somebody ports a newer-ish game to the Dreamcast, then we're allowed to talk about it here. I fail to see the difference.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:24:50 2020 No.6583094 >>6582881 for windows games you could go with directx versions 7 and below- ok 8 -released november 2000 = not ok

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:28:52 2020 No.6583103 File: 118 KB, 540x676, 0602083c-6a71-4770-a487-dbee5ba6c00b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this whole thread /vr/ is just gonna explode once the 9th generation of consoles releases and the sticky is updated again, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:38:22 2020 No.6583123 >>6579970 Also not retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:38:55 2020 No.6583128 >>6583123 Neither is Sonic Adventure 2 then

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:39:33 2020 No.6583130 >>6583082 Because Dreamcast is a pre-cutoff system so any game made for it is retro. Unlike games made to support XP (or any other OS made after 1999), which is a non-retro platform.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:40:38 2020 No.6583137 >>6583130 This is completely arbitrary and retarded, and you know it. This thread should have been taken down a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:40:38 2020 No.6583138 >>6583128 *sonic adventure 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:40:56 2020 No.6583139 >>6583023 >What do you call the built in software system that operates memory cards, inputs from controllers, outputs image and sound data, stupid fucking faggot retard reddit spacer? A bios, you stupid reddit nigger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:41:47 2020 No.6583140 >>6583130 What about a game that comes out in 2000/2001 on both Dreamcast and PC? Are you only allowed to discuss the dreamcast version?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:42:32 2020 No.6583142 >>6583076 WinMe is retro because it's part of the retro Win9x codebase, whereas XP is completely new and more similar with other 6th gen systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:43:16 2020 No.6583148 >>6583128 See >>6583130 Also, Hitman supports Windows ME, which is not a retro OS. By all means discuss it on /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:43:56 2020 No.6583150 File: 157 KB, 800x801, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6583140 Yes, that's how the rules work. The post-cutoff PC version is not allowed but retro consoles' versions are.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:44:40 2020 No.6583154

>>6583142
>WinMe is retro because it's part of the retro Win9x codebase
Not an argument. We might as well discuss Gamecube then because it's a Nintendo console and uses the same A/V port, or discuss the PS2 because it's compatible with PS1 games and has PS1 hardware in it.

Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:47:59 2020 No.6583161 >>6583154 ME wasn't as big of a generational step as XP was, for all intensive purposes, PC games made from 98 to 2001 are Win98 late 5th gen games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:49:52 2020 No.6583169 >>6583161 You're argument is arbitrary as all fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:50:54 2020 No.6583173 >>6583169 And yes, I realise I accidentally typed "you're" instead of "your", mistakes happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:51:05 2020 No.6583174 File: 21 KB, 265x375, Codbox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thoughts on this game? >inb4 not retro Supports win98. >b-but it's XP! Hitman and other 2000 games support non-retro OSes like WinME.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:52:27 2020 No.6583180 >>6583161 >shifting goalposts this fucking much So we should discuss PS2 games then since many early PS2 games came out on CD. Not a big generation gap, so I guess PS2 is retro now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:08:45 2020 No.6583236 >mods deleted other thread but not this one I guess hitman is retro then

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:10:03 2020 No.6583242 So now that Windows ME games are retro, shouldn't PS2 be retro as well? They both came out in the same year after all...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:10:32 2020 No.6583243 >>6583242 >shouldn't PS2 be retro as well? It will be once the next console gen starts

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:13:32 2020 No.6583253 >>6583242 Yeah they should be, but they aren't. The rules are arbitrary now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:20:41 2020 No.6583265 >>6582840 see >>6582002

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:20:53 2020 No.6583268 >>6583243 Why not now? 20 years is long enough imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:24:27 2020 No.6583272 >>6583268 >Why not now? Sticky rules

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:25:06 2020 No.6583273 >>6583272 Yes, and the sticky rules dictate that this thread should be deleted. Yet here we are...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:38:43 2020 No.6583287 >>6583273 The other thread was deleted

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:44:35 2020 No.6583298 >>6583287 Because the trannyjanny has a hateboner against Halo/Xbox games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:45:07 2020 No.6583301 >hitman thread >95% posts discussing if it's retro or not this is why nobody likes you fucking boomers

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:45:50 2020 No.6583304 >>6583301 Then take it to /v/ where it belongs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:46:21 2020 No.6583306 >>6583174 It requires a hardware platform made after 1999. Not retro. Is it that difficult to understand? OS doesn't mean anything. Zoom. >>6583253 Wrong. The rules are clear. >>6583243 Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:48:21 2020 No.6583308 >>6583306 You're right, the rules are clear, which is why this thread shouldn't exist.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:54:42 2020 No.6583314

>>6583308
Wrong. Hitman runs on a 1999 hardware platform.
Have you heard of google? Just put the game name and then system requirements and you can check if it's retro.
Hitman requires
Processor: Pentium II 300 MHz.
Memory: 64 MB RAM.
Graphics: 100% DirectX 7.0a-compatible 3d Accelerated Card with 12MB VRAM.
DirectX: Version 7.0a
This was available in 1999.
It is retro.
Keep seething, 6th gen faggot. The rules aren't going to change and your dad isn't coming back home.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:57:41 2020 No.6583318 >>6583314 Doesn't matter, it was released after 2000. Post 2000 releases only count for console games.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 15:59:51 2020 No.6583323

>>6582162
Interesting interpretation.
>that Doom 3 hack for Voodoo cards
Hold on a minute, let me see how it looks, aaaaand it looks worse than trash. I would say that since that hack was made recently that it does not count whereas hitman would run on 98 hardware right out of the box.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:02:51 2020 No.6583332 >>6583323 >since that hack was made recently Meant to say "made after 99"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:06:00 2020 No.6583338 >>6583180 >I guess PS2 is retro now. TIK TOK, TIK TOK

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:08:44 2020 No.6583342 File: 121 KB, 256x374, ff10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rules are arbitrary now. I've played FF7, 8, and 9; and I want more. I've heard mixed opinions on FFX though, is the hate deserved or overblown?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:23:24 2020 No.6583371 >>6583342 It's pretty bad. If you want more FF, check out Lost Odyssey on Xbox 360, it's as good as the PS1 Final Fantasy games, maybe even better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:28:07 2020 No.6583376 >>6583318 Wrong. >>6582162 Half Life 2 requires 256mb of RAM. Computers didn't have 256mb of RAM in 1999. Not retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:33:28 2020 No.6583384 >>6583376 Silicon Graphics Onyx2 from 1996 had 256mb of ram minimum, 8gb max.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:35:56 2020 No.6583389 >>6581249 >Rules don't apply, W98 is a platform. Don't like it, take it up on the IRC. That's not how it works shithead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:45:38 2020 No.6583406 >>6583342 It's a great tragedy story, but require a long attention span to understand emotions and motives of characters, only people who can't will cringe at laughing Tidus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:48:47 2020 No.6583414 >>6583384 >Silicon Graphics Onyx2 It still couldn't run Hitman. Stay mad. It used an operating system called IRIX.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:49:52 2020 No.6583417 >>6583371 >Lost Odyssey Worse character designs than FFX. Worse characters in general. Generic music and world. Not worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:54:40 2020 No.6583427 >>6583376 256mb sticks of PC133 were already available by 1999, but even then, it's not like you couldn't use two sticks of 128mb, or a stick of 128mb and two 64mb sticks even earlier than that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:05:08 2020 No.6583450 >>6583427 >I pulled some shit out of my ass Specifically, what motherboard, RAM, and video card could you use in 1999 that could run HL2?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:10:11 2020 No.6583462

>>6579970
I disagree. It's about as good today as when it came out, the difference is that now we have the sequels that did the same thing but better (at least some of them). The shitty sections were shitty even back then, it's just that as a kid you had worse taste.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:13:23 2020 No.6583473

>>6581921
I beat it last year, first time since I was like 12. It's a mix of GREAT missions (some of the best in the series imo), and utterly shit broken unfinished missions (worst in the series). Overall... I rank the series like this (I've only played up to Blood Money)

Best to worst
1) Blood Money
2) Contracts
3) Hitman 1 & 2, shared

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:13:35 2020 No.6583475 >>6583389 Complaining about 4chan moderation is against the rules. Take it up on the feedback page and stop lashing out

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:14:15 2020 No.6583479

its not that hard you dumb boomers
the sticky says
>computer GAMES released in 1999 and earlier
>CONSOLES released in 1999 and earlier
hitman was released for a computer, therefore the top rule applies. since it was released in 2000, it does not agrees with /vr/'s definition of "retro", despite being compatible with an older system
However, in 2025 it will be allowed to be discussed on /his/

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:17:56 2020 No.6583496

>>6583450
Not even the same anon, just wanted to point out that 256mb of RAM was available in 1999. Would have been expensive, but it was an option.
I have seen HL2 running on a Geforce 256 SDR, which just barely meets the cutoff date, but the minimum requirement of a 1.2ghz CPU just wasn't available yet, not on the consumer market, anyway. If you get a pin modded Tualatin, you'd be able to use it on a Socket 370 board, but those CPUs weren't around in 1999.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:18:12 2020 No.6583498 >>6583479 They've been told a million times but they don't listen, save your time and just sage.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:20:38 2020 No.6583508

>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier

It's crystal clear that since the game was targeted to windows98, the game was launched on a platform that launched in 1999 or earlier.

I actually went and checked the box since I own it, it says "system requirements: win95/98", no mention of any other operating system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:24:02 2020 No.6583518 File: 18 KB, 278x359, daikatana.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >pic related, a game from 2000 >computer version: banned >Nintendo 64 version: allowed /vr/'s rules are completely retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:24:53 2020 No.6583523 >>6583508 Then that means windows XP games that are compatible with WIndows 98 should be allowed. If you disagree with this, then you are a hypocrite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:27:42 2020 No.6583535 >>6583518 Yes, but at least they're consistent. Now the consistency is threatened by this Hitman garbage being allowed to stay up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:28:58 2020 No.6583536 >>6583535 the only garbage on this board is retards like you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:31:12 2020 No.6583543 >>6583523 If it doesn't say win-xp on the box, sure. Then the game wasn't targeted towards windows xp. I can run dos-games on win10 with dosbox you know, some pre 99 game even work natively on win 10, are they not retro now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:31:53 2020 No.6583545 Hitman isn’t retro. But I think it’s great so I’m going to ignore the faggots faggoting

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:32:15 2020 No.6583547 >>6583535 Now this is actual real life autism. Sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:35:35 2020 No.6583563 >>6583543 Well Hitman: Codename 47 was made to be compatible with Windows ME on launch, so say goodbye to your argument. I win, bye bye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:38:06 2020 No.6583567 >>6583563 But windows ME isn't mentioned anywhere on the box, so that doesn't really matter since it wasn't the main platform. As I said, I can play several pre '99 games on win10 today, yet they are still retro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:42:32 2020 No.6583580 >>6579970 not retro

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:56:25 2020 No.6583618
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>>6582881
>Wrong.

No I am completely right and your example highlights it. If you made a homebrew game for the original PS1 today it would be considered retro under this board's rules. If you modified a PS1 into something else and made a game for whatever system that is then it would not be retro.

Remember that we talk about post 2000 games released for old platforms all tbe time here. The only time people get their panties in a twist is when it's a computer game but that's because this board has a strong bias towards consoles and many posters who get incensed when anything other than Mario or Sonic are brought up.

Again, this isn't a debate. The rules are simple and anyone who can actually read doesn't get confused by them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:04:45 2020 No.6583637 >>6583618 >strong bias towards consoles and many posters who get incensed when anything other than Mario or Sonic are brought up that's quite the projection

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:09:28 2020 No.6583647 >>6583496 Still waiting on that 1999 hardware setup you claimed existed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:12:53 2020 No.6583658 Heh... looks like I won another internet debate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:17:00 2020 No.6583664 >>6583496 >minimum requirement of a 1.2ghz CPU pretty sure i played portal first slice on a 800mhz cpu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:18:10 2020 No.6583667 6th geners are so mad that post-1999 hardware platforms will never be allowed. It’s fun to watch them seethe.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:27:24 2020 No.6583689

>>6583637
It's a little hyperbole sure, but is based on having been here for a long time. People only get this up in arms over PC games following the same rules as everything else. The only reason other than abject stupidity is ab anti-PC bias which pops up far more often than just in these threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:47:39 2020 No.6584262 bump

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:04:50 2020 No.6584323

>>6581956
>>6583473
you're right about some of the levels being really stellar, despite the flaws i really like the first mission where you set up the rifle on top of the roof, and i also like the hotel mission.
but fuck, trying to replay it i couldn't be bothered to do the chinese restaurant mission, one fuck up ruins everything. and then i remembered the whole forest levels
maybe i'm just cynical about the whole thing or my skills have watered down, i actually tried doing hitman 2 recently and couldn't do it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:14:42 2020 No.6584358 >>6583667 Hey, it's the console fag from the thread that got deleted posting in a PC game thread from 2000 that's still up!

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:20:00 2020 No.6584375

>>6584358
Cringe.
The year is the game doesn’t matter. Check the rules. The platform matters.
In this case, Hitman runs on a 1999 video game platform which is an modified home computer sold in 1999.
You would have to modify the 1999 computer platform to play something like Gaylo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:25:52 2020 No.6584393 >>6584262 Fuck off and let it die, it's not retro so it doesn't belong here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:27:25 2020 No.6584397 >>6584375 The PC isn't a platform that was launched in 1999 or earlier. Your console fag rules have no bearing. Be gone console child.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:28:04 2020 No.6584402 >>6584393 So mad. Can't wait for you to get a stroke due to spergrage once all of 6th gen is allowed on /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:28:37 2020 No.6584404 >>6584393 Except it literally is and it does. Read the rules in tbe sticky with a competent grasp of the English language and there's really no confusion at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:29:49 2020 No.6584412 >>6584397 Windows 98 was. As is clearly obvious for anyone either not retarded or trolling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:32:37 2020 No.6584423 >>6584412 Windows isn't a platform, and literally only console fags try and gate keep with PC OS, which is ironic since you don't even use them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:33:28 2020 No.6584426 >>6584423 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:33:30 2020 No.6584427 >>6584375 see >>6582002 >>--> computer games [...] launched in 1999 and earlier <--

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:36:13 2020 No.6584440 >>6584427 >ON PLATFORMS launched in 1999 and earlier

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:36:19 2020 No.6584441 File: 36 KB, 250x426, DQ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584402 I'm fine with 6th gen, It's just that the rules dictate that any PC games released after Dec 31st 1999 aren't allowed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:39:15 2020 No.6584461 >>6584440 see >>6582002 >"on platforms" only applies to last point, not to every point. otherwise it would make no sense for half of the listed points it's like you retards enjoy this circular argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:41:29 2020 No.6584472 >>6584461 you can't be sure of that. and given this thread is still up, you're clearly wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:42:23 2020 No.6584478 >>6584426 >It may be the hardware >or the operating system (OS), >or even a web browser >or literally anything >we dont know

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:43:27 2020 No.6584483 >2000 Not retro. Does anyone read the rules?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:45:43 2020 No.6584495 >>6584478 >Components >may >also >Hardware alone, in the case of small embedded systems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:48:21 2020 No.6584513 >>6584495 >Components >can be turned into goal posts >which I use >because I'm a console fag

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:51:23 2020 No.6584525

>>6584513
it quite clearly states that those are components of a platform. among several other things, like those components MAY ALSO comprise a platform. or that it's only applicable when it's a small, embedded system. etc.
point is, Windows versions are platforms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:11:13 2020 No.6584586 >>6584423 Of course it is. Your bias will never change that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:20:32 2020 No.6584631 >>6582916 The AI is pretty bad and the concept of lives in a stealth game has not been copied for good reason. Blood Money was probably peak gameplay.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:12:13 2020 No.6584825

>>6584525
>point is, Windows versions are platforms.
No, not in the context of video gaming.
In this context, the computer would be the platform.
Maybe in the context of personal computing Windows would be a platform.
However, in the context of gaming, on this board, OS is not a platform. It wouldn't make sense because we couldn't categorize consoles by OS, after all.
Besides, wikipedia doesn't list OSs in the list of video game platforms. It's common sense.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:51:19 2020 No.6584897
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>>6579970
i was playing the game and decided to watch the walk through skip to silent assassin.

so i was playing the jungle god and i shoot the jaguar and then the Indians started shooting me, probably because it was there god or something. i tried killing them but i couldn't for some reason. I remember running away to the other side of the map and apparently the Indians on the other side of the map who i had helped in the previous mission turned hostile and killed me. How did they know i killed there god, did they communicate in smoke signals ?
I Looked it up apparently you got to kill some pig and give it to the jaguar. how the fuck was i supposed to figure that out. I thought maybe there was supposed to be some sort hint of the mission briefing screen i missed but no there was no fucking hints. i dropped it on the next mission.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 23:57:05 2020 No.6584910 >>6579970 can't believe this perfectly good hitman thread got derailed by pedantic faggots arguing if it's retro or not just because it's on the borderline of being retro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 00:01:28 2020 No.6584928 >>6584910 Personally? I blame the console fags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 00:02:30 2020 No.6584932 >>6584586 >bias >this coming from a gate keeping console fag

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 00:05:04 2020 No.6584936 >>6584910 More people should follow the simple rule: Don't feed the trolls. Or "schizos" like some people prefer nowadays

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:44:12 2020 No.6585361

>>6582893
>>6583040
it's perfectly valid to call the playstation firmware an OS
it's the first program to run when powering on the system, it handles verifying and executing game software, and it contains various basic functions which many games use
what do you think an OS is?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:46:59 2020 No.6585362 >>6584910 Discuss it on >>>/v/ where it won’t be an issue. Bye!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:49:38 2020 No.6585367 >>6583074 what? does that mean we can't talk about psx games if they can be run on a ps3? or snes games release on the wii vc?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:52:27 2020 No.6585374 >>6585362 >eat shit because i say so fuck off, seriously

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:05:47 2020 No.6585508 >>6583496 >the minimum requirement of a 1.2ghz CPU Reminder that HL2 worked on an Xbox which had a 733mhz P3 HL2 will absolutely work on a 1999 PC but the performance and visuals will just be shitty

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:10:39 2020 No.6585517 >>6585374 Not retro, never will be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:23:55 2020 No.6585529 >>6584910 >>6585374 >can't believe this not retro thread got derailed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:38:38 2020 No.6585550 >>6585529 cry harder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB8ul6l_SGI

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:45:01 2020 No.6585564 >>6585550 Sorry you can't read the rules. Not retro.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:06:11 2020 No.6585619

>>6583647
Okay, let's just say something like a Gigabyte GA-6BX7, a Socket 370 board using the Intel 440BX Chipset (and supports up to 768mb of RAM), which came out somewhere during Summer '99. Pair that with a GeForce 256 SDR (a DX7 card), which came out in Fall '99 and 256mb of PC133 SDRAM, which was available from several vendors by '99. The only remaining component is the CPU, which for '99 you'd have to with something like a 800mhz Pentium III, though with some overclocking you can bring it up closer to that minimum req. Not that you necessarily need to meet the minimum requirement anyway, but it's always better to do so.
Not that I was the one that claimed such a system would exist in 1999 in the first, just that you could get 256mb of RAM, or more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:13:36 2020 No.6585630 >>6585619 HL2 wasn't that cpu heavy, i used to play it on a 667MHz Pentium III 1200MHz was the recommended speed, so what you'd need if you wanted higher settings and a smoother framerate 256M ram wasn't crazy in 1999 at all

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:27:29 2020 No.6585645 >>6585630 I had always heard that Source scaled well, but I never tried HL2 on anything that didn't meet the minimum requirement at least. Think the weakest system I ever played it on had an Athlon XP 1600+ and a Radeon AiW 7500.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:40:49 2020 No.6585658

>>6583417
>lost Odyssey
>Worse character designs than FFX.
You mean "showed restraint instead of slapping every ugly design element they could think of into one game"
>Worse characters in general.
Sort of yeah, its not anything revolutionary
>Generic music and world.
Wrong, its gorgeous the whole way through.
>not worth playing
Its worth playing a once.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 05:47:15 2020 No.6585668

>>6585658
>You mean "showed restraint instead of slapping every ugly design element they could think of into one game"
It's subjective, but designs of FFX is just more interesting.
>Sort of yeah, its not anything revolutionary
Characters of FFX feels like real people with real problems, and Tidus is just a generic 15 year old idiot thrown into Spira.
>Wrong, its gorgeous the whole way through.
Just like in dozens others games with techno-fantasy settings like it.
>Its worth playing a once.
Its a slog and you won't be happy in the end.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 06:41:01 2020 No.6585745 >>6585619 1 Ghz Athlon was arguably better for gaming than a Coppermine P3 anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 08:09:55 2020 No.6585870 >>6584932 Can you even read? Jesus fuck you people are retarded.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 08:14:20 2020 No.6585876
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>>6585362
This by the way highlights what happens in these threads and why the same weak arguments are dragged out over and over.

They know they're wrong. PC games logically follow the same rules as everything else. But since they were always console focused their anti PC bias comes out and the whole purpose is to derail actual conversation. This is what /vr/ has devolved into.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 08:23:08 2020 No.6585889 >>6585517 >>6585564 >thread still up >separate thread made to complain about this one got deleted Mods have decided its retro

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 08:29:28 2020 No.6585908 >>6585889 Which isn't news to anyone but they don't care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 08:52:57 2020 No.6585960 >>6585908 OK and?

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 09:40:23 2020 No.6586062

I was hoping for a decent c47 thread but what's the issue here? If it runs on pre 2000 hardware and is playable at at least a steady 20fps or so then sure it should be allowed. Games like hitman 1 and deus ex look very different from stuff like halo 2 or Metal Gear Solid 3

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 09:40:28 2020 No.6586063 those odd early attempts at 3d renders always make me feel uncomfortable. it freaks me out, kinda

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 09:52:04 2020 No.6586093 >>6586063 >2000 >early attempts at 3d renders

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 09:59:00 2020 No.6586105 >>6585876 >PC games logically follow the same rules as everything else factually wrong rule for computer games is game release date >anti PC bias projection and strawman >derail actual conversation thread is invalid to begin with

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 10:01:03 2020 No.6586109 >>6586062 >what's the issue here? not following board rules >If it runs on pre 2000 hardware and is playable at at least a steady 20fps or so then sure it should be allowed and another fag making up his own view on rules

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 10:09:58 2020 No.6586126 File: 16 KB, 600x426, 473762718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] holy fucking autism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 10:19:19 2020 No.6586148 File: 52 KB, 634x623, 1467004776195-b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6586093 fuck you!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 10:25:17 2020 No.6586160 >>6586063 it looks like a clay model

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 11:28:22 2020 No.6586291

>>6584897
>I Looked it up apparently you got to kill some pig and give it to the jaguar.
Not only does the briefing warn you that the natives won't appreciate it if you kill the jungle god, you can feed the jaguar anything including human corpses (just drop them on the altar) or you can simply run past him and bypass him

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 12:26:44 2020 No.6586380 >>6581531 I can’t imagine what it’s like to give a shit. Who cares, you fucking loser?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 12:39:14 2020 No.6586415 >>6586380 >not giving a shit take your free spirit shitposting to >>>/v/ or >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 12:43:01 2020 No.6586423 >>6585367 No, it means you can't discuss PS2/PS3 games on here which deprecated the PS1, like how XP and Vista deprecated Win98.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 12:47:20 2020 No.6586429 >>6586423 So is the Steam version of Micro Mages not allowed?

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 12:57:34 2020 No.6586457

>>6586105
>factually wrong
>rule for computer games is game release date

Learn to read.

>anti PC bias
>projection and strawman
If you aren't doing this out of a agenda then you're simply retarded and illiterate.

>thread is invalid to begin with
Wrong again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:20:36 2020 No.6586518 >>6586429 The Steam/PC version is not retro. However, the NES version is. Understood?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:23:01 2020 No.6586528 >>6586518 I don't know that game but is the steam version a remake or a port? Full remakes aren't allowed such as Secret of Mana, but ports are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:23:49 2020 No.6586529 >>6586528 it's literally the same game it's a recently-made NES game, the pc version is just the nes version being emulated

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:27:51 2020 No.6586538 >>6586529 If it's an emulated NES game, then it can go on /vr/. But indie/doujin PC games from the current millennium are not allowed. See: Celeste, Undertale, AVGN Adventures, Touhou, etc.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:30:41 2020 No.6586547

>>6586457
How fucking dense are you?
>Retro gaming means
>consoles on >>>>platforms<<<< launched in 1999 and earlier.
>computer games on >>>>platforms<<<< launched in 1999 and earlier.
>arcade games (including pinball) on >>>>platforms<<<< launched in 1999 and earlier.
>and any other forms of video games on >>>platforms<<<< launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:32:47 2020 No.6586552 2000 isn't retro, never will be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:35:07 2020 No.6586562 >>6586547 who are "consoles on platforms"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:39:41 2020 No.6586576 >>6586562 Clearly they meant "console games".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 13:43:19 2020 No.6586584 >>6586562 >NES, Atari 2600, Playstation, Nintendo 64, SNES, Master System...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:13:27 2020 No.6586701 >>6586576 >you are wrong for pointing out a flaw in grammar and logic >i am right for imagining words that are not there

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:18:04 2020 No.6586717 >>6586701 It's not imagining. "Consoles on platforms launched in or before 1999" doesn't make sense, but "console games" does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:20:29 2020 No.6586723 >>6585870 >retarded >says the gate keeping console fag making up his own rules on what PC users can talk about

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:21:22 2020 No.6586727

>>6586717
there is no "console games" in the sticky
you are desperately trying to change what the sticky means by either misinterpreting the written sentence in a way it becomes incoherent, or blatantly change the wording to what you want it to say
your shitposting is at a dead end, cut it out already

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:23:14 2020 No.6586730 >>6586723 I was making the opposite point, dipshit. PC games follow the same rules here as console games. If anything I lean more towards PC than consoles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:25:32 2020 No.6586745 File: 257 KB, 848x473, cavestorygenesis.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6586717 The rules don't go by game release date, they go by platform release date. This is extremely clear.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:26:43 2020 No.6586749

>>6586727
Because it's totally impossible the mod fucked up when phrasing the rule/sticky, right? Mods are infallible after all. They never made a mistake like 5th gen originally not being considered retro when the board was created and changing it a few weeks later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:28:45 2020 No.6586757 >>6586745 Except for PC games, for some retarded reason. Nobody will define what the platform means for that, if it's the hardware, OS, game date, or something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:29:17 2020 No.6586761 >>6586749 They're not infallible but the rules were carefully written and clear. That you don't like what they say doesn't matter to anyone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:30:20 2020 No.6586763 >>6586757 Windows 9X counts as a platform for example. This is blatantly obvious to any reasonably intelligent person.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:32:13 2020 No.6586773 >>6586761 Yet remakes of retro games are allowed, despite the rules never mentioning it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:34:10 2020 No.6586780 File: 67 KB, 1280x720, sans_smash.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6586538 Someone needs to port Undertale to the Mega Drive so we can start having Undertale threads on /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:35:51 2020 No.6586785 >>6586757 "platform" has never been part of the rule for computer games in the first place, only the games' release date counts for computer games you only want to come up with a "platform" to further misinterpret the rules

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:36:57 2020 No.6586790

>>6586785
>"platform" has never been part of the rule for computer games in the first place, only the games' release date counts for computer games
Why the double standard?
The same logic should be applied to console games too. No games released after 1999 allowed, regardless of platform, period.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:37:09 2020 No.6586792 >>6586780 You can 100% do it. Nudoom mods for classic doom are allowed. Daikatana for the N64 is also allowed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:39:49 2020 No.6586798 >>6586780 God no i hate this overrated meme game

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:42:14 2020 No.6586807 >>6586798 https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Community/PKHack/Undertale-For-SNES tick tock

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 14:43:55 2020 No.6586814 >>6586790 >Why the double standard? probably because computers are not aligned with console generations so you can't directly compare the two with one standard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:00:52 2020 No.6586867 >>6586814 Modernshit still creeps in with the platform loophole, even if you ban post-1999 PC games. Rules should be changed so that only 20+ year old console/computer/arcade/etc. games can be discussed on /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:08:49 2020 No.6586890 >>6586867 >platform loophole you mean people arguing about their own made up rules instead of actual rules? that's not a loophole in a "going around a rule" sense, that's a loophole in the "this bullshit keeps going in circles" sense

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:13:39 2020 No.6586902 >>6586890 No, the loophole that "this 20xx computer game isn't retro but is retro on <insert pre-y2k console here>".

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:24:28 2020 No.6586938 >>6586867 No, then shit consoles would become allowed after they reached 20 years. The rules are perfect as is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:28:41 2020 No.6586958 >>6586938 You mean like how it works in the real life and things become retro after a set amount of time?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:50:03 2020 No.6587015 >>6586958 he means like generations or eras have set dates and are not relative to current time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 15:54:39 2020 No.6587034 >>6587015 Look up the definition of "retro". It doesn't mean an era, generation or whatever you're claiming. It means how old something is, similar to the word Vintage, but that means even older than Retro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 16:18:20 2020 No.6587085 >>6587034 looked up 3 different definitions and none mention "how old" something is, only "from a previous period of time" a "period of time" is closer to a generation or era than a sliding point in time like you're trying to imply

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 16:36:23 2020 No.6587132 >>6586814 That doesn't matter, similar to arcades. Console bias doesn't define the rules here. They go by year of release, not generation. That's why we have DC but not PS2 etc.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 16:40:19 2020 No.6587138

>>6587085
>relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned

It doesn't have to refer to a specific era, anything relating to the past in that way is retro. Consoles had defined generations, but neither computer or arcade games did. Since this board isn't here to only talk about console games, the rules were written how they are.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:16:54 2020 No.6587241

>>6587034
So it sounds like you have a problem with this board using the word retro, so you should be begging them to change the word.
The rule about not allowing 6th gen is not going to change, ever.
If you want to advocate for changing the word retro to something else that's fine, but it seems like a waste of time to care about something so stupid. The rule isn't going to change, and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:19:33 2020 No.6587247 >>6587241 >The rule about not allowing 6th gen is not going to change, ever. Says you. They changed it to allow DC, they'll change it again to allow PS2 et al.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:41:51 2020 No.6587302 >>6587247 >they'll change it again to allow PS2 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:44:20 2020 No.6587317 >>6587247 >Says you. They changed it to allow DC, they'll change it again to allow PS2 et al. Not him but since 4chan staff has made it very clear they don't intend to change the rules again.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:49:17 2020 No.6587336

>>6581996
They have been deleted because of shitposting backseat moderators who derail the otherwise fine threads. If you go through archives you can find plenty of Deus Ex threads that lasted a natural lifespan, but those threads don't have backseat moderators shitting on the walls. I suspect it's just one salty guy who's doing the backseat moderating from mental illness reasons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:53:32 2020 No.6587352 >>6587336 The Doom generals literally mentions Deux Ex as a topic of discussion and no one gives a shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:57:03 2020 No.6587360 >>6587352 Just more proof that it's literally just some anal-retentive autist doing backseat moderating. I bet it's the same person shitting up this thread too.

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 17:59:27 2020 No.6587369

>>6587336
>projecting
Sounds like you've just revealed the 6th gen troll is just one mentally ill guy trying to shit on everything. I figured as much.
At least it's fun to watch you spiral into insanity while all your threads get deleted and you get mocked again and again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 18:01:12 2020 No.6587375 >>6585668 >opinions are subjective >anyway here's my dogshit opinion > I think its bad so don't bother playing it and forming your own opinion

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 18:06:13 2020 No.6587393 >>6587369 >u mad, u go insane lmao I see you were only pretending to be retarded. Haha, you sure got me. You don't even know what projection means. Look it up and feel ashamed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 18:10:55 2020 No.6587407 >>6587393 >seething

Anonymous Thu Jul 9 18:14:47 2020 No.6587419
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Never actually played the first game. Always heard it was jank as fuck and that it was better off just skipping. Is it worth taking a closer look at, or should it just be disregarded?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 21:22:15 2020 No.6587896 >>6580993 t. SEETHING zoomer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 21:26:49 2020 No.6587916 >>6583406 t. Weeb

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 23:07:46 2020 No.6588113 What is wrong with you people?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 23:12:25 2020 No.6588126 Not Retro, OP BTFO'd again

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 23:25:09 2020 No.6588148 >>6588126 stop replying to this thread, these heathens crave your attention. Let this trash thread wither away in peace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 23:27:30 2020 No.6588152 >>6588126 How was op btfo, the thread was never deleted

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 00:37:33 2020 No.6588293 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:17:51 2020 No.6588595 >>6587419 >Always heard it was why don't you play games instead of taking the hot opinions of strangers as gospel?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:43:42 2020 No.6588625 >>6587317 when

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 04:53:50 2020 No.6588645 >>6587302 >>6587317 And yet this thread of a PC game that came out after the release of the PS2 is still up. Really makes you think

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:16:09 2020 No.6588683 >>6586807 yea no, that's a dead hack of earthbound

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:17:14 2020 No.6588685 >>6588645 because it's a game designed for 1999 pc's

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:34:53 2020 No.6588719 >>6588685 it came out in 2000, therefore it was designed for 2000 pc's

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:38:34 2020 No.6588726 >>6588719 it doesn't require any hardware exclusive to 2000

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 05:41:36 2020 No.6588732 >>6588726 Neither did the Dreamcast

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:13:29 2020 No.6588793

>>6588645
There are PS1 games that came out when PS2 was already released, but you wouldn't complain if someone made a thread about PS1 game like that. You are suffering from cognitive dissonance or you're just being wilfully ignorant. Hitman came out for a 90s pc setup, it is therefore a retro game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:17:56 2020 No.6588803 >>6588793 >Hitman came out for a 90s pc setup so did Tony Hawk Underground 2

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:25:14 2020 No.6588819 >>6588803 No, it came out for Windows XP. The box literally says 95 and NT not supported.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:28:10 2020 No.6588823 >>6588793 >Hitman came out for a 90s pc setup moot point, that is not the rule rule for computer games is the game's release date

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:31:18 2020 No.6588826 >>6588823 it says no such thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:35:28 2020 No.6588834 File: 15 KB, 383x307, adaz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6588819 >No, it came out for Windows XP and yet you can play it on 98

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:36:31 2020 No.6588839 >>6588823 >making up your own rules Why are you being like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:41:17 2020 No.6588847 >>6588826 >>6588839 see >>6582002 >--> computer games [...] launched in 1999 and earlier <--

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:42:45 2020 No.6588853

>>6588823
No it isn't. You fucking illiterate retard. The rules are very simple and nowhere does it say computer games go by release date.

Stop saying this over and over you look like a complete moron and you're absolutely wrong. Get a fucking dictionary or more ESL classes or whatever the fuck you need, but stop shitting up this board because you don't understand basic English.

It boggles the mind how you can continue to be this fucking stupid. Holy shit man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:45:23 2020 No.6588859 >>6588847 >if i omit "on platforms", then it suits my agenda

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:46:13 2020 No.6588864 >>6579970 Any patches for the PC version? Last time I had some issues

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:47:57 2020 No.6588868 >>6588864 https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Hitman:_Codename_47#Essential_improvements PCGW should always be your first stop

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:49:19 2020 No.6588872 shit, i didn't know they started making them again this always happens when they reset the naming scheme, i see "hitman 2" and think "oh i've already played that" and think nothing of it

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:49:46 2020 No.6588874
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>>6588625
Back last year I think it was when they allowed for one meta board thread at a time to discuss changes. It turned out to be a clusterfuck here of course and when they shut that down again said they have no intention of changing that rule.

>>6588645
It shouldn't have to make you think that hard if you can read. The rules here don't care when a game was made, just what it runs on. Pier Solar came out long after the PS2 and it's retro under the rules.

They really shouldn't be hard for any of you to understand. That there's all this confusion is pretty sad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:50:57 2020 No.6588876 >>6588874 >The rules here don't care when a game was made, just what it runs on So any game that runs on Windows 98 is retro?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:51:36 2020 No.6588878 >>6588876 any game that runs on a pc with parts older than 2000

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:51:59 2020 No.6588879 >>6588878 even if it barely runs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:55:19 2020 No.6588883 >>6588879 if it's playable, not sure exactly where you'd cut it off, don't see why not if the game's official requirements list nothing that is dated past 2000, then it's certainly allowed

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:55:37 2020 No.6588884
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>>6588834
If you set your narrow view little bit to the right, you can see the the operating systems 2000 and XP. Thing about computer games is that they're usually more or less backwards compatible with older systems they're not directly supported by if the OS architecture is close enough. You might as well say Tony Hawk's Underground 2 is also a MsDOS game because Windows 98 is running on top of MsDOS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:56:43 2020 No.6588889 >>6588879 >>6588883 dated past 1999, of course i meant i don't think the windows version is really relevant, provided of course the version in question itself can run on a 1999 machine

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 06:59:57 2020 No.6588895 >>6588884 >If you set your narrow view little bit to the right, you can see the the operating systems 2000 and XP Doesn't matter, if it runs on 98 it's on a platform made before 1999 so it's retro

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:07:04 2020 No.6588904

>>6588895
not him, but i don't think counting windows version alone is in line with the spirit of the rules
yes, windows is a platform the game runs on, but the rules clearly intend to refer to hardware platforms
if we went by windows version alone, then that opens the door to tons of very modern games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Op8nXkkYc

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:09:26 2020 No.6588906 >>6588904 maybe that shows a problem with the current rules then. The best thing we can do at the moment to see if a PC game is considered retro is just to make a thread about it and see if mods decide to delete it or not

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:11:29 2020 No.6588910

>>6588874
>The rules here don't care when a game was made, just what it runs on.
>>6588878
>any game that runs on a pc with parts older than 2000
>>6588895
>if it runs on 98 it's on a platform made before 1999 so it's retro

that is not the rule
for computer games it's the game's release date

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:12:31 2020 No.6588913 >>6588859 >i will add "on platforms" to only select points, even if the whole sentence loses coherence and sense

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:13:42 2020 No.6588916

>>6588906
it should be safe to post any game where the minimum official requirements list only components that existed up to 1999
like who would possibly complain about a game that recommended 64M ram, a Pentium II, and any 3D accellerator? this was common hardware in 1999
other than that, yes, it's up to the mods

>>6588910
>>6588913
give it up, mate, this thread is too old and large to have been missed by a mod, it's clearly allowed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:13:46 2020 No.6588917 >6588853 >again nothing but ad hominem and factual lies not even worthy of a (You)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:14:35 2020 No.6588918 >>6588910 >for computer games it's the game's release date and apparently that's now 2000

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 07:50:20 2020 No.6588971

>>6588876
Exactly.

>>6588916
>that is not the rule

>>6588910
>that is not the rule
for computer games it's the game's release date

NO. You are wrong wrong WRONG. You stupid illiterate child. The rules say nothing of the sort. Shut the fuck up until you can understand basic English.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:01:15 2020 No.6588990 File: 9 KB, 811x185, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6588971 it's literally in the sticky and rules, through see >>6582002

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:02:17 2020 No.6588992 *though

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:17:50 2020 No.6589025
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>>6588990
let me catch my son picking the words he wants to read
clearly,
>This board is for the discussion of pinball games. consoles are not considered retro.
this is a pinball board, no consoles allowed, you can see from the words i highlighted that this is the case

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:26:19 2020 No.6589034 >i am silly

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:38:06 2020 No.6589061
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>>6588595
While I could, going into it with the only information I have being "janky version of Hitman" doesn't make it sound too appealing. Still will probably check it out eventually, but it's low on the list right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:42:22 2020 No.6589065 What a fucking thread.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 08:52:01 2020 No.6589084
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>>6589065
Since it's almost 3 days old and has constantly been on the front page, I think the mods allow it. Why's it even a big deal if some games from 2003/2004 at the latest slip through? They were mostly just better versions of 5th gen games around that time anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:09:45 2020 No.6589107 The rules are: >games on any system released before 2000 are allowed >for computer games, if it runs well on a 90's computer, it's allowed >multiplayer games however, such a counter-strike, aren't allowed >remakes of retro games are allowed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:14:11 2020 No.6589114 >>6589107 >Source(s): dude trust me

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:15:53 2020 No.6589117 >>6589114 My view are based off which threads are allowed to stay up and which threads get deleted my mods

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:23:35 2020 No.6589124 >>6588990 Why didn't you highlight the platofrms part? >on PLATFORMS launched in 1999 or earlier Hitman was released for late 90s computer setups.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:29:56 2020 No.6589130 >>6589117 The mods allow games which they played and found cool, it's naive to think they would be checking the system requirements for every game posted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:31:45 2020 No.6589135 >>6589130 But that would be abuse of power, which is against the rules. No one would do such a thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 09:57:39 2020 No.6589169 >>6589124 >Why didn't you highlight the platofrms part? because it's not a part of the 'computer games' point, only the 'other games' point (it would make no sense if it would be) see >>6582002, >>>/v/516253492

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:01:52 2020 No.6589180 >>6589169 if it weren't against the rules why is this thread still up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:03:58 2020 No.6589185 >>6589135 You're right, I didn't think of that, silly me

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:08:57 2020 No.6589191

>>6589169
>because it's not a part of the 'computer games' point

It's literally in the same sentence. Computer games, arcade games, and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier. You're intentionally ignoring it for reasons only a psychologist can answer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:28:18 2020 No.6589229 B U M P U M P

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:32:02 2020 No.6589239

>>6589191
>It's literally in the same sentence
the sentence contains distinct points (do you know how commas work?)

>Computer games, arcade games, and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier
you omitted "consoles" from the sentence, also capitalized "Computer" as if that was the beginning of the sentence

while making a point about ignoring parts of a sentence

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:32:37 2020 No.6589240 >>6589239 Why is the thread still up then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:33:16 2020 No.6589243 >>6589180 at this point i would assume mods let the meta-discussion slide in this one thread because if it were deleted, the 2000fags would just create another angrier thread and restart the whole discussion

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:34:18 2020 No.6589247 >>6589240 see >>6589243 definitely not because Hitman is discussed

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:36:47 2020 No.6589253 >>6589247 Meta threads belong in /qa/ This is a Hitman thread cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 10:54:04 2020 No.6589302 bump

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:10:56 2020 No.6589330

>>6589239
I capitalized computer because it was the beginning of my sentence. Consoles, computer games, arcade games, etc. it's all listed in the rules as retro games as long as the platforms are launched in 1999 or earlier. Hitman was released on 90s computers and it's just as retro as N64 games released in early 00s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:24:02 2020 No.6589374 le bump~

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:28:45 2020 No.6589389

>>6589330
you only paraphrase or post the sentence incomplete, never full and unmodified
then you use that as your argument for what the original sentence from the rules/sticky supposedly says
not once you have even attempted to make a logical explanation how the _full sentence_ supposedly implies "platforms" applies to the point about computer games (because logically it doesn't)

what specific hardware or software a computer game targeted is irrelevant because for computer games, the rule applies to the game's release date

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:31:52 2020 No.6589408 >>6582938 There are tons of post 2000 games that are compatible with N64 and PS1.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:44:50 2020 No.6589458 >>6579970 /vr/ should fucking die at this point

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 11:53:34 2020 No.6589493

>>6589389
You literally posted the screenshot of the rules with highlighted parts excluding the computer part. I emphasized the part which you ignored. Nowhere in that rule does it say the rules don't apply for computer games, you literally made that up. The sticky literally, LITERALLY says:
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Read that as many times as you need. Hitman runs on platform from late 90s, it was designed to be run on late 90s hardware, it was programmed for late 90s computers. By what logic is Hitman not retro? If this was about Hitman 2: Silent Assassin, you might have a point because it's a multiplatform game, but Hitman 1, aka Hitman: Codename 47 is a PC exclusive for late 90s computers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:13:00 2020 No.6589543 >>6589084 >Why's it even a big deal if some games from 2003/2004 at the latest slip through? Because fuck zoomers and fuck their childhood. We don't need their gay shitposting on here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:18:56 2020 No.6589557 >>6589543 what year were you born?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:20:03 2020 No.6589560 >>6589557 1970

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:22:52 2020 No.6589564 >>6589560 that would make you at least one generation older than just about everyone else here would you rather be talking to yourself?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:25:52 2020 No.6589572

>>6589493
the screenshot still includes the full sentence. highlighting is not equivalent to ignoring or omitting everything not highlighted. highlighting is just that, highlighting (making something more visible), it doesn't hide anything not highlighted

you continue to use only a fragment of the sentence with changed semantics as your argument.
you ignore that the "on platforms..." bit applies only to the last point on the list ("other forms of video games") and not to all listed points like you try to impose. you continuously ignore that with those semantics "consoles on platforms..." makes no sense, "arcade games (including pinball) on platforms..." makes no sense and "computer games on platforms" you want to make sense but then it could just say "computers".

it says "computer games" because for computer games, the computer game's release date is what counts
it says "consoles" because for console games, the console's release date is what counts

Hitman (a computer game) was released in 2000, therefore it's not retro as far as /vr/ rules go

>Hitman 1, aka Hitman: Codename 47 is a PC exclusive for late 90s computers
aside the moot point about the hardware, it's actually not exclusive to late 90s computers. you can run it on 2000s computers

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:29:53 2020 No.6589585
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>>6589560
You're not too far off from being a legitimate Baby Boomer if that's the case. Like, you could be my father's younger brother. He, however, thinks the PS2 and Genesis are the best consoles of all time,

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:48:11 2020 No.6589624

>>6589572
>the screenshot still includes the full sentence. highlighting is not equivalent to ignoring or omitting everything not highlighted. highlighting is just that, highlighting (making something more visible), it doesn't hide anything not highlighted

That's cognitive dissonance or some kind of doublethink on your part. You acknowledge the rules including computers as platform, but you ignore it when structuring your argument.

>you continue to use only a fragment of the sentence with changed semantics as your argument.

That's you! You're the one doing that! Instead of looking at the whole context, you split it in pieces and interpret it in separate chunks for reasons unknown.

>you ignore that the "on platforms..." bit applies only to the last point on the list ("other forms of video games") and not to all listed points like you try to impose.

Who said it only applies only to the last point on the list? You're making it up. It lists the typical types of retro gaming platforms and seals it up with general "--and any other games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier" to leave room for mods, romhacks and everything else retro gaming.

>you continuously ignore that with those semantics "consoles on platforms..." makes no sense, "arcade games (including pinball) on platforms..." makes no sense and "computer games on platforms" you want to make sense but then it could just say "computers"
>it says "computer games" because for computer games, the computer game's release date is what counts
>it says "consoles" because for console games, the console's release date is what counts

It doesn't say anything about the game release dates. Please quote the rule or take screenshot of the rule that says that. You're making up your own rules. It lists computers and consoles separately for the same reason it lists arcade machines separately.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 12:58:31 2020 No.6589647 >>6589564 >would you rather be talking to yourself? Unironically would be better than seeing /vr/ turn into a zoomer shithole if y2k systems were to be allowed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 13:15:09 2020 No.6589683 >>6589624 it's like you don't even read the posts you reply to

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 13:30:30 2020 No.6589728 >>6589683 I'm the one who does reading, you just look at the words and see what you want to see. It's fine and reasonable if you don't like the rules, but you can't just make up your own rules and act shocked when people can't live by your imagination.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:17:40 2020 No.6590370 buuuuuuuuuuuuump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:19:27 2020 No.6590378 >>6588990 That's not how language works you absolute fucking retard. If you're seriously not trolling at this point you have to be one if the stupidest people on the face of the earth. You are genuinely illiterate, it's amazing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:20:29 2020 No.6590381 >>6589169 No you fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up. You're so god damned stupid. Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:22:36 2020 No.6590392 >>6588990 If you knew how to English, you would know it should be read as "console games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier."

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:28:46 2020 No.6590407

>>6590392
No it shouldn't. If it was supposed to say that it would. Shit you're a whole other level of retard. Are you even over 18? How is this level if illiteracy possible? How do you even function in the world if this is your degree of reading comprehension?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:30:16 2020 No.6590410 >>6590378 >>6590381 >>6590392 >calls illiterate and stupid >outright changes the text

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:31:27 2020 No.6590413 >>6590407 >>6590392 >>6590378 What's the point of all this? You're clearly not gonna convince each other of anything. This is just a wait of time You could be doing so much better things meanwhile, let this thread die already

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:32:29 2020 No.6590416 >>6590413 waste*

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:43:59 2020 No.6590440 >>6590413 Because the only thing /vr/ is good for is forced outrage and gatekeeping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:55:48 2020 No.6590483 File: 197 KB, 556x610, 1593281864443.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6584402 >once all of 6th gen is allowed on /vr/. Good thing that's never going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:55:59 2020 No.6590485 >>6590410 "Consoles" was a typo. All the other items in the list refer to games, which logically means the first item should have as well. Not that any of this matters because 4chan's admin team are cucks and won't speak with authority on this issue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 17:56:07 2020 No.6590487 >>6589458 >if i don't get my way, the entire board should be shut down The absolute state of 6th gen gang. Back to your containment board you go http://4chan.org/v

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:01:53 2020 No.6590496

>>6590410
I have changed no text. I read the full sentence as its supposed to ve read, not chopping it up and ignoring parts. That you don't understand that only highlights your abject ignorance.

>>6590413
Because he's been shitting up threads literally for years with this same bullshit and I'm finally tired of it. The dude can't read, he's a fucking moron but he will come along abd shitpost up any thread he deems doesn't fit because he can't understand a simple sentence.

At this point I really just want to punch him in his stupid face for needlessly derailing so many threads. But as that's not an option I will just yell at him for being a worthless illiterate troll.

Forever if need be, because his willful ignorance is genuinely disgusting to me.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:02:22 2020 No.6590498

>>6584404
Based.
>>6584441
>It's just that the rules dictate that any PC games released after Dec 31st 1999 aren't allowed.
It doesn't say that anywhere. Refer to the sticky.
>>6588910
>>6588910
>>6588910
>>6588910
>for computer games it's the game's release date
Where does it say that? ROFL
So according to angry 6th gen babbies:
For arcade games and consoles, the platform is what matters. But for some reason, for computer games all that matters is the game's release date, not the platform. Even though this is nowhere to be found in the rules and is not enforced.
Why did these retards make this rule up, is it just out of frustration from their PS2 threads getting deleted?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:04:34 2020 No.6590503

>>6590498
>Why did these retards make this rule up, is it just out of frustration from their PS2 threads getting deleted?
Of course it is. It's usually just one shitposter losing his fucking mind, as he does in any thread he doesn't deem "retro" because he's not allowed to discuss his PS2 here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:04:57 2020 No.6590505 >>6590496 >Because he's been shitting up threads literally for years makes dozens of 6th gen threads every week which are quickly deleted thanks to based mods Who's shitting up what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:05:39 2020 No.6590509 >>6590505 Have you actually read the thread you're currently posting in?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:16:08 2020 No.6590530 >>6590503 They're either 6th gen babbies or butthurt CStards because 2000 online multiplayer games aren't allowed here

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:26:30 2020 No.6590562

>>6590509
Yes, look directly under your post for example at >>6590530
Obviously it's false-flagging, nowhere in the rules does it state any exception for online multiplayer games, the poster is just angry and desperate for attention.
It's sad to watch you 6th gen faggots be so pathetic but it's also very funny how mad you are over such a simple rule (only games launched on platforms from before 2000 allowed)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:27:11 2020 No.6590563 File: 117 KB, 512x505, pso.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6590530 >because 2000 online multiplayer games aren't allowed here O'rly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:28:20 2020 No.6590565 >>6590530 >they want to talk about '00 games so they say that '00 games are not allowed this makes sense, how?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:29:22 2020 No.6590567 >>6590562 Who the fuck are you even replying to? You asked about 6th gen kiddos shitting up threads. I pointed out to you that you are, in fact, currently in one of the aforementioned threads. That's it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:32:08 2020 No.6590574 >>6590563 PC games >>6590565 Counter-Strike, while compatible with a 90s computer, was known for its community servers and lanhouse matches which peaked in early 2000's, way before the retro era ended. No one played singleplayer Counter-Strike

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:39:18 2020 No.6590585 >>6590567 I thought you were remarking that anti-6th gen posters were in fact shitting up everything. >>6590574 >PC games What rule is that? One you pulled out of your ass just now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:41:40 2020 No.6590587 >>6580878 one of the best levels in hitman ever I was blown away with it in 2001, literally was this time of year too made me a hitman fan from then on

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:43:26 2020 No.6590594 >>6590585 This isn't pulling out of my ass. This is in basis of observation of which threads get deleted by mods and which threads are kept. You'd probably reach the same conclusion if you did the same

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:45:44 2020 No.6590597 Keep coping 2000's games will be forever garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:46:40 2020 No.6590604 >>6590597 I agree but that doesn't mean they're not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:49:51 2020 No.6590612 >>6590597 Imagine thinking games from 2000 aren't vastly superior to the shit that gets made in current year.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 18:59:37 2020 No.6590642 >>6590594 How many threads are you going to spam with this shit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:00:52 2020 No.6590646 >>6590612 Current year games are much better than PS2 games >muh ratchet and clank! 5th gen > modern games > 6th gen 5th gen gang rise up!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:03:27 2020 No.6590656 >>6590642 How am I wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:04:45 2020 No.6590662 Hitman was never good like all 00's games. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:05:25 2020 No.6590665 >>6590662 But Hitman is a 2000 game

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:06:39 2020 No.6590670

>>6590656
Games launched on platforms released in 1999 or earlier are allowed and games not launched on platforms released in 1999 or earlier are not allowed.
Simple as.
Nothing about whether a game is single or multi player, nothing about what you "personally observed"
You're just a retarded faggot who thinks he's smart and likes shitty games. You'll never be anything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:10:32 2020 No.6590678 >>6590670 But Counter-Strike was released for Windows 95/98, as well as Hitman. However only the latter is retro The only logical reason is that CS is an online game whoe community peaked in early 00s. I never said Hitman was a shit game

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:13:51 2020 No.6590690 >>6590678 Cs1.6 is a mod of a retro game (Half Life). Mods, hacks, etc. of retro games are allowed on /vr/. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:14:46 2020 No.6590693 >>6590690 No they aren't. Because CS 1.6 threads get constantly deleted by moderators. Therefore they're not considered retro by them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:18:03 2020 No.6590702 File: 936 KB, 354x417, 1550315830543.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6590693 Is it really constantly? Because I only recall seeing the one from the other day.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:18:15 2020 No.6590703 >>6590693 Then the mods are retards. If the romhacking general and doom generals are allowed, which post a shit ton of recently made mods and hacks, then so should Counterstrike threads.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:19:05 2020 No.6590708 >>6590702 You're free to create a CS 1.6 thread as see what happens

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:38:43 2020 No.6590785 It's like non Doom fps are cringe and garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:39:41 2020 No.6590789 >>6590785 Ok you're allowed to have this opinion but that doesn't mean they're not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:39:42 2020 No.6590790 >>6590690 CS 1.6 is a standalone game CS 1.5 was the last Half-Life mod version >>6590702 one was moved to /v/, one was deleted

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:41:10 2020 No.6590797 File: 210 KB, 447x418, 1547967988519.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6590708 I don't want to talk about CS anyway. I'd rather talk about Gunman Chronicles when it comes to post 90's shooters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 19:44:15 2020 No.6590808 >>6590797 If my what I said is correct, then Gunman Chronicles should be considered retro. Go ahead

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:07:59 2020 No.6590872 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:32:07 2020 No.6590957 File: 34 KB, 615x309, 15.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is pic related retro? Can I discuss this game here without getting banned? Serious question

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:38:07 2020 No.6590968 >>6590789 Goldeneye, Half Life and CS should be banned for ruining the fps genre.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:38:32 2020 No.6590971 >>6590957 Is that Serious Sam: The First Encounter? If so, it's not retro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:39:09 2020 No.6590972 >>6590968 Ok but that doesn't mean they're not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:39:42 2020 No.6590976 >>6590972 yes it does zoomie.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:39:55 2020 No.6590978

>>6590505
This thread is still up. But many have been deleted because they turn into just huge fights.

That's your agenda and we both know it. Your anti PC bias is blatant and you will derail or get deleted any thread you can just because you're too fucking stupid to read a whole sentence.

I know none of this will make sense because you've already proven you're a mongoloid sub-human autist, but still from the bottom of my heart, do us all a favor and go die in a fire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:40:15 2020 No.6590979 >>6590976 Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:41:15 2020 No.6590984 >>6590979 Zoomers loves those games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:41:55 2020 No.6590985 >>6590984 That doesn't make it not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:47:06 2020 No.6590995 >>6590971 do you have something against croatians?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 20:51:22 2020 No.6591013 >>6590984 Are you the same turbo-tard who makes all those >how often do you think this character was raped and shit! Threads? Honestly now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:05:21 2020 No.6591043 >>6590957 >Windows 95 Check >AMD 56-3 400MHz Check >64MB RAM Check >full OpenGL compliant 3Daccelerator Check If we're going by the "it's released on an unmodified 90's computer" rule. There should be no reason for a Serious Sam thread get deleted

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:09:07 2020 No.6591051 /vr/ has good taste in gaming. Stay mad zoomers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:10:11 2020 No.6591054 Huh?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:11:56 2020 No.6591060 >>6590957 >>6590995 >>6591043 Serious Sam needs non-retro versions of OpenGL/DirectX in order to run, thus it's not retro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:13:04 2020 No.6591062 >>6591060 Fair enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:15:50 2020 No.6591073 >>6591060 BASADO Zoomers BTFO, again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:16:43 2020 No.6591074 >>6591060 But OGL/DX isn't the platform, the operating system is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:21:06 2020 No.6591083 >Counter Strike, Half Life, Halo, Serious Sam why zoomers have shit taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:39:36 2020 No.6591130 File: 91 KB, 377x449, 1566582753004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6591060 Actually supports OpenGL versions all the way back to 1.1, which came out in '97.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:40:52 2020 No.6591136 >>6591074 >But OGL/DX isn't the platform, the operating system is. No, the computer is the platform. A computer includes hardware like a CPU and RAM, and software like OSs and APIs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:42:20 2020 No.6591141 >>6586773 Remakes of retro games aren't allowed are they? You couldn't talk about the 3DS remake of fire emblem: Gaiden, that's seems obviously against the rules.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:44:09 2020 No.6591148 >>6588719 No? games are designed for hardware available during the production of the game, not for hardware available after the production of the game, I thought.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:52:06 2020 No.6591173
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>Retro gaming means ... computer games... on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

The implication seems to be that the game is *developed* for these specific platforms, not just that it runs on these platforms. Pier solar is allowed, and numerous other new-games-for-old-consoles are allowed because they are made by the developers to run specific hardware/software that is pre-2000. This is always going to be messy with computer games, but if a game is designed in order to run on hardware of the time then it seems fine. This is different than the game running on the hardware of the time just by coincidence, I'm sure I could back-port Axiom Verge to the Dreamcast and it would work fine, but that's disingenuous reading of the rules.

Ultimately, that's really what the spirit of the board is about; Retro gaming has a distinctive flair and flavor both because design philosophies were different at the time AND ALSO because the limitations of hardware/software forced innovative and creative problem solving on the part of developers. They couldn't just throw processing power at the problem and that's part of why retro gaming feels like such a distinct type of thing, so anchoring the titles that we can discuss to hardware seems like a fine compromise to make.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:52:38 2020 No.6591175 >>6591141 They are, retardedly enough. The only remakes that should be allowed are remasters. Remakes that completely alter the original game, such as the Final Fantasy 7 one, should be out of the question.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 21:59:46 2020 No.6591204

>>6591175
And you'll notice those threads along with say the ds remakes of Dragon Quest 4-6 do get deleted. If it's a thread about the original but inside there's discussion of remakes that's fine but if it's a thread made about the remake it's more often caught.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:11:46 2020 No.6591236 bump~

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:13:44 2020 No.6591246

>>6591173
>Retro gaming means ... computer games... on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
again selective reading leading to misinterpretation
"on platforms" applies only to "other forms of video games", it does not apply to the other points because it would make no sense if it did

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:14:26 2020 No.6591252 >>6591246 why isn't this thread deleted then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:15:33 2020 No.6591253 >>6591252 see >>6589243

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:17:59 2020 No.6591257 >>6591253 see >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:18:39 2020 No.6591261 >>6591246 why would that make no sense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:21:12 2020 No.6591268 >>6591261 >>6591246 Please don't start this shit all over again And who's the retard that keeps bumping this thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:21:20 2020 No.6591269 >>6591246 No you stupid retard. I don't know how you can function and misunderstand language this hard. Hot damn.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:23:34 2020 No.6591273

>>6591261
full sentence from sticky
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

factually correct reasoning
>consoles [...] launched in 1999 and earlier
>computer games [...] launched in 1999 and earlier
>arcade games (including pinball) [...] launched in 1999 and earlier
> any other forms of video games on platforms [...] launched in 1999 and earlier

illiterate reasoning
>consoles [on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.], <-- nonsense
>computer games [on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier], <-- reaching but then it could be less complicated
>arcade games (including pinball) [on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier] <-- nonsense
>and any other forms of video games [on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:24:18 2020 No.6591279 >>6591273 shut up retard

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:25:50 2020 No.6591283

>>6591273
yeah, where is your fucking modus ponens, asshole? do you have an argument for why the above is "factually correct reasoning" and why the bottom is "illiterate reasoning?" Because from what I'm looking at, the rule is just ambiguous and you can make logical inferences in either direction, and you're just mad about that fact for what I can only assume to be autistic reasons.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:26:42 2020 No.6591286 >ad hominem

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:27:36 2020 No.6591290 >>6591286 see>>6591279 and>>6591257

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:28:13 2020 No.6591292
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>>6591273
Mod's don't delete new-games-for-old-consoles threads. But I sure as shit bet they'd delete a thread for fucking Half Life 2 if someone made one. If what's de facto the case allows us to make some inference onto what admins meant for the case de jure to be, then you're squarely in the wrong, MY MAN

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:32:40 2020 No.6591301

>>6591292
>Mod's don't delete new-games-for-old-consoles threads.
because for console games, console release date is what matters, not the game release date
>But I sure as shit bet they'd delete a thread for fucking Half Life 2 if someone made one
for computer games, game release date is what matter
HL2 was released way past 1999 so yes it would probably be deleted or moved to /v/

both your examples comply with >>6591273 so what's your point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:34:36 2020 No.6591305 >>6591292 >if someone made one The thing is, it would require so much effort to put HL2 into the Dreamcast that the end result could as well be considered a different game, the same effort could be put into making a regular homebrew

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:37:54 2020 No.6591310
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>>6591301
my problem is what is the fucking difference? PC's are substitutes for consoles, why this bizzare double standard? I can talk about Sengoku 3, a game made in 2001 to run on a platform released before 1999, but I can't talk about Hitman, a game made in 2000 to run on a platform released before 1999, and the reason is because we're judging these platforms differently? and you're reading all that from this single sentence of the rules? What are you, a fucking constitutional originalist? What kind of nonsense is that? The rules are obviously intended to allow games made for platforms launched 1999 and before, not to imply a bizarre and unreasonable double standard for a launch date differential between PC titles and console titles. Like fuck me, Dino Crisis was released for Dreamcast in 1999 and Windows in 2000. Even though it's the SAME FUCKING GAME, I'm not allowed to talk about the Windows version?

don't you see THAT is what is nonsense?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:40:21 2020 No.6591314 File: 59 KB, 750x731, 1573327981218.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6591310 He just wants to keep out any games that may have been on 6th gen consoles, because apparently zoomers like them, despite being in diapers, or not even born yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:41:30 2020 No.6591317 >>6591314 Well he's gonna have a hard fucking time doing that, half the fucking dreamcast library is on the gamecube.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:42:54 2020 No.6591321 >>6591317 Dreamcast is a 6th gen console anyway, but I'm sure if he had his way, it wouldn't be allowed either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:48:11 2020 No.6591335 This was always one of my favourite games, so i can't say I have no bias; but I think you're completely wrong. The soundtrack is iconic and unique, the levels and puzzle elements are well thought out, and the voice acting is memorable.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:48:27 2020 No.6591336

>>6591273
>arcade games on platforms launched in 1999 or earlier

that's not nonsense? You know that arcade hardware changes over time right, not every arcade game is mounted on the same console my man.

>computer games, arcade games, and any other forms of video games released on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier

That makes perfect sense, and supports the idea that Hitman, which is a computer game made for a platform launched before 1999, should be permitted. Your argument seems to hinge on that it says "consoles" and not "console games," which is a fucking bad argument my man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 22:55:10 2020 No.6591348 Your childhood was garbage.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:04:49 2020 No.6591364

>>6591310
a console has one baseline configuration, a computer has a gorillion different configurations with variable mileage for each game. makes sense that the rules can have a disparity.
game release date for computer games just makes a simpler rule to check and follow. for console games, the console itself is easy enough to check against.

why can't you just make a thread on /v/ instead, where all video games are allowed?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:10:47 2020 No.6591373

>>6591336
>Your argument seems to hinge on that it says "consoles" and not "console games,"
your counter-argument hinges on changing the wording of the rule

>You know that arcade hardware changes over time right, not every arcade game is mounted on the same console my man.
i don't follow arcade game threads
what difference does it make to the game if it runs on arcade hardware A or arcade hardware B?

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:19:57 2020 No.6591396

>>6591310
>I can't talk about Hitman
You're in a fucking Hitman thread, retard false flagger.
>>6591314
False flagging 6th gen cringe anime poster.
>>6591364
Wrong and false flagging. That's not the rule. The rule is simple. Games for platforms before 2000. If it can run on a 1999 computer (unmodified with 2001, 2005, 2010 hardware or software) then it's retro. Hitman is retro. It runs on a computer you could buy in 1999. Shitty junk like Halo is not retro and can't run on a 1999 computer without that computer getting some upgrades.

Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:22:54 2020 No.6591404

>>6591396
Yes retard, I know this thread exists, but they are arguing that it SHOULDN'T exist, or, in other words, they are arguing that I should not be allowed to be in a Hitman thread. Do you understand that I am arguing against that perspective, or what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:23:44 2020 No.6591408 >>6591314 When do you think Gen Z starts? The oldest zoomers would've been 6 years old when sixth gen ended with the release of the 360, plenty of time for them to have started gaming on a PS2, Gamecube, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:24:51 2020 No.6591409 >>6591408 You were playing fucking video games when you were 6 years old? Jesus christ.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:25:33 2020 No.6591412 >>6591408 Dude I'm a 32 year old zoomer

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:27:09 2020 No.6591416 >>6591364 i thought older consoles had all kinds of add-ons to change that baseline configuration? Also, uhh, /v/ is a fucking nightmare and making a thread about a game thats more than 10 years old is 90% of the time a non-started.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:28:33 2020 No.6591419 >>6591412 The oldest of zoomers were born in 1996, that makes them 24.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:29:14 2020 No.6591421 >>6591409 It's not that surprising I remember playing dos games when I was around 8.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:29:21 2020 No.6591423 >>6591409 Born in 89, I started playing vidya at 3yo, my parents gifted me a Sega Genesis after loving playing my sister's NES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:35:16 2020 No.6591439 >>6591421 >>6591423 Fuck that, I didn't play my first video game until I was 12. I missed the boat I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 10 23:52:55 2020 No.6591479 bumpzzzz

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 01:17:24 2020 No.6591648
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>>6591479
there is no reason to bump this thread. Until the mods decide to step in and definitively clarify the rules, this is just a battle of autists vs. autists who think they are fucking legal scholars performing scriptural exegesis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:39:17 2020 No.6591805 Did we ever get an answer for why this year 2000 PC game is allowed but not the PS2, a year 2000 console?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:46:24 2020 No.6591817 >>6591805 This PC game was being developed in the late 90's, for a late 90's computer, and was released in 2000. PS2 games were being developed in the 2000's, for a computer made in the 2000's, and were released in the 2000's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:54:17 2020 No.6591834 >>6591805 because the next gen of consoles haven't launched yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 02:58:22 2020 No.6591846 >>6591805 https://boards.4channel.org/vr/thread/1392415/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 03:10:18 2020 No.6591872 >>6591805 Everything made before XP released is fair game because XP was the first to no longer be based on DOS which is a retro operating system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:09:38 2020 No.6591994 >>6591846 >Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier There's no clear definition on what constitutes a "PC Platform"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:29:35 2020 No.6592032 >>6591805 Yes, many times. The release date of the game doesn't matter, the launch date of the targeted platform is what matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:31:15 2020 No.6592036 >>6591994 >There's no clear definition on what constitutes a "PC Platform" Operating system is the only possible interpretation as it's the only constant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:32:34 2020 No.6592038 >>6592036 But that means any game that runs on Windows 98 is retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:36:39 2020 No.6592042 >>6591286 >ed eminem

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:40:22 2020 No.6592050 >>6592042 >slim shady

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 04:44:09 2020 No.6592053 >>6592038 If it runs on XP then it doesn't count as that means it was designed for a non-retro OS. This means any PC game released before October 25, 2001 is fair game.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:01:32 2020 No.6592083
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>>6592053
>If it runs on XP then it doesn't count as that means it was designed for a non-retro OS
But you said operating system is what counts as "1999 or earlier".
If a game is released for a retro system after 1999 (like puyo puyo fever getting released on Dreamcast in 2004) is considered retro then a game that can run on windows 98 released in 2004 should also be considered retro.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:10:07 2020 No.6592101

>>6592083
>then a game that can run on windows 98 released in 2004 should also be considered retro.
No because that game was made to run on XP a non-retro OS. If the game was released past the XP release but only ran on windows 98 then it would be allowed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:14:49 2020 No.6592105 >>6592101 >If the game was released past the XP release but only ran on windows 98 then it would be allowed. but Hitman doesn't only run on Windows 98, it runs on Windows ME which came out in 2000 so it's not a retro OS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:29:51 2020 No.6592131 >>6592105 Windows ME is still based on DOS which is a retro OS. XP is the first Windows operating system to not be based on DOS and is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:30:46 2020 No.6592135 >>6592131 >Windows ME is still based on DOS which is a retro OS doesn't matter, it came out after 2000

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:39:50 2020 No.6592147 >>6592135 It does matter because it is built on a retro OS. If coming out after 2000 is reason enough for it to not count despite releasing for a retro OS then you are arguing against your own previous point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:40:25 2020 No.6592149 >>6592147 >If coming out after 2000 is reason enough for it to not count despite releasing for a retro OS It's not releasing for a retro OS, it is a separate OS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:42:18 2020 No.6592153 >>6592149 An OS built on DOS thus it is retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:43:14 2020 No.6592156 >>6592153 so then any game that runs on it is retro, correct? Otherwise you're going against what the sticky means.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:45:12 2020 No.6592158 >>6592156 Any game that runs on that OS but doesn't run on XP. We already went over this. You are dense as fuck.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 05:52:48 2020 No.6592173
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>>6592158
>Any game that runs on that OS but doesn't run on XP
That isn't what the sticky means.
Let me ask you this.
Worms World Party came out in 2001 on PC and Dreamcast. On PC it runs on Win9x/2k/ME/XP.
Do you consider both the PC and Dreamcast versions of this game retro or only the Dreamcast version?

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 06:47:54 2020 No.6592238

>>6591396
>Games for platforms before 2000
not what the sticky says

>If it can run on a 1999 computer (unmodified with 2001, 2005, 2010 hardware or software) then it's retro.
you're making this up
for computer games, it's the game that matters, not the hardware or software

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 06:53:37 2020 No.6592245 >>6592036 >Operating system is the only possible interpretation as it's the only constant. it's not constant at all. computer games never target a single operating system.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 06:57:41 2020 No.6592260

>>6592131
>Windows ME is still based on DOS which is a retro OS.
you are making rules up on the fly
your "operating system" rule is not constant at all
you constantly need to refine and clarify your rule with new details

the rule is simpler - os doesn't matter. hardware also doesn't matter. the computer game's release date matters.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 07:02:25 2020 No.6592270

>>6591060
so if an N64 game was built with an SDK version from 2000, it's not allowed? because that's basically what you're saying
oh and no, serious sam doesn't require a version of opengl that didn't exist in 1999, if it did, it wouldn't literally list video cards that existed in 1999

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 07:05:18 2020 No.6592276 >>6591805 because pc games from 2000 run on 1999 hardware no ps2 game runs on 1999 hardware

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 07:06:54 2020 No.6592279 >>6592131 what? XP is based on NT which is from 1993 your post makes zero sense

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 07:47:57 2020 No.6592332

>>6592270
Not him but it wouldn't matter what it was developed on, just what it will run on. No one cares what Peir solar was programmed on or what modern tools were used to make it. It runs on a Sega Genesis so it's fair game by our wacky rules.

And so then yes the same is true for anything you can make run on Windows 9X machine.

The rules are dumb and backwards but they are what they are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 07:56:27 2020 No.6592347 >>6592332 >the same is true for anything you can make run on Windows 9X machine wrong for computer games, the game's release date is what matters

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 08:01:38 2020 No.6592352 >>6592347 just stop, you're embarrasing yourself

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 12:15:25 2020 No.6592818

>>6592260
>the rule is simpler - os doesn't matter. hardware also doesn't matter. the computer game's release date matters.
This but also should be applied to console games so that faggots can't get away with discussing Cave Story, Undertale and any other cringe and soipilled indie modernshit that they ported to retro consoles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 13:07:58 2020 No.6592948 Name ONE other game you can hug a chinese man while he takes a piss in an alley. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 13:09:43 2020 No.6592957 Anyone who obsesses over /vr/'s "release date" rules to autistic hairsplitting degrees should be shot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:15:49 2020 No.6593295 See, jannies, this shit is what you get for leaving off-topic crap alive.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 15:32:51 2020 No.6593343
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>>6591301
>>6591364
>>6592332
>>6592347
>>6592245
>>6592260
>>6592238
>>6592173
>>6592149

Imagine a game that someone builds from the ground-up to run on DOSBOX. Are we allowed to discuss it? How is it different than Pier Solar? It would only be different if the decisive factor was that hardware of the genesis, compared to the hardware of a modern computer. But by that logic, I shouldn't be allowed to talk about retro games that I emulate, since they're not running on the hardware of an actual genesis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 16:01:47 2020 No.6593405 NEW THREAD: >>6593350 >>6593350 >>6593350 >>6593350 >>6593350

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:26:44 2020 No.6593618 >>6593405 DELETED THREAD not retro, never will be

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:28:02 2020 No.6593621 >>6593612 Why wasn't this one deleted, then? Strange...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:31:04 2020 No.6593627 >>6593621 Mods are incompetent retards who stoke the flamewars when it amuses them. Really great discussion came from this thread, right guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:35:06 2020 No.6593636 >>6593612 >>6593627 >retards discuss semantics for 4 days straight >all this for nothing holy fucking KEK

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:39:08 2020 No.6593643

>>6593343
>Imagine a game that someone builds from the ground-up to run on DOSBOX. Are we allowed to discuss it?

Yes obviously.

>How is it different than Pier Solar?

It isn't.

>>6593612
This happens because there are no board specific mods and janitors here so they occasionally get confused. Especially when someone spams every topic they see with their illiterate understanding of what the rules say.

It's also why he does it so much, his goal is to fuck up any thread he deems unacceptable because of his bias and will do anything to accomplish that including reporting the same threads multiple times. He doesn't actually give a shit what the rules are, he just can't stand people discussing things he doesn't like.

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:43:05 2020 No.6593654

>>6593636
>>6593627
Also, this thread >>6593612 was clearly made as a troll so it would purposefully get deleted. This guy has been obsessed with his agenda for years and goes to great lengths.

And all because he can't read and understand some basic English. Fucking lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 17:50:31 2020 No.6593676 >>6593654 So mods are actually deleting retro games threads?

Anonymous Sat Jul 11 18:25:44 2020 No.6593767
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>>6593676
In short, yeah. There are many boards with all sorts of rules and mods and janitors mostly just look at reports. If a post gets a bunch of reports and then there's a guy there saying PC games go by release date instead of platform like everything else sometimes a mod will just delete it without bothering to check further.

There's also a technique of reporting something repeatedly over the course of a day or two in the hopes of one of them ending up in the pile of a delete-happy mod who will ex it just because.

Remember... this guy might be incredibly stupid, even possibly clinically retarded or autistic and he doesn't understand what the rules say, but he's also incredibly dedicated to keeping PC discussion here as low as possible. That's just the nature of mental illness, but we don't have to keep letting him ruin the board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 18:47:01 2020 No.6593832 Fuck this shit, I'm installing Hitman

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 11 21:25:35 2020 No.6594320 >it's a conspiracy and everyone that doesn't agree with me is stupid and mental

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