RISE OF THE TRIAD

[Anonymous No.6417085]

Objectively a better game than DOOM.

Tom Hall was and is a true visionary, something Carmack and Romero, for all their talents and accomplishments, lack.

[Anonymous No.6417091]

>>6417085
God mode... Excalibat... GTFO.

[Anonymous No.6417093]

>>6417091
You got a fucking problem? And DOOM had a God Mode too, Tom just made his a joke upgrade

[Anonymous No.6417196]

Rise, Based Triad

[Anonymous No.6417226]

You're terribly wrong. Rise of Triad is decent, but it's also a bullshit maze game that quickly can become tiring. Doom absolutely outclassed every other FPS until Quake and Duke 3D released by every important measure. I suppose that this game is more appealing than Wolf3d in many ways, but that game also has mazey nonsense and cheapness.

[Anonymous No.6417303]

>>6417226
ROTT is SOUL

DOOM is SOULESS

[Anonymous No.6417443]

Did you know that Rise of the Triad actually had digitized female enemy sprites as well the male ones we know? Both are in the games files and originally a system for randomly choosing the female or male sprite to spawn into levels was going to be used, but in the end it doubled the games memory requirements and was scrapped.

Another example of the visionary in Tom Hall

[Anonymous No.6417519]

Ok, which youtube faggot made a video about Rise of the Triad this time?

[Anonymous No.6417549]

Dog mode was the best

[Anonymous No.6417619]

>>6417226
thats where you are wrong kiddo because Strife is the best FPS

[Anonymous No.6417656]

Strife takes ROTT’s lunch money

[Anonymous No.6417659]

>>6417619
My man - saw this thread hours ago and couldn’t let go of it lol, finally remembers strife and here I post the screenshot and see that someone else was in the know!! So happy

[Anonymous No.6417689]

>>6417085
>>6417226
>>6417619
*AHEM*

[Anonymous No.6417691]

>>6417085
>flat as fuck level design
>ugly as fuck too
Nah, you're just a contrarian.

[Anonymous No.6417791]

>>6417303
You misspelled and forgot to add an N.
DOOM is SOULNESS.

[Anonymous No.6417971]

>>6417689
Bugdoom? Really?
>>6417691
ROTT has a verticality that Doom can only wish it had

[Anonymous No.6417983]

>>6417085
ROTT is pretty neat, and arguably had the best Midi output from Lee Jackson. But I dunno if I could call it objectively better than Doom.

[Anonymous No.6418263]

>>6417085
It was exceptional what they did with humor and taking what amounted to an expanded Wolf3d engine.
But... better than Doom, no way Jose. Those orthogonal levels got butt-ugly after a while. And you can only do so much with orthogonal geometry. Again, impressive and creative but by no means better.

[Anonymous No.6418270]

It was Wolf3D on steroids, and there were a lot of neat little things that almost no other FPS of the decade did, but it had some fairly big issues
>>6417971
>bugdoom
that doesn’t even make sense, marathon and doom have almost nothing in common

[Anonymous No.6418325]

>>6417085
>game 2 that came out after game 1 and is a sort of spiritual successor is better
Is OP mentally challenged?

[Anonymous No.6418439]

ROTT was limited technically plus it had way less enemy variety and less interesting levels

[Anonymous No.6418478]

>>6418270
>that doesn’t even make sense, marathon and doom have almost nothing in common
No use arguing with Marathon fanboys. They'll bitch about how "superior" it is to Doom because it has mouselook (in reality it was just vertical shearing, and Doom didn't have it solely because id knew it looks horrible), how sophisticated its physics system is due to a few gimmicks normally you wouldn't even notice, and how it has a "deep story"...

[Anonymous No.6418649]

Couldn't play it more than ten minutes.
Still playing doom, wad after wad, never gets old.

[Anonymous No.6418836]

>>6417085
>Objectively a better game than DOOM.
ROTT is an amazing game, and highly underrated, but Doom is still better.

>>6417226
It's really not that maze-y.

>>6417519
>nobody should ever talk about a less known game because some fag on Youtube might have
BLEH

[Anonymous No.6418845]

>>6417691
It's really not that flat, most of the time.

>>6417971
I'd say they're roughly even, as Doom can have abstract structures in ways ROTT cannot, while ROTT puts an emphasis on jump pads and mid-air platforms.
You can only do so much with ROTT's limitations, meanwhile there's a really lot you can do with Doom if you're just creative.
That said I think ROTT does the most that's possible with 90 degree walls, and it's very admirable in that way.

[Anonymous No.6418851]

>>6418649
You really weren't giving it a chance.

[Anonymous No.6418898]

>>6418851
Something about the way it looked really rubbed me the wrong way.

[Anonymous No.6418907]

>>6418325
How the fuck is ROTT a spirtual succesor to DOOM? If anything it's a spirtual sucessor to Wolf3D, as it started development as a literal sequel to it

[Anonymous No.6418912]

>>6418439
>less enemy variety
Not if the systems of the day would've been able to handle the memory requirements of the system they put in to randomly choose a male or female digitized sprite to use for each enemy as mentioned here >>6417443

[Anonymous No.6418973]

>>6417085
I love RoTT but it was really held back by the outdated Wolfenstein 3D engine. Those 90-degree walls weren't doing it any favors.

Also, post tunes: https://youtu.be/6erC93RvZeI

[Anonymous No.6419040]

I think a lot of people are just filtered by ROTT, hell I have a hard time getting through some of the levels now as opposed to breezing through them when I was a kid doing nothing else.
The soundtrack is amazing and beats Doom, Duke, etc. without any question. Also, the levels and modifiers are very memorable, the bat, Dogmode, Godmode, the Vomitorium, etc.
I think the platforming and steep difficulty just stop a lot of people from getting very far. Doesn't help that there's not an amazing source port either which may turn some folks off.
Check out the Gzdoom TC Return of the Triad if you're looking for more levels or a slightly easier ROTT experience.

[Anonymous No.6419043]

>>6417619
Strife is good but it's more of a System Shock-lite experience, definitely deserves some credit but it's not as action oriented as the other games being compared here.

[Anonymous No.6419048]

>>6419040
I first played it like 2 years ago and it hooked me in an instant, blew through it in about a week. Maybe I was just the right kind of guy.

[Anonymous No.6419493]

>>6418836
So which one was it?

[Anonymous No.6419507]

>>6419493
I don't fucking know, nobody I know of has talked about it recently. Maybe you're just paranoid schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.6419515]

>>6419507
>nobody I know has talked about it recently
>nobody I know
See how the zoomer recoils when found out.

[Anonymous No.6419525]

>>6417619
>>6417656
Yeah but it is also 1996.

[Anonymous No.6419545]

>>6419515
I'm 28, I'm probably older than you, you larping dipshit.

[Anonymous No.6419560]

>>6419545
>LARPing
>I'm 28
I wrote this book, I think you'd like it, it's called "On the Zoomers and Their Lies"

[Anonymous No.6419590]

ROTT had some of the best multiplayer modes out there and it's a shame no one (or easily can) plays them these days.

[Anonymous No.6419592]

>>6419560
I'm off by a little over two hours, I'll admit, but a zoomer I am not. You're free to reverse image search this by the way.

[Anonymous No.6419601]

>>6419590
Part of it is that there's no good sourceports (Kaiser is doing a proper one, but it's not out yet), and not a lot of people want to bother with the old functions.
The other is that ROTT just isn't all that famous or widely known, it's slightly obscure even in retro FPS circles. Everyone knows Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, but not a lot of people talk about ROTT. Hell, lots of people might know ROTT as "that game that people steal cool .midis from for their Doom maps", but they usually don't check out the game itself.

[Anonymous No.6419602]

>>6419592
>ESL newfaggot
I guess I can understand why you'd appropriate zoomer memes, just be aware that "LARP" is a zoomer calling card in the future.

[Anonymous No.6419608]

>>6419602
If you say so, I see it used frequently on boards like /k/, and have seen it for quite some time. I'm also adamant that I speak better English than many ESLs on this site.
Also I've been on 4chan since about 2008, so I'm no oldfag, but I'm hardly new either, I predate GG, Sandy Hook, 2016 elections, etc.

[Anonymous No.6419610]

I've also been regular on /vr/ since the day it opened.

[Anonymous No.6419769]

[Anonymous No.6419840]

I asked this in the Retro FPS general but I suppose I should ask you lads as well. Do you think this review for the Rise of the Triad remake is accurate?

https://www.destructoid.com/review-rise-of-the-triad-256974.phtml

They gave it an 8.5 out of 10. I have been debating getting it, I am a big fan of the original but I skipped it at the time and now I hear wildly different things from it's great to it's total shit.

[Anonymous No.6419847]

>>6419840
I actually have it in my Steam library, I got it after I fell in love with the original, but I forgot to play it, and now I'm apprehensive about trying it, because I hear so many mixed things.

[Anonymous No.6419915]

>>6419840
As someone who paid real money they will never get back for this piece of shit, it is cherrypicked in its accuracy. The levels are fairly lengthy, the weapons are all there and it's fast but all of that is surprisingly to its detriment. It is not a well made game and I guarantee you'll be frustrated with it in the first minute.

Pirate it if you really want to play it but don't give them money.

[Anonymous No.6419962]

>>6419847
It's weird, definitely one of those games that seems to really win people over or utterly repulse them.
>>6419915
Thanks, this is the suggestion I am hearing most so I am torrenting it now.

[Anonymous No.6420765]

>>6418478
>They'll bitch about how "superior" it is to Doom because it has mouselook (in reality it was just vertical shearing, and Doom didn't have it solely because id knew it looks horrible)
It's not just about the ability to look around, it's about having actual 3-dimension aiming and the necessity of precision. It adds a layer of complexity/nuance. Though I'll admit that Doom was superior in other ways (like enemy diversity) so it balances out.

[Anonymous No.6420869]

>>6419840
the remake is definitely interesting, has a great soundtrack as well done by Andrew Hulshult. It's very janky which makes it feel somewhat similar to the original game. Multiplayer was great back when it launched, I haven't played it in years but this makes me want to relay the original and remake again

[Anonymous No.6421221]

>>6417085
Objectively a better game than DOOM
no
There are many good reasons why Doom was more popular and a better game

[Anonymous No.6421309]

>>6417085
When criticizing Rise of the Triad it's important to remember that it was limited by its technology. Doom could have it's unique level design because of Carmack's tech allowing id to use diagonal walls. RoTT tech was upgraded Wolfenstein engine, so it could still only handle right angles, even if walls could have different heights.

However, looking at it in perspective, it was super ahead of its time. It has huge emphasis on hitscan weapons and enemies, which is exactly how FPS genre has evolved, and how 90% of modern FPS games are like. It was the first FPS game to feature guns akimbo, which is now a staple feature in most FPSes. It limits you to 2 weapons, which was ridiculously ahead of its time, and is true of most modern shooters.
It de-emphasizes ammo management, just like in most modern shooters where you rarely have to worry about running out of ammo. It had more focus on story and actual cutscenes, unlike Doom.

Rise of the Triad was the way of the future.

Oh, and it has MUCH better boss fights than Doom. Doom bosses fucking suck, and I say this as a fan of Doom.

[Anonymous No.6421323]

>>6419840
>I am a big fan of the original
You'll like it. I played it start to finish and had a blast. It's the people that thought it was to be "ye resurgence of old skool FPS" that are disappointed. It's a nutty, dorky riffing experience like the original.
Also the OST fucking smashes.

[Anonymous No.6421329]

>>6417656
Strife+ROTT = Half Life

Both games have predicted which direction the shooter genre would evolve, while id was stuck doing its own thing for decades, until eventually they couldn't catch up.

[Anonymous No.6421330]

>>6421309
>It was the first FPS game to feature guns akimbo, which is now a staple feature in most FPSes.
Marathon was not only first, but it also has each pistol controlled by a separate primary/secondary fire, so that when reloading one you could continue firing with the other.

[Anonymous No.6421347]

>>6421330
Marathon was released exact same day as ROTT, dummy.

[Anonymous No.6421360]

>>6421347
Marathon's full release came out the same day as ROTT's shareware version.

[Anonymous No.6421920]

>>6421323
My disappointment in the remake came from it being a very poorly put together game. It was constantly buggy, the visuals were a muddy mess, the collision detection was all over the place and they turned Havana Smooth into dubstep. It needed a lot of polish and, judging Interceptor's other games, is not something they could ever deliver.