/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em up General

[Anonymous No.6014264]

IMPORTANT:
Shmup general is for the shmup community to discuss any topic pertaining to video games and the community.
That includes 1CC, be it solo or co-op, scoring and time attack of other genres of strictly arcade and arcade-like games.

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>Hellsinker
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>Psyvariar Delta
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>Ketsui Deathtiny: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi
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>R-Type Dimensions EX
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[Anonymous No.6014330]

I had a blast with Psyvariar Delta most recently but honestly I rarely have the energy to shmup anymore. Boomer life for me.

[Anonymous No.6014331]

>recent releases
>steam links
Wouldn't /vg/ be better?
If you want to talk about any specific retro shmup, just make a thread about it.

[Anonymous No.6014358]

>>6014330
Wasn't a big fan of Psyvariar, but had an absolute blast playing Sine Mora Ex, as with R-Type Dimensions Ex.

Try Super Hydorah, it's more our style as boomers, not the modern weebshit and ridiculouw bullethell that require dumb mevhanics to justify.

>>6014331
No idea why /shmupg/ suddenly moved here either.

[Anonymous No.6014365]

Made a /shmupg/ on /vg/ ya big dumdums.

[Anonymous No.6014367]

>>6014358
>>6014365
It seems that /vg/ is getting fucked by the tons of Gatcha generals, wow flooders and now Smash threads.

[Anonymous No.6014371]

another failed run
another lost PB
what a waste of time this genre is

[Anonymous No.6014372]

>>6014367
/vg/ is borderline unusable now. If you dont have a few dedicated autist bumpers who'll consantly save it from getting killed but the 50th daily general of FaithGrandOrder in the downtime when nobody discusses anything, your general is fucked.
For clarification that downtime is 20-50 minutes depending on how hard the mobile game horde is spamming.

[Anonymous No.6014373]

>>6014367
/vg/ can be utter garbage, but seeing the mentally ill types that inhabit /shmupg/ (pedos, stalkers, waifufags), I'd hate to see them come here as a last resort.

[Anonymous No.6014391]

>>6014372
Gookmoot needs to create a General Fate board to keep them there

[Anonymous No.6014424]

we megadrive shumps now

https://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv322934648

[Anonymous No.6014425]

>>6014372
>>6014373
I don't know about the shmup threads but the few generals I've tried like fgh abd monster hunter were total clusterfucks

[Anonymous No.6014429]

>>6014424
I don't love a lot of shmups but Gaiares was good fun.

[Anonymous No.6014579]

How does a beginner get into shmups? What's the best game to start with?

[Anonymous No.6014582]

>>6014579
I'd do Space Invaders, then Galaga, then Xevious for a decent introduction to the genre.

[Anonymous No.6014586]

>>6014579
avoid Cave games and Toaplan and Psikyo.

[Anonymous No.6014590]

>>6014264
Love that art

[Anonymous No.6014612]

>>6014579
Try Gradius and Flyin' Shark in MAME.

[Anonymous No.6014672]

>>6014612
If I started with these two I would've never gotten into shmups. YUCK!

>>6014579
Dragon Breed
MUSHA Aleste (not too great but it's fun for beginners)
Wild Guns (reloaded remake is good too)
Star Fox 64 (3DS remake is fine too)
Elemental Master
Ikaruga
Radiant silver gun (saturn)
Dodopanchi (first 3 stages are fine, rest of the game is unplayable for beginners)
Choujikuu Yousai Macross II (very short and has good difficulty settings)
Much Muchi Pork
soukyugurentai (game scoring makes no sense but has a fun locking system)
Outzone (Very very hard game but beatable for me)

[Anonymous No.6014689]

>>6014579
just skip straight to cave

[Anonymous No.6014719]

>>6014689
cave sux bitch

[Anonymous No.6014731]

>>6014719
when_theres_more_than_10_bullets_on_the screen.jpg

[Anonymous No.6014737]

>>6014731
All those bullets don't mean much when the game runs at 10fps, also cave's notorious use of bullet cancelling gimmicks.

[Anonymous No.6014754]

>>6014737
bullet canceling is strategic for survival and scoring and satisfying to pull off, having a screen of threats get nullified is cool and only appears in certain stages/enemies.

>>All those bullets don't mean much when the game runs at 10fps
Kek get gud and stop making excuses, those bullets will wreck you slowdown or not. If you want fast play mushi original.

[Anonymous No.6014876]

>>6014425
So far it's alright, but /shmupg/ entirely derailed usually and it waa nothing but Discord drama for a while, I've been in some bad threads but /shmupg/ took the crown, seems alright now.

>>6014579
The fact that you ask this question is already a sign that you probably will, most people just straight up jump into the genre and pick up some bullethell game made for veterans, and then have a miserable time because the initial learning curve is so incredibly steep.

Personally, not retro but Sine Mora EX is probably the best forgiving shmup that I can recommend, incredibly cheap to pick up, very unique artstyle, has traces of bullethell but isn't punishing if you fuck them up, and it lets you pick stages so you can quickly memorize and learn stages, to then directly apply your knowledge to progress. It teaches you what shmups are about, provides every challenge you can expect in other games, and dying feels fair and part of the experienfe. If I play it now I breeze through it, but when I played it it took me a full day to finish and several breaks because I was so invested.

Darius after you get a taste for them is a great series, not easy but not ridiculously punishing either, also has several parodies called Parodius, so it's a series that can be played and learned for a while.

Deathsmiles is a western shmup for the 360 clearly made to appeal to western audiences that don't have muxh experience with shmups, your hitbox is very clearly defined, it has very clear cut layouts that it walks you through to help you figure out your playstyle.
Deathsmiles will walk you down a very ridiculously expensive and hard to justify path if you get into it though, since Japan had a ton of very good Japan exclusive 360 games.

[Anonymous No.6014952]

>shmupg on vr
The generals here were traditionally called /stg/. Anyway good luck trying to keep this alive lol

[Anonymous No.6014962]

>>6014952
It's a niche within a niche, what do you expect?
I'm willing to keep the thread going, better than /r/shmups/ anyway.

[Anonymous No.6014969]

>>6014876
>Deathsmiles is a western shmup for the 360
>Cave
>western
You can play it on MAME, iirc it's missing slowdown but that's not a big deal if you just want to do a low level 1cc to get a taste. Steam port is pretty good

[Anonymous No.6014972]

>>6014737
Classic non-player "theory". Go crush Mushihimesama Futanari Ultra if it's so easy with canceling and slowdown, see if you can even make it past stage without nearly having a heart attack and going back to 8 bullets on screen dadshit

[Anonymous No.6014974]

>>6014876
Why post misinformation? In addition to what the other poster pointed out, Deathsmiles is also available on Steam and Parodius is a Gradius parody, not Darius.

[Anonymous No.6014989]

>>6014969
It's not western in the true sense of the word, that's on me for not explaining myself well, but I'd say it panders to what western audiences are comfortable with in regards to shmups. It's essentially what eased a lot of people into Japanese-style bullethell shmups with its forgiving difficulty, thorough tutorial, and easy hitboxes.

>>6014974
My bad, I always confuse Gradius and Darius, both are very good for newcomers I'd say.

[Anonymous No.6015029]

What's the best shmup on the Saturn that isn't Radiant Silvergun? Also are there any alternatives like twin stick shooters or any run n' guns besides Metal Slug?

[Anonymous No.6015076]

>>6015029
That's a highly debatable subject, personally it's the Salamander deluxe pack I think, I'm not a Saturn pro yet though so I don't have a refined taste yet.

[Anonymous No.6015095]

Alright realtalk, I ordered a Japanese Xbox 360, how do I get it working in Europe?

[Anonymous No.6015104]

>>6015095
Plug it in and use it

[Anonymous No.6015109]

>>6015104
Isn't that going to blow up the power block?
I've heard you need a stepdown transformer.

[Anonymous No.6015125]

>>6015029
Batsugun is in general a top tier shmup, plays fine on the saturn (from what I hear) and is good for beginners and advanced

You could also try the special ver. if you like more bullets/smaller hitbox gameplay

[Anonymous No.6015149]

>>6014590
Wow! When did Reimu get this hot?!?

[Anonymous No.6015163]

>>6015029
Rayforce

[Anonymous No.6015174]

>>6014579
Try Deathsmiles. Very begginer friendly. It was my first 1cc. Dont worry about slow down and shit for now. Once you get gud and are sure you are going to enjoy it then you can dive deeper. A arcade stick is nice too but not necessary. Many great players use gamepads or keyboards.

Gradius and RType are also great series to start with if you like that style better.

[Anonymous No.6015257]

>shmupgen looking to settle down permanently on /vr/ after shitposting thousands of threads this year
>>>/vg/
>>>/r/shmups

[Anonymous No.6015312]

>>6014579
get MAME and check out the top 25 games list over at shmup forums (though beware that games made by Cave has a pretty big overrepresentation).

[Anonymous No.6015376]

>>6015174
Based Deathsmiles bro, I recently bought Deathsmiles 2.

[Anonymous No.6015383]

What version of MAME do you guys run Batsugun on? I could never get it to run with any version I had.

[Anonymous No.6015390]

>>6015383
Just get the mega link in the OP, it has shmupmame and the rom

[Anonymous No.6015419]

>>6015174
>Very begginer friendly.
Really? I played that shit on my PS2 and couldn't get past like stage 3 or 4.

[Anonymous No.6015424]

>>6015419
Then you either didn't try very hard which is likely, or you picked level 3 for every stage and got spanked by the increased difficulty. If you're picking level 1 and still struggling then you're doing something very wrong. There's a pretty decent beginners guide on steam that should make things easier, and a "newbie route" that'll make sure you get a lot of health items and extends
>Lv1 Forest ==> Lv1 Graveyard ==> Lv2 Lake shore ==> Lv2 Swamp ==> Lv3 Port town ==> Lv3 Volcano.

[Anonymous No.6015425]

>>6015419
Nvm, I was thinking of Ibara. I've never played Deathsmiles.

[Anonymous No.6015428]

>>6015419
Also, Rosa is broken for survival, using her makes things much easier.

[Anonymous No.6015557]

This game is severely underrated and should stand with the modern greats to be entirely honest with you family.

[Anonymous No.6015620]

>>6015557
>playing poorjins
lmao'ing @ your life

[Anonymous No.6015663]

shmups are fun for quick sessions, grab and drop, not much depth but solid action if you're into mindless twitchy movement games. Not sure why they need their own thread here lmao.

[Anonymous No.6015668]

>>6015663
Post your scores

[Anonymous No.6015713]

>>6015620
Poorjins?
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.6015721]

>>6015668
>muh scores
Hahah, post yours? You waste your time playing these games?
If you're a westerner you're either copying 1cc routes or scoring routes that some japs figured out by wasting 1million yen in the arcades.

[Anonymous No.6015725]

>>6015721
>anime
Oooh you're the upset tranny

[Anonymous No.6015728]

>>6015725
>tranny
even those things can crush shmups and outplay u
where are your scores since you are so interested in them?

[Anonymous No.6015729]

>>6015728
They're on the farm
Why are you so upset at shmupchads btw? Are you the "shmucks" jarpig?

[Anonymous No.6015731]

>>6015728
>>6015728
>where are your scores since you are so interested in them?
What would that prove? anyone with some patience and a memory longer than a hamsters' can clear shmups and even put up some scores

[Anonymous No.6015732]

>>6015729
>They're on the farm
Link your replay if that's the case.

[Anonymous No.6015734]

>>6015731
It's too much for jrpg playing trannies to handle tho

[Anonymous No.6015736]

>MUH PUNTOS
lol he has no puntos

[Anonymous No.6015737]

>>6015732
After you tell me your story, how did we hurt you? Was it the anti jarpig posting? Did we reject your touhou shit? Did we mock you for being a kusoplayer?

[Anonymous No.6015741]

>>6015737
>Was it the anti jarpig posting? Did we reject your touhou shit? Did we mock you for being a kusoplayer?
Are you on medication? wtf are you babbling about

[Anonymous No.6015743]

>>6015741
Oh come on don't be shy. What compels you to shitpost in arcade threads, anon?

[Anonymous No.6015752]

>>6015743
>wahhhh why doesn't everyone share MY opinion ALL the time?
Everything I said was valid. Suck it up buttercup

[Anonymous No.6015762]

Does a stick make a difference?

[Anonymous No.6015764]

>>6015752
How so? The game have a lot of depth with scoring, in fact that's why route copying is common, because the games are too deep to figure out on your own within a reasonable timeframe. This is contrasted with the likes of jrpgs and platformers

[Anonymous No.6015786]

>>6015764
>because the games are too deep to figure out on your own within a reasonable timeframe
the process is tedious and boring and the work is already done, so they copy.

> This is contrasted with the likes of jrpgs and platformers
Yes those are fun to play and figure out on your own, that's how most people play them.

[Anonymous No.6015796]

>>6015786
That just means that shmups have immense depth while jrpgs/platformers are shallow. If you prefer the latter then godspeed, I'm talking specifically about depth.

[Anonymous No.6015827]

>>6015764
holy fuckign christ are you guys for real
>dude shmups are fun just watch a video of someone getting a high score, memorize it, and do exactly what they do!
you might as well play simon says, jesus, and you guys have the nerve to shit on other genres? get real lmao

[Anonymous No.6015831]

>>6015827
Then don't copy routes, ya retard. You can look up guides for any genre and trivialize ones like jrpgs. Thing with shmups is that even if you do copy routes the execution involved makes them fun and challenging, instead of solved puzzles for babbys.

[Anonymous No.6015868]

>>6015762
nope, you're still male even if you get it removed

>>6015831
>You can look up guides for any genre and trivialize ones like jrpgs.
I wonder if you can figure out how this is different without it being explained to you

[Anonymous No.6015873]

>>6014264
>pic related
Who is that? Asking for a friend

[Anonymous No.6015882]

>>6015868
Oh there are many differences, for instance jrpgs become absolutely trivial while shmups only become harder since you'll be using top-tier routes without the necessary fundamental skills

[Anonymous No.6015897]

>>6015827
this is actually how they play games and what they consider deep, screencap-worthy

[Anonymous No.6015903]

Stick vs pad?

[Anonymous No.6015912]

>>6015903
Stick, there are some good pad players but they're more rare and a lot end up switching to stick after a while. It depends on what you're comfortable with ultimately but if you have the cash to spare, playing on an arcade stick is worth trying out

[Anonymous No.6015914]

>>6014737
lmao go play daioujou 2nd loop when theres barely any slowdown at all

[Anonymous No.6015923]

>>6015557
just play guwange or sengoku blade if you need those top tier weeb aesthetics

shikondo is kusopoojin kimchi junk

[Anonymous No.6015929]

>>6015873
midboss from Tengai

[Anonymous No.6016085]

>>6015897
Some do some don't, even those that do often mix it up. There's players like Kiwi who tore Blue Revoler apart with a subweapon type that no one used then went on to do the same with Devil Engine, a new game. Iconoclast crushed Ketsui's Black Label mode which was completely new at the time in between copying routes. Jaimers' plays kusoge no one takes seriously. Vast majority of players won't need to copy because they play for 1cc's, anyway.

[Anonymous No.6016090]

>>6015882
>shmups punish you for getting better, other genres don't! And that's a good thing!
Damn you went full retard just there.

[Anonymous No.6016094]

>>6016090
Nonsense, they punish players for not being good enough and biting off more than they can chew. Natural in any game with a skill ceiling.

[Anonymous No.6016235]

Good shmup stick?

[Anonymous No.6016390]

>>6016235
Not even thicc Amerihogs can save this thread or dead genre.

[Anonymous No.6016417]

>>6016235
Porku uppu!!

[Anonymous No.6016741]

>>6016390
French actually.

[Anonymous No.6016815]

I give up on same!same!
bullshit autofire
bullshit items movement

[Anonymous No.6016842]

>>6016235
It teases my pee-pee that you can kinda see her privates but not quite.

[Anonymous No.6017025]

>>6015827
Wow. This pic is for you. Thanks for the laugh.

>>6015912
I generally agrea with this but dont let not having a stick stop you from playing. Some people just dont like them. Get a good one though. A cheap one will make you feel retarded. I first got a cheap Injustice Fightstick and the stick sucks. Its mushy and doesnt snap back well so it makes fine movements almost impossible.

Building one is an option too. Plenty of resources online for this. Just use good components. If you can find something cheap, you may can upgrade the stick and buttons into something good but check around online to make sure it doesnt take a lot of complicated modding. Some can be as easy as just bolting in new seimitsu or sanwa.

>>6016085
Playing for score is fun but takes a lot of time and dedication. Some games have crazy scores. 1ccs are a nice goal though. Most of these games were designed to eat coins so beating them in 1 credit is a nice accomplishment.

[Anonymous No.6017039]

>>6014264
how did they fucked up the genre so bad

>from creative game design
to
>inflexible clusterfuck, with awful graphics

[Anonymous No.6017085]

>>6017039
This but in reverse, they went from simplistic dadshit memorizers to layered masterpieces

[Anonymous No.6017090]

>>6017039
Hard to say, after Centipede and Tempest everything using a stick feels hopelessly primitive

[Anonymous No.6017095]

>>6014358
>No idea why /shmupg/ suddenly moved here either.
Because they're faggots who got mad that their thread wasn't popular enough to float on /vg/, so they're trying to come to a slower board. Regardless half of this shit isn't retro and OP is a massive faggot. General threads go in the general board

[Anonymous No.6017208]

>>6017085
>layered masterpieces
What?

[Anonymous No.6017318]

>>6017208
Masterpieces with layers of deepness you thick dork

[Anonymous No.6017337]

>>6017095
Shmups are a retro genre nigger.

>generals belong on /vg/
Tell that to our Doom general.

[Anonymous No.6017381]

>like a game
>scoring is so bad you refuse to do it
Do you have any games like this?

[Anonymous No.6017546]

>>6017025
Scoring need not refer only to high level competition, you can set achievable goals for yourself that make the games more fun without requiring you to go crazy. It often seems like people only see scrubs and top players and forget that there's a lot of room in between that gives a lot of leeway and a large variety of potential playstyles. And there are games with a low skill ceiling where getting decent scores doesn't take much time, though usually the scoring isn't very exciting there.

[Anonymous No.6017561]

>>6017381
Dodonpachi, chaining's shit

[Anonymous No.6017701]

>>6017095
>Doom, HOMM, GCCX, CRT/hardwarefag and other generals exist without anyone batting an eye
>shmup general gets made
>NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GENERALS BELONG ON /VG/ N-NOT RETRO MODS HEEEEELP

[Anonymous No.6017718]

>>6017381
Silvergun and Ikaruga.

>muh match-3 puzzle gimmick

Also fuck anything with a focus on grazing, like 2hu or Psyvariar.

[Anonymous No.6017857]

>>6017701
>be absolutely notorious for shitting up threads on /vr/
>make a general in which the op is exclusively non /vr/ material
>everyone tells you to fuck off, rightfully >WHATSAMATTER TOO MUCH SOI??? XDDDD /v/ tier response
The lack of self awareness is insane

[Anonymous No.6017876]

>>6017857
>>be absolutely notorious for shitting up threads on /vr/
Muh jarpig persecution complex.
Ok schizoid. Most of /shmupg/ doesn't care about your shitty genre anyways.

>>make a general in which the op is exclusively non /vr/ material
Except over half those games in the OP came out during /vr/ times.

>>everyone tells you to fuck off, rightfully >WHATSAMATTER TOO MUCH SOI??? XDDDD /v/ tier response
I mean, do you actually deserve a better response than that?

Also nice seething sage. Negated.

[Anonymous No.6017901]

>>6017857
>make a general in which the op is exclusively non /vr/ material
Lol ok. Sengoku Blade, Vasara, Psyvariar, Ketsui, R-Type, Esprade, everything in the mega package are all /vr/. There's a few doujins mixed in, big deal.

Should have started by saying "u should leave cuz I don't like u!" then and spared the dumbass appeals to /vr/ rules because it's transparent.

[Anonymous No.6017959]

>>6017876
>jarpig complex
Obsessed. Also don't use forced memes made by certified /VG/ retards.

[Anonymous No.6017968]

>>6017901
>ketsui
>vr
Posers don't even know their own genre. Wobble wobble dodge doge wahoo!

[Anonymous No.6017971]

>>6017968
PGM hardware kid
Blow it out your ass

[Anonymous No.6018349]

Bullet hells ain't retro.
Back to /vg/ zoomer faggots.

[Anonymous No.6018374]

i've literally never seen a shmup player talk about shmups. i mean, what is there to even say?

[Anonymous No.6018419]

>>6018374
Lots, why don't you try playing one and then tell us what you think about it?

[Anonymous No.6018730]

>>6018374
You can talk about 1CCs, scores, shot patterns, tap dodging, macro dodging, etc.

[Anonymous No.6018748]

>>6018374
Talk about their recent scores or failed runs.
Talk about eceleb gossip.
Ask a very specific question only one or two people can answer.
Then revert to talking about other genres, whether positively or negatively.

[Anonymous No.6018750]

>>6018748
>2 best western players showing off their japrig power-level
OH NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.6018801]

>>6018374
yup, better talk about muh grabs, crt vs ossc drama and (((comfyness))) in j-rpgs

all way more interesting subject for you /vr/ dorks

[Anonymous No.6018803]

the amount of disdain shmups are getting from so called retrogamers here is pretty baffling, like you guys NEED to hate the most /vr/ genre there is

tardo (even though a poser/liar and non player) was right all along about your lame asses

[Anonymous No.6018807]

>>6017968
>Wobble wobble dodge doge wahoo!
and this, ladies and gentleman, comes from a nintendork tranny spending his life menuing shit

do you already got you tickets for the next GDQ

[Anonymous No.6018808]

>>6018803
^^^ fuckin' this, ya'll niggas are hella gay lmao

straight up g

[Anonymous No.6018812]

>>6018349
ddp is from 1997 but you fag were too busy crying over aerith death to notice

maybe you werent even born lmao

[Anonymous No.6018819]

>>6018349
Ok. Which Actual Retro Shooters™ have you multiloop 1cc'd lately?

[Anonymous No.6019043]

>>6018819
>jrpgs are gay!!
>ok which jrpgs have you 100% completed speedran and totally crushed using a low-level party (without using ANY strategy guide)?
....
what a great point