How was this written by the same man who did Chrono Trigger and Xenogears?

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Anonymous Sat Oct 12 16:50:00 2019 No.5944167 [Reply] [Original]

How was this written by the same man who did Chrono Trigger and Xenogears?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 16:52:49 2019 No.5944170 >>5944167 He only did parts of Trigger and Xenogears, while he was the primary guy behind Cross.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 17:08:50 2019 No.5944186 File: 102 KB, 431x696, why-do-they-persecute-me-so.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He was held back by garbage co-writers. Imagine the level of genius Trigger and XG could have had if only he was free to write the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:15:07 2019 No.5944764 >>5944167 Well, now it makes sense, Xenogears is shit, this is why CC is.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:23:38 2019 No.5944775 [DELETED]

You know I've never played Xenogears, but seeing the way people shit-talk Chrono Cross makes me want to play it just to see if they're wrong about it, too.

There are two types of people who hate Cross - People too stupid to understand the story, and people too autistic to view the story in its proper context(they try to take it too seriously).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:55:34 2019 No.5944829 >>5944775 Then you'd probably like Xenogears.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 05:42:05 2019 No.5945246 >>5944167 To trigger the chrono triggeres

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 05:48:21 2019 No.5945260 >>5944775 Xenogears' main failing is that it borrows too much from Evangelion and suffers from the comparison because Xenogears also still has to be a JRPG power fantasy with random encounters. But it's not bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 09:38:10 2019 No.5945512 >>5944167 This game has some hella comfy music I'll tell you that much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 09:41:46 2019 No.5945515 >>5945512 The orchestra CDs are amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r68Kyh1npTk

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 09:43:42 2019 No.5945517 >>5944775 What do people say about Xenogears? I decided to play CC this year blind and I absolutely love it despite being very familiar with he complants people have.

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 09:48:38 2019 No.5945521

>>5944775
People don't appreciate the dream motif and themes in CC. The first time in Another Arni and fighting Miguel hit me hard.

I love how they did the massive roster.Storywise it feels like vignettes and that your entire community travels with you. I would've loved to have seen them try to improve upon it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 11:25:47 2019 No.5945643 >>5944775 I love CC and I must tell you, xenogears is completely shit

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 11:34:55 2019 No.5945659

>>5944775
>but seeing the way people shit-talk Chrono Cross makes me want to play it just to see if they're wrong about it, too.

There's nothing wrong with CC's plot or anything like that.

It's the slow-ass combat and diluted cast of characters that ruin it. They could have cut 80% of the cast, streamlined the combat, and then it would have been a masterpiece. It suffered from poor gameplay decisions and filler that detracted from what the game was trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 11:42:21 2019 No.5945673 >>5945515 Thanks for sharing. just grabbed the FLAC's. Incredible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:02:38 2019 No.5945690 >>5945659 >cut 80% of the cast That would leave nine playable characters. Which nine would you pick, /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:08:23 2019 No.5945698 >>5944764 doom is even more shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:10:45 2019 No.5945706 As usual, high level intellectual discussion. >>5945673 So amazing you haven't spent the few dollars required to buy it in all these years then turn around and wonder why they barely make anything good anymore in this world.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:19:12 2019 No.5945724 >>5945706 don't worry, the whale's in their mobile games will let them carry on making money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:22:42 2019 No.5945730 >>5945517 some say its shit, i say its rad. this depends how old you are when you play it tho. i got to experience it in my teens and still hold a favorable opinion on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:54:29 2019 No.5945793 >>5944167 If Chrono Cross is such a shitty game, how come it seems to always have a thread about it on /vr/? Shit I don't think Trigger gets anywhere near the same amount of buzz as this game.

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 13:08:10 2019 No.5945819
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>>5945690
Probably these ones. Kid and Harle are basically mandatory for the plot, the rest are just ones I think are relevant enough to the plot to be worth making party members, except for Pip who I'd just want because of his unique mechanics. I also tried to keep it a roughly even split of pre and post bodyswap party members.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 19:27:58 2019 No.5946542 >>5945690 Starky, Pip, Turnip, Niofio, Poshul and Funguy

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 19:35:53 2019 No.5946557 >>5945793 ^^^ this all buzz is good buzz. the more controversial, the better

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 19:55:10 2019 No.5946597 >>5945690 >Which nine would you pick, /vr/? Greco, Fargo, Sneff, Orlha, Steena, Guile, Zappa, Pip and Riddel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 20:32:30 2019 No.5946693 >>5945690 Korcha Marcha Orlha Mel Doc Steena Janice, Lynxed Korcha and Funguy as the silent protagonist/Korcha love interest. So much potential, that I'll call this as my own game, Chrono Cross: Trigger

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 22:11:17 2019 No.5946854

>>5945521
Opposite for me. SNES CT had brand new characters and world's to explore. Super interesting chronological parallels

CC couldn't be arsed to do shit but a re-arrangement, lazy and stupid fucks. The dimensional parallels were garbage also.

The great music fooled all of you

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 22:18:17 2019 No.5946864 >>5944167 chrono trigger had 3 writers.

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 22:34:26 2019 No.5946879

Game credits are misleading because writing a game isn’t really like writing a book. Yuji Horii is the one who really wrote Chrono Trigger and Soraya Saga wrote Xenogears in the “literary” sense. Masato Kato is credited as “Scenario Writer” which is like screenwriting in movies, i.e. adapting the story for the screen.

Chrono Cross is what happened when they let Kato be judge, jury, and executioner.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 22:54:52 2019 No.5946915 >>5946879 I think he wrote Schala, which makes sense that CC is about her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 22:58:13 2019 No.5946920 >>5946879 You don't know what you are talking about. Even the little tidbit about movies is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 23:00:34 2019 No.5946926 >>5946920 I do know what I’m talking about. Even the little tidbit about movies is right.

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 23:06:55 2019 No.5946937

>>5946854
You're not the opposite of me I love Chrono Trigger too. How is everyone and everything minus a few returning character not a new world and new character? What do you even mean by chronological parallels? Future and past?

It's all new stuff 90% of the game. Wtf do you mean by dimensional parallels?

????????????????

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 23:30:48 2019 No.5946973 >>5946926 That's not what scenario writers do, and that's not what screenwriting is. Make an effort to have correct information on things if you want to talk about them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 23:35:58 2019 No.5946983 >>5946973 “Guy who says something is wrong without offering alternative information” is my least favorite 4chan character. Your posts are no better than “nuh-uh!”

Anonymous Mon Oct 14 01:29:36 2019 No.5947138
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>>5944167
My understanding is that Chrono Trigger had a different writer for each Time Era the player could visit and that the guy who wrote Chrono Cross was responsible for writing The Dark Ages, which is arguably the most important plot related area of the game.

The same themes that Cross tries to push, that Humans are mutant lavos babbies that shouldn't have existed and that Humans fuck over nature, are present in the Dark Ages. You remember that castle you couldn't access in the Zeal Kingdom thats floating alone? That's the Temple of the Sun where the Zeal Kingdom used to receive its energy before Queen Zeal murdered the King in favor of Lavos. The worship of nature is usurped by the power of Lavos.

You get a lot of that same information and the same themes in Cross.
I think the real weakness of CC is that they don't examine the idea of competing timelines more thoroughly. It may have been the intent to show that in CT that the mysterious being providing the Time Gates was actually a competing Time Line that wanted to exist. Since apparently those things are sentient. Unfortunately its only really a throw away line to explain the plot and only told to you very late in the game.

Anonymous Mon Oct 14 01:34:22 2019 No.5947146

>>5946937
I assume he means that Trigger did a much better job at contrasting the same locations throughout different eras. CT offers a lot more variety of locations and almost all of them can be visited in different times with different purposes.

Meanwhile CC only has one other dimension to contrast with and the locations are exactly the same with only the people really being different.

I guess. I guess that's what he means. That's what he wanted out of the series and was bothered by it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 01:47:31 2019 No.5947171 People doesn't like Cross just because it doesn't have the Toriyama style. Other than that, it's as much of a Trigger sequel that you'd expect.

Anonymous Mon Oct 14 02:27:42 2019 No.5947228
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I haven't played Cross in a very long time, so I don't remember the specifics, but doesn't the last ~30% of the story get explained in blocks of text by the Crono, Marle and Lucca ghosts near the end?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 02:43:20 2019 No.5947254 >>5947228 33% 33% Are found in Super Science Report Logs in Chronopolis 33% You hear from Balthasaar in a pocket dimension 33% You hear from the child ghosts 1% you hear throughout the game otherwise

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 02:44:30 2019 No.5947256 >>5945515 Just beautiful, thank you for sharing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 14 17:53:53 2019 No.5948587

>>5944775
/vr/ is about the only place on the internet that you'll really find people speaking poorly of Xenogears, for whatever reason. It's an unfinished mess, but an excellent overall experience despite it. Unless of course, you think that Evangelion invented religious imagery and giant robots and can't move past that unhelpfully surface-level comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 18:17:00 2019 No.5948623 >>5947138 I thought the mysterious being was ayylium Lavos summoning Crono and co. to put him out of his misery

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 21:31:02 2019 No.5948882 >>5948587 >It's an unfinished mess, but an excellent overall experience despite it If your standards are that low, sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 21:36:32 2019 No.5948887 >>5948587 >people It's one guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 21:40:09 2019 No.5948892 >>5948882 People with high standards are usually assholes. See- Audiophiles

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 14 21:47:52 2019 No.5948905 >>5948892 I'm sorry, I forgot to tie my brilliant pebbles to my PC's cables and my Shakti Stone is broken so I didn't quite hear that, was that an indirect way of admitting you have low standards?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 15 06:59:59 2019 No.5949569 >>5948623 During the camp scene Lucca says she believes it's the planet working against Lavos. Makes sense considering you have time warps to places that are pre-Lavos or post-Lavos

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 15 09:41:29 2019 No.5949710 >>5945690 Noah, Glenn, Karsh, Mojo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 15 16:23:19 2019 No.5950259 >>5944186 A whole game about Skelly and Funguy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 00:14:28 2019 No.5951140 Bros Honestly, every single one of you who actually remembers dial up internet. Of all of the internet things, I think I will never ever get tired of Chrono Cross threads. Chrono Trigger is my favorite game and Chrono Cross carries its greater myth

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 00:19:52 2019 No.5951149 File: 123 KB, 363x289, 1567479740870.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5947138 >that Humans are mutant lavos babbies that shouldn't have existed wtf? But humans existed before Lavos ever hit the Earth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 00:22:48 2019 No.5951151 >>5951140 Same. Used to love reading them on GameFAQs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 00:29:33 2019 No.5951159 >>5951149 >>5947138 The Frozen Flame gave humans the power to use magic, sapient humans like Ayla already existed

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 00:46:54 2019 No.5951172 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocmcIkOmVnc&t=1m15s

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 01:19:09 2019 No.5951216

>>5944167
Wouldn't mind Square decided to "remaster" this game and fix the broken story that is infodumped at the end of the game.

I was starting to get into the game up until around then, and even before that, the writing felt all over the place and I wasn't getting any real idea of the world I was living in.
It just felt lonely and the fact that Janus' storyline was cut severed my ability to enjoy the game further.
Radical Dreamers had better writing; I really was hoping this was going to live up to it or even exceed it. Shame.

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 04:45:37 2019 No.5951460

>>5951149
>>5951159

>Humans existed before Lavos

I didn't mean that Lavos created humans, I meant that he changed humans into something that was averse to the Planets health. In the Dark Ages this manifests as Queen Zeal using Lavos over the power of the Sun/Nature and then right before the final fight where your characters get pissed that Lavos was eating people throughout space/time.

In Cross this is the backbone of the plot: That Lavos specifically nurtured humans with the Frozen Flame for his own design while killing off the alternative timeline where the Planet Loving Reptites would've been the dominant species.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 08:07:30 2019 No.5951617 >>5944167 Probably with his hands.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 08:09:40 2019 No.5951621 >>5951149 I only just realized the reason it's called the Frozen Flame is because it's a reference to Prometheus stealing the flame from the gods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 08:11:29 2019 No.5951625 >>5951216 Is it normal to lose interest during the 5 dragon quest? That's where I'm at now and I stopped caring as much about everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:48:50 2019 No.5951751 >dinosaurs are weak against electricity okay I guess >in Japan Crono's element is Holy so dinosaurs are weak against holy things wait what

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:04:50 2019 No.5952141

>>5951625
Dragon Quest is really barebones imo.
There was a reason Final Fantasy and other fantasy themed games were more popular than that series.

I think the only game worth playing is Dragon Quest 8 since a lot of people that worked on other Squaresoft titles like Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross and Kingdom Hearts 1 (the only good KH btw) helped out working on it while FF12 was being made, so it managed to get a rub off of all the good Square members before the company began to really fall apart.

One of my cousins who is extremely patient with games and isn't hesitant to play Dos games dropped DQ and he's only in his early 20s, so don't feel too bad if you do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:08:53 2019 No.5952148 File: 929 KB, 285x200, 1506091833867.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5952141 lmao he was talking about the part in Chrono Cross where you fight all the coloured dragons and get their blessing, not Dragon Quest the series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:17:50 2019 No.5952165 >>5951625 I nearly fucking ragequit when I found out I'd accidentally locked myself out of the black dragon's thing

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:29:51 2019 No.5952196

>>5952148
oh....
fuck.

im fucking retarded lmao

I actually kind of enjoyed "that" Dragon Quest personally. Kind of gave each area in the map some kind of character knowing that a massive dragon inhabitant it somewhere..
Sadly it was kind of under-utlized I think; could've tied them more into the storyline instead of going;

"Yo, lol, u gotta go to some dragons that will talk to you about your dreamtime'n shit. Also, anyone you recruit along the way will be used once and thats it. Accacia Dragoons? No, those dragon knights that are named after stuff about dragons don't have a relevance to our lore in any way despite being around for quite a while, and no, I won't tell you anything cool about time'n stuff that the whole games motif is about and that you and your team want to know about for the last couple of hours. Lets fight, k?"

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 20:20:22 2019 No.5953090

>>5952196
Yeah my problem is that too but also it feels like.

>retread old area
>spend a lot of time allocating elements and maybe switching a party member who has the same element because dragons heal from their element colour
>fight boss
>exception being the black dragon area because it was part of Fargo and ulrene's story and gaia's navel which was new

I didnt realize until your post that the lack of story relevance bothered me too. I guess I could have. I guess I could have at least chosen to use the dragoons during the little adventures but I stuck to Fargo once I learned they had good steal items and Starky because he is my favourite for the most time.

Most of the game filled me with wonder but this feels kind of like a slog. I really hate getting lost in menus though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 20:21:53 2019 No.5953096 Used to beat my meat to the bandit girl you get in the beginning of the game. Thanks for the nostalgia.

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 20:49:42 2019 No.5953160
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>>5953090
The game definitely teases at a lot of potential wonder especially since its blatant that its tropical themes are motifs to a weird, asian aquatic philosophy that im still trying to understand today.

also, I went to the extra effort to assigning characters to my team that would've/coudl've unlocked some kind of dialogue in relation to the dragons and their elemental areas but from I remember there isn't really anything at all.

and the menus, fucking hell, yeah, i get what you mean. it feels so slow and clunky 90% of the time and its a pain having to swap around elements. would've been great if there was an option to allocate a set of elements in each of them so that when you return, you can pop them back in once you decide to keep them on your team.

such a mess of a bloody game. there are small segments where it really shines in potential but they're far and few in between. i can't imagine Sakaguchi being too happy with what Kato did considering he also decided to not hire the writers from RD to help out with his terrible character building.

wouldn't be surprised if the two of them laid the foundations of a domino effect for Square turning ass and them not daring to mention Chrono in enthusiasm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 21:26:17 2019 No.5953225 File: 176 KB, 691x1037, d5euf2y-b3d7b946-191a-41dc-b774-1a6336aef5d1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5945690 I would cut every single character except for Lynx and Harle and make the entire game about their wacky adventures

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 23:00:35 2019 No.5953396

>>5944775
>People too stupid to understand the story, and people too autistic to view the story in its proper context (they try to take it too seriously).
Well, with the level of verbosity poured into some of its story and lore, I think you were meant to be take it seriously on some level. It's a pretty stupid story, though.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:19:13 2019 No.5953749

>>5953160
Allocation and menus didnt really bother me to a huge degree until the 6 dragons and apparently there is a secret optional boss that ends the masamune arc? Is that fight even worth doing if the last 6 fights killed my interest.

It's better when you go to a random place before now random allocation didnt matter as much since you were mostly killing enemies and shit. But since the black dragon was hard I feel like I cant do that or pick new party members I havent used before

But yeah is that masamune fight worth doing for story or any rewards? Or should I just go with the story before it makes me lose interest.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:19:13 2019 No.5953750

>>5953396

Yeah it's typical JRPG convolution, so delicate and complex and filled with holes that you actually do have to work seriously if you want to understand it... but so silly and ultimately shallow and simplistic that you have to refrain from taking it seriously if you're ever going to enjoy it. Unless you're a kid or a fool, in which case your stupidity and/or imagination can easily cover over all the problems, leaving a really awesome game I assume.

>>5953225

I would cut every character, and also the engine and art assets, and replace them with Serious Sam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 03:36:37 2019 No.5953765 >>5953749 >But yeah is that masamune fight worth doing for story or any rewards? Yes it's worth doing for the story and rewards and if you stole the black plate from the black dragon it's impossible to lose.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:17:09 2019 No.5953883

>>5953750
Honestly I love the story but I wish I knew what to call it. I don't exactly take it seriously but it made me emotional. I feel the same about a few other non /vr/ series like Kingdom Hearts and DQ11, and vr series Mother, and FF9. It's just really Japanese I guess?

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 06:23:52 2019 No.5953889

>>5953160
I thought the archipelago setting might be a reference to the large amount of diverse life Darwin studied at the Galapagos because it has tons of cultures/time periods/etc mixed together and the game is partly about Lavos/evolution.

It really feels purposesful and intentional whatever the reason was.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 08:06:05 2019 No.5953976 >>5944775 This. The biggest problems with Chrono Cross have nothing to do with the story. Playing it for the first time currently and it's pretty cool.

Anonymous Thu Oct 17 14:33:03 2019 No.5954628

I agree that this game is a mess. Too much characters, nonsensical plot, etc. But man, the OST and the background art are god-tier. One of the best setting in any game ever, too, and i loved some characters.

I really wish some crazy fan would make a mod for it, with less characters, tighter plot, more balanced combat system etc.I just dont get the complaings about the game being "slow". If CC is too slow, why people here like Breath of Fire II, Final Fantasy 9, Skies of Arcadia, Dragon Quest VII etc.? I mean, we can even avoid most fights in CC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 22:01:22 2019 No.5955327 >>5945260 Your're right. Its horrible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 02:48:16 2019 No.5955704 >>5954628 If there you think there are too many characters just dont use them how is this a real problem Inb4 they're not fully developed Read a book. oh wait you cant even understand a videogame's story so of course you don't read.

Anonymous Fri Oct 18 02:57:45 2019 No.5955710

>>5944775
If you don't mind sitting through hours and hours of unskippable cutscenes then you'll love Xenogears.

>>5954628
I've never heard about anyone complain about the battle system being too slow, it's just too easy and simplified even when compared to other JRPGs at the time.

Anonymous Fri Oct 18 06:48:03 2019 No.5955889

>>5953889
>>5953090 #
The game definitely teases at a lot of potential wonder especially since its blatant that its tropical themes are motifs to a weird, asian aquatic philosophy that im still trying to understand today.

It has to do with how all life came from the sea and crawled on to land. An NPC in Marbule says something like, "we're all dreams of the sea."

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 06:51:08 2019 No.5955892 >>5955889 Oops first paragraph was supposed to be green text. Theres even the name Sea of Eden. Everything points to the sea as the beginning of life

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 09:20:27 2019 No.5956036 >>5944775 Chrono Cross is one of my all time favourites. I think many people were too pissed it wasn't Trigger 2 to play it properly. Very few game evoke such a strong feeling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 11:39:31 2019 No.5956206 >>5955710 See>>5945659

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 09:35:47 2019 No.5957995 >>5944186 good post

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 01:17:28 2019 No.5959824 >>5944167 No idea.

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