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meanwhile, ubisoft btfo mario with the peak of late retro 3d platforming and nobody noticed

>> No.5841156

Is it actually any good? Was always curious to play it.

>> No.5841159

>>5841156
the texture work and atmosphere is top tier for its time. also pretty arthouse at time which is rare for video games

>> No.5841161

>>5841156
It's ok. Definitely check out the PC version, or Dreamcast. Don't even try the N64 or PS1 versions, they look like complete shit in comparison. Just sloppy ports.

>> No.5841163

>>5841150
>Is it actually any good?
If you pretend that Mario 64 doesn't exist then it's alright.

>> No.5841167

>>5841161
>Just sloppy ports.
Do you know what port means? The N64 game is the original.

>> No.5841169

>>5841163
they're different styles. Mario controls a bit better yeah, but he has nothing on the atmosphere and even some of the level design in rayman 2

>> No.5841196

>>5841167
Yes the first release was on N64 but it's like a beta version. A lot of changes and fixes went into the PC release not to mention the way better resolution. Then the Dreamcast version came out, I'd recommend that probably as the best of both worlds, you get to use a controller and it looks good. The PS1 and N64 versions are just shit though unfortunately. They were probably ok at the time but didn't age well, there's no reason to play them today.

>> No.5841201

>>5841196
I've only ever played the n64 version and it's fine

>> No.5841202

Probably the best 5th gen 3D scotformer. Great platforming, great camera and controls, and great atmosphere and sound.

>> No.5841206

>>5841201
Take a look at the Dreamcast or PC versions and see what you've been missing, it's a night and day difference. Literally no reason anyone has to play the N64 version ever again but of course the Nintendo babies will probably try and force their favorite toy onto other people anyways.

>> No.5841213

>>5841169
>atmosphere
Mario 64's atmosphere, created by the combination of Kondo's excellent soundtrack that tonally shifts in perfect unison with levels like Bob-omb Battlefield to Jolly Roger Bay to Cavernous lava levels to snowy mountains that are saturated with character, isn't matched by Rayman 2's forgettable soundtrack and overwhelmingly green, aristicaly questionable, Euro aesthetic.

It is more atmospheric than a lot of its 3D platforming contemporaries though, and it takes a massive dump on corny pointless garbage like the Crash series.

>> No.5841221

>>5841213
it's really just a different style though. rayman went for surreal jungle where every level feeds into the next in a way that makes sense. I'm always blown away by it

>> No.5841226

Rayman 2 is definitely on the list of games where I have an Emperor's New Clothes thing going on with it.

Number one, I was a big Rayman 1 fan, and 2 was a huge step down in terms of aesthetics and music. Plus they rewrote/retconned every supporting character/villain while adding others like Globox where the game acted like they've been there all along and you should know them.

The environments also are pale imitations of the first game's. Like the swamps used to be wild and idiosyncratic, but in the OP image for example it's just kind of a regular swamp with only the occasional reminder you're in a fantasy world, like a plant with a big pink bauble. I know they had more space to fill, but the textures just suck IMO, and I don't think it's because I played it on the wrong platform.

Two, it acts like it's challenge/secret-based like its predecessor, but it's really a lackadaisical platformer with no real interest in being amusingly challenging/cryptic. I admit not many 3D platformers of the time are terribly challenging, but there's something about other games that was more engaging. I think it has a lot to do with how Rayman's powers translated from 2D to 3D, the fist "evolved" in a very lazy where where it's just a projectile now, so I can snipe everything no problem.

Another problem is that the stages are super linear, so being a collectathon actually makes for an agonizing experience when you need to replay shit in the same exact manner rather than having free reign over a big environment.

>> No.5841256

>>5841206
I've played both the N64 and dreamcast version and the N64 version is superb, in terms of enjoyment it's pretty much the same. This is different from other games like San Francisco 2049 which are distinctly better on dreamcast and I prefer to play it on dc. Nice consolewarring though.

>> No.5841261

>>5841226
you really don't HAVE to replay shit though. that's only if you're going for completionist autism

>> No.5841267

>>5841256
The N64 original is also the only version that has dynamic music that changes based on the player's actions.

>> No.5841270
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>>5841213
>This entire bait

>> No.5841275

>>5841270
The truth makes the best bait.

>> No.5841278

>>5841275
Too bad there's not a single one in that one

>> No.5841279

>>5841278
>Durrrrr single one that one one one

>> No.5841280

>>5841256
>>5841267
The other versions have an "enhanced" soundtrack that's much better. Even the PS1 version is better than the N64 release in this regard.
The N64 version has unique glitches the other versions don't have, not to mention all the textures are a lower resolution and there aren't as many polygons on screen as the other versions. Look at Rayman's hands in the N64 version, they don't even have fingers.

>> No.5841285

>>5841280
>even the ps1 version is better
lmao you can't be serious

>> No.5841296

>>5841279
Who are you quoting?

>> No.5841297

>>5841280
>Look at Rayman's hands in the N64 version, they don't even have fingers.
The horror.

>> No.5841382
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>>5841213
Woah, talk about pure fanboyism.

>> No.5841403

>linear obstacle course stages with no wandering around autism
>responsive controls
>god tier music and art direction
>released for pretty much every system ever
what's not to love?

>> No.5841404

>>5841150
Doesn't even come close to Mario. Good meme words though kid

>> No.5841424

>>5841285
The PS1 version has the enhanced soundtrack and fixes a lot of bugs. You Nintendrones never stop

>> No.5841430

>>5841424
list me the glitches of the n64 version lol

>> No.5841432

>>5841430
STAHP

>> No.5841437

>>5841404
Mario 64 is vastly overrated. If I wanted to run around sandbox maps I'd go play some San Andreas.

>> No.5841443

>>5841430
It's the quickest version to speedrun for a reason, brainlet. New here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs52DjoddPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYEl2q32G6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJdsT9AfNzM&t=40s

>> No.5841446

Rayman 3 it's better

>> No.5841460

>>5841443
>skips
I was expecting unplayable shit, those things don't affect the game in the slightest, if you want buggy shit try rayman ds or rayman 3d
>keg glitch
also on the pc version
https://youtu.be/-l1qM8AwOAQ
anyway unga bunga n64 bad

>> No.5841462

>>5841437
>San Andreas
Your taste in GTA games is in line with your taste in 3D platformers. At least you're consistent.

>> No.5841467

>>5841437
>Mario 64 is vastly overrated. If I wanted to run around sandbox maps I'd go play some San Andreas.
Slap yourself

>> No.5841468

>>5841150
>A company made improvements over a launch title several years after the fact.
My god, what a shocker.
Got anymore hot takes there, champ? Like Final Fantasy 12 is more advanced than Summoner?

>> No.5841471

>>5841460
>b-b-but ok fine there are glitches but they aren't as bad as I was expecting so that doesn't count and I'm still right
So we've established there are glitches and you're a goalpost-moving liar.
Next, let's take a look at the graphics between the different versions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etH2Py4xsQw&t=390s
Oof! This explains some of the anger coming from N64 fanboys. Some could even make a case for the PS1 version over the N64 graphically.
Now don't get mad and take it personally kiddo, they're just video games. The N64 version was shit, don't kill the messenger.

>> No.5841479

>>5841468
>A company made improvements over a launch title several years after the fact.
Except it didn't. It's either a pathetic imitation or a decent original game, depending on how you want to look at it.

>> No.5841483

>>5841479
>Rayman 2
>Mario 64 imitation
No. Banjo is an SM64 imitation, Spyro is an SM64 imitation, Jak & Daxter is an SM64 imitation. Rayman 2 is designed more like a traditional linear platformer, and that makes it better.

>> No.5841484

>>5841471
Wait a second. This looks like shitty stretched direct capture, not RGB footage from a CRT. But the video says graphical comparison. You and the uploader must be confused. Either that or you're both drooling retards.

>> No.5841486

>I hold discussions to WIN

>> No.5841487

>>5841484
>i found another goalpost to move

>> No.5841489

>>5841483
>and that makes it better.
Yeah, who cares about mechanics. If I think the structure is better then that's all that matters. Speed Devils is better than A Link to the Past, because Speed Devils is a racing game. Vroooooom!

>> No.5841490

>>5841471
I never said there was no glitches, I asked you to posts those glitches that makes the game unplayable compared to other versions.
And you're saying the n64 is a buggy mess, the videos you posted requires setups or specific movement, and those are small skips (which are also on the PC version), no game-breaking glitches, aka you're over-exaggerating shit.
unga bunga n64 bad

>> No.5841492

>>5841490
>what bugs does the n64 version have that the others don't?
>n-no i just decided they have to be bugs that make the game unplayable actually

>> No.5841496

>>5841492
>these small skips that need specific movement and setups in order to use them make the game unplayable
guess the pc version is complete garbage too lol

>> No.5841498

>I will WIN this discussion VICTORY will be had in this conversation

>> No.5841512

sm64fags sure are easy to trigger.

>> No.5841519

I'm sorry, but Mario 64 isn't that good. In fact, it basically killed platformers because every platformer after it had to have some kind of adventure element shoehorned into the game.

>> No.5841542

>>5841519
Most platformers after it were also 3D because that's what most studios wanted to work with and what most consumers wanted to play at the time, because it was new and impressive to people. Unfortunately other studios didn't have the talent or the perception to do anything other than try to copy Mario 64's structure (and they mostly failed even in this) instead of trying to capture the most important aspects of what makes Mario 64 great, i.e. its physics, movement, and control, with levels designed to flow with them. Nobody got this; even Nintendo post-64 only produced neutered renditions.

And why should studios even try to make something great when you've got a million retards who will be just as happy or even happier if you shovel shit like Sonic Adventure or Crash Bandicoot in front of them as long as the characters are aesthetic nightmares that look like they were focus-tested by downies and there's a ton of tedious garbage to collect and unlock and a pointless march to a 100% completion file.

The genre's too difficult for mediocre designers and its audience is too dumb anyway.

>> No.5841543

>>5841542
underrated post

>> No.5841551

>>5841512
I pray you get a life!
>>5841519
Funny way to admit it's the grandfather of adventure games!

>> No.5841571

>>5841496
The bugs don't make it unplayable.
The N64's graphics do. It would have been playable in the 90s. Today it's just embarrassing next to the Dreamcast.

>> No.5841578

>>5841571
Which is embarrassed by the Ps2

>> No.5841583

>>5841578
No, The PS2 version actually has some lighting problems that the N64 version shares. I much prefer the Dreamcast version. But PS2 is acceptable. Pretty much anything is better than the pile of shit N64 version lol

>> No.5841585

>>5841583
Revolution is the best Rayman 2

>> No.5841591

https://youtu.be/KbEMU7sgkrQ

>> No.5841742
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5841742

*blocks your path*

>> No.5841779
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5841779

>>5841285
>in this regard

>> No.5841794

Rayman 2 versions ranking:

Windows > Dreamcast > N64 > PS2 > PS1 > 3DS > DS

>> No.5841823

>>5841794
>Windows > Dreamcast > N64 > PS2
So uh, yeah, Ps2 is the best version, so, yeah..

>> No.5841845

Is someone really trying to stand up for the PS1 version? It's a well-known botched disaster with lots of the levels missing and other nonsense like that. I admire your mental gymnastics, I really do, but 3rd party onlookers don't always understand the joke.

>> No.5841908

>>5841845
he's probably trolling, must be the same faggot that shitposted on the shadow man thread.

>> No.5841943

>>5841226
How the fuck can someone be a fan of 1? Rayman 1 is complete bullshit eurojank. It looks and sounds great but the level design is among the worst I've ever seen. It's not even a matter of gitting gud. I'm very good at videogames and beat it legit. It was very hard for all the wrong reasons.

>> No.5841984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pexie-250kU

>> No.5842169

>>5841943
>eurojank

>> No.5842308

>>5841845
Wait ive only played the ps1 version. Its shit? What have i been missing? I csn get the pc version is that better?

>> No.5842312

>>5841984
good review

>> No.5842313

>>5841196
>didn’t age well
Fuck does that even mean?

>> No.5842317

>>5842313
N64 has low res textures, PS1 had level changes and entire sections removed. They are the worst way to experience the game behind even the PS2 with that useless lobby and NDS versions.

>> No.5842352

>>5842313
"Aging" is used in the context of comparing game design to the standards people have gotten used to in modern times. Some autists like to treat the term as literal but they're typically REEEing over flaws in their favorite games being pointed out that they simply have gotten used to. As an example, the controls in SM64 have aged beautifully and set a standard rarely touched even decades later, while the camera - though usable - has aged like shit.

>> No.5842417

>>5842352
People don't take it literally. People hate the idea. Concept and the fact that it gets thrown in every disscusion as if it's a disscusion ender. It should be treated like what it is, a meme word
>aged

>> No.5842439

>>5842352
Had zero problem with the camera, aged argument is still stupid, the real argument is how players actually age, aka some grow up and stop playing kids game in favor of games for men.

>> No.5842508

>>5842417
This. It's a fucking retarded zoomer buzzword.

>> No.5842864

>>5842317
Hub worlds are funzies

>> No.5842879

>>5841156
Top tier 3d platformer. PC version plays most "ok" but every port provides little changes of content, PS1 has real voiceover, PS2 is enchanted version, Dreamcast has minigames..
Start with PC version, and if you ever gonna replay it, pick different platform!

>> No.5842882

>>5842508
Zoomer is also a buzzword, what an ironic post.

>> No.5842905

>>5842308
yes, the ps1 version is missing all kinds of content. You know there's this thing called googling, you should try it. .

>> No.5842927

Rayman is the go to game series if you wanna feel like you're taking your step dad's dick up the ass

>> No.5843000

>>5842879
>Start with PC version
No thanks. Going with the N64 version.

>> No.5843159

>>5843000
Bad taste. That version is ugly and has framerate problems.

>> No.5843301

From what I can tell, N64 is the best.
The Dreamcast version is alright, it's pretty much the N64 version but with some cleaner visuals and some added minigames. They replaced the dreamy and mysterious Hall of Doors level select with something else, but it still mechanically works the same way.
The PS1 version is a complete shitshow, so much stuff was cut like (from what I can tell) the complete removal of underwater areas and even characters like Murphy all to make room for voice acting, but, although it looks a little different, they kept the Hall of Doors.
PS2 is kinda like the Dreamcast version with some updated graphics, but it has voice acting like the PS1 version and they replaced the level select thing they had going with the other versions with an actual hub world, which is dumb and unnecessary.
For me, it goes
N64 => Dreamcast > PS2 > PS1
If the Dreamcast version was 1:1 the N64 version but with better graphics and some added content, it would be the definitive way to play the game.

>> No.5843313

>>5843301
>N64 best
nope

>> No.5843314

>>5841424
the ps1 port outright cuts out content, and the polygon counts are much lower

for example, there is no swimming section in the first stage

>> No.5843321

PS2 and dreamcast version... voice acting oh god why

>> No.5843323

>>5843301
Dreamcast version runs at 60fps at a 640x480 res (iirc) along with enhanced graphics and the arranged OST.
Revolution is like a remix of Ray2 with reworked moves and levels that ask you to come back later when you learn new moves, I'll say it's a nice change if you wanna play Ray2 with a twist.

>> No.5843556

>>5843000
Start with whatever you prefer man, you'll enjoy it anyway!

>> No.5843605

>>5843323
>640x480
I'd rather 240p.

>> No.5843736

>>5841167
the dreamcast version was developed first

>> No.5843741

>>5843736
lol, no it wasn't

>> No.5843745

>>5843323
There's more content so surely that's the best version of Rayman 2

>> No.5843746

>Rayman 2's director said the Dreamcast version is the best version

get fucked ps2fags and n64fags

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>>5843746
Dreamcast would be the best version, if it had pic related.

>> No.5844061

>>5841150
>>5841156
The demo was fucking beautiful and another one if those games that inexplicably ran super smooth on crappy PCs. Back when you had to buy a graphics card and do scary surgery on your family computer at age 13, we really cherished a game that looked better and ran better than n64 even though you had a Pentium II 133 mhz

>> No.5844223

>>5841150
I love how you can run on walls and ceilings while riding the rocket horses
Such a fun game. Shame it got overlooked.

>> No.5844227

>>5844034
I prefer Isle of Doors. It more accurately represents the world of Rayman 2, scaled down of course.

>> No.5844397

>>5843746
Fuck him. I'll go with PC

>>5843605
The fuck for?
>>5843301
Thats what the pc version is you idiot. N64 version with max graphics and non-chip music

>> No.5844403

>>5844397
>The fuck for?
It looks better.

>> No.5844406

>>5844223
>Shame it got overlooked.
Are you retarded? Why does /vr/ always think everything is a top secret hidden gem? I guess people want to believe they're part of a cool community that knows some secrets. Rayman 2 is on Gamespot and IGN's best games of all times lists. It's been ported to over 10 platforms. How is it overlooked?

>> No.5844421

>>5844406
Every game gets pockets of indivduals that miss it, so it's not really that bizarre to see every game as a hidden gem, even Super Metroidsss
>also Ps2 is best Rayman 2

>> No.5844574

I'm very biased towards this game, as it was probably the first 3D platformer I've ever played. Love the soundtrack and visuals, it's a very charming game, but the usual points of criticism are valid - it's seems to be a collectathon but the endeavor is pointless apart from extending your life bar by rescuing the Teensies. It also really easy and forgiving, in complete contrast to the predecessor. It's rather linear (unlike Rayman 3 which rewarded experimentation and exploring), and the fights are totally uninteresting apart from the bosses (again, this was improved in R3).
Still, a great game to revisit every now and then. It's not as obnoxious as its sequel but it also feels a bit empty in comparison.

>> No.5844585

>>5842439
games for men.

goddamn that sounds gay

>> No.5844661

>>5844403
>polygons at almost ant size resolution looks better than at much higher resolutions

>> No.5844675

>>5841150
It may be a good game, but Rayman itself is soulless.