/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5778475]

How do I improve at this and SF2? I get to Jade and Nightwolf push my shit in, the only characters whose combos I have memorized are Cyrax, Jax and Saibot.

[Anonymous No.5778478]

>>5778475
If you've ever played a fighting game enough to memorize all of a character's combos, let alone three, it's probably time to move on and play something else.

[Anonymous No.5778480]

MK is one of those games notorious for reading inputs. Best way to beat all of them is to jump kick.

[Anonymous No.5778483]

>>5778475
>How do I improve at this and SF2? I get to Jade and Nightwolf push my shit in, the only characters whose combos I have memorized are Cyrax, Jax and Saibot.
Playing against the computer in these games is all about spamming cheese.

[Anonymous No.5778493]

>>5778478
I've only been playing for three days

>>5778483
>>5778480
Alright, that makes sense. I had a blast playing it with friends this weekend, but for some reason I expected the computer to be easier.

[Anonymous No.5778496]

>>5778480
Gotta get them quarters, goy.

[Anonymous No.5778561]

jade is the most bullshit fighting game character ever

[Anonymous No.5778572]

>>5778496
If you just git gud you can 1cc it on your first try. Input reading is a retard tax that only affects low-tier scrubs.

[Anonymous No.5778574]

>>5778561
>jade is the most bullshit fighting game character ever
Not Human Smoke?

[Anonymous No.5779102]

>>5778561
Jade is utter bullshit and the main reason I made this thread. I only included SF2 because Ryu is a hadouken spamming faggot and every time I get close he shoryukens me. Fighting games are fun but holy fuck are they unforgiving.

[Anonymous No.5779109]

>>5778572
>if you get good at something, you acquire skills to better play the game

You don't say

[Anonymous No.5779640]

>>5779102
Throw and sweep. Most AI in these games have a set behavior for when they're knocked down that you can exploit. UMK3 I recall being susceptible to your own projectile spam if you stay fullscreen.

[Anonymous No.5779694]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RAa8UsoBR4&list=PLQLMtAL1RirqWh-P4YOacJAaFVWWGDNq7

This playlist goes over most A.I exploits

[Anonymous No.5780096]

>>5778475
fastest way to improve is getting your ass on fightcade and keep playing

[Anonymous No.5780102]

>>5779694
>he has to use an exploit

[Anonymous No.5780226]

>>5778475
Why on earth would you want to improve at Mortal Kombat?

[Anonymous No.5780234]

>>5780102
The AI itself is an exploit on humanity

[Anonymous No.5780261]

>>5780102
Every mk success story comes from finding an exploit again the AI and running it into the ground. The game punishes you if you try to mix it up or be clever and think you can improvise.

Few games have AI that feel like you are fighting a human opponent, but early mk was the worst of the worst. Every 1cc ever in this game came from some kind if repeated exploit.

[Anonymous No.5780270]

>>5780261
>Every 1cc ever in this game came from some kind if repeated exploit.
then maybe someone should try doing it legit for once

[Anonymous No.5780275]

>>5780270
Cannot be done. Go ahead and beat MK1 without using a single jumpkick. Just remove the one move from your arsenal and see how far you get by relying on your reflexes and skill alone, using the remaining moveset.

[Anonymous No.5780278]

>>5780275
ok

[Anonymous No.5780280]

>>5778475
First off I'd pick one or the other to focus on to start. MK and SF play very differently so go with whichever appeals more and stick with it a bit and then once you have the overall scope down it's easier to spread out.

At this point if you've got the inputs and combos down, start fightibg real people and learn when and how to use them and when you defend and bait. There will likely be some losses but the more you play the more you'll learn.

>>5778478
Dude, this is where the fun is just starting. Learning the basics and combos in single player is basically training mode. Fighters truly get fun when you dive into multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.5780327]

>>5780270
He's being a bit extremist but generally right. MK's AI is terrible so the only chance it has at winning is to cheat at it's own game. AI characters don't have to charge charge-moves and will read the player's inputs and react to the moves they do before the animation for it even starts. All retro Fighters are like that to some extent, but MK is notoriously bad for it.

The result though is that learning to beat Fighting Games in single player mode is totally different from playing them normally and it's ultimately no where near as satisfying. If you try to fight "fair" the AI will read what you're doing and just block and counter. The key to winning is to suss out what it has the hardest time dealing with (in MK it's jump kicks and sweeps) and spamming the computer with it.

It's a double whammy too because it both makes single player boring and winning feel like a hollow victory and at the same time it teaches you bad habits so when you do try playing real people you fight like a retard trying to cheese AI and invariably get mashed into the ground.

[Anonymous No.5780334]

>>5780327
no it's actually very exciting to exploit the AI, the same way it's exciting to break any game, assuming you didn't watch a video

[Anonymous No.5780343]

>>5780334
If it's exciting for you then have a blast. I think in multiplayer Fighters are one of the best and most fun genres of all time. In single player I think they're one of the worst and most shallow. We don't have to agree though. If you have fun, have fun!

[Anonymous No.5780345]

>>5780334
No it isnt. Whats the point of having different combos and moves if the only way to beat the game is to spam a certain movement over and over from the first to the last fight.

[Anonymous No.5780349]

>>5780345
pretty much all beat em ups rely on exploiting the AI and people have fun with that.

[Anonymous No.5780384]

Not gonna lie, the only way I beat either SF2 or MK2/3 was by cheesing as Kitana and Dhalsim. As Kitana, I just threw fans over and over until they got close, then used the fan lift thingie to push them back. Dhalsim was all about spamming fire until they got in range and then using the long range strikes to beat them down, yoga flame if too close.

Only time I have ever done halfway well against other people was in OMF:2097 as Flail, and in Soul Calibur as Voldo.

[Anonymous No.5780390]

>>5780349
I think Beat Em Ups might be obe of the few genres even more dull than single player in Fighting Games.

[Anonymous No.5780404]

>>5778478
>i am a shitter

[Anonymous No.5780436]

>>5780404
I'm working on a constantly growing backlog bigger than I could ever complete in an entire lifetime. If pretending you're special for playing the same game over and over helps you cope with the grim reality of your situation, by all means. Some people appreciate a wide range of cinema, some watch the same movie over and over until they've memorized every line. You do you, sweety.

[Anonymous No.5780523]

>>5780436
>I'm working on a constantly growing backlog bigger than I could ever complete in an entire lifetime.
that's not something to be proud of

[Anonymous No.5780529]

>>5780436
Of you want to play a whole bunch of games poorly then go for it. Just don't get upset when no obe cares or wants to hear about it.

[Anonymous No.5780534]

>>5780529
Imagine having your ego this tied up on being good at video games.

[Anonymous No.5780549]

>Sheeva teleport
>Sheeva teleport
>Sheeva teleport
>FINISH HIM

[Anonymous No.5780550]

>>5780523
>taking pride in commercial escapism
Weird. I just focus on having fun and enjoying new experiences.
>>>5780529
If you feel the need to project your insecurities onto others like that, I'm probably on the right track with my initial assessment :^)
>>5780534
Nailed it.

[Anonymous No.5780701]

>>5780534
>>5780550
It's not insecurity, I just don't understand the concept of playing a game just to experience it. Especially if you need to cheat to do so. Do you want to build a list of games you completed? Serious question, I don't really get why someone would wantbto play a fighter just to beat the computer and say they saw the ending.

[Anonymous No.5780710]

So bottom line is, the CPU cheats and the only way I'm going to enjoy the game solo is by cheesing the bots and gitting gud. That being said, whats everyones favorite UMK3 character? I loved using Liu Kang to push Sindel's shit in when I was playing with my buddy.

>>5780701
Personally, I'd love to play more with friends, I just don't have time to drive out an hour for a 3 hour gaming session on a whim.

[Anonymous No.5780713]

>>5780710
>just don't have time to drive out an hour for a 3 hour gaming session on a whim.

That's why I like the internet. I can still play with my friends without driving.

[Anonymous No.5780723]

>>5780713
>That's why I like the internet. I can still play with my friends without driving.
A bit like fucking your wife without being in the same room.

[Anonymous No.5780729]

>>5780723
Ehhh I think it's pretty awesome. I can go hunting monsters with my friends who are miles away then kiss my wife who's in this room and go to bed. The future is pretty rad if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.5780732]

>>5780729
>LARPing this hard
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.5780735]

>>5780729
>kiss my wife

[Anonymous No.5780747]

>>5780701
>I just don't understand the concept of playing a game just to experience it
The same as consuming any other literature or media, really. It's both fun and satisfying.
>Especially if you need to cheat to do so
I don't know what you mean by this.
>Do you want to build a list of games you completed?
I catalog my experience with screenshots at key moments to better aid in recalling the games later, but otherwise, no.
>I don't really get why someone would wantbto play a fighter just to beat the computer and say they saw the ending
Depends on the game. If it's fun (Tekken 1/2/3, Blood Roar 1/2) tearing through the missions to see all of the cutscenes can be quite enjoyable. Once I've seen everything, I move on to the next thing.

[Anonymous No.5780787]

>>5780701
Maybe he's just curious what Mortal Kombat is all about, but doesn't have the sheer amount of hours it takes to learn a fighting game before you can play it "for real".

[Anonymous No.5780858]

>>5780701
Some people play games just to play them. That's the best way to play fighting games, too, you know--to put yourself into it and let the things that you've learned flow naturally, interrupting to shake yourself out of a bad habit or adapt to a specific strat on the other side. No one should want to be, or wants to be around, the kind of person who treats games like work as a means to elevate themselves in what they're convinced, contrary to reason, is a metric for superiority over others. Throw the "competitive" aspect around all you want, but even real athletes know how to be humble and talk about "love of the game." The only difference between your average "hardcore" fighting gamer and a severe Asperger's case is their use of slang.

[Anonymous No.5780880]

>>5780404
/vr/ trannies avoid fighting games since their lack of true skill gets exposed hard

anyone can beat any game if they put the time and memorize everything, but no matter what, if you dont develop real skill you will get crushed in fighting games

[Anonymous No.5780893]

>>5780880
I can't tell if this is a well written parody or if you're being serious. Either way, well played anon.

[Anonymous No.5781450]

>>5780747
It might be just different philosophies. I've never been interested in playing through as many games as possible, I tend to try a bunch until one really clicks and then focus on that. Not saying yours is wrong, it's iust different enough from mine it seems odd. But whatever, the point about cheating is that I feel at high difficulties in old fighters especially, beating them does feel like cheating because all you're doing is spamming exploits.

>>5780858
>to put yourself into it and let the things that you've learned flow naturally, interrupting to shake yourself out of a bad habit or adapt to a specific strat on the other side

I agree, but I think single player mode is absolutely terrible for that. And I'm not talking about playing them being work, it's the total opposite. I don't talk up how great player vs player fighting games are because I think it makes me special at all. I do it because I think single player is a bad representation of how incredibly fun the games can be. And nor just at high level. Two people new to a game can have just as much fun as two tourney bros.

Like I said earlier, if you enjoy it then have a blast. Just like all the folks who like Beat Em Ups, I don't have to agree with what someone else finds fun. But if the subject comes up I'm going to give my opinion. I really do think these are some of the best games ever made.

>>5780732
>>5780735
Lol sorry I didn't stay single into my 40's.

[Anonymous No.5782241]

>>5781450
That was a surprisingly reasonable response, thanks anon.
>It might be just different philosophies
You're right.

[Anonymous No.5782436]

>>5781450
>Lol sorry I didn't stay single into my 40's.
Its ok, anon. We're here for you.

[Anonymous No.5783860]

>>5778475
Mortal Kombat is made to be played against a human. Beating single player mode is just about exploiting the AI.