What did you think of the SNES Mode 7 at the time?

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Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:07:14 2018 No.5187493 [Reply] [Original]

What did you think of the SNES Mode 7 at the time?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:14:09 2018 No.5187503 I thought it was p. cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:15:38 2018 No.5187504 >>5187493 It was cool. The sprite scaling was really neat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:16:02 2018 No.5187505 >>5187493 Nothing. I was like, I don't know, 7 or 8? I didn't really understand what it was or why it was impressive, the improved graphics and sound compared to the NES were much more impressive to me than this particular gimmick.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:21:23 2018 No.5187512 >>5187493 I thought it was a good solution to doing fake 3D on an under powered system

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:27:28 2018 No.5187521 >>5187505 >Gimmick Just no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 23:28:36 2018 No.5187525 >>5187505 I kinda agree, but for racing games only. It looks like a total mess and isn't fun at all. For something like Contra 3 or Pilotwings, its pretty cool though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 00:14:52 2018 No.5187603 >>5187521 It was though you faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 00:16:35 2018 No.5187605 >>5187521 Yes, it's a gimmick.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 00:25:08 2018 No.5187617

People didn't care. There was better stuff in the arcades long before. PS1 and N64 era is when people really started caring about 3D, because there weren't games like Mario 64 ever before. Stuff that was marketed as being 3D or pre-rendered was usually taken with a grain of salt, with the exception of PC/DOS games, like Doom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 00:42:47 2018 No.5187649 >>5187493 I came here for Hyperzone.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 01:45:47 2018 No.5187720

>>5187493
it was impressive but the novelty quickly wore off when that's all it had for quite some time, that is, until nintendo and others started producing the expansion chips like superfx

>>5187504
mode 7 never scaled sprites, only a tilemap layer, though some programmers did a very good job convincing players that massive scaling and rotating objects were sprites that you could interact with.

>>5187605
> a defining feature
> merely a gimmick
Z-ZOO-ZOOMERS! gtfo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 01:47:22 2018 No.5187721 >>5187617 > PS1 and N64 era is when people really started caring about 3D > what is the PC? I am a clueless zoomer that was born yesterday you need to leave.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 01:48:25 2018 No.5187723 >>5187720 >defining feature or used in a limited amount of games, a few of them big. in other words a gimmick

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 01:59:08 2018 No.5187730 I wonder how many minds would have been blown if something like this came out at the time when the sega was relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt_He0Ep02o

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 02:25:06 2018 No.5187753 >>5187721 Pretty sure I mentioned PC in my post. Did you not read the whole thing? There were even Atari games that did smooth 3d visuals, like Robot Tank.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 03:55:42 2018 No.5187832 >>5187730 everyone would of just said it looks like a shitty mario kart

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 04:21:03 2018 No.5187869 >>5187720 >limited amount of games fuck off, you clueless fucking faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 11:52:34 2018 No.5188314 File: 48 KB, 759x667, final_fantasy_4_overworld.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5187493 Ugly. It ruined the FF6 map.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:22:26 2018 No.5188351 >>5187617 You mean DOS ROMs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:27:08 2018 No.5188357 I liked it. Felt like the arcade experience was in my home. Some games did make use of it in a gimmicky way but I also thought they were cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:39:06 2018 No.5188364 >>5188314 FFIV's map used mode 7 when you were in the airship.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:41:57 2018 No.5188372

>>5187605
No, it's not a gimmick. When it's useful, it's very useful and can make entire games possible that otherwise wouldn't be nearly as good (like F-Zero). And smart developers can use it tastefully, like Square did in Final Fantasy IV, which was subtle enough that someone in this very thread obviously didn't even know about it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:50:44 2018 No.5188380 >>5188372 it's kind of a gimmick, but that's not a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:51:01 2018 No.5188382 It was essential for racing games. For everything else it was a gimmick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 12:53:24 2018 No.5188384 File: 23 KB, 768x672, hc7ybu9y.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5187493 I thought pic related was impressive, as well as the Toy Story/Jurassic Park FPS sections although not sure if those were actually Mode 7 or not.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 13:08:41 2018 No.5188410

>>5188384

> the Toy Story/Jurassic Park FPS sections although not sure if those were actually Mode 7 or not.

They weren't. You need Super FX to rotate/scale anything but the 2 backgrounds you get with Mode 7, and Toy Story had a similar 3D level on Genesis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 13:16:54 2018 No.5188416 >>5187493 I saw it initially in photos and thought it meant the SNES had scaling graphics, like a SEGA or SNK arcade game. But I was disappointed when it found it can’t scale sprites.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 13:18:18 2018 No.5188418 >>5188410 That was partially wrong, sorry. Both games are brute-forcing the graphics entirely through software, without using the standard SNES background and sprite setups, including Mode 7.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 13:30:29 2018 No.5188434 >>5187493 I still think it's a pretty neat effect desu. I like how it gives the perceived impression of full 3d movement. Dunno, i just think it's cool looking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 14:16:15 2018 No.5188501 >>5187493 I never thought much of it. I was just a kid and things like hardware limitations and sprite scaling/rotation capabilities were lost upon me anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 14:29:50 2018 No.5188526 >>5187493 Back when it came out there was a huge crowd of kids around an F Zero demo at the store and everyone was taking turns crashing into the walls and blowing up.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 15:05:52 2018 No.5188583

>brainlet tier
mode7

>man of intelligence tier
abusing scanlines to quickly draw a road

>elder demigod tier
using scaled sprites to simulate depth

>lord of multiverses tier
making different backgrounds for varying degrees of curved roads and toggling between them

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 17:05:45 2018 No.5188776 >>5187730 Looks like a silky smooth shitty Mario Kart without karts or music.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 17:16:48 2018 No.5188798 >>5187730 It's a cool demo, but the Genesis is going to need some of those cycles for sprites and gameplay logic. Maybe the Sega CD could pull it off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 17:34:51 2018 No.5188827 >>5187493 >What did you think of the SNES Mode 7 at the time? Very cool. I had F-Zero, and I thought it was a 3D game. There was nothing else like it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 17:42:50 2018 No.5188839 It's fine. I don't get why people hate it so much, I guess it's because it was used as an advertising marketing thing, but I think it adds to the visual experience and sometimes gameplay too.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:43:07 2018 No.5189369

It was a gimmick for everything except racing/vehicle games.

In your typical JRPG where they use it for the world map, it just gets in the way. Like in Secret of Mana.

Problem is that most people think that Mode 7 is the name for literally *every* special effect on SNES. That Axelay roller pin effect is NOT Mode 7.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:45:14 2018 No.5189371 >>5187493 >at the time I figure at the time most of us didn't know what that fuck mode 7 was and just thought it was a cool effect. Was pretty far from mindblowing or anything though to anyone who owned a computer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:50:16 2018 No.5189379 >>5189371 >Was pretty far from mindblowing or anything though to anyone who owned a computer You must be an emulator kiddy. PCs couldn't do anything even close to Mode 7 with 1990/1991 hardware.

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:25:44 2018 No.5189407

>>5187605
Please explain how EXACTLY mode 7 is a "gimmick".

I am sure you believe that SMK and F-Zero were worthwhile games, you really think they could have been done without Mode 7?

Give any other effect on any hardware that is not a "gimmick".

Of course you have no explanation for it, you're just a clueless zoomer going around hating on random shit to pretend that you know something better than others do/did and also to troll.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:39:58 2018 No.5189424 File: 1.90 MB, 451x336, power_drift.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5188827 >There was nothing else like it. This is what ignorant Nintendildos really believe.

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 03:40:54 2018 No.5189596 [DELETED]

>>5188384
>Toy Story/Jurassic Park FPS sections although not sure if those were actually Mode 7 or not.

They are not Mode 7. Jurassic Park Mode 7 is a software driven raycaster engine that was created using the SNES's 256 colour mode. Toy Story was coded to use vertical textured strops to create 3D walls. The Toy Story sections actually ran at a faster framerate on the Genesis/ Mega Drive too.

Great video from the programmer of Toy Story showing how it was all made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMMK3QLxSM

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 03:44:29 2018 No.5189604

>>5188384
>Toy Story/Jurassic Park FPS sections although not sure if those were actually Mode 7 or not.

They are not Mode 7. Jurassic Park FPS 3D is a software driven raycaster engine that was created using the SNES's 256 colour mode. Pretty sure it was done the same way Wolfenstein 3D on the SNES was created. Toy Story was coded to use vertical textured strops to create 3D walls. The Toy Story sections actually ran at a faster framerate on the Genesis/ Mega Drive too.

Great video from the programmer of Toy Story showing how it was all made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMMK3QLxSM

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:02:56 2018 No.5189632 >>5189379 PCs were already doing full 3D when the NES was released, much less the SNES. Enjoy the half a dozen games that used the SuperFX chip babby.

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:20:44 2018 No.5189648
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Honestly, none of the 3D features of the SNES impressed me. I already saw DOOM by this time - it was leagues ahead what consoles were doing.

What did impress me about the SNES were games that featured pre-rendered sprites. That was a massive leap forward from 8-bit and early-16 bit gaming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:22:29 2018 No.5189649 I don’t remember it was like 28 years ago

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:23:22 2018 No.5189650 >>5189648 Actually, I take that back - I was impressed with the 3D traps in Yoshi's Island. You know, like when the wall collapses on you in the castle? Was this Mode 7?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:25:22 2018 No.5189653 >>5189650 Yoshi's Island was SuperFX 2.

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 04:29:01 2018 No.5189658

>>5189632
>PCs were already doing full 3D when the NES was released
Yeah, like what?

>>5189650
>I was impressed with the 3D traps in Yoshi's Island. You know, like when the wall collapses on you in the castle? Was this Mode 7?
Nope. Mode 7 is just the rotation or scaling of a entire background layer. For example, it cannot do perspective tricks by itself (like the world map shit in Final Fantasy VI) but can when combined with HDMA.

Those wall collapsing parts in Yoshi's Island are either a canned animation pulled from the ROM or polygonal shit which the SuperFX chip was responsible for.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:21:39 2018 No.5189901 >>5187493 I would've prefered sprite scaling. >>5187504 >>5189650 >>5188384 You should be banned from this board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 13:57:11 2018 No.5190363 >>5187493 Despite playing and enjoying the games, i wasn't aware of its existence. I was just a kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 02:28:07 2018 No.5191586 >>5189424 This game looked so cool in the arcades, until you played it and couldn't figure out where the roads were going https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h253RPBMDE

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 05:56:48 2018 No.5191907 File: 89 KB, 694x490, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5188384 Remember the Tazmanian Devil game for the SNES?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 07:12:39 2018 No.5192009 good for shit like f-zero stupid for shit like that one level in castlevania 4

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 07:16:23 2018 No.5192015 >>5191586 My arcade had a cabinet with a car you could sit in that would swing left to right with the turns in the game. It had a seat belt and everything.

Anonymous Sat Dec 1 10:40:00 2018 No.5192215

I generally did not like this effect as it was super pixelated.

However, a few games made good use out of it. Namely the Super Star Wars just used it as a ground texture.

I never knew what it was actually called until later. Finding out that Nintendo basically pushed developers to include this whether it fit or not explains why it usually looks bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 12:07:41 2018 No.5192356 >>5187503 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 12:09:02 2018 No.5192362 I still think Super Mario Kart (SNES) is one of the best looking games and none of the other full 3D versions has ever lived up to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 15:56:10 2018 No.5192789 >>5189632 Come on dude, just enjoy the games. Let's not turn this into a weird middle school fixation on trying to prove you are mature because of the toys you play with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 17:06:11 2018 No.5192917 >>5192362 Oh god, that's just awful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 18:41:56 2018 No.5193073 >>5189632 >Confirmed not born when the NES was release

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 18:57:20 2018 No.5193096 >>5192917 What's it like being homo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 19:05:34 2018 No.5193110 >>5188798 Sega CD had hardware for sprite scaling and mode 7, look at Soulstar and the racing portions of that Batman game (forgot which)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 22:01:35 2018 No.5193460 Impressive for the time because not even all arcade games had 60 fps 3d but once you see a few games you realize its pretty limited. I even thought super hang on - on genesis was really impressive when I saw on demo in a store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 22:05:04 2018 No.5193463 I don't think mode7 is very interesting. Some of the effects pulled off in Panorama Cotton look far more impressive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 15:40:10 2018 No.5194953 >>5187730 I always found this game to be very impressive for the Mega Drive, it came out in 1990 as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yND5V85iPHc

Anonymous Sun Dec 2 15:51:25 2018 No.5194964
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>>5192362
I completely agree. Just look at this.

Now.the actual track was messy, being a sloppy jagged rotation, but the style is unmatched. My ideal game is 3D with handdrawn characters. Just draw 40 angles. Fuck character models.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 15:58:23 2018 No.5194972 >>5194964 the music too i'm hearing it in my head right now

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 16:10:56 2018 No.5194993 File: 14 KB, 512x448, 2017-09-21-contraiii-plane.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5187493 it was this moment i knew i needed a SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 16:14:24 2018 No.5194998 >>5187493 i rented this game explicitly for its 3D-ish mode 7 graphics on the package ..

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 16:15:27 2018 No.5195000 File: 153 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5194998 this game i mean

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 16:17:28 2018 No.5195003 File: 21 KB, 256x224, Secret_of_Mana_Flammie_Gold_City.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5187493 i fucking love mode 7!! Still do!

Anonymous Sun Dec 2 17:21:02 2018 No.5195113

>>5193110
>Sega CD had hardware for sprite scaling and mode 7, look at Soulstar and the racing portions of that Batman game (forgot which)

There are two batman games on the Sega CD/ Mega CD that use the systems hardware scaling sprites. Both are driving games. The first one is Batman Returns, which was based on the 1992 movie, this was actually a port of the Genesis game, but adds additional driving levels and a CD soundtrack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gloArPEaMk

There is also The Adventures of Batman and Robin, which was based on the cartoon series. This one was nothing but driving. It also contained original animation from WB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgHdjsyWrFY

Both of these games use the same engine. And they do show the impressive scaling abilities of the Sega CD. It is well above what the SNES can do.

There are also games like Soul Star:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvPh7E7ISw

Battlecorps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysd-F-ti1ks

ThunderHawk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPS6ObO7ZdM

That all showcase the scaling capabilities really well. Though one small issue with the SEga CD sprite scaling is that it was generally capped at 20fps because of the bandwidth limitations of the Sega CD to Sega Genesis/ Mega Drive interface. But then again, most of the Sega Super Scaler arcade games ran at 30fps anyway, so 20 was not too bad, all things considering.

Another example is Silpheed, which uses polygons for the player ship and enemies as well as hardware scaling along with pre-rendered FMV backdrops:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR8oqwNZOqQ

Anonymous Mon Dec 3 12:38:52 2018 No.5196646
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I remember the Empire Strikes Back SNES game had a Mode 7 level where you flew a speeder and used tow cables to bring down AT-AT walkers. I thought it was fun and a nice change of pace, but I imagine there were some players who just wanted a run and gun and found it annoying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 00:47:40 2018 No.5197646 >>5196646 All the Super Star Wars games have stages like that. They look and play pretty good. At least as good as the SNES can handle a scaling shooter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 21:03:02 2018 No.5199246 >>5189407 The tilting escape sequence in Super Metroid is also mode 7.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 22:53:17 2018 No.5199458 >>5187493 I had played Space Harrier in the arcades, so it wasn't very impressive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 20:46:03 2018 No.5201228 >>5187493 I remember Nintendo Power pumping it the fuck up. They even made a point to emphasize the meager Mode 7 effect when you defeat a koopa kid. I think Nintendo really wanted a piece of tech as marketable as Sega with their "Blast Processing"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 5 21:05:35 2018 No.5201257 >>5189407 Being a gimmick isn't inherently a negative thing, you absolute retard. Mode 7 can be a gimmick and manage to add to the experience as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 00:45:49 2018 No.5201571 >>5194953 This wasn't even a 32X game? Jesus fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 00:49:18 2018 No.5201580 It was radicool

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 13:38:32 2018 No.5202438 >>5188380 >and here's why that's a GOOD thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 13:52:05 2018 No.5202452 >>5191586 >this came out in 1988

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 14:33:12 2018 No.5202506 >>5201257 No, look the word gimmick up. If something is good and useful it's not a gimmick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 16:16:09 2018 No.5202672 >>5187525 You posted this in another thread and you were wrong then too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:01:38 2018 No.5202732 File: 2.97 MB, 200x180, 1491640725422.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >What did you think of the SNES Mode 7 at the time?

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 17:40:19 2018 No.5202775

>>5202506
I looked it up and I'm still right. This definition doesn't imply what you claim at all.
>a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
The purpose of Mode 7 was to attract attention since you couldn't get the experience it offered elsewhere. It was a gimmick, that's not a bad thing, and you're turbo retarded.

Anonymous Thu Dec 6 22:36:03 2018 No.5203263

>>5202775
>i looked it up
>didn't like what i found
>s i looked real hard to find an alternative "definition" that fit my narrative
>i didn't stop to think that anyone could simply good my "definition" and see what sort of silly game i was playing
>i made a complete and total ass of myself
FTFYK

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 6 23:18:08 2018 No.5203310 >>5203263 >an alternative "definition" that fit my narrative Literally the first definition that shows up on google. Face it retard, it's a gimmick.

Anonymous Fri Dec 7 02:56:31 2018 No.5203549

>>5194953
The opening video is impressive, if it's actually doing 3D calculations instead of a really well done illusion. The main game is painfully low FPS though. Silky smooth movement it ain't. Spectre is a bit more basic looking, but at least it was smoother. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCrCW6jX-BE

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 03:30:59 2018 No.5203575 >>5194953 music is absolutely fucking fantastic in this game. that opening sequence is wonderful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 03:38:41 2018 No.5203581 >>5194953 the x68000 music is also fantastic. this track and the track before rule: https://youtu.be/QLpd8GJlxhE?t=1200

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 7 10:36:14 2018 No.5203914 AREA 1 MATERIAL FACTORY DOO DOO DOO DOOO puf puf pufpufpuf

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