/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4704272]

What was the big deal?

[Anonymous No.4704287]

tifa had big tits

[Anonymous No.4704294]

>>4704287
first post best post

[Anonymous No.4704297]

>>4704272
First ff game to change to 3d models and cd

[Anonymous No.4704301]

good game
good marketing
first numbered FF game released in Yurop

[Anonymous No.4704313]

>>4704272
FFVII was something new in terms of visual/audio. Unlike anything we'd seen before.
It had no competition, it came in a time where players were STARVING for a good RPG game.
And on top of that, it was actually GOOD
That's why.

[Anonymous No.4704326]

>>4704294
2nd post breast post

[Anonymous No.4704328]

>>4704272
At the time of release it was one of the earlier games to have the big marketing pushes we're accustomed to a lot of AAA games now having putting it on a ton of people's radar. What I wanna know is what the hell was with that huge resurgence in popularity it got during the mid 2000s?

[Anonymous No.4704335]

>>4704328
It just happened to align with the childhood/teenage years of the generation that would make nostalgia pandering really become a proper goldmine. Directionless fake adults are the main demographic of any entertainment industry now

[Anonymous No.4704395]

I can't name a single better game that came after it (well, maybe Suikoden II).

[Anonymous No.4704451]

>>4704395
Better have that looked at bro, sounds serious

[Anonymous No.4704467]

>>4704313
>RPG game
>Role Playing Game game

[Anonymous No.4704513]

>>4704301
>first numbered FF game released in Yurop
Pardon?

[Anonymous No.4704525]

>>4704328
Never mind that it showed people what the game was about and why they might want to play it. Compared to Square's previous advertising with FF3...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA5YF7GJIiQ

[Anonymous No.4704526]

>>4704513
Before FFVII, the only FF game released in Europe was the unnumbered Mystic Quest.
FFVII was a big deal to people who didn't import.

[Anonymous No.4704556]

>>4704467
RPG is a genre name, like "Adventure". When we say we want to play a (Genre) game, we really mean we want to play a game that is of a category. You can't play a genre - that's nonsense.

And it's not literally a "Role Playing" game, as in a game where you score by role-playing. So while it looks redundant to write RPG game, semantically it's sound. Dropping "game" would change the subject from a game to a genre, see? When we say RPGs (Plural) that's called a synecdoche - a figure of speech were we refer to something by a part of it. Like using a city's name instead of a sport team's name. The team is not literally "the city", obviously, and you can imagine an instance where "city" is part of the city's name and end up saying something like Dodge City cities, possibly meaning other city's that the sport's team is visiting.

And in our case we are using the genre name to refer to an actual games. To reiterate, "RPG" is not actually a game, it's a genre. Final Fantasy is a game.

[Anonymous No.4704564]

>>4704556
You put a lot of effort into that, and you're still wrong:

>I'm going to play an RPG
Literally: I'm going to play a role playing game.gramatically correct.
>I'm going to play an RPG game
I'm going to play a role playing game game. Not so correct, and rather redundant.

Same meaning, one makes tou sound retarded, end of story. Though tou're still gonna uber post another over thought excuse of a blog post about why everyone else is wrong though...

[Anonymous No.4704571]

>>4704272
When it same out, it has zero real competition, had the best ad campaign as yet seen for any game, was plot driven and cenematic when that wasn't yet common, actually had fast paced gameplay, which the few other RPGs around did not, it had a lot of gameplay beyond just the main quest, tons of optional shit, and it has an enjoyable cast, plot and ost. It was kind of a perfect storm then.

Now, it's still the basic formula that all JRPGs strive for. Honestly, every dev, admittedly or not, would love to end up having their game be "the next FFVII". Even 21 years later. It's (like it or not) the best overall game the genre ever saw.

[Anonymous No.4704572]

>>4704556
This is the most autistic post I've seen in a while. What point are you even tring to make? I'm a different anon but your use of "RPG game" makes you seem like a non English speaker since most of the English speaking world would simply refer to it as an RPG.

[Anonymous No.4704586]

>>4704564
>Literally
You mean conceptually. Because as I just explained Role playing game is a genre name. It's one concept. It's a single concept. So interpreted "literally" you're playing that concept, which by itself is not a game.

>>4704572
The point is that there are people here who would mock something for sounding repetitive. When there's nothing wrong with being repetitive unless you're OCD and OCPD a.k.a control freaks. So now I'm mocking them for ignoring the significance of what was written. Outlining their own misconceptions to make them feel foolish and making them think twice before they pretend to be authorities of anything; video games topic and least of all language.
A taste of their own condescension.

[Anonymous No.4704593]

>>4704272
first turn based rpg translated and released in various european countries
dont really know why it was a big deal in the states when they already had previous final fantasy games

[Anonymous No.4704596]

>>4704513
he meant ff1 to 6 weren't released in europe before ff7, europeans didnt knew what a jrpg was except for the few arpg released for the snes

[Anonymous No.4704619]

>>4704586
Ok, so you're actually, totally retarded then. Got it.

[Anonymous No.4704652]

>>4704593

[Anonymous No.4704654]

It was a gigantic leap for the genre in terms of visuals and presentation.

[Anonymous No.4704698]

basically it was Sony trying to vie with Nintendo. It was a big deal then, Ocarina of Time was shaping up to be a GOAT-tier game (Which it was) so they pushed FF 7 as that was the closest type of thing on PS to Zelda.

It was also going to be a big deal in its own right anyway, FF was a well established series before 7 came out and lots of 2D series were going into 3D era successfully - eg Mario, eg Zelda. So there was high hopes for FF 7 anyway.

It was also a really big game, had proper orchestral music, and for many in the Westwas a good introduction to JRPG style games.

Also around this time Pokemon was a huge hit, so turn-based-action was something people were used to.

Perfect storm of reasons, really. It also helped it was a good game, though I would say in hindsight its probably a bit overrated

[Anonymous No.4704769]

>>4704593
see: >>4704571
Final Fantasy had a devoted following in North America before FF7 but it was still just a significant niche. FF7 went mainstream.

[Anonymous No.4704949]

>>4704556
You don't "it's a racing", or "it's an adventure". Likewise, you can't say "it's a roleplaying". But those three are the genres:

- "Racing" game
- "Adventure" game
- "Roleplaying" game.

"RPG" is shorthand for "roleplaying game". The genre is "roleplaying", just like "racing" is a genre, "adventure" is a genre. Instead of saying "it's a RPG game", you should be saying "it's a roleplaying game".

For comparison:

- "Gran Turismo is a racing game" as opposed to "Gran Turismo is a racing". It is a racing what? "It is a racing game".
- "Final Fantasy VII is a roleplaying game" as opposed to "Final Fantasy VII is a roleplaying". It is a roleplaying what? "It is a roleplaying game/it is an RPG".

By saying "RPG" you are saying it is a game that belongs to the roleplaying genre. Hence why repeating "game" makes no sense, because "RPG" is not the name of the genre, "RP" or "roleplaying" is.

[Anonymous No.4705370]

>>4704564
Literally everyone on the planet calls it RPG game but you. You're wrong. Just like with ATM machine,. Deal. With. It. Pansy.

[Anonymous No.4705374]

Linkin Park: The Game

Really, I stopped playing the moment said angsty edgy shit like "I don't care what your names are and what happens to the world."

It's a bad overrated game.

[Anonymous No.4705469]

>>4704272
It was the right game in the right place with a strong marketing push for it. It was one of the first AAA cinematic console RPGs, the 90s anime boom in the States was kicking into high gear, it was the first FF our European friends got, and the PS1 was on top of the world. Being a pretty good game probably didn't hurt either.

[Anonymous No.4705548]

>>4705374
You played for five minutes?

[Anonymous No.4705553]

>>4705548
That's all it took for the game to prove it was the most linkin park edgy shit.

[Anonymous No.4705563]

This is the worst thread of all time.

[Anonymous No.4705584]

>>4704571
>It's (like it or not) the best overall game the genre ever saw.

[Anonymous No.4705608]

>>4705374
>angsty edgy shit in ff7
literally where

[Anonymous No.4705609]

>>4705608
Play the game first.

[Anonymous No.4705631]

>>4705584
argentino de mierda tenías que ser

[Anonymous No.4705659]

>>4704272
It was a great video game.
>>4705374
>I stopped playing 5 mins in
>it's a bad game
Ok, dickhead.

[Anonymous No.4705667]

>>4705659
You really expect me to keep up an entire game with the biggest Edgelord gaming has ever seen?

[Anonymous No.4705678]

>>4705631
Seriously though, FF VII is far from being the best in the genre, get a grip boludo.

[Anonymous No.4705741]

It was the peak of JRPG gaming. The genre had a niche audience in the US, but really blew up with FFVII.

The cyberpunk setting was a stark change for the serries and set it apart (at the time) from other JRPGs out there. VI had flirted with a steampunk setting but not to the degree VII did.

[Anonymous No.4705775]

>>4705741
>The cyberpunk setting was a stark change for the series and set it apart (at the time) from other JRPGs out there.
I was disappointed when I left Midgar in my first playthrough.

[Anonymous No.4705823]

>>4705775

There's still Corel, and Junon, and Gold Saucer. But there's a really weird falling-off point before that. Like, one minute you're in Mega-City One, and the next minute, you're slinging shit on a chocobo farm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWLaSp-n6k

[Anonymous No.4705837]

>>4705667
That goes to DmC Dante, at least in the first half of the game.

[Anonymous No.4705842]

>>4704949
But it's not "roleplaying". It's called RPG not RP. "Role playing game" is the full genre name. "Game" is part of the name.

The difference between "FF7 is a roleplaying game" and "FF7 is a RPG game" is that the latter tells you the game's genre "RPG" while latter says it's a game involving roleplaying which is false because you don't actually "roleplay" in any RPG. That's a misnomer.

[Anonymous No.4705854]

>>4705609
ive finished it a dozen times

[Anonymous No.4706039]

Personally, this game came out during my time where I was only exposed to cartoon-like games and Nintendo games mainly. I was just about reaching puberty, so playing a gritty game with mature themes instantly clicked with me.

[Anonymous No.4706173]

>>4705854
good for you I guess, then surely you've noticed a dozen times how Cloud was a fucking edgelord

[Anonymous No.4706175]

Anyone know any good FPS shooters?

[Anonymous No.4706182]

This game is soooooo over rated, especially when you consider DUAL ORB 2 came out few years before

[Anonymous No.4706193]

>>4706175
my favorite is Q3A Arena

[Anonymous No.4706198]

The mini games are dope

[Anonymous No.4706214]

>>4706193
Fuck, saw that secondhand but couldn't remember my PIN number when I got to the ATM machine.

[Anonymous No.4706246]

>>4706173
>edgelord
well he does carry a sword

[Anonymous No.4706349]

>>4706246
"I hate everything"
"I don't care what your names are"
"I don't care what happens to the world. Once you pay me I'm out of there"
>slits wrists

You can't possibly say Cloud is a good character or not an edgelord.

[Anonymous No.4706498]

>>4706349
What if I told you Cloud's "character" isn't really Cloud.
See, Sephiroth inherited Jenova's "reunion" ability to control. But "reunion" wasn't it's only ability. It's other ability was the "impersonation of loved ones" which manifested in Cloud.

Cloud was a mirror of whatever others wanted him to be. He became Zack. But he was still "cloud" because Tifa had her own memories that influences Jenova infused Cloud's identity. And the bad attitude was what Barrett expected a Solider to be like.

People don't get what makes Cloud and Sephiroth rivals in the first place. Sephiroth is the Ego. Cloud is the ID. Sephiroth developed a god complex with illusions of grandeur to compensate the fact that he was a freak accident. The whole "destroyer of worlds" this was his invention. But the truth was in Cloud - Jenova didn't destroy the ancients, it needed them to replicate/repair itself in the same way humans are dependent on the planet. Get it?
As a hybrid, this made Sephiroth self-sufficient and independently - but that's the crux of his relationship with Cloud. He can control Cloud. But Cloud having Jenova's "glamour" or whatever you want to call it. gave him the leverage to defy Sephiroth being strong-willed and independent.

This has interesting implications on Hojo's experiments with Cloud and Zack. Hojo write's off Cloud's catatonic state as Mako Poisoning. Hojo saw Cloud as an experiment, a puppet, and naturally that's the role Jenova's ability then performed.

[Anonymous No.4706528]

>FF15
>highly detailed huge open world
>meh
>FF7
>prerendered painted backgrounds
>ooooh
Simpler times

[Anonymous No.4706552]

>>4706528
3D graphics were kinda of a big deal along with CD-ROMs. It was a big leap for any franchise. And nobody's bring up the fact that the franchise moved away from Nintendo?

[Anonymous No.4706573]

>>4706349
Did... did you even play the game? His personality is a facade to deal with trauma. He's probably one of the earliest examples of a videogame character suffering psychological problems.

[Anonymous No.4706579]

>>4704313
yeah, when ya got the IQ of an amoeba the game sure is good!

[Anonymous No.4706587]

>>4706573
What?
Even FF6 dealt with psychological problems, further more FF7 did a shit job at dealing with anything, as presents a disgusting cheesy absurd world with looney characters and tons of invisible walls and unfinished minigames. The story makes no sense and changes the plott at will and plays it super straight by the numbers.

And my final argument which puts any of yours into the grave:
Because of final fantasy7, final fantasy 15 is the disgusting cheesy shit game it is. Because marketing towards idiots makes the most money. And this is what marketing for idiots looks like. I bet you got an iphone.

[Anonymous No.4706594]

>>4706587
>posts jarjar
>is a retard
It's like pottery

[Anonymous No.4706602]

>>4706587
Final Fantasy has never tried to be serious. It's aimed at a young teenage audience.

[Anonymous No.4706605]

>>4706602
yeah, thats why FF3 deals with suicide.. mhm, sure...

[Anonymous No.4706656]

>>4706587
>changes the plott at will and plays it super straight by the numbers.
Why would a by-the-numbers plot need change 'at will'?

[Anonymous No.4706664]

>>4706656
the by the numbers part is the heroes and villains, the changing plot for its fitting fitting is also typical for by the numbers movies, like adam sandler movies for example, or Paul Blart: Mall Cop

[Anonymous No.4706859]

>ITT: people taking the bait, oh, and maybe a filthy crossboarder, too; and some occasional actual factual on-topic discussion

[Anonymous No.4706865]

>>4704272
It was a HUGE technical upgrade with its 3d models moving over prerendered backgrounds and having a battle system with a dynamic floating camera that could move and focus on the action, while also having a soundtrack by Uematsu in his prime. It was one of the killer apps for PlayStation and a huge technical improvement over the gen 4 consoles due to cds having the room to handle large volumes of images and prerendered movies.

It was a huge milestone in game cinematography, taking the various technologies that had been building over the years and utilizing them in a manner that was more than just a novelty like the fmv cd games or gen 4 graphics with CD quality music.

[Anonymous No.4706869]

>>4706859

You just summed up every thread on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4706875]

>>4706552
I’d put that on the Playstation at large, being a quality console released well before the N64 with much looser restrictions compared to the child friendly Nintendo brand. It was definitely what got me personally to jump ship, but the console wars had been significantly raging since the Genesis. I’d call it more of a strike against Nintendo than a boon for Square.

[Anonymous No.4706903]

The deal is that the only part of the game that is really good and appealing is the first part, before you leave Midgar
A whole lot of people that shill FFVII on gaming blogs and youtube channels only played this far. So...

[Anonymous No.4707432]

>>4706903
I actually think Midgar is one of the more boring parts of the game. But then again, I always felt more attachment to the larger themes than the action-orientated Midgar opening.

[Anonymous No.4707539]

Can someone help me get FFVII run with mods, pretty please? I have the game on Steam and had to convert it to 1998 version, but it just gives me all these errors when I try to load it with 7th Heaven. I searched google and the directions are so fragmented, some download links don't even work anymore...I think I might be late to FFVII modding? I want to make the backgrounds smooth for one thing, and for some reason I *have* to convert it to the 98 version for that.
I tried asking on /wsr/ & /v/ but got nothin :c

[Anonymous No.4707574]

>>4707432
Forgotten Capital is one of the best tracks on the soundtrack. Really sells the location as almost incomprehensible to the modern world.

[Anonymous No.4707879]

>>4704272
you had to be there it was pretty hype at the time

[Anonymous No.4707906]

The big deal was that it was the first Final Fantasy game that had good advertising, even I remember seeing the commercials on TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDz9A4ByHIQ

[Anonymous No.4707915]

After almost a decade of blindly hating on the game, I decided to give it a go on my PSP, I hope I end up liking it as much as you guys.

Just one question: do characters have roles assigned or the materia system is really as open as it seems?
Surely there must be a character that's better at healing than others besides Aeris.

[Anonymous No.4707921]

It's a big game

[Anonymous No.4707938]

>>4707915
Their are minute differences between characters that suggest certain FF "Classes" but it's really completely down to their limit breaks and which you prefer or if they have certain weapons like for example Cid's triple growth weapon or Yuffie's Comformer which is the only weapon in the game that makes Morph not useless.

Their level up stats are weighted certain ways for instance Barret has huge HP gain when he levels and thus he's more suited to heavy materia builds as they negatively affect HP and Barrets HP growth can offset it plus his ultimate weapon's strength is determined by how much AP his materia equipped.

Overall Cloud is the best Magic stat after Aeris so he's technically the next best healer but a Red XIII is fine too.

[Anonymous No.4707939]

>>4707915
I don't remember if the characters' baseline stats are different enough to matter, but the materia itself levels up as you use it. so whoever you want main healing, you would give the Restore materia with the most xp already on it so they can cast higher level heals sooner

[Anonymous No.4707943]

>>4707921
Most of all it's a complete game. I can't believe what people are willing to put up with today.

[Anonymous No.4707956]

>>4705374
At least fight the first boss

[Anonymous No.4708004]

>>4707939
Materia gains AP in battles from being equipped onto weapons and armour, not from being used.

[Anonymous No.4708035]

>>4704328

>>4704335
Kingdom Hearts came out and was really popular. It used a lot of FF7 characters and Cloud with Vincent's cape and claw and bandaged sword fighting Sephiroth as a secret boss in the Hercules world was the coolest shit ever to kids who played ff7.

[Anonymous No.4708050]

>>4705823
>>4705775
It was striking but in order to play up the environmental themes they contrasted it with regular hick towns and farms so it made sense.

Nowadays it'd make more sense for the ratio of cyberpunk city to forest towns to be like 85%-90% cyberpunk that stretched the whole world, instead of single city. But I think they wanted it to still feel like a ff overworld.

I wonder what the remake will do.

[Anonymous No.4708070]

>>4705370
Nobody I know says either of these

[Anonymous No.4708550]

>>4708070
Yeah, CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYBODY LOSER BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!

[Anonymous No.4708740]

>>4705775

Same. Midgar is still my favorite part of the game. I just like playing that part.

[Anonymous No.4708742]

>>4706573
>>4706498
>cloud is a lot deeper than that

so is Krusty the Clown, but if you don't like his schtick the depth changes nothing.

[Anonymous No.4708787]

>>4706587
>The story makes no sense and changes the plott at will and plays it super straight by the numbers.

Imagine being so much of a brainlet you find a children's game's plot difficult to understand.

[Anonymous No.4709065]

>>4706349
>>4706587
I know people say underage b& all the time, but this guy can't be more than 13 years old right now.

[Anonymous No.4709135]

>>4709065
Is he lying tho?

[Anonymous No.4709147]

Same thing as Ocarina of Time
"O SHIT IT'S 3D BEST GAME EVER SO REVOLUTIONARY"
But it's actually mediocre

[Anonymous No.4709167]

>>4704272
It's a good game, but some people don't like it as much. Didn't age the best but I think it's fun.

[Anonymous No.4709367]

the big deal was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T3srk8Dkuo

[Anonymous No.4709382]

>>4704272
Threadly reminder to check out New Threat

[Anonymous No.4710320]

>>4709367
step the !@#$ back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJzfOA9uV6E

[Anonymous No.4710351]

>>4704571
But it's not even the best final fantasy, VIII is

[Anonymous No.4710410]

>>4709367
I'm playing ff7 for the first time at 30. When I got here I just had to put the controller down and listen to it because the music was so goddamn good. I love how it sounds like native american drumming but with a banjo that changes to an electric guitar. It evokes so much feelings of the wild west and america and it's just so good.

[Anonymous No.4710415]

>>4704272
Prerendered backgrounds on a CD-ROMs.