A "Modern" CRT Televison

File: 10 KB, 300x225, s-l300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

A "Modern" CRT Televison Anonymous Mon Jan 15 11:42:15 2018 No.4524801 [Reply] [Original]

What is the possibility that new CRT TV's could be produced? Given that old CRT's are slowly and surely ceasing to exist. I feel like there is a big enough niche market for a manufacturer to produce modern CRT TVs.
It would use the tech that makes a CRT what it is. While adding any applicable modern technology. The price would surely come at a premium. But the image would be objectively the best option for retro technology. It may even be able to lose some weight and size with today's techniques.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 11:46:10 2018 No.4524805 >>4524801 Crowdfunding will do it eventually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:06:58 2018 No.4524832 No

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 15 12:18:24 2018 No.4524845
File: 25 KB, 648x209, new cast iron toys.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4524832
This basically

>>4524805
But probably this.

Since we can get brand new cast iron mechanical banks for $35 I suppose as technology progresses it'll eventually be relatively trivial to make CRTs. Probably just in time for 90% of the people who would appreciate them unironically to be dead and the rest too old to care much about anything just like the current unironic market for cast iron mechanical banks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:19:44 2018 No.4524846 >What is the possibility that new CRT TV's could be produced? Zero. >I feel like there is a big enough niche market for a manufacturer to produce modern CRT TVs. You're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:23:30 2018 No.4524848 >crts are hard to find >crts are expensive >crts are a hobby >crts take too much space I hate those memes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:25:13 2018 No.4524850 >>4524848 >CRTs are dangerous >CRTs will give you cancer >CRTs pollute Those are my favorites

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:29:15 2018 No.4524854 The process of making a CRT, a good one anyway, takes extreme skilled to mold the glass correctly. If it does get crowdfunded somehow, it’ll be a pale comparison to a real one, especially a pvmeme.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 15 12:35:21 2018 No.4524857

>>4524854
It's actually more about the fineness of the actual screen i.e. the "aperture grille" or "shadow mask" or "tridot". Natural progression of precision will go to work but it's true people won't want to pay for the best so probably there will be crts manufactured specifically for 240p or even for console-specific resolutions.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:38:47 2018 No.4524861

>>4524857
Some guy started making vacuum tubes again. His quality seems like its okay, but it took like three years, and yeah, he was a hipster so he literally couldn't into manufacturing processes at first, and couldn't find enough info on how they were actually manufactured efficiently.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:39:38 2018 No.4524862

>>4524846
I don't really get this pessimistic view if there is a market for it. Even if it's a small one. It'd be one thing if modern televisions could work well with this retro technology that people still use today. But they can't. And likely won't ever. So if people are willing to cough up 300-400 smacks for a nice new 32 or so inch CRT. Why not?
It's not like it's obsolete technology. Like a VCR for example. Many people still play older video game consoles today. Since the library is vast and 80% of it hasn't been ported in one way or another. SO much so that there is an entire board on 4chan dedicated to it.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 15 12:43:57 2018 No.4524867

>>4524862
It would cost way, way more than $400 right now because the production would have to be restarted and the demand isn't high enough. These are huge factors in manufacturing and it's a fact that new CRTs will not be manufactured again for at least a decade maybe decades.

>>4524861
I mean, there's no reason a hipstar can't also turn out to be an innovator. It was probably just one passionate hobbyist fucking around in his garage that came up with a cheap process to make those iron banks I posted again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:47:16 2018 No.4524871 >>4524862 All the retro consoles and computers will die long before crts and who gives a crap about authenticity and input lag when you're emulating

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 15 12:50:45 2018 No.4524875 >>4524871 The way a real light gun works alone will probably be enough to see an eventual return to CRTs. Unless they come up with a better way before then but it seems unlikely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:54:09 2018 No.4524878 >>4524875 >muh light guns I see this argument all the time but there's no way the genre is large enough to justify this.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 15 12:59:16 2018 No.4524885

>>4524878
Not until the production cost becomes trivial i.e. decades and there may well be a better alternative by that time. Hell maybe we'll all be living forever in The Internet before then I don't fucking know. I'm a futurist not a prognosticator. Look at me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:59:43 2018 No.4524887
File: 92 KB, 975x1024, Johnny niggerbank.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4524857
The screen is probably one of the easiest things to make, simple lithographic etching would do it. Applying the phosphor accurately would be much more of a challenge.

>>4524861
I've seen vacuum tubes (valves) made from scratch using incredibly basic materials, tools and techniques. Not even in the same ball park tbqh.

>>4524867
I don't think those type of iron banks ever stopped being made. I've seen them sold continuously since the mid-80s (as far back as my living memory reaches) and actually own a reproduction example of pic related which was bought new in the early-90s. I could conceivably set up a sand-casting operation in my back garden to make my own. The same could NOT be said for manufacturing even the shittiest CRT imaginable, particularly a colour one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:13:46 2018 No.4524905 >>4524805 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:17:35 2018 No.4524914 >>4524885 the LED TVs response times are already getting into the 7ms zone, it won't be long until 2ms or even 1 ms, that's more than enough for the lightgun thing. What new TVs is lacking is a good CRT TV emulator.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:34:44 2018 No.4524953 >>4524805 >>4524905 I too am looking forward to seeing the world's first $100m+ crowdfund for a massively niche product. Dream on guys, it's adorably naive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:36:39 2018 No.4524960 >>4524914 >What new TVs is lacking is a good CRT TV emulator. >CRT TV emulator What?

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:37:46 2018 No.4524963

>>4524887
>I don't think those type of iron banks ever stopped being made. I've seen them sold continuously since the mid-80s (as far back as my living memory reaches) and actually own a reproduction example of pic related which was bought new in the early-90s. I could conceivably set up a sand-casting operation in my back garden to make my own. The same could NOT be said for manufacturing even the shittiest CRT imaginable, particularly a colour one.

Close to where I live, there are a lot of amish communities. They still sell (and always have) these types of banks and cast iron children's toys. Though most of the toys are now aluminum since it's easier to cast. These banks are a really poor example because like you said, they've always been made. Even back in the 80s chink repros vastly outnumbered the real vintage ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:39:59 2018 No.4524965 >>4524914 Why are you calling a LCD for a LED TV anon? There is such a thing, but it isn't used outside of billboards, because dimming 6 million points is hard, and its even harder to manufacture 48 million LED's just to get working color depth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:42:34 2018 No.4524969 >>4524953 Factories still exist that can manufacture tubes. There are things like the Ouya that scored 8 million dollars. There really isn't that much of a problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 13:56:56 2018 No.4524996 >>4524969 Well, when it happens you can feel free to say "I told you so".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:01:02 2018 No.4525006 >>4524960 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfWSrBNs7Bc >>4524965 https://displaylag.com/display-database/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:03:28 2018 No.4525009 >>4524960 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzB0YdHn64

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:10:49 2018 No.4525027 File: 26 KB, 500x375, Sad_ghaddafi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4525006 >10ms to display a fucking picture >At 144hz >With display queuing sync, so no full frame waits why

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:18:23 2018 No.4525038 >>4525027 What do you mean? I think by the time it gets to 4ms range it'll be okay, since SNES itself has a input lag of 3~4ms. That should be about the same for NES. So the light gun problems will be over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:25:58 2018 No.4525047 >>4525006 >>4525009 Why would you want filters fucking up your image? I realize SD video looks like shit on a modern screen, but skewed geometry and bloom is not the solution.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 14:58:25 2018 No.4525080 >>4525047 That's why I said it needs a good CRT emulation.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 16:19:00 2018 No.4525227

>>4524965

It's a marketing term for lcd tvs that use led for backlight. Older ones didn't use led but instead used fluorescent type lighting. Read all about it here anon: https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-lcd-and-led.htm

I hope this wasn't bait (I think it was) but I can't stand someone being this dumb, so have some education from that link.

Swift S. Lawliet !!VIQsbxF6xwO Mon Jan 15 19:45:10 2018 No.4525539

>>4524832
Most likely.

>>4524805
I hope.

Apparently, there are many brand new CRTs being manufactured in third-world countries but even they are getting harder and harder to find, plus they're generally by no-name brands and they lack the better video signals (S-Video, RGB SCART, Component YPbPr).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:00:24 2018 No.4525736 there is a korean company still producing CRT arcade monitors. They even ship worldwide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:08:58 2018 No.4525758 File: 289 KB, 1280x960, tumblr_o0ms9fRa9S1rppy76o3_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4524801 "huei i electronics" taiwan still produces quality arcade monitors. they ship worldwide

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:29:50 2018 No.4525796 >>4524846 You provided such...compelling arguments, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:32:49 2018 No.4525802 In theory you could make a homemade CRT...or at least a monochrome tube anyway, you couldn't really do it with a color one.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:35:59 2018 No.4525805

>>4524887
>The screen is probably one of the easiest things to make, simple lithographic etching would do it. Applying the phosphor accurately would be much more of a challenge.

It should be fairly easy for monochrome tubes since there's just a continuous layer of phosphor. I don't know what you'd do for color tubes though.

>I've seen vacuum tubes (valves) made from scratch using incredibly basic materials, tools and techniques. Not even in the same ball park tbqh.

A CRT is really just a bigger vacuum tube though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:37:54 2018 No.4525809 >>4524845 >Since we can get brand new cast iron mechanical banks for $35 I suppose as technology progresses it'll eventually be relatively trivial to make CRTs The technology has existed since the 1940s, it's not exactly rocket science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:41:25 2018 No.4525813 >>4525758 People are dumbasses and don't realize there will always be niche businesses continuing onwards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:45:51 2018 No.4525818 >>4524854 In the very early days, CRTs were blown by hand but by about 1952, they switched to machine-blown tubes as this allowed higher yields and more consistent glass quality.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:48:54 2018 No.4525826 >>4524996 I don't really care though. I got my hoarded lifetime supply of Trinitrons. Just saying it's not far fetched.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 21:51:02 2018 No.4525829 Are you guys talking about making homemade CRTs in your basement or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:00:00 2018 No.4525836 >>4525829 I think in theory it would be possible, at least for making monochrome tubes. Color CRTs no way. How would you apply all those thousands of phosphor dots and what would you do for a shadow mask?

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:01:12 2018 No.4525838

>>4524801
0.

Regulations in most 1st world nations outright forbid their manufacturing and it's questionable whether or not you'd be able to receive an exemption without showing a dire need that couldn't be filled by used equipment. On top of that, all the CRT manufacturing equipment has either been destroyed or sold off to Indian manufacturers, so your costs would be outrageous - far more than a startup could afford.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:04:04 2018 No.4525841 [DELETED]

>>4525838
>Regulations in most 1st world nations outright forbid their manufacturing and it's questionable whether or not you'd be able to receive an exemption without showing a dire need that couldn't be filled by used equipment

I bet you also think Prohibition stopped people from making hooch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:05:32 2018 No.4525843 >>4525838 Ok, but CRTs were made in chink sweatshops for years anyway prior to manufacturers discontinuing them. You think the average TV you bought in 1995 was still made in the US?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:16:32 2018 No.4525853 The south east asian factories that produced CRT's only closed down 8 years ago. If you can come up with a simple circuit that feeds RGB straight to the tube. No need for OSD, audio, TV tuner. Just make it a simple monitor.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:17:30 2018 No.4525856

>>4525838
I'm surprised it took this long in the thread for anyone to mention that environmental policies will render making new CRTs impossible.

>>4525843
I imagine 1st world countries would not allow their importation either. CRTs shall inevitably end up in landfills, which we know is terrible for the environment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:17:57 2018 No.4525858 >>4525838 When was the last time anyone manufactured something in a first world nation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:18:18 2018 No.4525860 It could probably be crowdsourced if need be.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:19:02 2018 No.4525862

>>4525856
>I imagine 1st world countries would not allow their importation either. CRTs shall inevitably end up in landfills, which we know is terrible for the environment.
No, there are import rules for commercial selling.
A chink company manufacturing them locally and selling them online would be totally fine.

You realize CRTs are still made?

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:20:39 2018 No.4525864

Right now, there's no point. Why would I go and buy a new CRT, likely costing a lot of money and having a poor picture quality due to it being a niche work that nobody really cares that much about and also costing a huge amount to ship anywhere, when I can just go to any salvation army and get an old working CRT, sometimes large ones with 20"+ screens, for 25 bucks or less? That's less than what it would cost just to SHIP a new CRT these days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:40:59 2018 No.4525893 >>4525864 why are you assuming it would look like shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:46:16 2018 No.4525903 >>4525862 Yes but they're all really shitty chink CRTs nowhere near as good quality as a 90s Triniton.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:51:10 2018 No.4525910 >>4525836 Plus converging the electron guns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 22:57:37 2018 No.4525916 >>4525903 Not only chinks.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:22:22 2018 No.4525948

At some point CRTs are simply not going to be worth bothering with. The cost and difficulty involved in restarting CRT production in a way that matches the quality of good '90s models is far higher than just improving modern display and upscaler technology. You can already get LCD displays with latency rivaling that of late-model CRTs with digital comb filters, and sooner or later OLED will get there as well. Combine that with a good lag-free upscaler and a scanline generator if you're into that sort of thing, and all but the most autistic of collectors will be satisfied.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:28:20 2018 No.4525956 >>4525948 I already did the sensible thing and just stuffed some nice CRTs into storage as backup. Benefits of living in your own big house.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:30:36 2018 No.4525960

>>4525948
>The cost and difficulty involved in restarting CRT production in a way that matches the quality of good '90s models is far higher than
The large majority of TVs in use in the 90s-2000s were crap brands with RF or composite outputs, not Sony Wegas. You have a pretty skewered idea of the average consumer TV of that time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:34:16 2018 No.4525969 >>4525956 >Benefits of living in your mom's own big house I know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:36:45 2018 No.4525979 >>4525960 Way to miss the point.

Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:38:54 2018 No.4525984
File: 69 KB, 1000x784, abnrzuozbqxrlgdmcfiu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4525979
I got the point. He's a PVM autist from the CRT general containment thread and probably too underage to realize that this was a far more common thing you'd have a game console connected to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:45:20 2018 No.4526001 >>4525984 You're the only one talking about PVMs here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 23:48:49 2018 No.4526009 >>4525969 Yup. My dad built this house 40 years ago. They are both dead now though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 01:01:38 2018 No.4526169 What TV model is that on the OP?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 01:46:50 2018 No.4526309 File: 521 KB, 2279x1080, 2017-02-18-05-18-55-5177.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who needs physical CRTs when you have VR? http://www.emuvr.net/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sltqN6Rlh2Y

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 01:49:02 2018 No.4526317 >>4526309 woah, can't tell if that's CGI or the real world.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 01:54:42 2018 No.4526334

>>4524801
>What is the possibility that new CRT TV's could be produced?

zero

>>4524805
nope. crowdfunding can't put together the vast and expensive array of manufacturing technologies needed for this. nowhere close

Stop worshipping CRTs. those of us who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:09:05 2018 No.4526357 >>4524848 A decent CRT relevant to this niche hobby is hard to find

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:17:54 2018 No.4526370 >>4526334 >nope. crowdfunding can't put together the vast and expensive array of manufacturing technologies needed for this You do realize it's a technology from the 1940s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:26:28 2018 No.4526382 >>4526357 And another PVMfag has escaped its containment thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:33:45 2018 No.4526402 I don't think there will be a mass industry of millions of CRTs a year again because there aren't enough normalfags to buy them. There could be a niche/craft industry depending.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:36:28 2018 No.4526410

>>4524887
>The screen is probably one of the easiest things to make, simple lithographic etching would do it. Applying the phosphor accurately would be much more of a challenge.

I agree. If you can do glass blowing, you should be able to make a picture tube. Applying the phosphor and sealing it would be a challenge though.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:50:50 2018 No.4526425

>>4526334
>nope. crowdfunding can't put together the vast and expensive array of manufacturing technologies needed for this. nowhere close
>Stop worshipping CRTs. those of us who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them.
What? 20 million with good management should do it, even if they will pocket a million for themselves, manufacturing plants that work exist and still release monitors, a nice arcade monitor with RGB inputs is all people would want.
Amounts like that are nothing these days for cround founding, specially with the hipster trend of "muh CRT" and every retard wanting one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:52:05 2018 No.4526426 >>4526357 Not really, I can open any sales site and find a nice 28"+ black Tinitron with SCART RGB inputs in the proximity of 80KM for 5-10€ (or free) and just go pick it up with my car, it's not that bulky.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:53:20 2018 No.4526428 >>4525984 Indeed, but nice Trinitrons where nothing weird in the 80's or 90's if your family was well off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 02:58:27 2018 No.4526432 >>4526334 >those of us who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them. That's true. I was excited the first time I plugged my snes into a LCD tv. But then I instantly knew I was keeping my old CRT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:00:36 2018 No.4526437 >>4524801 >I feel like there is a big enough niche market for a manufacturer to produce modern CRT TVs. You're incredibly wrong.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:08:59 2018 No.4526447

>>4524801
Every so often there's some story about the "last" CRT production line shutting down. I guess one of these days it won't be fake news but there can only be one "last". You can still find brand new CRTs on store shelves throughout the 3rd world. They're coming from somewhere. It's possible they're NOS but just as possible the latest claim they're not being made is just as bogus as the last several.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:11:41 2018 No.4526453 >>4526437 >>4526334 >>4524846 How many more times are you going to post this same reply?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:12:45 2018 No.4526457 >>4526425 Besides, the things were a mass-produced consumer item for decades. The cost of making them can't be that bad.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:17:24 2018 No.4526465

>>4526425
Making a CRT like the top-line Sonys would be more expensive but some low-tier shit like >>4525984 can be done without too much expense and if given the choice, it's better than nothing at all. But the idea of Trinitron/Wega-level CRT TVs coming back? Not happening.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:34:39 2018 No.4526485

One day all consoles and CRTs will die.
All we or our offspring will have is flat screens and FPGA clones.

But somehow I think, even if not by crowdfunding, even some bigger company might release some as a niche, even with a loss. But the quality? Who knows.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:36:39 2018 No.4526492 >there are gayming monitors and projectors costing 20 0000 - 40 000 USD >yet nobody will make a CRT because /vr/ is poor

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:37:00 2018 No.4526495 >>4526457 What is economy of scale?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:41:10 2018 No.4526506 >>4526457 CPUs are also mass-produced consumer items. Doesn't mean Joe Rando is going to be able to start up a semiconductor fab with Kickstarter money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:41:41 2018 No.4526507 >>4526495 When we talk about a few thousand units already, the price goes down significantly This could literally be a one time production run makes a few thousand units, I'd happily pay 2000€ for a good modern CRT

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:43:17 2018 No.4526509

>>4526506
You don't have to start a fab, you just contract a existing fab to make you a production run
The machinery and factories are there, it all depends what the product should be, even moulds and components for aperture grille crts could easily be fitted on a random CRT assembly line if you have the money

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:47:43 2018 No.4526515 >>4526506 Who the fuck is Joe Rando?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:50:53 2018 No.4526520 >>4526506 CPUs rarely fail though while a CRT has electron guns and phosphor with a finite lifespan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:52:55 2018 No.4526524 >>4526509 The general rule in manufacturing is that you need to make a minimum 10,000 of something for your operation to be profitable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 03:57:02 2018 No.4526527 >>4526509 Depends. Some manufacturers will refuse to talk to you unless you're a representative for a reputable company, not just some random neckbeard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 04:06:25 2018 No.4526536 CRT tv are a fucking pain in the ass to produce and there is no way new ones will be produced without an incredible demand, which is never

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 04:52:00 2018 No.4526589 >>4526453 >>4526536 Apparently not enough times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:15:59 2018 No.4526626 >>4525758 >wei ya >quality You need your head checked. Zenith made better gear, and Zenith was the absolute worst back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:18:59 2018 No.4526631 >>4526334 >Stop worshipping CRTs. those of us who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them. Very true. But some of us learned better, and regret that we weren't smarter to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:22:14 2018 No.4526636 Can /vr/ please stop talking about CRTs? It’s frankly gatekeeping behavior in this community and I won’t abide by it any further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:41:44 2018 No.4526659 >>4526589 To be fair, he's right.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:44:43 2018 No.4526663

>>4526334
>>4526631

don't speak for me faggot, I held onto my CRT until I had to give it up because I literally couldn't read the text on modern games. I didn't get an HD TV until the Wii U / PS4 era.

I say "give it up" but I still have all my CRTs that I use for playing anything that's not an HD system.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 05:47:46 2018 No.4526665

>>4525038
>So the light gun problems will be over.
Sadly only the zapper and basically the 8-bit era light guns. They were looking for 1-frame flashes so theoretically a low enough input lag from a bright enough panel will trigger the photo-diode quick enough for the game logic.

But the menacer, snes bazooka thing (name escapes me right now), guncom, etc. etc. use scanline retrace monitoring so it literally requires the image be drawn from essentially black by a horizontal scan beam at 15Khz.

There was a LED micro-array TV shown off at CES. Since EVERY LED is individually addressable and controllable, with the correct controller they absolutely could simulate a 15Khz horizontal scanbeam with that.

But don't hold your breath, even if it cost nothing but a day or two to implement it in software, you'd have an easier time convincing them to support proper 240p than scanline emulation.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 06:24:01 2018 No.4526686

>>4526334
>those of us who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them.

Speak for yourself, bro. My CRT's stayed in use until they died.

I didn't own an LCD until 2013.

The one I bought in 2016 still has shittier colors than the 1998 CRT I used to use.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 06:47:04 2018 No.4526703 >>4526659 >referring to yourself in the third person Shig.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 06:48:07 2018 No.4526704 >>4526626 All you're gonna find 2018 in the way of new CRTs are shitty chink brands made by child labor, so take what you can get.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:13:39 2018 No.4526730 >>4525984 Even shit-tier CRTs like the one you posted are better than any modern display for the purposes of retro gaming.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:13:48 2018 No.4526731
File: 1.26 MB, 1248x1034, XL2730Z-blur.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>The current state of LCD technology
>Still no screen that can do clear motion like a CRT can
>Not even OLED fixed this

This is the future people chose now keep buying your 8K meme screen goy

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:16:10 2018 No.4526734

>>4525838
>Regulations in most 1st world nations outright forbid their manufacturing
Pretty sure that's only related to the use of lead glass. You could therefore use barium glass for the whole tube and not just the front, but that would be super expensive.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:26:25 2018 No.4526743

Probably an informative/useless message on the question.

If you need a company to produce CRT of a possible crowfounding, try to contact MIVAR
He had a great success in Italy with the CRTs with the release of the LCDs have lost the market and is almost bankrupt but still have all the necessary equipment and some workers to reactivate a possible production of CRTs.

>Embarrassing front page site with message for investors and Samsung.

http://www.mivar.it/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:32:42 2018 No.4526748 >>4526730 Uh huh. That's why I roll my eyes at PVMfags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:34:12 2018 No.4526750 >>4526748 PVMs and high-end TVs are still amazing though. I have a B&O MX4000 myself. It instantly convinced my brother that CRTs are a must.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:53:57 2018 No.4526764 >>4526665 >snes bazooka thing (name escapes me right now) Superscope Amazing thing that is. >>4526704 Well their little hands can reach diffcult corncer better, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:56:50 2018 No.4526768 >>4526665 >snes bazooka thing (name escapes me right now) Superscope Amazing thing that is. >>4526704 Well their little hands can reach difficult corners better, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 08:40:52 2018 No.4526805 has anyone else seen the price of crts spike near them? I used to be able to find Trinitrons consistently for free - $10, now they go on average for $50-$100

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:02:37 2018 No.4526838 >>4526805 The thrift shop in my home town still takes in CRTs and sells them for about the equivalent of $6. I'm probably partially responsible for having them take them in, along with some other guy who has a Twin Famicom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:03:41 2018 No.4526841 >>4526838 I found a great small Sony TV there recently. It couldn't handle NTSC color, but that only matters when you're playing Famicom since basically all other consoles do RGB anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:20:23 2018 No.4526871 >>4526748 >being blind If you can't tell the difference between a consumer television and a professional monitor then you are blind. Why the fuck would anyone have even bought them back in the day if a consumer model looked the same?

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:47:22 2018 No.4526903

>>4526871
With CRTs, the actual performance of the display as far as framerate and ability to use light guns is the same on any one. HDTVs have considerable variation in their handling of NTSC signals.

Any CRT from a Wega to the shittiest Chinese TV will display a game properly at the correct framerate, without input lag, or questionable upscaler performance. The difference is mainly in the picture quality and amount of available inputs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:53:04 2018 No.4526909 I saw a 4k TV on display at Best Buy and it looked incredible. It's bewildering to think that the thing can't properly handle a simple little analog signal from a 1980s video game console.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:54:15 2018 No.4526914 >>4526903 >The difference is mainly in the picture quality Yeah, no shit. That's why people use PVMs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 09:58:48 2018 No.4526924 I'm not even sure why we have those CRT general threads or what people even talk about in them. There's always one up on page 1, but I rarely even notice it's there and I never look at them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 10:00:38 2018 No.4526929 >>4526909 And yet, it cant

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 10:03:20 2018 No.4526939 >>4526924 It's mostly for PVM hipsters to circlejerk and show off pics of their setups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:02:34 2018 No.4527020 >>4524801 Flat screens with response times, image quality, blacks and latency superior to CRTs will exist in the next 5 years. The true questions is: will the demand be high enough for them to be produced in the 4:3 format?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:12:05 2018 No.4527040 >>4527020 >will the demand be high enough for them to be produced in the 4:3 format? Eizo still makes a couple of 4:3 models, but they're really expensive though. Also, there's the problem with scaling since CRTs don't really have a native resolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:24:34 2018 No.4527058 >>4527020 2ms lag is 3000 times the amount of lag in a crt, dip.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:26:47 2018 No.4527061

>>4526317

This is all you need, anon-kun.
Don't get bent up over the loss of fleshnet CRT tvs.
Within a decade VR graphics will be indistinguishable from "real life" and something like this will be advanced to the point where a VR CRT will be a fine replica of the "real" thing.
With this the tvs don't age and wear out and neither do the games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:27:23 2018 No.4527062 >OLED panels already boasts very high response times in the µs (microsecond) range. This makes them ideal for virtual reality applications. However, micro-LED can reduce this down into ns (nanoseconds) or a thousand times faster. Just wait for MicroLED

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:52:02 2018 No.4527113

>>4527020
>Flat screens with response times, image quality, blacks and latency superior to CRTs will exist in the next 5 years
Would not it have been just better to keep selling CRTs until flat screens had fully caught up with them rather than condemn people to years of inferior displays?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:02:03 2018 No.4527126 >>4527113 Flat screens are cheaper to transport and to storage.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:07:48 2018 No.4527136

>>4527062
Even if the panel can get response times that fast, how fast do you think the upscaler is going to be?
Even the framemeister adds something like 2-3 frames.

Not that I really care about 2 frames of lag, other than the fact that that means light gun games don't work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:09:40 2018 No.4527141 >>4527058 Trust me, you're not going to notice 2ms of lag, no matter how fucking l337 you think you are.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:15:20 2018 No.4527156

>>4525038
Because this is input lag anon.
A CRT has the display lag it takes to get the picture from the cable, and then drawing the picture line by line.
The time it takes to do that, is really really low.

For a LCD, you draw by transforming the Liquid Crystals(Display), so you can draw the picture at once by blending to the next color. So if you don't fuck up the queue, the only display lag there is, would be 30-60% of the time it takes to draw. So with realistic time of response of 4-10ms. So somewhere around 2-6ms of input delay.

So if you fuck up the frame queue, you get another full frame of delay, so up to +16ms at 60hz. Any fuckup increases delay.
And if you are a complete idiot, you spend time computing the picture, which is common for LCDs, to avoid doing White to Black to White fast, and instead calculate some fucked up transformation queue, instead of accepting that the picture is garbage. You also compute because a lot of LCD panels have long response time, so its possible to get motion that smears itself, so you cheat to avoid some of it.
10ms to display a picture, on a monitor with 2ms response time, is basically a 10 times a fuck up. And thats including that the Gsync/freesync is a forced frame queue, so there is little to no fuck ups in frame queue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:26:09 2018 No.4527172 >>4524887 yeah cause the racist guy on 4chan knows everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:29:19 2018 No.4527176 What if somebody creates what the Coleco Chameleon was supposed to be, and then it would be easy to play upscaled lagless classics. And as an aside, there really should be a return to 4:3.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 12:33:45 2018 No.4527185

>>4527113
It was the consumers themselves that decided and there's no shortage of used high quality CRTs available dirt cheap as a result of those same market forces.

>>4527020
I kind of doubt this will all come to pass in five years but if it does then there will have been no actual gap in the availability of performance gaming displays

Is there some common reason so many anons are afraid to buy things from craigslist, flea markets and even thrift stores?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:48:15 2018 No.4527217 >>4527172 I know I'm not a racist

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 13:43:41 2018 No.4527291 >>4526524 >>4526527 Why would you think a neckbeards would make a crowdfunding scene worth several million? Obviously it's going to be a businessman wanting to make a good buck selling to retarded neckbeards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 13:44:47 2018 No.4527294 >>4526536 Arcade CRT tubes are still produced. Missed that point?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 13:48:19 2018 No.4527302 >all those WEGA lovers WEGA is shit. Okay? Stick to you PVM on Trinitron meme or just use any random CRT. But even a shitty chink CRT would be better for just gaming than a WEGA.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 13:58:47 2018 No.4527319

>>4527302
I don't think you're familiar with the WEGA line. They're a bit heavier and deeper in exchange for a flat screen and that also leads to having imperfect geometry at the very corners. Some people with a lot of glare in their gaming area find the flatness alone to be worth the trade offs but they're objectively better than some very coarse shadow mask especially since they usually have only RF and composite inputs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:02:36 2018 No.4527330 >>4527294 No they're not, it's all NOS. Just like the fact that Russia is still the leading exporter of Nixie tubes. They haven't made a single new one since the fall of the USSR.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:05:34 2018 No.4527334

>>4524801
>What is the possibility that new CRT TV's could be produced?
Infinitely close to zero.

>Given that old CRT's are slowly and surely ceasing to exist.
Yes.

>I feel like there is a big enough niche market for a manufacturer to produce modern CRT TVs.
You feel wrong because there are easier and cheaper ways to get an identical effect minus electric static and magnetic sensitivity.

>It would use the tech that makes a CRT what it is.
A crt...

>While adding any applicable modern technology.
adding a yellow phosphor for meme's sake?

>The price would surely come at a premium.
That's an understatement.

>But the image would be objectively the best option for retro technology.
That's where you're wrong kiddo. The objectively 'best' way to play retro games would be with an a projector and fiber optics instead of phosphors.
Light, cheap, and easily repaired/refurbished.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:23:24 2018 No.4527368 >>4527334 What kind of projector?

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:43:08 2018 No.4527391

>>4527330
>Just like the fact that Russia is still the leading exporter of Nixie tubes. They haven't made a single new one since the fall of the USSR.
There's actually one guy who restarted production of nixie tubes. Not exactly comparable though since they're far less complicated than TV tubes.
http://www.daliborfarny.com/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:45:43 2018 No.4527394 I can't find the link now but you can totally buy brand new CRTs, they just cost over $10k and are made to order so you can't cancel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 14:51:30 2018 No.4527402 >>4527394 You mean the Ikegamis sold through B&H? Just leftover stock. Tubes and other main components are being used up from stock as they are no longer manufactured.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 16:37:33 2018 No.4527585 >>4527334 >The objectively 'best' way to play retro games would be with an a projector and fiber optics instead of phosphors. I'm interested, anon. Tell me more.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 16:40:10 2018 No.4527594

>>4527319
>I don't think you're familiar with the WEGA line.
I just told you they are shit for the exact same reasons you brought out.
Stick to black Trinitrons if you want a consumer CRT or just use some random shit shit.

The flatscreen is a _flaw_ not a pro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 16:41:20 2018 No.4527596 >>4527334 >Infinitely close to zero. That's like the 6th time you post that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 16:43:51 2018 No.4527603 >>4527330 If it's all NOS, why would have have to make production runs? Please, educate yourself on the matter before posting dumb shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 17:31:45 2018 No.4527698 >>4527603 You wanna post a link to those manufacturers then? Because I haven't seen a single one.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 17:46:48 2018 No.4527717 >>4527594 Flat-screen reduces glare and increases viewing angle. "Random shit" is most likely going to be shit. Mitsubishi and RCA made some acceptable 90s crts but basically everything else is objectively inferior to a Wega.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 17:56:23 2018 No.4527725

>>4527717
>Flat-screen reduces glare and increases viewing angle.
No, how much to you look a TV from UP or DOWN? A curved Trinitron has far better viewing angles horizontally. Not that it matters, you have a retro setup, you sit in front of it, right? This isn't 1989 where you have to make by with a little room for your consoles.

Also, glare? What the fuck, can't turn down the lights? Also, curved Trinitrons glare only from the sides where flat screens just work as mirrors and glare everything.
Not to mention, the geometry distortion is just not worth having a flat screen.

>everything else is objectively inferior to a Wega.
Except Sony's own Trinitrons, you know. WEGA was fucking consumer shit made on the cheap when CRTs where falling out of favor.
But I'd say there are good non-aperture grille CRTs that are just as good for retro gaming, better than a WEGA any time.

Why do you fanboy WEGAs? Do you use one? Sorry, I don't actively keep a record on tripfags.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 18:00:06 2018 No.4527732

Curved screens are weird to look at. The curved aspect in itself is more distracting than any sort of geometry issues, which I've never personally noticed.

Yes, I'm aware that I looked at curved screens in the 90s. I also haven't actually used once since the 90s, either. Been looking at flat screens since 2000-2001 and I'm too used to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 18:03:02 2018 No.4527740 >>4527732 I have huge curved screens, like the glass bulge is extreme. But when looked at from the centre and a nice distance, they look all fine.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 18:05:10 2018 No.4527745
File: 270 KB, 1282x962, IMG_9586__TVM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4527732
>The curved aspect in itself is more distracting than any sort of geometry issues
Good thing that Trinitrons only have horizontal curving that's also minimal. It looks much more natural to the eyes thanks to that and makes away with any geometry issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 18:06:52 2018 No.4527750 File: 1.59 MB, 4032x3024, 7k1z9e64ytnz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4527319 >having imperfect geometry at the very corners >>4527732 >any sort of geometry issues, which I've never personally noticed lol can't afford a proper monitor?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 18:08:35 2018 No.4527752 >>4527750 I have a samsung. And it doesn't look like that at all.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 18:42:17 2018 No.4527829 >>4527725 You have literally no grasp of parabolic geometry and apparently very poor reading comprehension as well.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:04:43 2018 No.4527859

>>4527829
I own several WEGAs and Trinitrons, I'm talking from experience. They cost nothing here in yuropoor land, but please, don't start shitposting about it.

You know I have a valid point, but I'm pretty sure you will result to name calling and further shitposting.
It's sad, when we used to get along so good and you where acting so nicely for a while.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:30:44 2018 No.4527912

Thomas Electronics is somewhat specialty, but...
"We have positioned ourselves to be able to offer our CRTs going forward with no plans for obsolescence. We are your obsolescence solution."
CRTs aren't going away, not with companies like this. Cheap consumer CRT sets on craigslist are going to be nonexistent before too long, but CRTs are not going away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:40:31 2018 No.4527926 I wish SED was a thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:45:24 2018 No.4527937 If vinyl could make a comeback I can't see why CRTs couldn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:47:20 2018 No.4527942 >>4527926 No. Learn about SED before thinking it's some miricile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:49:04 2018 No.4527946 >>4527912 I wonder what it would actually cost to have some run of the mill tube serviced by them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:57:15 2018 No.4527956 >>4527942 >LED equivalent of CRT >worse ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:57:59 2018 No.4527959 >>4527956 Yeah, you're a retard who only knows meme. Congrats for letting us know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 19:59:45 2018 No.4527962 >>4527959 >calls others retards without providing any argument Kill yourself faggot

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 20:45:23 2018 No.4528034

>>4526447
>You can still find brand new CRTs on store shelves throughout the 3rd world
>Brand new

I technically live in the 3rd world and in my case that is not true, you can only find 20'' CRTs on thrift shops and most are Samsung or LG, where I live only old (or very poor) people have CRTs since they can't figure out how to use digital technology so they stick to everything analog, the average family here owns LED screens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 20:51:17 2018 No.4528042 >>4527058 doesn't a whole screen take 16ms to display so shouldn't the lag be 16ms since a console would check the buttons once each frame

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 20:58:48 2018 No.4528048 File: 95 KB, 375x221, crtre.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the good crt's would just have to be rebuilt when they become worn, I have 6 of them and they are showing signs of wear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5bEGikmNQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 21:27:41 2018 No.4528073 >>4524953 basically nothing is niche now thanks to reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 21:29:30 2018 No.4528078 >>4526426 the other guy is probably american. we never had scart here so it's only the PVMs that have it thus they are rare here at least.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 21:55:57 2018 No.4528103

I use some cheapo 13 inch Sharp TV I found cleaning out an old salon across the street from where I work. I have to use external speakers because the thing is monaural, but it works for my third through sixth gen systems. Sure I want a decent Trinitron with component and s-video hookups, but I can deal.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 22:01:03 2018 No.4528109

>>4527859
Convex surfaces reflect more this is a scientific fact it's why security mirrors are parabolas. You have a point, but claiming that terrible coarse shadow mask TVs are better than Wegas just because they're curved is absurd.

>>4527750
This image isn't even showing corner geometry issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:03:58 2018 No.4528121 >>4527185 >It was the consumers themselves that decided and >tripfag Opinion disregarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:09:28 2018 No.4528134 >>4527937 CRTs are a little more complicated and expensive than a piece of plastic. Nothing's impossible with enough money though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:10:11 2018 No.4528135 >>4525539 I always heard that but never found information about it in Google, where do they still make CRT's? t. third-worlder

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:12:16 2018 No.4528140 >>4528135 Probably some chink sweatshop somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:13:18 2018 No.4528142 >>4527334 >>4519708 This troll again. I'd recognize his posting style anywhere.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 16 22:14:53 2018 No.4528152

>>4528121
It's not really an opinion, it's a fact. If consumer CRTs were worth manufacturing, they would be. There are still way more than plenty used ones to satisfy the market and the used prices will need to rise tremendously before manufacturers would even consider it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:17:39 2018 No.4528161 >>4528121 I don't see any evidence that consumers decided anyway. Manufacturers decided arbitrarily one day to rid themselves of CRTs and you had to buy whatever flat panel displays because that was all that was available.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:19:40 2018 No.4528163 There used to be a cottage industry of rebuilding CRTs when the electron guns got used up. If it would not be possible to produce new ones, then perhaps one could repair the existing supply of them.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:19:58 2018 No.4528164

I don't want CRT to come back
I want them to fix the shit tier motion of this sample&hold display technology

Seriously, one would think this would be 1# priority when it comes to displays.
The only solution is to get a 120Hz monitor and use BFI, but spending a fortune on these "preimum gayming" things is just unacceptable

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:23:25 2018 No.4528168

>>4528161
This is not even remotely true. Consumers bought flat panels because they were sharper, less bulky, didn't flicker, caused less eyestrain (more an issue for computer monitors, but the point stands), and had far lower power consumption. You're insane if you think normal people would have chosen to stick with CRTs given both options.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:26:20 2018 No.4528171 >>4528168 It's funny because without that ficker they're rendered useless for anything that requires motion

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:28:39 2018 No.4528172 >>4528168 I remember when flat panel displays first start appearing in the mid-2000s, there was a lot of complaint over the image and motion quality vis-a-vis CRTs.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:32:37 2018 No.4528179

>>4524850
mate they use lead glass, you might know lead from all the regulations surrounding its use in manufacturing and how much of a hassle it is to dispose of.

Setting up a CRT production line would have to deal with that shit, and it's non trivial. And for what, so you can supply a few thousand CRTs to nerds, saturate your market and lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process?

So OP's answer is too much risk. Especially when display tech will improve to the point where we can simulate a CRT display on a flat panel. Maybe not in the next 10 years (or maybe it will be) but that time will definitely come.

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:33:58 2018 No.4528181

better idea: maybe you hardwarecucks should join the 21st century and stop clinging to nuts and bolts. you are just delaying the inevitable
>input lag
90% of you couldn't even 1cc a serious game if you tried, let alone put up quality scores. oh my fucking god 3 frames of lag i need this ancient technology to still be total shit
>scanlines
>muh beauty
all feelings, no facts

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:34:11 2018 No.4528182

>>4524867
>It would cost way, way more than $400 right now because the production would have to be restarted and the demand isn't high enough

this is absolutely what kills it.

I'd totally spend a few grand on a nice CRT that will last me a few decades but the number of people that would spend that kind of money on it can probably be counted on your hands and feet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:40:25 2018 No.4528192 >>4528181 Fix this >>4526731

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:42:10 2018 No.4528194 >>4528172 I remember complaints about motion blur and black levels, but those issues were pretty quickly solved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:43:31 2018 No.4528201 >>4528194 But they're still present on every single display

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:46:31 2018 No.4528204 >>4528201 No they're not. Black levels on an OLED display are better than CRT black levels, and even a good IPS panel can get very close. Motion blur is at the point where it's not really noticeable anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:47:05 2018 No.4528206 >>4528181 The only thing you're right about is delaying the inevitable

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:48:35 2018 No.4528207 >>4528204 >not really noticeable https://www.testufo.com/eyetracking

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:49:00 2018 No.4528210 >>4528179 Hol up there. You be sayin' they can't make CRTs because of inane government regulations rather than consumer demand? Explains a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:49:48 2018 No.4528212 >>4528207 Yes, even in artificial test environments like that, it looks fine on a decent modern display.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:52:44 2018 No.4528216 File: 92 KB, 500x377, 1405918412185.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4528212 >simple screen scrolling >artificial >blur looks fine Faggots like you are the reason why LCD took off

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:53:11 2018 No.4528217 >>4528216 It does look fine. Get a better monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:55:16 2018 No.4528220 >>4528217 Not him but unless you are using a high refresh screen with some anti-blur, then you're just lying. Sorry but it's just the way this display technology works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 22:59:14 2018 No.4528226 that's ok. Trump is repealing worker safety and environmental regulations left and right. soon you Republicans will have all the lead and mercury-filled sweatshop factories you want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:02:49 2018 No.4528231 >>4528220 Well, I am using an older Asus gaming monitor (at 60hz), but I can promise you it does indeed look quite fine. Maybe not quite as razor-sharp as the static image, but still perfectly acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:05:01 2018 No.4528237 >>4528231 >acceptable Yeah, just like the colors of your TN panel amirite?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:08:37 2018 No.4528241 >>4528237 I'm sorry you're too poor to buy a better monitor. Maybe mow some lawns?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:10:20 2018 No.4528245 >>4528241 Sorry, I don't spend my hard earned money on overpriced "gaymer" shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:12:12 2018 No.4528251 >>4528245 Ok, not my problem though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 23:15:17 2018 No.4528261 >>4528251 Not my problem either if you are delusional

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 00:06:12 2018 No.4528315 CRTs aren't that good for static images and in fact quite hard on your eyes. There's no real need to have CRT monitors in this day and age for using MS Office.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 00:40:11 2018 No.4528349 Most modern HDTVs (not stuff from 2004) deliver acceptable enough performance with retro games, it's mostly a problem with certain things like light guns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 01:35:49 2018 No.4528386 >>4526453 Maybe if you didn't post STUPID SHIT people wouldn't have to correct you countless times dumbass!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 03:13:09 2018 No.4528497 >>4528349 And the fact that too many of them have dropped 240p support.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 03:26:39 2018 No.4528513 >>4528497 240p was never officially supported by any TV since it's a hack you do by playing around with the NTSC signal.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 03:58:29 2018 No.4528538

>>4528513
This "240p is a hack" meme needs to die. There's nothing hacky about it; it's just a normal 262 or 263 line progressive signal that NTSC TVs are perfectly happy displaying. The only difference between that and a 480i signal is that it lacks the half-length scanline to trigger the field offset.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 04:19:17 2018 No.4528552

>>4528538
>This "240p is a hack" meme needs to die
It is. It was never part of the NTSC standard which was always 480i interlaced video with the odd-numbered frames offset half a line from the even numbered frames.

The FCC also forbade TV stations to broadcast 240p signals.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 04:24:32 2018 No.4528562

>>4528552
It's not a "hack", it's simply not a standard NTSC broadcast signal. As I said, there's nothing at all about it that could be described as hacky. If anything, interlacing is more of a "hack" than 240p.

>The FCC also forbade TV stations to broadcast 240p signals.
But they had no problem with consumer equipment sending 240p.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 04:27:00 2018 No.4528569 >>4528562 >But they had no problem with consumer equipment sending 240p It's not OTA, they obviously have no jurisdiction over that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 04:34:05 2018 No.4528576 I have a Bravia from 2010 and it works good enough for NTSC signals. There's some smearing with 60 fps but unless you want to play Duck Hunt, it's probably good enough for 90% of retro games.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 04:50:15 2018 No.4528594

>>4528569
It is their jurisdiction, actually. Anything that connected to a TV needed FCC approval. Also, anything with an RF modulator is capable of broadcasting OTA if you stick an antenna on it. Some people did exactly that back in the '70s and '80s for wireless video display from consoles/computers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 05:18:38 2018 No.4528619 I don't see any particular reason why CRTs could not be brought back if someone invested the money into it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 05:55:13 2018 No.4528639 >>4528619 Fair enough though I can see plenty of reasons why nobody in their right mind is going to invest the sums required. Never ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 06:32:24 2018 No.4528667 >>4528639 >>4526437 >>4526334 >>4524846 You think this samefag would finally give up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 06:53:02 2018 No.4528682 >>4528667 Your samefag detector is in desperate need of calibration.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 06:57:21 2018 No.4528690 So what's 'good enough'? Trinitron? WEGA? How many inches is too much?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 07:05:45 2018 No.4528702 >>4528690 9" RF Only TV Everything else is artificial and not how developers intended

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 07:27:56 2018 No.4528715 >>4528690 Any CRT TV up to 27".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 07:38:19 2018 No.4528725 >>4524801 It's not like the technology is lost to time. They aren't made anymore because there's no demand and making flat screens is both cheaper and more lucrative.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 07:48:49 2018 No.4528732 >>4528725 >They aren't made anymore because there's no demand I think this thread would prove otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 08:31:59 2018 No.4528772 >>4528667 Good! Your butthurt has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny and call them all larpers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 08:55:50 2018 No.4528794 File: 138 KB, 485x454, 1516123320669.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4528732 yeah bunch of neckbeards still playing games from 30 years ago is worth restarting entire factories of economically unfeasible tv sets

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:13:28 2018 No.4528857 >>4528794 Why are you even on /vr/, Anon-kun?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:18:52 2018 No.4528865 >>4528794 >makes claim that said TVs are economically unfeasible >posts no evidence to back this claim up >uses anime reaction image outside of /a/

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:23:10 2018 No.4528870

>>4528865
To be honest, it's a bad claim to make simply because it's not a disprovable one. There's no evidence for or against the claim that CRTs are economically unfeasible and as you know, any scientific theory that isn't disprovable should be dismissed out of hand.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:31:55 2018 No.4528878

They can be repaired and the parts are still being made. Why I don't know. China does a lot of shit I don't understand. I always skirt around pawn shops for CRTs and managed to pick up a nice RCA that was basically the pinnacle of the technology right before the HD switch.

mmmm that static

Just remember that you can't go in to repair it without rubber gloves since a CRT actually holds a charge for over three years that can uh...kill you.

So no.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:35:01 2018 No.4528881

>>4528878
>Just remember that you can't go in to repair it without rubber gloves since a CRT actually holds a charge for over three years that can uh...kill you

Actually the real danger isn't the CRT itself, it's the large capacitors. The voltage inside the tube, while very high, has extremely low amperage. The capacitors however store high amp voltage that can burrow into you and stop your heart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:38:40 2018 No.4528885 >>4528881 That's what I was warning people about, but thanks for clarifying.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 10:50:50 2018 No.4528902
File: 666 KB, 400x400, 1474180885057.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4528885

Also, I mean REAL insulated rubber gloves. Not latex, not that weird shit that latex-allergic people use. Real rubber gloves. If you have to replace a part, especially if it requires soldering, be very careful. They're not anything like what you typically do. Always disconnect from power and be very careful to avoid any electrical outages. A lot of people were very confident about their repair process and ended up dead. Don't be that guy.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 12:01:47 2018 No.4528989
File: 2.27 MB, 360x640, potkiQQ.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4528181
I fucking hate when people try and say that "because you aren't an elite fucking gamer, input lag shouldn't matter".
It doesn't matter what your reaction time is, or how fast you can mash the buttons.

You can be not that great and still be affected by input lag. And certain parts or movements in the game can bother you more with input lag than others.

Also, 3 frames is a lot.
Heck I'm able to tell the difference between my WiiU gamepad and the CRT the WiiU is plugged into, and that's only 2 frames.

I think the CRT picture can sometimes look nice, and the color is sometimes better, but it's the input lag that really drives me to get CRTs.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 12:47:03 2018 No.4529064
File: 51 KB, 500x522, DF4981D2-5B43-4F5D-BDC2-74054FC2C946.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Hey everyone! I made this thread. Glad to see there has been some healthy debate going back and forth.

So while CRT’s are objectively the best option. Especially if you have a trinitron. It seems that they are
>too heavy/bulky
>soon to be obsolete despite the small but strong demand
>dangerous when compared to modern sets
Although if you can get your hands on a PVM. That would be worth it. However those are becoming increasingly harder to come by.

With a modern television, there is the option of the FRAMEMEISTER.
However, that comes with the caveat of:
>being expensive af

For someone like myself, who has a moderately sized retro collection, but currently lives in a one bedroom. I can’t exactly dedicate a room to be a retro game room. With a bulking CRT.

I wish there was a third option. Or that modern sets could handle the proper resolutions for games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 12:48:23 2018 No.4529067 >>4528513 Either way, many LCDs (including mine) can't properly run retro consoles and that is a problem imo. Good thing I have a CRT for them, or else my cartridges would just be collecting dust.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 12:55:08 2018 No.4529079 File: 77 KB, 720x523, 1407451800761.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4528865 >complaining about anime >on 4chan of all places

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 13:08:29 2018 No.4529089

>>4529064
>too heavy/bulky
You are not supposed to move them often
You don't move any TV everyday

>soon to be obsolete despite the small but strong demand
Is MicroLED coming out tomorrow?

>dangerous when compared to modern sets
The only dangerous part of a CRT are the caps but even then no one is retarded enough to open them up and touch them with their hands

>With a modern television, there is the option of the FRAMEMEISTER. However, that comes with the caveat of being expensive af

Just get any just any PC CRT, you can also get a Trinitron if you want too, emulate at 240p and enjoy your ultrasharp premium PVMeme on any system you want at the amazing cost of $10

>b-but muh collection
>muh hardwear
It's time to accept reality and stop deluding yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 14:15:46 2018 No.4529180 >>4529089 See, but I want a 480p CRT over 25" I can find big 480i CRTs. I can find 480p (or higher most cases) CRTs under 25" Getting both is an issue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 14:18:46 2018 No.4529187 >>4529180 There have been many large presentation monitors made over the past 3 decades which will accept 15-31+khz inputs. Mitsubishi's Megaview range springs to mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 14:19:36 2018 No.4529190 >>4529187 What's the best place to find such technologies They're getting snatched up by jews

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 14:29:51 2018 No.4529214 >>4529190 To beat the Jew you must become like the Jew. Happy Hanukkah!

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Wed Jan 17 14:53:41 2018 No.4529268 >>4529190 This post shows a label that indicates the monitor is a 38" tri-sync >>4525758 Build your own cabinet

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 15:25:42 2018 No.4529313 File: 9 KB, 300x300, screw_attack_gif_by_ccreap3r-d5ql3ex.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4525758 >>4529268 Are those CRT though? I can't find them on their website And how many gorillions of dollars would one be anyhow

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Wed Jan 17 16:27:46 2018 No.4529436
File: 184 KB, 800x600, 21714709944570_919[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4529313
www.weiya.com.tw

Says to contact for a price but probably ~$1000. I see one for sale used on ruten right now for 3000 yuan which is a bit under $500.

Kind of makes PVMs and BVMs look a little more reasonable huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 17:05:10 2018 No.4529512 >>4529313 I got an egret 3 for the equivalent of a bit under $200 burgerbucks last year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 18:04:13 2018 No.4529615 File: 2.80 MB, 3264x2448, IMG_20180117_191520.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4529089 >Just get any just any PC CRT I use a PC CRT for fake 120hz 240p and 480i. No regrets. Looks extremely sharp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 19:27:48 2018 No.4529734 >>4529512 >>4529436 That's less expensive than I was thinking. Hey if it's 38", has CRT lag and has a good picture with progressive scan that's pretty great. Are they 16:9 or 4:3?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 19:48:50 2018 No.4529761 >>4527750 Fuck me thats the exact TV I have and it looks similar to that. Any way to fix?

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Wed Jan 17 21:06:32 2018 No.4529868 >>4529734 4:3. That pic I posted is the exact monitor from that label earlier in the thread, M3138F-8201. Be aware that it's a bare tube with a simple PCB that is RGB only, intended for installation into arcade cabinets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 22:22:06 2018 No.4529953 >>4527020 What actually drove the switch from 4:3 to 16:9? Was it movies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 22:28:53 2018 No.4529965 >>4529953 Less screen for more price.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 22:32:03 2018 No.4529970 File: 1.59 MB, 2592x1944, IMG_20180117_234558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4529615 It's all you need

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 22:55:33 2018 No.4530005 >>4529734 Mine is currently 3:4 because I was last playing a vertical shmup

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 04:36:59 2018 No.4530365 >>4525809 that doesn't mean it's cheap though, especially if it's being produced in limited quantities.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 04:45:19 2018 No.4530373 >>4526382 yeah, despite owning 2 PVMs, I also have 2 larger consumer CRTs that are absolutely excellent. And they were both free. We won't be running out of these any time soon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 04:57:53 2018 No.4530381 >>4524801 they are still being produced in China, particularly for African markets where CRTs are still a norm. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DC-12V-tv-CRT-Ultra-slim_740729834.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.2.4acc616dw3mqEl&s=p

Anonymous Thu Jan 18 10:27:12 2018 No.4530705

>>4530381
Some of the "modern" CRT TVs
(like the ones with HDMI and HD resolutions)
actually have lag. I know because I used to have one.
Are these like that?

Also, why would they still make CRTs?
Is it cheaper for them to manufacture CRTs than it is to manufacture LCDs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 10:39:09 2018 No.4530720 File: 70 KB, 960x540, pga_nick.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] which crt for console AND micro computer (ZX Spectrum, Amiga 500, C64 etc) RGB? or is a BVM/PVM the way to go?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 10:42:43 2018 No.4530727 File: 30 KB, 564x564, 3be3af7267647f29d2d4930d50480e17--tom-hulce-people-laughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4527061 >Within a decade VR graphics will be indistinguishable from "real life"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 12:19:12 2018 No.4530873 >>4529064 mama mia!

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Thu Jan 18 12:22:51 2018 No.4530884

>>4530720
Depends on the consoles. For example the NES is composite only without some pretty serious investment. Probably go with the PVMeme or learn how to convert RGB to component and use a quality consumer CRT, especially if you want something fairly large.

Anonymous Thu Jan 18 13:10:52 2018 No.4530950

>>4528989
this anon gets it.

ive never played any nes/snes games on wii U until my friend got one for cheap with basically every eshop download installed on it.

We played them and I'll never forget, because it made me a believer in input lag effecting gameplay, how I was missing enemies as mario in SMB3 and dying in places I shouldnt have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 13:13:25 2018 No.4530956 >>4530950 >Wii U Bad emulation. I never had that problem with a real NES on an HDTV.

Anonymous Thu Jan 18 14:24:17 2018 No.4531080

>>4528989
>I fucking hate when people try and say that "because you aren't an elite fucking gamer, input lag shouldn't matter".

barring extraordinary cases where it's glaringly obvious it's largely unnoticeable by most people unless pointed out to them.

it's like the people who are anal about frame rates.

Anonymous Thu Jan 18 16:47:18 2018 No.4531353
File: 54 KB, 500x500, The_Real_Story_Behind_Black_Guy_On_The_Phone_Meme-500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4531080
My brother in law was complaining about how mario 64 was "really hard."
He had pulled the old N64 out of the garage and plugged it into his fucking LCD TV, but stopped playing because it was difficult to control.

I turned on the tv's 'game mode' and he was like "Wow, this is a big difference!"

Just because people aren't aware "hey this is input lag" doesn't mean it doesn't negatively effect them. I bet more people are bothered by it than they realize.

Also why did you feel the need to point out how it's largely unnoticeable by most people? Do you know where we are? This is a CRT thread on fucking /vr/, I don't care about "most people", most people don't even fucking play mario.
It's me and us we're talking about, I don't like the lag.

It's especially noticeable when you're trying to line up a character, or a shot, and you have to go back and forth with aiming or getting your guy to move just right, like Mario in SMW (which has lots of air control) stomping an enemy, or trying to shoot someone in halo or something.

Seriously what's the point of telling ANYONE that "most people don't notice the lag"
What's the point?
Even if you were right, which you aren't, you're basically telling people who are already concerned about lag to not notice it since lots of other people don't notice it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 22:30:41 2018 No.4531907 >>4530950 You use a Wii for NES/SNES on a RGB CRT. Not a fucking Wii U.

Anonymous Thu Jan 18 23:10:28 2018 No.4531943

>>4531353
well for starters i was explaining the mentality behind "because you aren't an elite fucking gamer, input lag shouldn't matter" which is that the "average person" wouldn't notice those types of things unless it's either pointed out to them or is a huge enough issue that it is noticeable.

and secondly if you're getting this upset over a generalization and/or hyperbole then i think you have much bigger things to worry about than input lag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 00:32:04 2018 No.4532048 I didn't find any difference when playing Section Z on an HDTV.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 00:36:00 2018 No.4532051 Most complaints about input lag are based on HDTVs made when Bush was president. It shouldn't be an issue on anything made recently.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 00:48:22 2018 No.4532070 I did notice from playing on my Bravia that Mario doesn't flicker when he's hit by enemies. Lag?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 01:22:41 2018 No.4532108 >>4532070 One of the common symptoms of 240p being treated as 480i.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 01:53:02 2018 No.4532142 >>4532108 Actually it's because of delay in changing the state of the pixels on the LCD panel.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 01:56:54 2018 No.4532145

>>4532108
Actually it's because of delay in changing the state of the pixels on the LCD panel. This TV has a considerable amount of smear at 60 fps. This is most noticeable in games like SMB and Castlevania. A lot of NES games run at lower framerates to minimize dot crawl.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 01:59:41 2018 No.4532149 >>4532145 How old is the TV?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 02:41:41 2018 No.4532195 >>4532149 From 2010

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 02:46:20 2018 No.4532202 >>4532195 Ok well technology has advanced in almost eight years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 03:04:42 2018 No.4532227 >>4532051 Most LCD apologists were made when Bush was president. And not Bush 41 either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 03:28:15 2018 No.4532245 >>4532227 I don't remember anyone praising LCDs back then. At that time everyone whined about the circa 2004 LCD technology which was pretty crappy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 03:37:40 2018 No.4532261 File: 184 KB, 1500x912, facepalm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4532245 My god, you are dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 03:43:39 2018 No.4532270 >>4532261 Not as dumb as a guy who uses 2008 reaction images.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 03:46:50 2018 No.4532276
File: 14 KB, 480x360, squidward mad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4532270
Since you lack basic reading comprehension and may in fact be a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome, I will spell it out.

When I said "Most LCD apologists were made when Bush was president. And not Bush 41 either", I CLEARLY meant that LCD apologists are underage idiots conceived/born when Bush 43 was president. I didn't mean "People became LCD apologists when Bush was president."

Do you get that, you stupid, sub-room temperature IQ retard.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 07:16:40 2018 No.4532506

>>4528168
It's very true. But CRTs were 1940s tech with market saturation and hilariously low margins (<$10 per set).

Clearing them and replacing with LCDs that could be made bigger (everyone was going berko about SIZE SIZE SIZE) - and could charge a premium on - and, most importantly - failed every two years allowed manufacturers to get their profit margins back up.

Worked a treat, too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 07:36:46 2018 No.4532531 >>4532506 >not forgetting all the weight/bulk/safety issues/eye strain that doesn't affect flat panels

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 08:01:12 2018 No.4532551 >>4532531 >eye strain As I've said before, the main advantage of CRTs is for motion. There's no reason to use one for typing your term paper in MS Office.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 08:40:03 2018 No.4532614 >>4532531 >>4532551 Staring at bunch of LEDs is way worse for eye strain than a CRT

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 08:59:06 2018 No.4532629 >>4532614 This is clearly an underage person who's never used a CRT. Protip: It gives you a migraine especially when there's a lot of white onscreen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 08:59:09 2018 No.4532630 >>4532245 Makes sense. Most people don't remember much from when they were an infant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:01:26 2018 No.4532636 >>4532629 >Protip: It gives you a migraine I've never had a migraine from a CRT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:03:06 2018 No.4532642 >>4532629 hahahaha imagine having such a weak constitution Protip: take some vitamins

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:04:53 2018 No.4532645 >>4532630 >>4532629 >accusing people of being underage Is the lowest form of argumentation on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:06:07 2018 No.4532650 >>4532629 >>4532636 Not him but what refresh were you using? 60Hz definitely causes eye strain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:07:39 2018 No.4532653 File: 56 KB, 994x610, display eye strain.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:10:50 2018 No.4532657 >>4532645 I never accused him of being underage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:17:38 2018 No.4532663 >>4532650 Mine would be either 2304x1440@75hz to 1600x1200 @110Hz back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:18:19 2018 No.4532665 >>4532650 >Not him but what refresh were you using? 60Hz definitely causes eye strain. I neither get eye strain from NTSC nor PAL.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:20:20 2018 No.4532667

CRTs never bothered me with hours of staring at Civ3, but then the relatively dark color gradients make you not notice any flicker. I can see why MS Office would be a problem since it's got large areas of white. Not only is flicker more visible, but you have all three electron guns shining in your eyes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:23:57 2018 No.4532670 I had a Cornerstone 19" once. It was a nice monitor that my mom ruined by jacking the brightness and contrast up to 100%. You couldn't explain to her that that's bad for the CRT, she would just argue that she needed it at 100% to see the screen better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:24:20 2018 No.4532671 >>4532657 >This is clearly an underage person

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:25:03 2018 No.4532673

>>4532531
>weight
Irrelevant. How often did you move your CRT?

>bulk
Irrelevant. How often did you move your CRT?

>safety
What? That it was going to blow up every couple of years? You're thinking of LCDs, matey.

>eye strain
Never happened to me, but I suppose those of weaker construction might have this problem.

>>4532629
>Protip: It gives you a migraine especially when there's a lot of white onscreen.
Like Windows has been since version 1 - and I dunno, everybody on the planet used it without curling up into little migrainey balls for a couple of decades until LCDs really started to supplant CRTs in the early 21st century?

Personally, I can't see how this argument can EVER take flight since, until very recently, LCDs were backlit by fluorescent lamps. Like starting at a CCFL all day is going to be any better for you than excited phosphor?

>>4532650
Most people were well-aware of this at the time. Nobody with a working brain left their monitor at 60Hz. Most people (with decent graphics cards) were running theirs at 75-85Hz.

But this is a bit beside the point - we're discussing CRT televisions, where you were stuck with 25 or 30 frames per second (50 or 60Hz interlaced) depending on where you live.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:27:47 2018 No.4532675 >>4532673 Not him but you clearly never worked in the electronics department of a Wal-Mart and had to lug the things around. Or lug them up a flight of stairs. Protip: Moving CRTs around really sucks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:31:45 2018 No.4532679 >>4532675 Ignore him. He's reposting copypaste from the CRT general thread. Most of us are pretty well aware of the numerous deficiencies that come from using a technology that predates transistor electronics.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:34:55 2018 No.4532684

>>4532675
No, I've never worked at Wal-Mart. I freely admit this.

>>4532679
LOL, I haven't even SEEN the "CRT General" thread. Just posting my own observations, since my last CRT (rather nice IBM G96) died in 2013.

But if you want to assume that any opinion contrary to yours is hive-minded copypasta, go right ahead anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:34:56 2018 No.4532685 >>4532675 Forgot the high power consumption of them. Using flat panels cuts way down on your electric bills. This is especially important in an office setting where hundreds of monitors could be in use.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:39:10 2018 No.4532692 >>4532685 This is definitely true (my G96 used 110w while operating), and the closest to a decent rebuttal I've seen so far. But it shouldn't really be an issue for a single user, unless you're an absolute poorfag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:41:48 2018 No.4532694 Not to mention needing hefty desks to support the weight of a CRT.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:52:31 2018 No.4532707

>>4532694
Had my G96 - all 33 kilos of it I recall - on a rickety dining table (that I built myself, so trust me on "rickety") with no problems for almost five years.

No, I go the other way: I hatehateHATE these light-as-a-feather displays that if you look at them wrong, they fly off whatever table they're on and hit the floor.

This isn't theoretical - friend of mine a few years back didn't unplug her LCD monitor and moved the desk it was on.

BANG. We had a nice funeral for that screen.

If it had been a CRT, the desk would have stopped because of the weight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 09:56:34 2018 No.4532712 >>4532707 If the CRT fell off the desk, you'd fracture the neck of the tube and...goodbye monitor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 10:01:13 2018 No.4532719 >>4532712 Yeah and that was a big problem with shipping them. The tubes are fragile and jostling or bumping them can crack the neck.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 10:02:52 2018 No.4532723

>>4532712
Goodbye me, actually. I seem to recall the tubes are either in vacuum (implosion = FUN), or stuffed with some noxious gas.

But as some anons have pointed out time and time again, you sure as hell notice if you're moving a CRT. I'm 6'5" and 235lbs, so I probably don't notice it as much as... smaller people would.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 10:05:59 2018 No.4532725

>>4532719
I thought knocking them out of alignment was the biggest issue with shipping? Hence the 15 different controls for setting up the picture.

You'd have to be pretty ham-fisted to actually break them... hmm, think I'm starting to see the pattern here. Are you >>4532675
? If so, I think I've figured you out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 10:07:12 2018 No.4532727 >>4532723 They're a vacuum and yes they do implode if cracked which is not very nice.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 19 16:48:03 2018 No.4533304
File: 105 KB, 1125x893, 01111_2jNqbrDygMI_1200x900[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

I just came across this craigslist listing again and I figured I'd share it with this thread to demonstrate how abruptly the manufacture of CRTs stopped and how there's likely to be a LOT of NOS CRT tubes hanging out out there. Notice these lack PCBs or even yolks they're just tubes in chassis.

https://mansfield.craigslist.org/zip/d/computer-monitors/6412925825.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 16:58:16 2018 No.4533325 >>4533304 The Thomson factory in Indiana closed their CRT production in 2006. Shortly afterwards, a fire started in the factory and destroyed a large number of tubes, believed set by a disgruntled employee who got laid off.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 19 17:11:58 2018 No.4533356 File: 1.71 MB, 3264x2448, 20180119_170934.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4533325 F

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 17:16:09 2018 No.4533368

>>4533304
Those monitors all have white 90s-style cases. I would think most displays made in the 2000s have black and silver colors. Assuming those CRT factories were on average closed in the mid to late 2000s, it's unlikely they'd still have 90s cases laying around.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 17:20:44 2018 No.4533378 >>4533304 Without yokes or PCBs, the monitors wouldn't be very useful by themselves but the tubes could be used very easily as donors to replace worn out ones.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 19 17:25:45 2018 No.4533389

>>4533368
Their production stopped abruptly whenever it happened. LCDs did penetrate as computer monitors much earlier than HDTV was even available to most people.

>>4533378
They're only 14 inch ones, but you can get a lot! Maybe use 'em as light bulbs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 18:08:17 2018 No.4533502 >>4528172 I had an early RCA one, made me motion sick as fuck to play games on it. Got a plasma and that made modern games playable, but I still prefer CRT for anything retro (and a few not considered retro by /vr/ standards)

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 18:19:45 2018 No.4533520

>>4529064
>For someone like myself, who has a moderately sized retro collection, but currently lives in a one bedroom. I can’t exactly dedicate a room to be a retro game room. With a bulking CRT.

You do realize that something like a 20" crt takes up no more room than a couple of retro consoles? I understand if you don't want one in a small environment, but honestly they don't take up much room.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 20:49:53 2018 No.4533867 >>4528667 Not until you admit you're wrong.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 22:14:03 2018 No.4534069

>>4532645
>being underage
Is the lowest form of shitposting on 4chan. Please go back where children like you belong and are allowed.

>>4532675
I have also never "worked in the electronics department of a Wal-Mart" If I was that young and unskilled I wouldn't admit it, let alone brag about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:14:53 2018 No.4534515 >>4534069 If he was working in Wal-Mart back when they had CRTs it must have been well over 10 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:23:23 2018 No.4534527 File: 78 KB, 399x428, 1475148809737.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4526334 >if you grew up with them you'd hate them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:25:32 2018 No.4534530 >>4534527 He is just trying to LARP too hard, he probably never saw a CRT before coming to /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:28:43 2018 No.4534536 File: 97 KB, 480x280, 1461815553687.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4534530 >using the word larp this way >live action role play rather than just role play Is this a comic con?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:31:52 2018 No.4534601 >>4534515 >If he was working in Wal-Mart Well there's yer problem kiddo. Were you also lugging CRTs up and down stairs in in the current decade, that you were born in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:38:28 2018 No.4534607 >>4534601 >>4534530 >>4534069 This is that same guy who rants about assembly language in retro PC threads. His posting style gives him away every time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 07:16:56 2018 No.4534664 >>4534607 He's probably the only person in /vr/ who can't stop himself from saying 'kiddo'

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 08:43:33 2018 No.4534735 https://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/video/ The motion blur issue with flat panels is being worked on. Trust me, manufacturers are consciously aware of this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 08:56:37 2018 No.4534750 >>4534607 >rants about assembly language That'd be you. There's a few anons who trigger the fuck out of you because they didn't start and fail with CSS3 and I guess I'm one of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 09:11:45 2018 No.4534760 >>4524801 I see a niche market in modern 16:9 CRT for gaming purposes. A model which is as slim as possible and something which could be rotated as well for vertical shooters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 09:26:08 2018 No.4534785 >>4534760 FWIW they were making advances towards slimmer CRTs before manufacturers decided to go for the quick cash grab of LCD displays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 16:52:06 2018 No.4535730 File: 25 KB, 323x454, forwhatpurpose.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4534760 >CRTs in the designated shitting ratio

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 16:55:29 2018 No.4535738 >>4534735 >Having to shell out a shit load of money on a 120Hz display to fix a problem that should be there in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 17:05:52 2018 No.4535762 >>4534536 It's just some faggot who is trying to force a new buzzword here. I've seen him in a few other threads as well, wouldn't be surprised if it's the same guy who desperately tried to force fifthgenner as a thing a few years back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 17:17:25 2018 No.4535796 >>4535762 >a few years back He wasn't tall enough to reach the keyboard back then

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:22:33 2018 No.4536234 >>4526334 >those who grew up with them couldn't wait to get away from them You're right. But then I realized the input lag (and other, less glaring issues) and came crawling back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:31:23 2018 No.4536240 >>4526428 If you were well off you went for SIZE. No one gave a shit about Trinitrons for living room use.

>>	BG Sat Jan 20 21:33:55 2018 No.4536246 >>4536240 Sony was a premium brand. Buying a 36" JVC instead of a 32" Trinitron is a nigger rich thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:51:22 2018 No.4536263 >>4536246 buying a 32" Trinitron instead of a 60" RCA would never have crossed the mind of anyone who wasn't a PVM autist even back then

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:09:02 2018 No.4536392 >>4534607 Only the middle post is mine, senpai... >>4534750 I have seen his strategy before, he tries to shit on others like me now. What a soyboy festival.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:12:47 2018 No.4536404 >>4536246 This. My dad and older brother used to fanboy Sony hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:15:02 2018 No.4536407 >>4534607 >His posting style gives him away every time. I find this meme funny, everybody tries to be a criminal investigator and fails miserably.

>>	BG Sat Jan 20 23:34:54 2018 No.4536449 >>4536263 >60" Confirmed rear projection nigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 11:20:29 2018 No.4537228 >>4528386 >admitting to samefagging those posts

>>	Knuckles Sun Jan 21 11:27:25 2018 No.4537238 >>4536246 But JVC is actually better

>>	BG Sun Jan 21 11:28:47 2018 No.4537239 >>4537238 Erroneous

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 22:23:20 2018 No.4538548 >>4528216 respect for daria lord of darkness my 480p crt with hdmi kicks the shit out of their 240p shitfest. It's the only tv that makes ps2 ACTUALLY look good, but ironically dreamcast looks better through vga

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 23:03:45 2018 No.4538603

>>4534607
And you're the kid who gets called out for lying in retro PC threads. The fact that terms like "larping" and "kiddo" set you off every time you see them coupled with the fact that you honestly think it's just one person saying them (i.e. the one particular anon who accused you of "roleplaying" in the recent Commodore thread you're referring to in your post) gives you away every time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 02:20:14 2018 No.4538834 CRT is much more fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 02:21:06 2018 No.4538837 >>4538834 Wat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:02:28 2018 No.4539203 >>4538548 >HDMI not a good sign as far as lag is concerned. >480p as in only 480p? And also with HDMI? odd

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:08:04 2018 No.4539210 >>4528140 >>4525539 >>4528135 There are "new" CRT television sets being made in Asia, however they're being built with recycled recycled tubes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:16:15 2018 No.4539220 >>4528251 So you didn't notice the boxes, the checkerboard pattern, or the fact that some of these tests had both thick and thin lines scrolling at the same time? Me and my 17 year old Trinitron G520 running at 75 hz and 2048x1536 did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:21:47 2018 No.4539227 >>4532685 True now, but wasn't initially the case. LCD and CRT used roughly the same amount of power until just a little before LED backlights were adopted in LCD.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:25:41 2018 No.4539231 >>4539227 >LCD and CRT used roughly the same amount of power This is a troll, right?

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 22 09:34:53 2018 No.4539243 >>4539231 It's true for medium sized or larger CFL backlit LCDs, assuming the brightness is set fairly high. My 60" plasma uses so much I can see the environment being destroyed directly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:36:02 2018 No.4539246 >>4525984 Holy shit I used to own that TV when I was a kid! We got it for free at a drop off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 09:36:40 2018 No.4539248 >>4539231 Not a troll statement, I learned this when I hooked up a living room LCD we had a few years back and saw the power consumption label on the back. The thing chewed up more power than my Trinitrons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 10:59:47 2018 No.4539331 >I feel like there is a big enough niche market You are a literal retard.

Karakasa-Obake !!bwTnifX4END Mon Jan 22 11:22:11 2018 No.4539348

>>4539243

I have a 60" plasma too. The thing puts off so much heat that in the summer I either have to watch it for only an hour or two at a time or crank the air conditioning down a couple degrees. It's pretty insane, but it does keep me toasty warm in the winter. I have one of those ranch style houses with cathedral ceilings so I imagine in a more traditional house you'd just fucking roast in there. I've not looked into it, but I bet it uses more power than a crt since I've never had a crt cause the room to overheat, even having large crt in a small room. It literally feels like a space heater is running after a few hours.

I know LED lit tvs are much cooler running but I just love how the plasma tv looks.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 22 11:50:41 2018 No.4539379 >>4539348 It uses as much as a convection oven, More than even a projector, or any of my projectors anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 15:16:08 2018 No.4539556 >the market is big enough to skyrocket the prices of CRTs but not big enough for manufacturers JUST

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 15:17:24 2018 No.4539559 >>4539556 >the market is big enough to skyrocket the prices of CRTs ???

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 15:26:40 2018 No.4539575 >>4539559 I'm talking about people selling their CRTs when normally they would just say "please take it out of my house"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 15:27:55 2018 No.4539579 >>4539575 If someone is willing to pay $10 for your CRT, why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 15:31:44 2018 No.4539582 >>4539579 >why not that's my point. Although I don't mind paying $10 for one

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Mon Jan 22 16:15:14 2018 No.4539647 >>4539575 They probably saw one of those youtube videos "Hey guys I just got this TV for free on craigslist lets throw it off this bridge and see what happens!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 17:23:08 2018 No.4539735 >>4539203 yes, didn't say I use the hdmi, I just use component. It will do 1080i as well as 720p but they look shitty

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 07:21:16 2018 No.4540109 itt pvmeme autists try to convince themselves that their obsolete appliance won’t ever break down but if it does they’ll be able to replace it with something just as good

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 07:53:35 2018 No.4540129 >>4540109 >itt pvmeme autists try to convince themselves that their obsolete appliance won’t ever break down but You repair things when they break, no?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 11:38:39 2018 No.4540434 >>4540129 Tell me how you repair worn out phosphors, anon?

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 23 11:47:25 2018 No.4540452 >>4540434 Ask me again 20,000 gaming hours from now

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 11:54:26 2018 No.4540464 >>4540452 Mm, yes, surely nothing else could happen to malfunction in the meantime. Hope they had good quality control on those electron guns, sure aren’t prone to dimming or failing either.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 23 11:57:36 2018 No.4540469 >>4540464 >railing against entropy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 12:08:40 2018 No.4540490 >>4540469 >>4540452 Protip: If you want people to take you seriously, you don't use a tripcode. Just Saiyan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 12:30:20 2018 No.4540531 >>4540434 It can be done at least with monochrome tubes. They cut the face off the CRT, scrape out the old phosphor, replace it, and reseal everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 12:34:05 2018 No.4540545 File: 410 KB, 553x598, 7B505F7C-EABF-495B-9694-93A8A1CAA0E4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540531 >thinking it will be feasable to find someone with the knowledge, skill, time, and finances to do this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 12:59:29 2018 No.4540604 @4540545 >Reddit reaction images Dropped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:01:50 2018 No.4540606 >>4540604 >I can't attack the message so I attack the messenger And even if I were from Reddit, so what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:05:27 2018 No.4540609 >>4540531 Ok but that's not very helpful for color tubes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:10:44 2018 No.4540619 >>4540606 >And even if I were from Reddit, so what? :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:11:34 2018 No.4540620 >>4540434 There are rejuvinator devices that can help an old tube, once you get to a certain age or use they are basically fucked though. We still have Nintendo Vs. games that have the original sanyo tubes, although they all take a while to warm up.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:16:10 2018 No.4540626

>>4540620
Rejuvenator devices mostly are designed to melt off pieces of shedded emissive coating. As noted earlier, electron guns can be replaced and this was commonly done in the 50s-60s, but it's damn near impossible to do anything about bad phosphor on a color tube.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:20:24 2018 No.4540631 Thomson tubes were good quality especially the higher end models, these things seem to last forever although the supporting electronics on the TVs are crap.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:27:45 2018 No.4540639

>>4540626

Yes, this is true. We happen to have a Rejuvenator around, so if a tube is looking rough with washed out colors and bad brightness, I'll usually give it a shot. sometimes you can get an improved image, but it usually lasts maybe 6 mos to a year tops. In other cases it doesn't do shit, and you get a new monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:29:30 2018 No.4540641 I've seen arcade games like Ms. Pac-Man with decades of mileage and despite horrible screen burn, the picture was still bright and sharp. I wonder what brand of tubes those things used?

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:33:12 2018 No.4540647

Usually the red gun on a color CRT goes bad before the blue and green ones. This is because the heating element in them is run at a higher temperature.

The operating lifespan of a tube will double if you keep the brightness and contrast at 50%, unfortunately a lot of TVs would have a factory default setting of like 90% because it looked better in a store display and people would often forget to adjust them properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:35:51 2018 No.4540656 >>4540631 Had a Proscan 27" that took 16 years of very heavy use before the CRT finally started to weaken.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:47:39 2018 No.4540675
File: 16 KB, 500x667, 848932866.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4540656
Also an ADI monitor similar to this one that came with a 486 PC. It was retired after 10 years of use. I still have it in the basement since I've been unable to dispose of it. Last year I fired it up and found that the flyback was going bad. It had a voltage leak in it and would make popping sounds, so I got nervous and turned it off after about five minutes. The CRT was still in good shape and had a bright picture, but because of the flyback, it was too blurry to be able to read any text on the screen and it was also very slow to warm up.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:55:54 2018 No.4540701
File: 97 KB, 1600x1066, dell-ultrascan-p991-computer-monitor-18-crt-83ea5fc0b555bf81d5d773c6f6eb7840.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Plus a Dell Ultrascan (except mine had speakers). This one disappointed me as far as durability was concerned. It wasn't used as long or quite as hard as some of the other CRTs I've had, but it started to dim and develop visible screen burn. I wonder if the fault wasn't in the phosphor coating rather than the CRT itself because I didn't see any indication that the red gun was going bad and usually if the electron guns are weakening, you'll lose that first. The red, green, and blue all seemed to dim at a constant rate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 13:59:03 2018 No.4540708 >>4540701 Is a Trinitron, no?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:00:50 2018 No.4540714 >>4540708 That's just a stock picture I found. Mine doesn't have a flat screen and it's also not a Trinitron, it's a shadow mask tube. I don't know the manufacturer desu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:02:32 2018 No.4540718 >>4540714 >>4540701 Dell only used shitty monitors anyway. Even their Trinitrons were lower end models.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:18:49 2018 No.4540747 Anyway, it's pretty sad to consider that a shit Taiwanese CRT from 1995 had better motion and blacks than 80% of the flat panels I've used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:21:27 2018 No.4540752 >>4540747 Assuming you're using LCD displays from 2004, I would not be surprised that you'd make this assessment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:25:08 2018 No.4540768 How many days has this train wreck of a thread been going?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:39:06 2018 No.4540795 >>4529436 >15K / 24K / 31K Triple Mode , Switch Over Frequency Automatically Does this mean that if I connect an old console it will display at 15Khz with scanlines?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 15:00:40 2018 No.4540826 >>4527176 >What if somebody creates what the Coleco Chameleon was supposed to be, and then it would be easy to play upscaled lagless classics. You mean what Kevin Horton and Analogue are doing right now?

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 23 15:49:07 2018 No.4540889 >>4540795 If you connect it with RGB

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 15:59:07 2018 No.4540908 >>4540701 >>4540675 >caring about trash chink shadow mask monitors like this >caring about anything other than select Sony displays I sure hope...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 16:01:13 2018 No.4540912 I think a color CRT on average is rated for 20,000 hours of use but it depends a lot on the brand and the usage/operating conditions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 16:18:58 2018 No.4540936 >>4540545 Nothing's impossible with enough money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 16:59:43 2018 No.4540993 >>4529953 I think so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 17:02:47 2018 No.4540998 >>4530884 >For example the NES is composite only without some pretty serious investment I know. Pilfering Playchoice10 PPUs is not nice. Stop doing it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 17:12:34 2018 No.4541017 >>4524953 It's mostly just new tubes to replace worn out ones. I don't think we really require entire new CRT chassis that badly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 17:47:11 2018 No.4541070 >>4528210 >keeping workers from dying is inane

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 17:59:52 2018 No.4541080 >>4541070 It's just chink sweatshop labor making the things, not anyone valuable.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 23 18:20:10 2018 No.4541108 >>4540998 NESRGB is the standard now but yeah there are definitely some PC10s out there missing their PPUs because of the old method. Just get a Titler FFS that's the most authentic method.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:31:29 2018 No.4541124 Rather than fuck with RGB mods, couldn't you just use a signal splitter to get S-video out of the NES composite out?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:31:53 2018 No.4541125 >>4541108 Most people aren't interested in paying $1000+ for a Famicom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:33:15 2018 No.4541128 >>4541125 >seriously replying to a tripfag

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 23 18:34:05 2018 No.4541131 >>4541125 There's one sitting on ebay right now for $600

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:35:05 2018 No.4541134 >>4541124 Are you the type of person who re-encodes 128kbps MP3s to FLAC thinking that will improve the audio quality?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:36:43 2018 No.4541138 Why not just hook it to SCAR...oh wait, you're Americans. Silly me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:40:37 2018 No.4541142 >>4541138 >NES >SCART I know it's hard for Europeans, but try not to be an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:49:51 2018 No.4541161 File: 62 KB, 1661x935, French model NES with SCART connector.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541142 ???

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:52:38 2018 No.4541170 >>4541161 Still composite, converted to RGB. Again, I know it's hard for you, but put in a little effort.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:53:30 2018 No.4541175 >>4541170 >Still composite, converted to RGB And nobody's claiming otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:58:00 2018 No.4541180 >>4541175 So you're just too dense to keep up with the conversation. Got it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 18:58:01 2018 No.4541181 I thought Nintendo had RGB models for their own internal use.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:01:42 2018 No.4541186 >>4541181 They did, I have no clue if they used an NTSC -> RGB converter or they had a Playchoice 10 PPU.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:08:20 2018 No.4541207 Nothing until the SMS generated an internal RGB signal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:14:32 2018 No.4541224 >>4541161 I believe NESes outside of France didn't have any SCART out, just the standard composite/RF.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:24:34 2018 No.4541250 >>4541170 >Yuropeen NESes don't have RGB >yes they do here's a picture of one >ok fine it has RGB but it doesn't meet my personal definition of RGB so it doesn't count

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:26:43 2018 No.4541254 This thread just keeps continuing to be shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:42:30 2018 No.4541286 >>4524801 If I buy a PAL Amiga 500 and want to use it in the US would i need to do anything to it specifically to let it play on an NTSC TV or monitor?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:52:15 2018 No.4541298 >>4541286 Nobody in their right mind would use an Amiga with the composite output anyway, but even with a RGB monitor it won't work too nicely because it refreshes at 50Hz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:54:15 2018 No.4541302 >>4541286 >If I buy a PAL Amiga 500 and want to use it in the US Why not just buy a US model? Besides, European Amiga gear sells for insane prices.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:56:00 2018 No.4541307 >>4541302 >European Amiga gear sells for insane prices Current ebay listings say otherwise. I can buy one from the eu +shipping cheaper than I can find one here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:01:02 2018 No.4541317 >>4541302 >Besides, European Amiga gear sells for insane prices. Plus he can't plug it into an American wall outlet or any US-spec TVs/monitors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:18:59 2018 No.4541340 >>4541307 This. I'd love an Amiga, but US models are obscenely expensive these days unless you get lucky and find one at a yard sale or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:20:49 2018 No.4541341 >>4541340 Eh? US models are much cheaper because the interest in Amigas here is significantly smaller than in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:25:09 2018 No.4541350 >>4541341 Where are you finding these cheap NTSC Amigas?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:26:20 2018 No.4541352 >>4541340 >unless you get lucky and find one at a yard sale or something I'm sure if this were 1995, I'd find plenty at yard sales.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:33:17 2018 No.4541361 >>4541350 Better question is, where does he think he's getting a cheap European Amiga? Not on this planet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:36:14 2018 No.4541370 Do you even know how CRT works? I bet you don't understand the concept of photon cannon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:41:41 2018 No.4541385 >>4541361 They're not "cheap" anywhere anymore, but as an American who's been looking for one for a while, I can confirm it's currently somewhat cheaper to buy a PAL model and have it shipped to the US.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:42:20 2018 No.4541386
File: 58 KB, 1024x790, HP 2011x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

This is the monitor I'm typing on (not mine, just a stock photo). The response time is definitely not as good as a CRT. On the other hand, I couldn't stare at a CRT for hours without getting a headache.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:49:52 2018 No.4541402 >>4541385 And then he'd have to spend $$$ to be able to use it on a US wall outlet or monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 20:58:52 2018 No.4541409 >>4541386 that's a cheap POS chink monitor

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:02:01 2018 No.4541414 >>4541409 Big deal, CRTfags act like 90% of CRTs in use weren't POS chink monitors and everyone had a top-line Sony broadcast monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:05:57 2018 No.4541419 >>4541402 Even with the 115v power supply it's still cheaper. And as I understand it, monitors are no big deal since you can just set the Amiga to 60 Hz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:06:30 2018 No.4541423 >>4541414 You're not getting it. Back then, people couldn't afford to pay $10,000 for a monitor. Today you can get the things for pennies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:11:05 2018 No.4541428 >>4524801 >possibility 100% possible. Cost is prohibitive. https://dotronix.com/our-work/dnr-series/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:13:54 2018 No.4541431 >>4541428 I guess this confirms that there are indeed still new CRTs being sold for certain specialized tasks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:18:14 2018 No.4541438 >>4541431 I'd be curious as to exactly why a CRT would be beneficial to an art gallery.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 21:23:06 2018 No.4541442

As I said earlier, CRTs are unbeatable for fluid motion. They're definitely at a disadvantage for static images against an LCD, and in fact the entire original raison d'etre behind CRTs was to display TV broadcasts. The idea of using them for static images didn't come until some later date.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:08:45 2018 No.4541501 >>4541431 Yes but you realize that art galleries are generally a business that has money to spend on CRTs. A bunch of neckbeards who live in their mom's basement at 40 aren't enough to keep CRT production viable and profitable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:17:19 2018 No.4541519 >>4541501 This is a point that hasn't been brought up so far. It's really business and government sales that profit comes from. Say an office that buys 1000 computer monitors. Consumer-end sales are seldom ever profitable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:20:28 2018 No.4541527 >>4526743 That's actually really interesting, certainly seems like the best bet. I could imagine if they had the tooling available, they could do a boutique run of expensive CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:24:49 2018 No.4541535 >>4541527 >they could do a boutique run of expensive CRTs Dude, nobody is going to make new Wegas. >>4525984 Is the best you can hope for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:33:20 2018 No.4541558 >>4527732 But curved displays have more of that authentic retro aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:37:19 2018 No.4541563 >>4527302 The OP pic is literally a Wega.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 22:59:32 2018 No.4541594 >>4527859 tripfags are all reddit-tier faggots

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 23:20:22 2018 No.4541618

>>4527946
They're the ones I'd go see to get a Star Wars Arcade tube rebuilt. You know what? One of those sweet color aircraft MFDs they have could probably be coaxed to display an arcade's image. By using proper lenses, you could probably display the image on a bigger form factor in the viewing area of the cabinet/TV casing (say, 9" into a 27").

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 23:37:38 2018 No.4541632

>>4534760
Whenever MicroLED TVs become available, someone will probably write custom firmware so they retrace just like a CRT. Hell, I'd put a MicroLED substrate on a curved glass with the same sub-pixel (or "phosphor") density as a CRT with a PCB programmed to do a raster. You could even probably imitate vector displays, with many colors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 00:25:35 2018 No.4541725 >>4539735 I meant that the TV itself just HAVING hdmi isn't a good sign for lag on ANY of its inputs I speak from experience from exactly one CRT

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 08:23:06 2018 No.4542212 >>4527946 There was a CRT rebuilder Hawkeye Tubes (reportedly the last one operating in the US). It closed in 2007 when the dude apparently retired. He was kind of a faggot though, he wouldn't rebuild anything but certain 50s-60s TVs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 08:34:39 2018 No.4542228 >>4541535 >>4525960 >>4526903 >>4525960 >>4527319 Wega, Wega, Wega, Wega. For God's sake, quit jerking off to these mediocre TVs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 09:17:27 2018 No.4544625 bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 16:25:24 2018 No.4547174 >>4544625 This shitpile thread doesn't need more bumps.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 16:32:59 2018 No.4547186 File: 36 KB, 399x577, da309f4e21d30677b62a981a212fdce9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4542228 Shut up. WEGAs are awesome.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 16:59:09 2018 No.4547251
File: 48 KB, 640x548, 163a93af780873d295a3a5ede1eebda6[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>4547186
Sweet. It's a shame the art deco movement ran out of steam juuuust before CRTs reached their apex, though I imagine there are probably some European RGB Scart models that would be awesome to have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:05:04 2018 No.4547270 >>4524801 no, cost of modern shipping costs would kill all interests and the companies with the best tech, like sony, would demand royalties

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:05:05 2018 No.4547269 >>4547251 How'd I know this was a European ad?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:09:29 2018 No.4547281 File: 44 KB, 800x600, e7a6c892ea62f1f923b803215a731bdb_orig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4547251 I'd put it more toward the Bauhaus movement than Art Deco but whatever. >Italians in charge of out-cubing Sony PVMs

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:43:01 2018 No.4547326 >>4524805 Unlikely. The production cost of CRT's is immense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:43:51 2018 No.4547329 >>4547326 It was done for decades without breaking the bank. Besides, we're talking like a 70 year old technology here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:44:04 2018 No.4547331 >>4526370 Doesn't mean it's cheap to produce an electron gun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:46:12 2018 No.4547340 >>4547329 It was because they weren't selling them to a niche market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:49:08 2018 No.4547347 >>4547340 I don't see any conclusive evidence that it's a niche market. Personally I think there's a whole lot of people who miss the response time/motion quality of CRTs and had that choice taken away from them.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:51:57 2018 No.4547351

>>4547347
>I don't see any conclusive evidence that it's a niche market. Personally I think there's a whole lot of people who miss the response time/motion quality of CRTs and had that choice taken away from them.

Ok but you're making a bad argument here because it's one that isn't disprovable. The general rule in science is that any theory that can't be disproven is not considered sound.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 17:54:47 2018 No.4547354 >>4547351 What's not disprovable?

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:01:17 2018 No.4547370

>>4547354
You said you believe a lot of people would still buy a CRT but that option was taken away from them by the industry. The problem with your argument is that it's not provable either way.

There's two possibilities. One could be that consumers preferred the flat panels because of their lower bulk/power consumption and the other is that they preferred the CRTs but manufacturers wanted to get rid of them because flat panels cost less to produce.

Either theory is possible but as it can't be proven either way, it's an illogical argument. Like, suppose they brought the things back tomorrow. Suppose you went to Best Buy and suddenly there's a giant wall of CRTs like it was 1995. Ok. Now we have to suppose as well that people looking to purchase a TV would go "Oh, golly be gee, I missed having CRTs--nuts to Sony for taking them away from us."

Well, it's quite possible they wouldn't (I don't think myself they'd still buy the things given the choice) but at the same time, there is no way to actually prove it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:05:08 2018 No.4547375 The best solution would be a split market. One could use flat panels for static images like using MS Office and then CRTs could be sold for motion/gaming stuff. That way everyone's happy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:06:52 2018 No.4547381 >>4547375 I want to agree with you but not sure if it could be done economically.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:10:47 2018 No.4547387

At minimum I think the best thing to do would have been to keep CRTs until flat panels are brought up to the same level of motion quality. When the technology has gotten good enough, perhaps then we could move on from CRTs. But we haven't gotten there yet and we sure didn't when they decided 10 years ago to arbitrarily pull the plug on them.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 18:11:50 2018 No.4547392

>>4547370
You can just look at the used market and see that he's wrong. Despite all the bitching about "the bubble", even the most premium CRTs can currently be bought for less than the final msrp of shitty CRTs and there's more reason to believe production costs today would be higher than to believe the opposite.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 18:14:37 2018 No.4547396 File: 327 KB, 926x709, WalMart-2005-2[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:14:49 2018 No.4547398 >>4547392 >even the most premium CRTs can currently be bought for less than the final msrp of shitty CRTs How many of those CRTs have shot tubes? Nobody's going to pay the original sales price for a monitor with weak guns and screen burn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:17:04 2018 No.4547407 >>4547392 How cute, a tripfag thinks its opinion is relevant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:19:39 2018 No.4547413 >>4547398 I dunno. A lot of those last CRTs made in the mid-2000s hardly even got any use before people tossed them out with the DTV switch.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 18:22:07 2018 No.4547416 >>4547398 There's no shortage of brand new mediocre TVs on ebay selling for well under their original retail price right this very second.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:23:19 2018 No.4547420 >>4547413 Do you think the disappearance of CRTs actually was related to the DTV switch? I have my suspicion that it was necessarily market demand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:26:46 2018 No.4547428 >>4547420 It was. CRTs were dead well before the switchover. Some people here have trouble comprehending the idea that mainstream consumers preferred digital flatscreens over CRTs, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 18:28:35 2018 No.4547434 >>4547428 *It was market demand, I mean.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:31:01 2018 No.4547541 >>4547428 >Some people here have trouble comprehending the idea that mainstream consumers preferred digital flatscreens over CRTs, though It's like the other guy said, there's no way to prove or disprove this claim.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:35:46 2018 No.4547551 >>4547428 Well, I mean it's easy to prefer a flat screen when that's all the stores have to buy.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:39:25 2018 No.4547558

>>4547428
>Some people here have trouble comprehending the idea that mainstream consumers preferred digital flatscreens over CRTs, though.

There's the problem with this argument. They started to phase out CRTs in the mid-2000s when flat screen displays were still quite shitty. The things have gotten better now to be sure but I can't imagine anyone would willingly prefer an LCD TV from 2005-ish over a CRT. I sure wouldn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:45:36 2018 No.4547571 >>4547396 I'm not 100% up on the economics of the thing, but it's interesting how cheap they could sell CRTs back then, but now apparently according to people in this thread, it would be absurdly cost ineffective to sell them now.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:46:51 2018 No.4547576

>>4547541
>>4547551
>>4547558
Some of us weren't children back then, so we actually remember what the market was like. By the time HD started taking off, no one wanted a CRT anymore. They were the TV for poor people. HD CRTs existed and people could have bought those instead, but no one wanted one, because by that time you could get an LCD that had a far larger and sharper screen that used far less power and took up less living room space. It was a no-brainer.

Motion blur was still an issue at the time, but no one cared because movies are 24fps anyway. Some gamers kept using CRTs for a while, but they were a niche within a niche.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:50:50 2018 No.4547584 I remember a lot of people who did not like having the market choice of a CRT taken away from them. I could pull up some archived forum/Usenet posts from 10 years ago to prove it too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:54:06 2018 No.4547589 I bet you my firstborn son if they were to sell new CRTs tomorrow, there would be takers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:55:20 2018 No.4547592 >>4547584 Sure there were. Hell, I was one of them. I resisted the move to LCDs for a long time. But it's impossible to deny that the larger market wanted flatscreens.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:57:24 2018 No.4547596

>>4547592
>But it's impossible to deny that the larger market wanted flatscreens

That's the problem. Did people want flat screens or were they forced to buy them because the option of a CRT was removed from them? There isn't a definitive answer, only speculation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:58:23 2018 No.4547602 >>4547596 There is a definitive answer, you just don't want to see it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 19:59:16 2018 No.4547603 >>4547596 I personally think the market preferred the flat screens but alright, I will admit I can't prove you wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:00:31 2018 No.4547605 >>4547602 >There is a definitive answer What answer is that? Whichever argument in >>4547596 you take, you also have to back it up with proof or else it just becomes meaningless navel-gazing.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:01:57 2018 No.4547606

>>4547605
So basically you're setting an impossible burden of proof on me to demonstrate that the market did want flat screens? That's why I hate this retarded thread that's thankfully almost at the bump limit. People are using ridiculous levels of logical fallacy to make their position unassailable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:02:52 2018 No.4547608 >>4547605 I don't have sales figures, but my evidence is that I was there and I remember.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:04:38 2018 No.4547609 >>4547608 In that case, your evidence is just about as solid and substantive as >>4547584's who is arguing the complete opposite.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 20:05:36 2018 No.4547614 >>4547596 The definitive answer is that they didn't want them ENOUGH to make them as profitable for the manufacturers as LCDs. You can take that to the bank because that's the way the market works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:07:56 2018 No.4547617 >>4547609 And I already responded to that. >>4547592 There WERE people who preferred CRTs. They were a small minority. Most everyone in the consumer sphere wanted flatscreens for the reasons I already outlined.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:08:48 2018 No.4547619

>>4547584
If people don't like new flat screens then why'd they replace their CRT with them?
I've seen many many old fully functional, sometimes even higher-end, CRT in the trash. Presumably replaced by a new flat screen.
Of course this does happen less nowadays since LCD have gotten so much cheaper over the last few years, so most people already replaced theirs years ago.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:11:09 2018 No.4547625

>>4547617
>There WERE people who preferred CRTs. They were a small minority.

Let's be honest with ourselves here. Manufacturers liked flat panels because the production cost and shipping were cheaper and also it was easier to adapt them for digital TV signals. That's it. That's what happened and the actual marketplace was never taken into account.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:15:14 2018 No.4547630 >>4547625 That could be the case, but as it turned out the marketplace preferred them as well, so it worked out for everyone.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 20:15:28 2018 No.4547631 >>4547625 >because the production cost and shipping were cheaper >the actual marketplace was never taken into account. cost is a huge part of the market

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:15:56 2018 No.4547634 >>4547630 >That could be the case, but as it turned out the marketplace preferred them as well You keep making this claim but you can't actually back it up with evidence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:18:04 2018 No.4547637 >>4547634 I did. You're just too blinded by nostalgia to accept it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:18:46 2018 No.4547638 >>4547634 This thread is at the bump limit and I'm bored of arguing so...goodbye and fuck you.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 20:22:33 2018 No.4547641

>>4547634
It's backed up by the fact there aren't still new crts in the market. Look at it this way. There was a point where people were going to buy a tv and saw a situation like this:
>13" CRTs $80
>13" LCDs $100
>20" CRTs $200
>21" LCDs $260
>36" CRTs $500
>40" LCDs $800
>50" LCDs $1500
and they bought the LCDs and didn't buy the CRTs so the CRTs stopped being sold. The LCDs didn't even have to get to the point they were cheaper because the CRTs had a higher total cost including logistics. To have kept CRTs, people would have had to be willing to pay MORE than for a similar sized LCD which they definitely wouldn't have them and I expect damn few would even now.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:28:08 2018 No.4547648

>>4547641
Especially now. LCDs have gotten so good that CRTs can only surpass them in a few very specific and limited aspects that most people simply don't care about. CRTs are of course ideal for hardcore retro gaming enthusiasts, but that's pretty much the only market left for a hypothetical brand new CRT. No one else would buy them at this point.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Jan 26 20:33:49 2018 No.4547654 >>4547648 I assume there are some comparably hardcore PC gamers who use CRTs but they're an equally niche that are also more than supplied by used ones

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:41:35 2018 No.4547660 >>4547648 >few very specific and limited aspects that most people simply don't care about. Like any kind of motion?

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 20:49:35 2018 No.4547669

>>4547660
Yes, that and latency. But normal consumers don't even notice either of those things. Even if they do, they certainly don't care enough to give up their 65" 4K TVs to fix them. Hell, modern games go out of their way to add *more* motion blur and it's considered a feature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:57:47 2018 No.4548631 >>4547571 Prices are ditacted by the market or something like that. Like how otacucks pay a couple hundred dollars by a BD that would be dirt cheap elsewhere and they had to make region locking a thing.

Advanced search
Text to find
Subject [?]Search by post subject. Leave empty for any.
Username [?]Search for user name. Leave empty for any user name.
Tripcode [?]Search for tripcode. Leave empty for any.
Email [?]Search by email. Leave empty for any.
Filename [?]Search by image filename. Leave empty for any.
From Date [?]Enter what date to start searching from. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
To Date [?]Enter what date to start searching until. Format is YYYY-MM-DD
Image hash
Search in	All Posts OPs Only
Deleted posts	Show all posts Show only deleted posts Only show non-deleted posts
Internal posts	Show all posts Show only internal posts Show only archived posts
Order	New posts first Old posts first
Capcode	All Posts Only by Users Only by Mods Only by Admins Only by Developers
Results	Posts Threads
Action	[ Simple ]

/vr/ - Retro Games