/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4313302]

fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.4313306]

fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.4313310]

Ya. There are those who favor it, but I say Radical Dreamers was better.

[Anonymous No.4313345]

Harle's japanese name Tsukuyomi was so much more badass than the name the localization team ended up choosing. It also ruined her moon motif.

[Anonymous No.4313368]

>>4313345
Lucky Dan > Mojo

[MakiChan !!bFFwWplkhkU No.4313371]

>>4313302
I liked the game but i always felt likeni broke the game during one part where you cross a fire cavern. I know you were supposed to get something to cross it and notn get hurt. Id always just go right through and the other side of the game seemed unfinoshed when i did that. I googled it and apparamtly you can do either but i literally tried everythimg and got stuck literally every playthrough at the same point at least 4 times. I want to run through the game again. Hopefully itll turn up on steam one day. I loathe emulating playstatiom games.

[Anonymous No.4313375]

>>4313371

>he doesn't know how to emulate PSX games

[Anonymous No.4313376]

>>4313371
Sound like you had a scratched CD.

[Anonymous No.4313379]

>>4313302

Yeah, it's a bad game that people only bought because it was a sequel to Chrono Trigger. Nobody really liked it even back then, they just tried to find whatever enjoyment they could out of a long disappointment. Pretty sure most people didn't even finish it, I know I didn't.

[Anonymous No.4313432]

>>4313302
It's a bad Chrono game, but it's perfectly fine on its own.

[Anonymous No.4313471]

Triggerniggers hate it because they're too dumb to understand even the basic premise. It's hilarious watching them squirm when they try to come up with actual facts supporting their deranged opinions.

[Anonymous No.4313716]

>>4313302
Had great music. The rest fucking sucked
. And hasnt got better since.

[Anonymous No.4313790]

Why is it so unpopular among manchildren?

[Anonymous No.4313848]

>decide to make guile magus in development
>then roll back that idea so the game is filled with all these stupid dropped plot elements that are supposed to connect the game
>then make it so guile REALLY WAS magus with the shitty DS port that shows him having no memory in el nido
they honestly fucked everything about chrono trigger up, it had to be on purpose

[Anonymous No.4313860]

>>4313848
Guile is Magus but not our Magus. That's the best way I can put it.

[Anonymous No.4313870]

>>4313848
The Guile/Magus connection is only hinted so Trigger autists have something to latch to. But ask yourself is such a plot thread even relevant to what Sarge is doing? No, it isn't becouse the CT cast despite time travel power already failed to achieve anything.

[Anonymous No.4313878]

>>4313302
NIGGA U SUCK

[Anonymous No.4313982]

>>4313310
I agree. It wasn't totally batshit insane with homosexual dogs and voodoo doll companions. Way better atmosphere overall. Just a shame there's no replay value once you know the order to do things.

[Anonymous No.4313987]

>>4313379
>I'm retarded therefore everyone is retarded

[Anonymous No.4314000]

>>4313860
No, the DS version made it abundantly clear it is the same Magus.

[Anonymous No.4314007]

>>4313302
Good game but I prefer RD.

[Anonymous No.4314030]

>>4313471
>It's hilarious watching them squirm when they try to come up with actual facts supporting their deranged opinions.
Could you help explain the ending? How did the worlds mend together? What does that mean for the drastically contrasted lives that many of the people lived? How come it says that you won't remember anything, then as soon as Surge is back in the world he asks Leena a few things about what happened as if he remembered? Why does it show Kid in our world, and then randomly show her in a wedding dress at the beach afterwards?

[Anonymous No.4314036]

>>4314000
maybe he means its not the same magus because schala destroyed his memories to keep him from wasting his life searching for her, so essentially he is magus physically but not the one we knew from CT, who was obsessed with finding his sister.

Schala in destroying his memories effectively killed the CT magus, really.

[Anonymous No.4314046]

>>4313790
Are manchildren liberal libtard cucks that are also autistic?

[Anonymous No.4314068]

>>4314036
What a cunt

[Anonymous No.4314170]

>>4313375
I know how. I emulated suikoden ii back in the day. Its just an annoying process for something that I never use.

>>4313376
Naw i think im just dumb tbqh

[Anonymous No.4314207]

>>4313379
>Nobody really liked it even back then

It sold at least a million copies in every region it was released in and garnered excellent reviews. Those are basic facts, you steamed ham.

[Anonymous No.4314220]

>>4313375
>he's too poor to afford buying actual hardware because mommy won't give him enough allowance
>he won't just get a job so he buy it and not have to deal with shitty emulation

Emulation is only acceptable for on the go gaming. How's that input lag btw?

[Anonymous No.4314236]

>>4314220
>input lag in rpgs

[Anonymous No.4314946]

>>4314220
>think its just the hardware and not needing a decent CRT that weights 800lbs and will develop awful color bleed or just outright die
They really just need to release all of the classics on modern systems and actually put in effort to make them not look like garbage when upscaled

FF8 looks great on steam with enough mods so it can be done, and that was a generally bad port, too.

[Anonymous No.4314959]

>>4314946
>and that was a generally bad port, too.
I thought that was only because of the music?

[Anonymous No.4314976]

>>4313302
At the very least you can't deny that the music was phenomenal and that the graphics pushed the PS1 to it's limits. Still can't salvage it from ruining Chrono Trigger. Baby daughter clone.

[Anonymous No.4315007]

>>4314976
>ruining Chrono Trigger

More like salvaging Trigger by fixing its numerous fuckups.

[Anonymous No.4315065]

>>4314976
>Baby daughter clone.
Threadly reminder that this was the result of a translation impasse. In Chrono Trigger, the Lavos "Spawns" were called "bunshin", ie Lavos' "other selves", or more technically clone-spawns. In Cross, Schala's ability to create her own "bunshin" is clearly a reference to Lavos' powers and how she's now fused with it (unlike in Radical Dreamers, where Kid was Schala herself).

This term is nearly impossible to translate without expanding it into technical/wordy nonsense, and thus "clone-daughter" came to be.

>>4313345
You're absolutely correct, "Harle" is a copout and conveys nothing about her original name. At least stuff "Mojo" (and "Mojoy") were creative within the name character limits. Harle is akin to naming Nikki "Singer" or Fargo "Pirate", it's just lazy.

That being said, what do you think could have been done to improve on it? My idea would be to keep the moon deity reference, but not Tsukuyomi itself as it's too long and too foreign to non-weebs (and back then only the hardcore weebs would have known who Tsukuyomi was, anyway). The thing is that the most known moon deity references sound fairly mundane (Selene or Phoebe), so I'd look into other mythologies for a male moon god instead, since Tsukuyomi is, after all, male. The contrast was probably on purpose given her true identity as the moon dragon.

It all sounds stupid now, since "Harle" is so ingrained into Cross players, but I do think it would have been nice to have her have a more imposing, mythological name like she was meant to.

Also fuck "Masa" and "Mune", "Mastermune" was a nice attempt to work with Woosley's retarded name changes, but it has none of the meaning or gravitas "Grand Dream" does.

[Anonymous No.4315112]

>>4314207
>sales = likes

People bought the game day one on brand name alone. It wasn't until two weeks later when they finished it did they realize how much it sucked.

[Anonymous No.4315269]

>>4314976
>that the graphics pushed the PS1 to it's limit
WTF? How?

[Anonymous No.4315302]

>>4314207

>generated excellent reviews
>implying vidya journalism is trustworthy

Even before Gamergate, vidya journalism was mostly "corrupt" marketing. Magazines sold ads to publishers, and there were a lot of Chrono Cross ads. Publishers who spent a lot of money on ads expected favorable reviews as part of the marketing package they bought, to sell what the businessmen view as just a toy for children so who even cares if their reviews are lying/unethical? We the consumers care, of course, but we don't sign their paychecks or hold stock shares.

[Anonymous No.4315343]

Have never played Trigger yet. But based on my knowledge of RPG's in general. This is a great game with a few moderate flaws.

>Relaxing start which slowly gets you ready for the game's mechanics.

>Are given multiple choices which alter the story more than any Telltale game, encourages replays

>Incredible music, leaves you with wonder, relaxation, and adventure.

>Story was engaging and still leaves plotholes left up for you to interpret

>Multiple endings, new game plus gives you a fast forward button, seriously a FF button in a JRPG

Flaws include

>Elements system kinda being a clusterfuck, getting good elements had crypt quests and you kinda just gave the best shit to Serge anyway

>Story gets incredibly plot dump heavy in 3 places, drags on for awhile and it is pure lazyness

>With this game having FUCKING 45 CHARACTERS most have very little character development, they also try to hammer in a bond with Kid (whom I hate) hard into the game. Glad you can never have her in your party if you just say the right things

>Serge is broken since he is an unchangeable party member, don't think this game was meant to be hard anyway but still.

>Ending fucking sucked

Conclusion: Buy this game, even if you haven't played Trigger, you won't be that confused because it's only really connected in the 3 main plot dump parts. Everything else is brand new. Got this game brand new for $10 physically. So being unable to play it is no excuse. Make your own stories with your massive roster of characters if you have to.

[Anonymous No.4315347]

>>4314959
it had some texture issues too, but yeah the music is what most people know is fucked up, though its probably the easiest fix of all, ironically, you can honestly use an overwhelming amount of mods for that game, like well over 20, its quite ridiculous. Only a few of them are for things like model upgrades too, most of it is just for making the game look good while upscaled and not having textures explode all over the place, some also make the pre-renders less pixelated

[Anonymous No.4315396]

>>4315343
>it's only really connected in the 3 main plot dump parts. Everything else is brand new
Once you play Chrono Trigger, you'll come to realize that all villains, a couple major characters and a couple locations are thinly veiled reskins of Chrono Trigger villains, characters and locations, meant to link both games together in an uncertain way which only really clicks after reading the plot dumps.

[Anonymous No.4315405]

>>4313310
Radical Dreamers isn't even a game

[Anonymous No.4315417]

>>4315343
Don't forget
>some characters (mostly the mandatory ones) are objectively better than others, removing the need for things like Mr Bones' Wild Fetch Quest

[Anonymous No.4315541]

>>4314030
Worlds didn't mend together. Defeating Lavos caused all events of Chrono Cross to be reverted. Worlds were not split in the first place. So people from these worlds are victims of time travel (just like people from post-apocaliptic future in Chrono Trigger). It's unclear what happens with them. That problem is addressed by Lucca. She was scared that people from removed timelines are going to take revenge on her. But there is no canon explanation.

Kid and Schala become one person, because reason why Kid was born never occurred. The result is Schala with Kid's memory. (Remember that time travelers keep their memory about removed timelines. Serge is not one of them, but Schala is.) She is looking for Serge by moving between worlds. Wedding photo means that she found him.

[Anonymous No.4315970]

>>4313302
Good graphics, good music, bad gameplay, bad story.