/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4202876]

How do I get into Fallout 2? The beginning with the temple really bored me.

[Anonymous No.4202882]

1. Get a mod that lets you skip the Temple of Trials.
2. Head over to Klamath as soon as the game starts and pick up the Pipe Rifle from the shack on the northeast side of Klamath.
3. Run over to The Den and murder Tubby and Flick with the Pipe Rifle for all the weapons, ammo, and items you could ever need to start off.

[Anonymous No.4202934]

The temple takes like 5min, just run through...faggot.

[Anonymous No.4202943]

It shouldn't be too hard for players with Fallout 1 experience.

[Anonymous No.4202971]

>>4202876
>play unarmed
>AGI and STR
>kick the shit out of ants
>laugh maniacally as they explode

[Anonymous No.4203053]

>>4202876

[Anonymous No.4204227]

>>4202876
did you already finish the temple? if not you can get a mod that lets you skip the temple. as far as getting into the game in general you need to like crpgs and the fallout atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.4204242]

>>4202876
The temple teaches you important mechanics: Lock picking, explosive door opening when lockpicks fail
Trap/plate detection and disarming/avoiding
Enemy sequencing and surprise rounds.
Fleeing from enemies/kiting to reduce to eliminate enemy attacks
Container hunting.

Pixel hunting can be avoided by holding down left shift to highlight items.

If you feel you got all those, yeah, it's boring. It's also just about enough xp to level

Then again I never got around to installing the mod to skip it because it's not all that long to get through when you know what to do and how to abuse the system.

[Anonymous No.4204320]

The game takes a bit of time to start. When you get your first gun things start to get good.

[Anonymous No.4204498]

Fallout 2 it's generally regarded as inferior to the first game because being so big actually played against it.

The first had a smaller map but a more condensed adventure and sidequests.

2 feels too scattered and basically you're delivery boy, the sidequests hardly feel rewarding and the game also doesn't reward variety. Sure you can try different builds, that doesn't mean they're going to work.

[Anonymous No.4204521]

>>4204498
Wrong. Broken Hill is more complex than anything in FO1 with its endings, and nobody in FO1 is as in depth as Myron is in FO2

Fallout 1 is the milky way, but Fallout 2 is a whole universe.

[Anonymous No.4204610]

>>4202971
Too bad Melee Damage is a shit statistic, because it only increases your maximum damage. You need STR 7 to get any improvement, and it's miserable. No Unarmed brawler should pump Strength; it's the most "freebie" of the stats anyway.

>>4202876
When you're bored of the temple, just run past all the ants. You don't need to kill anything.

>>4204498
Honestly I agree with you, and definitely disagree about the "depth" of Broken Hills here (>>4204521), because Broken Hills is fetch quest central. It's really not that interesting of a location, even if Marcus is there.

Myron is a pretty damn memorable NPC, though, especially when you consider that the same guy plays Boone (and Max Goof). He has impressive voice range.

And yeah, generally, for any FO2 blues, just pull through ToT. The game really opens up when you get to the Den. Though it still has quite a lot of padding and some uninspired bits. Still, New Reno is one of the greatest hub towns in all RPGs.

[Anonymous No.4204615]

>>4204498
>>4204521
Also the one thing that FO2 does very well is that it expands mechanics. More skill checks for stuff that was terrible in FO1, many more perks, grander level progression, and BETTER WEAPON PROGRESSION. It was infuriating how Unarmed and Melee characters survive off of literal shit until you get Power Fist / Super Sledge, respectively. In FO2, you get a lot of intermediate weaponry and Unarmed gets the special array of armor-piercing punches and kicks. Also there were way too few Big Guns. FO2 made everything worthwhile, except Throwing, barring the Stunbot Thrown Flare Cheese build that I don't believe was intentional.

[Anonymous No.4204673]

God bless the Temple of Trials. Best casual & bethestard filter of all time.

[Anonymous No.4204679]

>>4204673
Difficulty is not a complaint, it's a bore.

[Anonymous No.4204680]

>>4204679
If people don't want to sit through the literal 2 minutes the temple of trials takes they don't deserve to play the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.4204689]

>>4204610
>because Broken Hills is fetch quest central.

What would you prefer? It's an RPG style faction location using a racial component, and ultimately no matter what you do, you can't save it.

Fallout 1 location endings are incomplete or barely have any comments at the end of the game.

[Anonymous No.4205126]

Fallout 1 is just the demo of Fallout 2.

[Anonymous No.4205256]

>>4204689
Well, frankly, simply a better quest design.
Having to run errands all the way to New Reno for Zaius is not fun. Running through a shitty cave with fodder monsters in it to install a mining part is not fun. The "factions" that divide Broken Hills offer some real choices (if you lock up the racists, you say good bye to a fantastic supply of combat drugs), but it feels a little bit too shallow and bogged down in fairly weaksauce quest design.

FO2 is bigger. It has more quests. Some of those quests are gold, some of those are filler. Broken Hills feels very much like a "filler" location. It contributes to storytelling and is compelling enough, but I find it quite a bore on subsequent playthroughs.

At least Redding has a few challenging and memorable combat encounters, like the Morton Gang and the Wannamingo mine, plus the whole "jet addiction" thing lets you uncover a ton of cool things for New Reno, NCR and Vault City and really feel like you can influence the region. BH is just... kinda there.

Marcus is great, but otherwise, it's just kind of a backwater location and it doesn't even offer as much fun as other backwater locations, as The Den. Or even Modoc. You can't even influence it much because in the end, everyone loses. It just doesn't feel that satisfying.

[Anonymous No.4205323]

if the temple bored you, you're gonna hate the rest of the game.

>inb4 people just play the game for the post-apoc aesthetic, and don't want to fight through generic fantasy temples

[Anonymous No.4207194]

What other /vr/ games let you play as a 16 year old crack who're prostitute fucking old men in the den to pay for her jet fix with the chem reliant trait and every other addiction in the game?

[Anonymous No.4207527]

>>4202876
Have you considered not being such an impatient bitch? the temple is like 15 minutes long

[Anonymous No.4207696]

>>4202876
by getting rid of it and buying fallout 4 instead

[Anonymous No.4207813]

>>4204610
>especially when you consider that the same guy plays Boone
what

[Anonymous No.4207829]

>>4207813
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Marsden#Video_games

[Anonymous No.4207862]

>>4202876
The temple is most boring beginning in the video game for me so far. The onliest one that can compete is probably Fable.

>>4203053
lmao

[Anonymous No.4207865]

>>4207829
Jesus J. Christ.

[Anonymous No.4207878]

>>4204498
2's builds are generally more viable than 1's

[Anonymous No.4207971]

>>4207696
1. Fallout 4 isn't even in the same genre as Fallout 2.

2. >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.4207989]

>>4207971

Gotta get them epic Todd Howard jokes in.

[Anonymous No.4208439]

>>4207878
Builds in Fallout 1 are basically always Small Guns. There are no Energy Weapons or Big Guns until you get to the Hub and they are SUPER expensive to buy at that point. Not only that but when you do buy them you have basically got end game gear and don't progress any more (aside from Plasma Rifle -> Turbo Plasma Rifle).

Fallout 2 on the other hand, while still shitty how you don't encounter an EW or BG until around New Reno (could be right after the Den if you're actually trying), there's still way more of the game to play once you do get them, and there is a lot more progression with both of those weapon types than in F1.

Fallout 2 is categorically better for builds, actual roleplaying and gameplay content. Fallout 1 has a more condensed and better story and setting, but the gameplay of Fallout 2 outweighs the cheesiness of the easter eggs and references people constantly point out.

[Anonymous No.4208525]

>>4208439
>New Reno (could be right after the Den if you're actually trying),
Do you mean the toxic caves?

[Anonymous No.4208571]

>>4204227
Where can I find this? Is it compatible with the restoration project or the unofficial patch?

[Anonymous No.4208589]

>not killing everything in the temple for EXP

[Anonymous No.4208869]

>>4208525
No. You can get Energy Weapons in the deeper area of the Toxic Caves but IIRC it takes high repair and an electronic lockpick which you are absolutely not going to have that early, not to mention the giant robot down there.

You can get directions to Redding and New Reno while in The Den (as well as Vault City of course), so clearly the game is set up in a way that will let you make your way there pretty early, though it'd be slow and a bit treacherous.

[Anonymous No.4209268]

>>4204610
>melee is shit

you obviously never screwed around a melee build and just went straight to guns all the time while being miserably underpowered early. Now excuse me, I have things to punch with my mega power fist

[Anonymous No.4209274]

>>4202876
The temple takes like ten minutes to get through if you're not stupid.

[Anonymous No.4209279]

Don't bother, RPGs are actual video games anyway

[Anonymous No.4209380]

>>4208589
You need to disarm the traps so you can level up before the boss.

[Anonymous No.4209669]

>>4209268
Reading comprehension, mate. I said "Melee Damage is shit". That's a statistic. This statistic increases your MAXIMUM damage with Unarmed and Melee weapons by 1 point for every point of Strength above 6. A 10 Strength character gets 5 Melee Damage. That still means you can roll really low on your melee damage roll and deal pitiful damage with your fist or knife, and the amount of maximum damage you can possibly reach with this statistic is small. At most, pumping the Melee Damage stat only makes your blows deal (very slightly) higher average damage.

To put it bluntly, a melee brawler has no reason to pump Strength. If you're not going to use the special Unarmed moves in FO2, the access to which Strength somehow determines (though I'm not sure at this point), you can leave it as low as 3 (i.e. you're a Melee Weapons build), because Melee Damage never goes below 1.

This also means the Heavy Handed trait is pretty weak, as it pretty much makes it impossible to knockout, debilitate or outright crit-kill anyone while giving you crap returns on your melee damage done. You could try a max Strength Heavy Handed build and pump it with Bonus HtH Damage and what not, but it's grossly inefficient, even with the rules for Fast Shot in FO1.

Also, as someone who ate their teeth on these games, I find it's Melee that actually is "miserably underpowered" early, at least in Fallout 1, where your weapon progression is terrible. You get a gun from the start and you can easily loot a Shotgun and Hunting Rifle in either of the starting Vaults, which deal much higher damage than any Unarmed/Melee weapons, and you constantly keep improving your guns throughout the game, whilst Unarmed/Melee progression is literally "shit, shit, shit, Super Sledge/Power Fist, finished".

Fallout 2 makes it much better and I love it for that, but even then, Guns generally have a smoother progression. Arroyo can be done without fighting and an untagged Unarmed skill is enough to beat critters.

[Anonymous No.4211573]

>>4209669
>Fallout 2 makes it much better
Too bad that Restoration Project turbonerfs it to the ground.

[Anonymous No.4211585]

>>4202882
>>4202876
>skipping the temple
what??
you can get through it in like 5 minutes
just go straight and ignore the side chambers
also when you see the big pit take the bottom path around the ants

[Anonymous No.4211802]

How can you guys like a game with a part this fucked up?

[Anonymous No.4211805]

>>4211802

[Anonymous No.4211809]

>>4211805

[Anonymous No.4211814]

>>4211809

[Anonymous No.4211816]

>>4211814
>hand as cold as death
Rape is bad, boohoo.

[Anonymous No.4211820]

>>4211802
I like Rance.

[Anonymous No.4211959]

>>4211816
You can't rape the willing.

[Anonymous No.4212006]

>>4211959

[Anonymous No.4212065]

>>4211959
Only if you succeed on a speech check, otherwise it's coercion.

[Anonymous No.4212068]

Fallout 2 is my favorite H-Game.

[Anonymous No.4212069]

>>4212065
It's coercion if it's speech check.
CHA is for willing.

[Anonymous No.4212601]

>>4211573
How so?

[Anonymous No.4212615]

>>4212068
goddammit, why does that image kind of turn me on?

[Anonymous No.4212621]

>>4212615
You've been here too long.

[Anonymous No.4212805]

>>4212068
Has anybody made a mod that adds appropriate CG?

[Anonymous No.4213792]

>>4212805
If I was rich I would literally commission some smut artist to make pics of each sexual encounter in Fallout 2 and make that a mod myself.

[Anonymous No.4213862]

>>4213792
>set up a patreon
>CoCO: Corruption of Chosen Ones
>pay me a consultant's fee
>profit
There you go.

[Anonymous No.4213880]

>>4212615

[Anonymous No.4216041]

>>4202876
>Dropped at The Temple of Trials meme
Why is this a thing?

[Anonymous No.4216074]

>>4212601
Killap decided that having Super Sledges and Power Fists do comparable damage to endgame guns was a bug instead of a feature and "fixed" it.

[Anonymous No.4216179]

>>4216074
"Fixed" it how? Seriously, every time "Killap ruined melee/unarmed" gets posted, it's never explained properly.

[Anonymous No.4216225]

>>4216041
Greatest casual filter in all of video games.

[Anonymous No.4216378]

>>4216225
I thought that was Deus Ex's liberty island

[Anonymous No.4216393]

>>4216378
In Liberty Island you just have to wait until the crosshair tightens while having big explorable level, multiple possible approaches, several functional weapons, etc available.
Temple is just "dude 46% chance to hit lmao".

[Anonymous No.4216408]

>>4216393
there's like ten ants (and possibly a few scorpions, but I don't remember clearly). apart from being easy as fuck to beat, the exp you get is also a nice start for the main story.

as for deus ex, I guess most of the people who dropped it were people who expected a casual shooter, not a stealth game that might turn into a casual shooter later on depending on how you develop your character.

[Anonymous No.4216427]

>>4216408
It's not about how hard they're to beat. It's about a linear corridor with no freedom where you just inefficiently swing at ants (who can't hit you either) with a weapon you most likely never use again until they fucking die already.

[Anonymous No.4216438]

>>4216427
it takes like ten minutes tops. if missing and waiting for others' turns bores you, you're obviously playing the wrong game anyway.

[Anonymous No.4216446]

>>4216438
There's a big difference missing 95% chance to hit very rarely while doing some relevant side quests and missing less than 50% repeatedly while you're stuck in a bland tutorial area for the sake of exp.