/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3643053]

Is Quack single player any fun? better than Doom?

Also, what version should i get, steam?

[Anonymous No.3643054]

Dammit, ffs. Remake this thread and spell the name of the game right.

[Anonymous No.3643064]

>>3643053
Quake Doom and Duke3d were the coolest shit ever

[Anonymous No.3643073]

I like Doom's singleplayer better, but Quake's really good as well.

[Anonymous No.3643078]

>>3643054
But you did spell it right, anon.

[Anonymous No.3643091]

>>3643053
No. They initially planned it to be sorta RPG, had messy rehaul which is largely responsible for Romero's departure. The main problem is that game only feels right when you have quad damage, all enemies feel like bulletsponges, possibly to artificially prolongate the game. Malice mod for Q1 is very good, though rough sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3643131]

>>3643091
Move to a fully realized 3d renderer required too much processing to have enemies in the counts of Doom. So to balance the performance monster health was increased.

[Anonymous No.3643134]

>>3643053
>better than Doom?
You just had to do it didn't you? Needed your 300 replies of pure shit cuz u a lonely ass bitch rite?

[Anonymous No.3643156]

>>3643131
Yeah it's understandable, but coupled with weird weapond design it gives an impression of horribly underpowered arsenal compared to Doom. I always felt that shotguns in Quake actually shoot with compressed air only, due to the sound and pathetic damage.

[Anonymous No.3643161]

>>3643053
I don't remember if Steam's version comes with music, but you should get the music because it is that good. In any case once you have Quake installed you should get Quakespasm, which is a modern port that is true to the game's original style, fixes a lot of bugs, removes old limits and has none of that flashy shit kiddies are so fond of these days (like Darkplaces or that Epsilon shit).

Singleplayer is great, especially on Hard and Nightmare. Doom and Quake SP are very different beasts though. You can't really play Quake like you play Doom. Monsters are more resilient and work better as a team than in Doom. Maps are also usually more cramped but take full advantage of the full 3D world.

>>3643091
Enemies will feel like bulletsponges if you use the wrong weapon against them. Enemies go down quickly if you use weapon combos. Weapon switching is instantaneous, so try it before whining.

[Anonymous No.3643179]

>>3643161
>Enemies go down quickly if you use weapon combos.
There is no way to kill ogre with less than 2 rockets, 4 point blank shots from double barelled shotgun or 10% of your nailgun ammo, without quad. It simply feels wrong.

[Anonymous No.3643181]

>>3643156
It's also partially weapon design too, low polygon and texture limits don't give enough animation detail to suggest recoil. My personal favourite though is the grenade launcher, it feels extremely nice to see corpses explode to bits.

[Anonymous No.3643183]

>>3643064
>stuck in muh 90s

[Anonymous No.3643186]

>>3643053
It's fun through the pure sake of great level design and gameplay, which is all you need for a great single player game.

[Anonymous No.3643187]

>>3643179
How does that feel wrong? That enemy would be no challenge if it had less health. You can kill ogres quite fast if you empty a dozen nails in them with the SNG and then immediately fire a grenade. It's much faster than 4 SSG shots in fact, probably faster than 2 rockets since the RL is slow between shots.

[Anonymous No.3643191]

>>3643183
You're in the wrong board m8

[Anonymous No.3643193]

>>3643131
The enemies in Quake are faster and more dangerous than the ones in Doom anyway.

Quake's enemies take more shots to kill, but Quake's weapons also have a faster rate of fire than Doom's. It's a kind of balance that emphasizes aggression and consistency in player positioning over hit and run "jousting" and peekaboo shooting like in Doom. I guess you could play Quake like a pussy and run away from an ogre every time you fire off a shot out of fear of having a grenade shoved down your throat, but don't complain that you're taking too long to kill him.

[Anonymous No.3643203]

>>3643187
Anon, ogre is just a mob you encounter on 2nd level. Having such mess to effectively eliminate completely regular mook is wrong. If there were additional textures at least like in Q2 to indicate that monster is taking damage, but you just shoot compressed air and nerf gun darts at him and then he falls suddenly.

[Anonymous No.3643214]

>>3643203
It may be a mob you encounter on the second level but the game quickly tells you the ogres are not to be fucked with in comparison to grunts, knights, enforcers and scrags which are weak and die in a few shots. Are you going to tell me that fiends should have less health too since they also are introduced in the second level? Doom didn't have additional textures either for the walking doors that are barons of hell.

[Anonymous No.3643225]

>>3643214
Grunts and enforcers only appear in 3 levels. Knights and Scrags still manage to take a point blank shotgun shot before dying. Fiends are introduced in sorta boss style like barons were, so it's understandable why they are bullet sponges.

[Anonymous No.3643247]

>>3643091
>>3643156
>muh super shotgun
The game places a much higher emphasis on grenade/rocket launcher use, you aren't mean to be blazing through enemies with the double barreled shotgun, which is more of an emergency weapon this time. With some of the most common enemies dropping rockets, there's really no excuse here.

[Anonymous No.3643263]

Guys.

Stop misusing that word.

[Anonymous No.3643274]

>>3643247
You won't be blazing through ogres with RL either, it takes minimum 2 rockets to kill them.

[Anonymous No.3643275]

>>3643274
From the rocket launcher renown among shooters as having some of the fastest rockets with an excellent rate of fire to boot? Yeah, I don't think it will take long. Unless you plan to have everything in the game to die under one second.

[Anonymous No.3643660]

>>3643053
Quake 1 has a criminally underrated singleplayer. It lacks Doom 2's enemy variety but it makes up for it with consistently great level design.

But really the best thing about Quake 1 is that is has no modern reboot, so unlike Doom you can actually talk about it without being drowned out by Zenimax shills.

[Anonymous No.3643678]

>>3643053
>Steam
Fuck off, DRM globalist shill.

[Anonymous No.3643691]

>>3643053
Currently on my second playthrough, and yes.

Yes, anon. It is amazing.

[Anonymous No.3643775]

>>3643660
This. Quake might not be rapid fire action like Doom was, but exploring is awesome. I love episodes 2 and 4 with the medieval castle and lovecraftian themes to them.

[Anonymous No.3644597]

>>3643053
>Also, what version should i get, steam?
No. If you refuse to either track down a CD or pirate then the GOG version is the only way. Steam do not give the slightest fuck about giving you the full package. No music. Don't do it.

[Anonymous No.3644605]

>>3643053
quake 1's single player campaign is a mixed bag. some of the maps are genius and others are totally cheap and phoned in.

I'd say the good maps are so good they make up for the lame ones though. Make sure to check out quaddicted after you get it and start playing through user maps. I'm kind of jealous of you, diving virgin into 20+ years of community content. Get ready for a helluva ride.

[Anonymous No.3644609]

>>3644605
>others are totally cheap and phoned in

Which maps would those be?

[Anonymous No.3644616]

>>3644609
other than e1m1, i didn't really like the other military bases. also most of episode 4 felt like it was badly lit, lost proportion and just felt rushed. They're still competent levels, don't get me wrong, I just didn't like how they looked or have much fun in them.

just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.3644632]

>>3644616
I didn't like E2M1 and E4M1 either but I thought E3M1 was excellent. And I wouldn't call E2M1 or E4M1 cheap or phoned in at all, I just don't find them very fun to play compared to the rest of the levels.

Episode 4 has its own unique style that's polarizing, and I didn't really enjoy it at first but it's something that I've grown to appreciate. I don't consider it badly lit, I think it's just meant to be dark and use that darkness both as part of its aesthetic style and as a gameplay obstacle just like some parts of Doom did. I guess it is kinda jarring that you go through three episodes of the game never really encountering dark areas then suddenly episode 4 uses it heavily as part of its motif. I never really liked Sandy Petersen's work in the Doom games but I think his work in Quake is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.3644659]

>>3643053
It was a totally different atmosphere. You don't think music can have such an effect on a game, but NIN made it creepy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.3644839]

>>3643274
and you get two rockets from them, so what's the problem

really if that didn't clue you in to use rockets more often I don't know what to tell you

[Anonymous No.3644864]

>>3644839
the problem is, in every shooter including doom your mainstay are projectile weapons while rocket launcher is situational weapon to overcome overwhelming odds. In quake it's mainstay weapon, but rooms are small, enemies tend to pop up in front of you and you end up always being one click from blowing up yourself. Not fun and frustrating.

[Anonymous No.3644865]

>>3643078

kek.

[Anonymous No.3644978]

>>3644864
in quake weapon switching is instant so if youre not a retard it's not a big deal

again an idiot doom baby mistakes his lack of skill as bad game design

get good you fucking cocksucking casual faggot

or at least stick to your trash reddit general circle jerk please

[Anonymous No.3645030]

>>3644978
you know, it is good thing for humanity that you won't leave offspring
world have enough of autistic spergs already

[Anonymous No.3645034]

>>3644978
>get good you fucking cocksucking casual faggot
Impossible. The only thing Doom babbies can handle are slow lumbering imps and a shotgun in hand at all times. This is basically the pinnacle of gaming to them.

[Anonymous No.3645081]

>>3644978
>>3645034
>doom babies
Love how /vr/ generalizes shit with one shitty gamer. Keep your fucking retarded nugamer logic on /v/, please.

[Anonymous No.3645103]

>>3645081
but that 'one shitty gamer' is exactly what you are.

a faggot literally blaming the game that he blows himself up deserves to be shit on, and is pretty much the exact faggot constantly seen in the shithole babby general. just shut the fuck up and go back to crying about hitscanners already you retard. even /v/ is better for fps than /vr/, I swear to god.

[Anonymous No.3645110]

>>3643053

I don't know about better. It's different, but probably about the same amount of fun.

I grew up with Quake 1, and even to this day, I still go back and play it. It's a lot of fun, in my opinion, with pretty varied level design, some cool monsters, interesting power-ups, and so on.

I would definitely recommend it. Especially since it's on sale on Steam right now for $5 USD.

[Anonymous No.3645450]

>>3643078
>killing ducks by feeding them bread and making their stomachs explode

That is some sick shit.
What if a kid was exposed to this violent garbage?

[Anonymous No.3645470]

>>3643179
>There is no way to kill ogre with less than 2 rockets, 4 point blank shots from double barelled shotgun or 10% of your nailgun ammo, without quad. It simply feels wrong.

So it requires around the same shots as a Cacodemon or Revenant (from the top of my head) in Doom?

[Anonymous No.3645516]

>>3645470
it's pretty funny when doom babbies complain about 'bullet sponge enemies' when it used to take an hour in OG doom to kill cacodemons with the regular shotgun/chaingun. not to mention the damn thing took an hour to reload and came with that disgusting input laggy feel. shooting all those useless imps, pinkies and what have you with it felt so goddamn boring.

doom is fast in player movement alone. in every other aspect it's slow. enemies are slow, their projectiles are slow, their reaction speed is slow. You're literally not in any danger in any mode apart from nightmare for the original iwads. it's a mechanically boring af vapid experience which caters to the casual retards that engulf this shithole.

[Anonymous No.3645573]

Will there ever be QUAKE V/5?
Any recommended mods for Quake I & II?

[Anonymous No.3645616]

Quake is better than Doom.

[Anonymous No.3645654]

Quake is no good on anything higher than normal difficulty level. You get the feeling they're just throwing in enemies for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.3645667]

Anyone here play Hexen?

I loved that game.

[Anonymous No.3645720]

Where do you download games such as quack and doom?

[Anonymous No.3645817]

>>3645720

I don't know about Quake (other than on Steam) but you can find GZDoom online for free, and find the Doom.WAD and Doom2.WAD files for free as well, allowing you to play them vanilla. Then you can get things like Russian Overkill, Brutal Doom, and so on. There are plenty of tutorials for how to do it.

Here's GZDoom's download page:
https://gzdoom.drdteam.org/page.php?page=download

You'll need Doom.WAD to play the original Doom and Doom2.WAD to play Doom 2. Think of GZDoom as kind of an emulator, and the WAD files as roms. You can also get Heretic.WAD, Hexen.WAD, and Strife.WAD.

Once you get that all up and running, you may want to play other WADs to change gameplay. Levels, weapons, monsters, total conversions, there are WADs for all of that. I especially recommend BrutalDoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSzYliSASKc

[Anonymous No.3645849]

>>3645817

Where can you get a free doom wad?

[Anonymous No.3645857]

>>3645720
Theisozone

[Anonymous No.3645886]

>>3645849

I've got Doom.WAD and Doom2.WAD. I can put them in a .rar file for you and upload them to some file dump if you like.

[Anonymous No.3645889]

>>3645886

Here. I used Newgrounds File Dump because it was the closest to hand.

http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/7646c85a8cc6db3df0ca80552f5840b1

It's just Doom.WAD and Doom2.WAD. I don't have Heretic, Hexen, or Strife ever since my PC crashed a year ago.

[Anonymous No.3646076]

>>3645849

Also here:

>>3642329

[Anonymous No.3646148]

>>3644864
Seriously if you think this and aren't trolling you're fucking garbage. They made weapon swap instant for a reason

[Anonymous No.3646249]

>>3643078

This sounds like something Wisdom Tree would have released.

>Quack on N64
>Gather the keys while you feed the Quacks
>Keep them away from you for they will slow you down.
>Quack Quack get the key! for Jesus!

[Anonymous No.3646259]

>>3643678
Damn dude. He was just asking.

[Anonymous No.3646608]

>>3643161
Seconding this about the music (which is really good). The Steam version doesn't include the soundtrack because the license with Trent Reznor was never renewed. However there is a simple mod or pack or something in the Steam Quake forum that re adds the soundtrack, just get that. It works perfectly.

[Anonymous No.3647051]

rebind the weapon hotkeys (impulse 1 = axe, impulse 2= shotgun, etc) to things that are easier to reach than the number keys so you can really take advantage of the instant weapon switch time

if you're switching weapons with the mouse wheel you're doing it wrong

[Anonymous No.3648412]

>>3643053
Steam version has not music. I put the ultimate quake patch on it, and that improved pretty much everything. But it does change the engine I believe.

[Anonymous No.3649247]

>>3643161
>Enemies will feel like bulletsponges if you use the wrong weapon against them. Enemies go down quickly if you use weapon combos. Weapon switching is instantaneous, so try it before whining.
this. super nail gun removes most enemies very fast and its ammo is everywhere, don't use rockets on fiends though as they have damage resistance to rockets

[Anonymous No.3649250]

>>3645654
i beat all my maps on nightmare, it feels very fair, that is the same system most id software early games had, more enemies for higher levels, how the fuck else were they going to make difficulties matter?

[Anonymous No.3649309]

>>3649247
>don't use rockets on fiends though as they have damage resistance to rockets

Shamblers are the ones with damage resistance to explosives. Fiends are just as vulnerable to explosives as any other enemy.

[Anonymous No.3649358]

also the monsters in quake are easier to bait than the ones in doom because their animations are longer

[Anonymous No.3649483]

Why not play Return to Castle Wolfenstein instead? It uses the same engine as Quake but doesn't have damage sponge enemies.

[Anonymous No.3649571]

>>3646608
Worth trying the game without music.

[Anonymous No.3650519]

>>3649309
you make me look bad

[Anonymous No.3650528]

>>3643053
Doom ii>quake ii>doom>quake>heretic

[Anonymous No.3650617]

>>3650528
*fingers ear hole*

[Anonymous No.3650802]

>>3650528

[Anonymous No.3650928]

>>3650528

[Anonymous No.3650979]

>>3650528

[Anonymous No.3651530]

>>3643053
It's fun, better if you get good and learn to go sonic speeds. It's not as good as Doom for SP though. Worse if you're ammo conservative because the weaker weapons are significantly weaker than using a rocket/grenade to aoe a group and at a certain point they start giving you enough rockets to kind of use them more liberally and sort expect you to learn to do so rather than rely on the conventional weapons which will strain that ammo much more greatly. For example an enforcer drops 5 cells when they die. Only thing that uses cells is lightning gun which uses 20 cells per second at 30 damage per and they have 80 health. So, you really need to tap it spot on to maintain ammo stocks that way. If you use a shotgun you get nothing and have to rely strictly on pickups. Doom had rather low health for grunt enemies and threw ammo at you rather readily for the most part aside from what was hidden and allowed for saving big weapons for big enemies.

No, download it. Run quack using a modern sourceport like ezquake or darkplaces.

[Anonymous No.3651804]

>>3651530
You have ammo problems in quake? Top kek. I will really never understand how u kids manage to be so bad at these games.