/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.3553345]

itt: games that don't deserve the hate

[Anonymous No.3553354]

>>3553345
you mean the retro games ecelebs shit on because they are casual nitpicking faggots desperate for attention?

[Anonymous No.3553359]

>>3553354
and everyone listens to them taking their opinions as facts because they are mindless retards?

[Anonymous No.3553362]

>>3553359
And they need it because they literally don't know how to spend their time, instead of playing videogames?

[Anonymous No.3553371]

>>3553362
so they shitpost all day about it. creating the same threads over and over. jk this is a good thread.

[Anonymous No.3553378]

>>3553371
I also love this game

[Anonymous No.3553403]

>>3553345
I feel like this one is worse off than the others in this thread, since most of those games already had a dedicated fanbase before getting the e-celeb treatment or still have fans that liked it from when it came out.

Meanwhile I'm pretty sure 90% of the people today who know Milon's Secret Castle even exists are people who saw the AVGN episode

[Anonymous No.3553413]

>>3553403
I actually had Milons secret castle as a kid and enjoyed it then. I didn't even know people hated it until the avgn episode

[Anonymous No.3553419]

>>3553371
You seem upset

[Anonymous No.3553520]

>>3553362
People hate FF9 now?

>>3553345
I love you OP.

[Anonymous No.3553578]

>>3553354
Wait which eceleb shit on mega man legends?

[Anonymous No.3553580]

I see a lot of these are sequels to a much more well-known series.

[Anonymous No.3553590]

>>3553345
ITT: Why it's important to form your own opinions.

[Anonymous No.3553595]

>>3553578
AVGN

[Anonymous No.3553603]

>>3553520
>People hate FF9 now?
Yea if anything people seem to hold FFIX in such a bizarre high regard compared to other FFs it should really be in "games that deserve hate" although general mainstream casuals opinion on it is "meh"

[Anonymous No.3553606]

>>3553603
FFIX is just highly divisive. People either seem to love or hate it.

[Anonymous No.3553618]

>>3553606
I'd say that's way more true of VII and VIII, VIII has always had a bad rep that people just regurgitate because they heard someone else say it and VII has gotten backlash from it's popularity and how out of control it's legacy got with all the Compilation bullshit and second wave cosplay fans. Casual gamers seem to forget about IX and so I guess that's why some RPG fans like to hang their hat on it because they'll get no contentious disagreements to challenge them

[Anonymous No.3553619]

>>3553595
>lol milon's shitty asshole

[Anonymous No.3553629]

>>3553618
I would say it's true for all three for different reasons, but they all get similar treatment of some people saying they're 10/10 and others saying they're pure trash.

With FF especially it seems every new game gets that treatment. Even when it was new, VII had people saying it was the greatest thing ever and others saying it was mainstream garbage that shit all over VI.

[Anonymous No.3553632]

>>3553619
It's no surprise though that he doesn't like MML. He always hate tank controls.

[Anonymous No.3553648]

>>3553632
Tank controls really aren't good though.

[Anonymous No.3553659]

>>3553632
>>3553648
>>3553619
>>3553595
Until I came to /vr/ I thought it was generally the opinion that those were pretty shitty games.

[Anonymous No.3553664]

>>3553648
Never said it's good.

>>3553659
I personally love MML but I can understand if people dislike it.

[Anonymous No.3553667]

>>3553606
>>3553618
I see all three PSX FF games as nothing short of good, with their pros and cons. VIII suffers from weak characters and a convoluted, degrading plot, while IX suffers from the Gurren Lagann disease (cram in references to the point where the potentially perfect aspects of the game end up developing borderline glaring flaws).

[Anonymous No.3553679]

>>3553618
>VIII has always had a bad rep that people just regurgitate because they heard someone else say it and VII has gotten backlash from it's popularity

Neither of those things is completely true. FFVII had a ton of backlash when it first came out exactly the same as VIII. I think with IX people just get less vocal about it than with the others. The lovers of it recognize it's got some flaws and the haters usually at least concede it does a good job of being "Final Fantasy" even if they don't care for it. VII and VIII get people a lot more worked up.


>>3553667
>I see all three PSX FF games as nothing short of good, with their pros and cons.

I agree with this. I like all three to some degree but don't think any of them are close to perfect. I had the opposite problem with VII of being way too hyped for it before it came out so my initial reaction was disappointment, but over the years I came to like it better for what it is rather than what I hoped it was going to be.

[Anonymous No.3553687]

>>3553659
I admit they have controls that take some effort to get used to, but once you do it's great fun. And goddamn the story about Trigger's origin is compelling as hell.

[Anonymous No.3553792]

What are some games that deserve shit but only receive praise?

Mortal Kombat is my contribution.

[Anonymous No.3553794]

>>3553792
Mortal Kombat is great.

[Anonymous No.3553798]

>>3553413
Same with Fester's Quest.

I love it and it only starts to get brutally hard when you reach the moon.

[Anonymous No.3553821]

On its own, it's a good game. But as Sonic 4 / Sonic 3D it's a huge disappointment.

[Anonymous No.3553830]

>>3553345
that game is a turd

[Anonymous No.3553838]

>>3553821
Speaking of underappreciated Sonic games

[Anonymous No.3553840]

>>3553830
Lisa needs braces.

[Anonymous No.3553967]

>>3553345
Milon's Secret Castle is great. The sequel Do Re Mi Fantasy is a completely different game, but is also fun.

Milon's SC is a game I had as a kid though, and I'm a sucker for waltzes, so I'm kinda weak to it.

As to >>3553354
I want to like this game, but tank controls really are cancer. I just can't. I *want* to like that game, I really do, but that prevents me from it.

[Anonymous No.3553970]

>>3553632
>>3553648
To be fair he doesn't really shit on the actual game at all, he mostly just complains about how there's a lot of story and talking getting into the way of just letting you play and figure things out, which most modern games do.

[Anonymous No.3553976]

>>3553967
The controls are fine. It was developed before the analog controller came out. If that really prevents you from enjoying the game you have shit taste.

[Anonymous No.3553979]

>>3553970
but there is not a lot of dialogue. There is a little dialogue at the beginning and it takes 5 mins to skip through WOW.

[Anonymous No.3553982]

>>3553798
>Same with Fester's Quest.

I had this one as a kid and I ragequit (and I was the only kid I knew who beat "deadly towers"). The weapon was unreliable and when you died in festers quest it always felt like you were cheated.

I wanted to like the game but I never got through the UFO.

[Anonymous No.3553989]

>>3553354
>>3553359
>>3553362
>These
>Hated
By who?

[Anonymous No.3553993]

>>3553989
Is this your first day on vr or something?

[Anonymous No.3553997]

>>3553993
No
but I believe you are stupid for believing /vr/ all have the same opinion or that these doesn't get their own share of love

[Anonymous No.3554005]

>>3553371
Quest 64 is underrated in the sense that many Nintendo fans couldn't into RPGs and wrote it off after 5 minutes, but then it got overrated by people trying to say it's actually great given the chance, when in reality it's just completely mediocre

[Anonymous No.3554006]

>>3553997
I didn't imply that anywhere. But anyone who's been here for more than a couple of days will be aware that they all get a lot of hate from some people around here. CC especially is maybe only next to FFVIII as people's favorite rpg to complain about.

[Anonymous No.3554007]

The weight system is annoying as fuck, though.

[Anonymous No.3554021]

>>3553976
>if bad controls due to good controls not existing yet makes it bad to you then you have shit taste
Ah yes, good controls didn't exist yet, so the game is great. What a great argument! Why don't you go play some MML then while the men talk?

[Anonymous No.3554045]

>>3554005

"Nintendo fans" were thirsty for RPGs since they came from the SNES, but Quest 64 just wasn't up to standards. It's not a terrible game though, it's very playable and while graphically it's not outstanding, it looks good enough, has an impressive draw distance and the 3D is good enough, the enemy animations work pretty well, for 98 or whatever year this came out, it was good.
The problem is that the game feels unfinished, there is barely any characters, NPCs or otherwise, the entire journey you're alone, there's nobody joining your party. Towns feel very lifeless because of this. It's like a great base game, but they did nothing with it.
It's known the game was half assed because there's at least one of the NPCs who was supposed to join the party, but in the final game she's just an NPC with some short lines of dialogue.

As a game experience, Quest 64 isn't bad, if what you expect is a 3D RPG, then it does it work, you go around, fight enemies, level up, the element system is actually interesting (although I've heard it's broken, haven't played it enough to confirm).
It has a fair challenge and the first boss was pretty cool, haven't played much further than that.
But as a whole game, I can see why it wasn't well received. Also, that NA cover art is fucking hideous, it's like THQ was trying to sabotage it because they knew it wouldn't sell. Although I remember hype surrounding it.

The same company who did Quest 64 made another game that is actually much better, but was never localized, Zool.

[Anonymous No.3554063]

>>3554021
I think he's talking about the way people's expectations for control schemes changed once the dual analog became standard. Some people who didn't play Tomb Raider with the original controller have difficulty going back to it.

[Anonymous No.3554109]

>>3553838
Fuck off with that, plenty of the 8-bit Sonics are under appreciated but that game is poop from a butt

[Anonymous No.3554148]

>>3554063
This. Are people today really such pathetic babbys that they can't use a dpad? Sure TR & MML could benefit from analog but that doesn't detract from the experience of the game. People just got used to the controls and enjoyed the game plus it has strafing.

[Anonymous No.3554462]

>>3554021
>I wasn't alive back then and don't know how to comprehend English.
The post.

[Anonymous No.3554482]

>>3553413
I also had it. Had no clue what to do. really pissed me off

[Anonymous No.3554498]

>>3553798
I like Fester's Quest, I played it a lot as a kid, but looking back at it, it has some glaring flaws.

You get used to a lot of the quirks and the weapon behaviors, but it's overall very rough around the edges (such as the glitchy rendering around the edge of the screen). You only have two bars of health, which is workable in the beginning, but you kind of have to get that upgraded, and those upgrades aren't really obvious (having to just know that they're in the FPS labyrinths and then know WHERE in them they are), there also really isn't a continue option if I remember right, you die, you go all the way back, a password system would have been nice.

Also, the graphics and music of the game often feels a bit too cool and serious for what's a tie-in game for The Addam's Family, and I've always wondered if Sunsoft recycled a cancelled and unfinished game to make it, it doesn't quite fit the style or tone of the movies, cartoons or TV show.

[Anonymous No.3554513]

>>3554148
I think it's more that older players started out with weird and or bad controls for games and then eventually got to the good ones as time went (having to settle for the bad ones because there was either that or nothing in many cases) while today, there's established standards for what's good controls for first and third person gamepad controls, so people who didn't grow up with the bad and weird controls don't have the frame of reference or tolerance, because modern good controls are all they've ever known.

A lot of PC games had the foresight of letting you configure your own controls, which I think made them a bit more future proof.

[Anonymous No.3554523]

>>3554007
I think most of the hate for Hydlide comes from the halfassed NES port (which is more known in the west than the original computer game or Disk System port).

[Anonymous No.3554561]

>>3553667
>while IX suffers from the Gurren Lagann disease (cram in references to the point where the potentially perfect aspects of the game end up developing borderline glaring flaws).
Can you elaborate? I haven't played any FF other than IX and have watched only few mecha titles before TTGL.
TTGL is fucking fantastic while FFIX is ruined by frequent encounters, really slow battles and an overpower system which you can't use when actually needed. How exactly the references are to blame for this?

[Anonymous No.3554580]

>>3553371
ProJared shit all over this game

[Anonymous No.3554829]

>>3553345
What is the proper pronounciation of Milon?

[Anonymous No.3554839]

>>3554829
meronu

[Anonymous No.3554843]

>>3554580

ProJared is a confessed cuck.

[Anonymous No.3554851]

Its reputation comes from secondhand gamer folk wisdom and people not reading the manual.

[Anonymous No.3554864]

>>3553378
The game was kinda shit though in a lot of ways.
Max out earth. GG. All other elements were fucking useless.
From what another anon said in a thread long forgotten, the game was probably incomplete.
A shame too. There was a lot going for Quest 64. If only it had been done better.

[Anonymous No.3554876]

>>3553362

This is the one that pisses me off the most. I can't fucking believe how many people have come crawling out of the woodwork to say how shit it is. FF9 is easily the best game in the fucking franchise by a country fucking mile.

[Anonymous No.3554906]

>>3554007
Hydlide and Super Hydlide are both good. Virtual Hydlide is not, however.

[Anonymous No.3554928]

>ITT: Gary "FuccBoy" Butterfield is wrong
I approve

[Anonymous No.3554987]

>>3554007
>>3554523
I think Super Hydlide (and maybe the rest of this franchise) isn't for everyone. If you aren't used to retro PC JRPGs and their systems, this game will not please you.

Btw, how good are the MSX games? Is Space Memories a good choice if I already played Super Hydlide?

[Anonymous No.3555393]

>>3553345
It's very fine.

[Anonymous No.3555403]

Played the shit out of it but dont think I ever made it past the dam explosives as a kid.

[Anonymous No.3555415]

>>3553838
It's way too much hated for a game that can be completed in 10 minutes.

[Anonymous No.3555454]

>>3553821
On it's own it's still a painfully slow and repetitive game, albeit one with pretty amazing graphics and sound by the standards of it's time.

[Anonymous No.3555482]

I still have yet to see another game receive such strong backlash for such asinine, trite reasoning.

Really, those non-issue complaints give me the impression that barely anyone has actually played it.

[Anonymous No.3555485]

>>3555482
Doesn't 7 get similar complaints? People seem to hate them both just because they aren't 8-bit and have larger character sprites

[Anonymous No.3555528]

>>3555482
I find the localized version unplayale due to the godawful voice acting.

I truly adore the japanese versions, it has problems but most issues aren't truly bad.

It's a solid game, period.

What puzzles me the most is the amount of praise X4 is getting despite being a mediocre X game and much more sloppy in execution than 8. Zerotard goggles probably.

[Anonymous No.3555552]

>>3553659
It was, but then people like AVGN came along and showed them that "normalfags" have the same opinion they do, and that just can't be. Time to start celebrating shitty games that they've hated for years as "underrated gems" or such.

[Anonymous No.3555595]

>>3554851
It's reputation as the worst is certainly undeserved, but it's hardly good.

[Anonymous No.3555609]

>>3555552
There's definitely a lot of this going on.

Dragon's Lair for the NES is objectively bad, AVGN reaffirming this changes nothing.

[Anonymous No.3555695]

>>3553354
Why can no one here just have an opinion about something without sperging and being so damn radical about everything

[Anonymous No.3555814]

>>3554851
Its reputation comes from being a fucking disaster of a project, and being the final straw in a long line of shit that customers considered themselves deceived by.

[Anonymous No.3555820]

>>3553659
>>3555552
>>3555609
MML is not a bad game though. That was not "generally the opinion" except among retards.

[Anonymous No.3555821]

>>3555695
Because everyone needs to feel special and that their weirdo opinion is the secret true one. They're mostly children who don't understand what opinions are in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3555830]

>>3555820
When you say retards it makes it hard to take the rest of your post seriously. I'm not saying it's bad, I've never played it. I'm just saying that was my impression of it.

But also it came out when I was in college and playing different sort of stuff. So for better or worse it got lumped in with Spyro and the like.

[Anonymous No.3555927]

>>3554580
>listening to ecelebs
>watching ecelebs

[Anonymous No.3556074]

>>3555528
Are you kidding The voice acting is the best part

[Anonymous No.3556079]

>>3556074
Not him, but you can't be saying that seriously. It's got some of the worst voice acting on the playstation. And that's a pretty amazing feat. That girl's voice in battle alone made it almost unplayable for me.

[Anonymous No.3556094]

>>3555830
>college
So you gave up forming your own opinions a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.3556098]

>>3556079
It's very common to enjoy bad voice acting. That's why B movies are popular. Bad voice acting is funny especially Docta Waawee.

[Anonymous No.3556104]

>>3555814
It was more of a financial blunder if anything, it was just one of many really bad business decisions by Atari, it wasn't even the straw that broke the camel's back.

It's like a 5/10 game brought down to 4/10 for being rushed and buggy.

[Anonymous No.3556107]

>>3556094
Well I've never been a fan of any of the Mega Man games which is mostly why I didn't bother playing it. I did try Spyro and it wasn't my cup of tea.

But like I said, I don't actually have an opinion on the game as I'd never played it. It could actually be great, I don't know. It was just my impression from the people I knew was that they weren't great, but I know it gets some love around here. That's really all I was saying.

[Anonymous No.3556117]

>>3556107
Just go download the bin cue already. Stop being a sheep.

[Anonymous No.3556139]

>>3556117
Honestly even if it was installed right now and ready to play I probably wouldn't start it. I already have too many other games I want to play when I have the time, I'm fine not experiencing that one.

[Anonymous No.3556428]

>>3553354
It was news to me that this game was considered crap. Actually, the first time I heard it was checking on AVGN because someone told me his videos were funny(they weren't really, though it was interesting that he plays old games).

Used to play this with my cousin and I had a blast with it

[Anonymous No.3556652]

Not as good as the other 2, but still had redeeming values. It just seems rushed tbqh

[Anonymous No.3556709]

>>3554498
Early 2D labyrinths aren't that bad. Just keep to the left and you'll never get lost.

I love the music in the game. It's a great example of badass chiptune.

The bosses are bullet sponges though. And that gets annoying when you need to use limited ammo.

[Anonymous No.3556856]

>>3554148
It's actually not about the lack of analog that makes MML bad. I was simply saying tank controls are bad and ruin it for me.

[Anonymous No.3556863]

>>3556652
I want to enjoy this game but christ is it hard. I might have to crack open a 6 pack and tackle this beast soon though. Really enjoy 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.3556912]

>>3553403

I owned a copy when I was a kid. Took a lot of trial and error to figure out how to progress, but was satisfying as fuck when I beat it.

[Anonymous No.3556959]

>>3553362
I skipped this one thinking it would be bad, like a downward trend from 7 through 8. I was so fucking wrong FF9 is a jewel.

[Anonymous No.3556976]

>people shitting on MML in this thread

what a fucking world. this board really is pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.3556981]

>>3556856

Counterpoint: tank controls aren't bad, they take about 15 minutes to get completely adjusted to, and the game even has an easy-aim lockon feature to make the more action-based parts more manageable.

[Anonymous No.3557002]

>>3556981
No listen my hero AVGN says its bad so its bad ok you fucking diarrhea donkey turd on my ass?

What a shitload of fuck that game is!

[Anonymous No.3557027]

>STOP SHARING SIMILAR OPINIONS THAT AREN'T MINE!

[Anonymous No.3557032]

>>3557027

>STOP CALLING ME OUT ON MY E-CELEB PARROTING! I DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY GAMES AND FORM MY OWN OPINIONS!

[Anonymous No.3557036]

>>3553821
I like it better than Sonic 1-3 :p

[Anonymous No.3557091]

>>3554876
Anon, you put the "6" upside down in ff6. No problem tho I just fixed it for you.

Np tho mistakes happen.

[Anonymous No.3557168]

>>3556981
Okay, I'm glad your brain has enough autism to deal with the most cancerous of controls. Congratufuckinglations.

[Anonymous No.3557172]

>>3557168

>everybody who can handle tank controls is autistic!

[Anonymous No.3557347]

>>3556079
By that logic, Resident Evil should also be vilified, and yet again, it's 'so bad it's hilariously good' (voice) acting is considered one of it's strongest points for people.

[Anonymous No.3557545]

>itt: games I only like because an e-celeb made a video shitting on it

[Anonymous No.3557554]

>>3557545
nuh-uh

[Anonymous No.3557628]

>>3554580
>>3553371


Not a fan of his, but the points he brings up are plausible. Tedious and boresome game imho with some nice mechanics, but that is just me. Would be shit if all liked the same game, and hey at least you can get it cheap now.

[Anonymous No.3557660]

>>3556709
Yeah, Sunsoft made the best chiptunes.

[Anonymous No.3557661]

>>3556981
>and the game even has an easy-aim lockon feature to make the more action-based parts more manageable
Here's an idea: what if a game had good free aiming so you didn't have to rely on an automated crutch (basically a cheatcode) for the game to be playable, and so aiming takes a modicum of skill.

[Anonymous No.3557705]

>>3557545
e-celebs are just celebs now. he's made a theatrical released movie. he's the arino of video games, I'm sure you love that jap fuck for playing Milon and not hating it.

[Anonymous No.3558280]

>>3553345
A friend of mine loved that game as a kid and now.

[Anonymous No.3558667]

>>3553345
Milon's Secret Castle?

more like MILON'S SHITTY ASSHOLE

[Anonymous No.3559768]

>>3553354
I actually prefer Megaman Legends to the main Mega Man series.
How can anybody hate these games? It's like plaaying Zelda on PS1.

[Anonymous No.3559770]

>>3553345
Also, Nightmare on Elm Street and Jaws.

[Anonymous No.3560298]

>>3557347
"It's terrible so I love it" has never made sense to me. I feel the same way about RE.

[Anonymous No.3560413]

>>3559770
Not even AVGN really hated Friday The 13th, thinking it had a lot of good things going for it despite it's flaws.

[Anonymous No.3560739]

>>3560298
Perhaps that's the wrong analogy for me to have used. The voice acting doesn't make the game good by itself, it only lends a certain charm that some people have always or learned to(perhaps excessively) love. It's also not a huge part of the game either, so most people who detest it can mute it out in some form or another(myself, I skipped it when I had RE).
There's also contesting theories/evidence as to whether RE was SUPPOSED to be campy horror(as in the vein of Night of the Living Dead and such) or serious horror(as it became later, only to loop back around into bizarro-camp), which puts the voice acting for RE into different spotlights depending.

[Anonymous No.3560783]

>>3559770
>"Destroy Jason...if you can!"
>being a camp counselor trying to stop Jason
>not being Jason trying to slaughter your way through camp counselors
I know this is a oft-used quote from a certain balding someone but literally, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? You actually don't play as Jason in this game and instead play as a camp counselor trying to stop Jason. That's the stupidest possible idea for a non-3D Friday the 13th game.

[Anonymous No.3560869]

>>3554482
>Had no clue what to do.

But that describes like 75% of NES games

[Anonymous No.3560925]

>>3560783
Cuz that wouldn't be fun.

[Anonymous No.3560974]

>>3559770
>Jaws

I loved Jaws as a kid. The first time I speared that fucking shark with the ship's prow and won I had to let out a victory cry that woke my parents and startled the dog.

[Anonymous No.3561136]

>>3560783
In the Nightmare on Elm Street NES game, you were going to play Freddy, but they changed it at the last minute.

[Anonymous No.3561486]

>>3555485
The difference between MM7 and MM8 is the latter's sprites fit on the screen -despite- their size.

[Anonymous No.3561487]

>>3560298
Why did people like Resident Evil, anyway? The graphics are messy, the acting is corny, the controls are god awful...

It's literally a 'so bad it's hilarious' meme taken way too far.

[Anonymous No.3561518]

>>3561487
I think the original games were going for a B horror movie vibe so the cheesiness was done on purpose.

[Anonymous No.3561617]

>>3561487
I guess the gameplay itself was intriguing, I don't think there really were any other game like it at the time, at least not commonly available. Movement and combat aside, it's a game where you have to weigh each encounter and consider if it's worth it for you to fight or to just try to evade past it.
Should you use some bullets now on this zombie for convenience, and risk injury, or should you save them for a time when you might really need them? Should you carry this key or item with you on the chance that you'll find the use for it soon as you go, or is it an item that comes up much later and the inventory space is much better used for an extre healing item or ammunition instead?

Then there's the setup, though presented in a schlocky B-movie way (which can be enjoyable in itself), it's a whodunnit kind of murder mystery, in a mansion full of the living dead and bioengineered weapons, you learn more about what's happening and this pharmaceutical company as you unravel secrets in the mansion, and about the people who lived and worked there, etc.

I don't think Resident Evil has the best of writing at all times, but I think the presentation is good enough to draw you in, like a cheap but not terrible pulp novel.

[Anonymous No.3561817]

>>3561486
I recently replayed MM7 and it never felt like the sprites were "too big", or that level design, or anything really suffered from it(as-in being too cramped). Its just dumb complain that most snes/genesis games get that just never makes any sense to me.

[Anonymous No.3562050]

I don't get why people hates MMX6.

[Anonymous No.3562228]

>>3562050
People like their games fun.

[Anonymous No.3562230]

>>3561817
My biggest complain about 7 is that the charged shot is utterly useless.

[Anonymous No.3562234]

>>3562230
like it should be.

[Anonymous No.3563872]

>>3553970
You're right. He never shits on the game because it isn't bad. The things he says is true though, especially MM jerking it to porn. Too bad he never made it to the part where he sees Roll naked.

[Anonymous No.3563882]

>>3559770
Funny how although LJN games were usually bad, they were still fun and beatable.

[Anonymous No.3564026]

>>3563882
Some were better than others.

True Lies is probably the best title published under LJN, very hard, but very fun.

[Anonymous No.3564764]

>>3564026
True lies is quality, but I think maximum carnage is probably the best game on the LJN label

[Anonymous No.3564784]

>>3554580
projared is the human equivalent of a harry potter erotic fanfic

[Anonymous No.3566430]

Most of people who hate some games hate them because everyone else on the internet does. The irony is, most of them never actually played games they hate.

P.S.: I'm not saying Daikatana is a great game but is the perfect example of MIH - massive internet hate-athon.

[Anonymous No.3566469]

>>3566430
The degree to which this happens with movies and games these days is astounding and frustrating. It's like people are afraid to form their own opinions and if you happen to have one that doesn't fall in with the party line people think you're a lunatic.

[Anonymous No.3566478]

>>3555403
why are people so retarded when it comes to that level?

[Anonymous No.3566529]

>>3553618
I played 8 before I heard anyone say anything about it and I still hated it. I just don't like the world or characters.

I think FFVII is okay, but I like FFIX better because it's way more refined. Unlike the previous two it actually looks good, and it plays better, too.

[Anonymous No.3566543]

>>3559770
I liked Jaws as a kid, but the game legitimately terrified me because i never knew when he would show up. I can see how it's kind of repetitive playing it now, though. I think it's one of those games you like more as a kid.

Friday the 13th I hated the rock throwing arc as a kid even but I liked the game in general. I think both games would be pretty good with more polish, but I think they're still kind of middle-of-the-road games. Certainly far from the worst on the system, though.

>>3553967
I thought DoReMi Fantasy was a lot better since it's straightforward and not as frustrating in terms of constantly getting stuck not knowing what to do, but I never figured out Milon's Secret Castle as a kid. I kept not finding things I needed to progress, and even playing it now I need a guide to get anywhere, I don't know if it's just cause I'm bad, but I felt like the game was probably made to sell guide books.

[Anonymous No.3566691]

>>3566430
I haven't played it, but the impression I get is that it's a mediocre game with a bunch of bad design decisions, bugs, then the delay and buildup that it couldn't live up to it.

And lots of wasted money, of course.

[Anonymous No.3568420]

>>3554561
I'll agree with you that TTGL is pretty good, but it hasn't a shed of originality. Everything it does is an "homage" or heavily draws inspiration from something else. This wouldn't be so bad if it was only once in a while, but literally everything is taken from something else. Of course people who aren't into mecha in general wouldn't know. Go ask /m/ about it :^).

I'm just started playing IX because apparently its good or something.

[Anonymous No.3568706]

>>3562050

you cant be serious

[Anonymous No.3569061]

>>3553345
fuck that game god damn it made 0 sense and the dragon fuck gave me nightmares :(

[Anonymous No.3570005]

Also, Duke Nukem Forever. People cry because of the linear repetitive levels etc. After more than a decade of constant delays, they expected some masterpiece, while this game doesn't try to be one. It's a thrashy parody from the beginning of the serial and it doesn't hide to be one. All that hate five years ago was just childish.

Another game that was also hated by many is Doom 3 while its expansion was receivede much better. Same old story: "Buhuhu, linear, closed space...", it's an oldschool style shooter, not a milionth wwII recyled sequel.

[Anonymous No.3570141]

>>3553371
It is my belief that anyone who remembers Quest 64 fondly did not actually beat Quest 64. That game goes from a perfectly fine JRPG with light action elements to complete shit halfway through.

[Anonymous No.3570147]

>>3570005
But none of those are retro retard. They aren't even ports or remakes.

[Anonymous No.3570814]

>>3570147
Does the regular game section contain the "games that don't deserve the hate" thread?

[Anonymous No.3570962]

>>3570005
But DNF is objectively subpar, it tries to take things from both old and new shooters, but does it very badly.

Linear levels isn't it's biggest flaw, but it's a considerable mark against it considering it's an awaited sequel to a game famed for it's open levels, which all rewarded exploration and poking about (something DNF had almost none at all of).

Doom 3 isn't a perfect game, but it's way more competent and better playing than DNF, no bullshit 2 weapon limit, any weapon you find you can take with you, no regen health, you need to either find health, or use your special weapon.
In Doom 3, I can always fall back on whatever weapon I have with me, in DNF, I can use whichever of the two weapons I'm allowed to carry, whatever is left lying around, or I can go fuck myself, I can't pick up and keep a Shrinker and then save it for an occasion I feel is fitting, like in Duke 3D, I use it now or leave it, because the Shrinker carries too little ammo to be viable for me to switch out my pistol/shotgun/ripper.
DNF would markedly improve just from removing the weapon carry limit, it won't solve all it's problems, but it'd be a good start.

After 14 years, I didn't expect it to be amazing, but I was kind of hoping it wasn't fundamentally dogshit.

[Anonymous No.3571540]

>>3561487
>Why did people like Resident Evil, anyway? The graphics are messy

Not for 1996

>the controls are god awful...

oh wait, Im talking to a retard

[Anonymous No.3571627]

>>3570814
It would if you made a thread there asshole.

[Anonymous No.3571851]

>>3571540
The controls really aren't good though. People always say "it makes the game more intense because it's harder" but it's such a cop-out excuse to me.

Like, a racing game where you could only turn while accelerating would be harder, but that doesn't make it a good thing.

You can have good controls and challenge at the same time. I'm glad tank controls are a thing of the past.

[Anonymous No.3571854]

>>3571851
Oh yeah, added disclaimer, I'm not the guy not getting why Resident Evil is good, I just dislike forced bad controls.

[Anonymous No.3572108]

>>3571627
Don't spam the thread with your useless comments.

[Anonymous No.3572127]

>>3572108
>I'm upset cuz a random Internet person called me out on my bullshit.

No. There are proper boards for it. Go there and take your hurt feelings and ass.

[Anonymous No.3572129]

>>3571851
>>3571854
These are posts that show a persons age.

It really was the best control set up at the time because the dualshock did not exist.
I'm not saying tank controls are good or bad just that it was the most manageable way with what we had.

[Anonymous No.3572259]

>>3566691
It was the Mighty No. 9 of its day.

[Anonymous No.3572269]

>>3554007
Super Hydlide is dope

[Anonymous No.3572279]

>>3555403
I don't think people necessarily hate it, they just all agree that it's fucking hard as balls.

[Anonymous No.3572446]

>>3566430
Nope, the game is shit. All the weapons are shit that are either useless or hurt you. The enemies are shitty, the level design is shitty, the graphics are shitty, it's buggy as fuck, and the whole game is an escort mission where you have to babysit your two companions or risk getting a game over. There's also limited save gems you have to find.

It doesn't help that it was hyped to hell and back by Romero as his dream project, a perfect "expert" FPS with RPG elements and a gripping story.

[Anonymous No.3572464]

>>3570141
thats for sure. I never did finish it.

[Anonymous No.3572645]

>>3572129
Hey I get that (though back then I had never seen a stickless PS controller, and just wondered why the character couldn't just move with one analog like in Mario 64), they weren't there, their addition changed everything, but even for the time, I felt the controls were really clunky and stiff.

I mean, I still love what it is, and it's very technically impressive, the choice of prerendered backgrounds to allow for more and better character and object models was the obvious logical step to go for what they were trying to do, but tank controls with a fixed perspective always felt inherently uncomfortable and unintuitive to me, at least personally.

Though I was much more of a PC gamer back then, and was used to having a mouse (and the N64 just did things differently).

[Anonymous No.3572680]

>tfw youtube wont stop recommending me videos of kids half my age bitching about games they are too stupid to understand no matter how many times I click "not interested".
Make it stop. There are just so many of these fuckers I cant block them all. All I want to watch are longplays and speedruns.

[Anonymous No.3572696]

>>3572680
Just get rid of the recommended bar. It's all just "popular" bullshit. They're not even related videos anymore.

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// @version 0.1
// @description Removes the recommended videos from youtube
// @author You
// @match *www.youtube.com/*
// @grant none
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style = document.createElement('style');
style.innerHTML = "#watch7-sidebar .watch-sidebar-section:last-child { display: none !important; }" +
"#watch7-sidebar-contents { min-height: 0px; }" +
"";

head.appendChild(style);
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[Anonymous No.3572713]

>>3572696
Thanks anon.
You may have saved my life.

[Anonymous No.3572916]

>>3572127
Your conclusion is based on speculation.
P.S.: Why do you spend your time, and nerves on my "bullshit" then? Just ignore it, or you need to feel good about saving the internet from improper posts? ;)

[Anonymous No.3574562]

>>3560298
Consider a movie.

If you've got a good movie, with strong acting, creative set design, a nice soundtrack, etc, it's very enjoyable and you can have a good time watching it.

If it's a mediocre movie where the acting is competent but dull, the sets are uninteresting and the soundtrack is cliche, you might still make it to the end but it's overall a pretty boring experience.

if you've got an utterly terrible movie where the actors are less competent than random people dragged off the street, the sets fall down and the camera keeps rolling and the soundtrack is hilariously ill-fitting and poorly mixed, the fact this movie made it through production at all (and generally gets worse as times goes on) becomes a source of hilarity, so you actually wind up with more enjoyment out of the terrible thing than out of the mediocre one because it's crossed over from just "not good" to "so bad it's enjoyable to view the horror.

I'll cut this short instead of sperging out about how a lot of humour is a reaction to unexpected things, and so quite naturally when you get something terrible packaged as though it should've been something good the result can be hilarity.