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Is this the pinnacle of RPGS?

>> No.3505915

>>3505908
More like the downfall of them.

>> No.3505921

I love Legend of Dragoon, OP, but you'll find that you and I are in the minority with that opinion here on /vr/.

>> No.3505953

>>3505908
The Mario RPGs did what Legend of Dragoon tried to do far better.

>> No.3505963

>>3505908
I love it, but no.

>> No.3506035

not even top 100

>have to sit through a long-ass addition every single time you want to use your basic attack

no thanks

>> No.3506205

>>3505908
It's like a perfect guide of what you shouldn't do while designing a RPG.

>> No.3506210

That's not Vagrant Story tho (assuming you mean turn based)

>> No.3506217

Keep hearing about this game
I played the demo when it was current
Goddamn i gotta dl an iso

>> No.3506223

>>3506217
be prepared for quite a grind, unless you manage to save up all your money the entire game to buy enough legend casques or whatever headgear it was that has the insane mdef to make it possible to bring anyone other than Shana/Rose/Meru to a boss battle.

>> No.3506238

>>3505908

Legaia is the better Legend of ___ RPG.

>> No.3507468

>>3505908
No, it's not as bad as it's rep on /vr implies, but it's not the pinnacle either. It's a good 7/10 RPG, definitely worth playing, especially at the time, but not fantastic by any means.

>> No.3507494

LoD is a good game but people confuse its very vocal cult fanbase and are lead to believe its an amazing game.

It has many problems that detract it from being truly special, but its still a solid experience, but one that frustrates me more than enthralls me on replays

>> No.3507531

on a related note, is panzer dragoon saga playable on emulators? decently, i mean.

>> No.3507624

>>3505953
What exactly do you mean?

>> No.3507627 [DELETED] 

Breath of Fire 4 and Grandia are better, as far as Playstation JRPG's go.

Phantasy Star 4 and Skies of Arcadia are the best of all time, though.

>> No.3507641

I think we can all agree that its OST is fantastic, regardless of the game's overall quality.

>> No.3507656

>>3507641
Not really,it has a few decent tracks here and there but nothing exceptional.
Plus, the actual samples are painfully low quality and full of noise, which hurts some of the better compositions a lot.

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>>3505908
Hardly. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't anything extraordinary either.

>> No.3508035

>>3505908
>Is this the pinnacle of RPGS?

HAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
no

>> No.3508039

>>3505953
In battle I agree, but not the rest.

>> No.3508051

>>3508020
God damnit terranigma.

>> No.3508052
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3508052

Prove me wrong.

>> No.3508057

Chrono Cross, Legend of Dragoon, Legend of Legaia, Wild Arms...

Why did all these games flop so hard?

>> No.3508530

>>3508052
Only thing Cross is good at is music.

>> No.3509032

>>3505908
It's shite. And it's on a system that's got dozens of good RPGs too.

>> No.3509039

>>3508057
They didn't. Chrono Cross and Legend of Dragoon are greatest hits games.

If anything is a "pinnacle", its FF7. It isn't the best ever made, but everything is downhill in a hurry afterwards.

>> No.3509196
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>>3509039
>If anything is a "pinnacle", its FF7. It isn't the best ever made, but everything is downhill in a hurry afterwards.

Everything Final Fantasy related, anyway. There were plenty of other JRPGs that were just as good if not better, most of which would have never left Japan or been released at all if it wasn't for FF7's massive boom in popularity.

>> No.3509250

>>3505908
Godly backgrounds, decent music, kinda crap combat, lame story.

It's biggest mistake was release date.

>> No.3509267

>>3508052
Same boat as LOD. Good, but not great games, that are really hurt by their reputation.

>> No.3509639

>>3508530
The battle system is pretty experimental.

>> No.3510128

>>3505908

It's okay, but the awful translation drags it down. It doesn't even use contractions.

>> No.3510131

>>3505908
additions and prerendered backgrounds were great
characters and story were ok, but the dialogue was butchered
world map was kinda meh, and switching discs to go to previous areas sucked
an ok game overall

I like battle systems like Super Mario RPG, Vagrant Story, LoD and Mother 3 which require some timing for their combos
what's the point of having combos in legaia or xenogears when you can't fuck them up?

>> No.3510181

Most average game ever played. Everything good in it is offset by something bad and vice versa. I enjoyed it, but I can't say it's a good game. It's an okay one, which is not bad, considering it came out when the market had a shitton of good jrpgs.

>> No.3510552

>>3506223
What are you talking about? I went through with Dart/Albert/Kongol as my main team and the only one who really ate shit in boss fights was Kongol, which was easily fixed by equipping him with a Spiritual Ring.

The only thing you ever need to occasionally grind are additions.

>> No.3510583

>>3505908
>spend a lifetime of shilling a shitty game to not appear as a casual for liking FF7 first

Should I feel contempt or pity for LoD fans?

>> No.3510805

>>3510583
>le shill meme
Boy you sure got 'em kid! Go for another swing!

>> No.3512018

>>3509039

Go fuck yourself with ff7. Pinnacle was ff8.
I try ff7 out and i fell asleep in the first minutes, ultimatly booring as shit and OVERHYPED.

ff6 > ff7. Fact.

>> No.3512021

>>3510552
Exactly, cause you grinded.

>> No.3512028

I bought this game when it came out and it's still the only game I have ever fallen asleep while playing.

>> No.3512063

>>3512028

Got it twelve or thirteen years ago and haven't finished it. Only made it past the third disc because I bummed a save file off of a buddy.

>> No.3514578

>>3509639
You mean the elemental shit? Pokemans did it first. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first to do that. The concepts were already pretty familiar to me by the time I played either of them

>> No.3514904

>>3505908
The pinnacle of jrpgs was probably Genso Suikoden 2 or one of the PS1 Final Fantasies.

>> No.3514969

>>3514904
suikoden 2 is really overrated, honestly, its a good game but its vastly overrated. The first game is nearly as good as 2 and better in some ways and its a sight bit more primitive of a game, so thats saying something about 2.

2 really got a little outlandish at points and went full retard with some plot elements from the first game that didn't really need to be expanded upon, like the outlandish vampire shit and talking sword comic relief stuff.

Also jowy is just delita except unlike delita having a somewhat bittersweet ending, getting the good ending in suikoden 2 basically makes its so jowy doesn't have to face any music for the things he did, its retarded.

>> No.3517009

>>3512021
But it was only occasionally, like doing 2 or 3 more fights to make up for times I failed my additions, if I never ever failed any addition once I wouldn't have grinded at all.
Anyways my point is that additions should be the only thing you ever grind, you literally can't ever be underleveled unless you make a point of trying to keep your level as low as you can, and they give you an abundance of gold throughout the game so you're never short on that either.
I never knew about it when i played, but I looked up the Legend Casque, the thing is only 10000G, how could you not afford that by the end of the game?

>> No.3517021

>>3514904
>Babby's first JRPGs series
>Pinnacle of anything

Only if you like interactive movies with little to no gameplay.

>> No.3517246
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3517246

>there are people who played Legend of Dragoon but never truly experienced the NTSC-J version's difficulty

>> No.3517327

>>3517021
>PS1 FF games
>little to no gameplay
What..?

>> No.3517412

>>3517246
what were the differences? I've never heard anything about the nip version being harder

>> No.3517431

>>3517412
It's actually easier gameplay wise. He probably just stumbled through it without understanding the language.

>> No.3517441

>>3517246
Isn't that version easier due to you being able to carry 64 items instead of 32?

>> No.3517448

>>3517441
>western version halves the items you can carry
what the fuck is up with these arbitrary changes to games back in the day

>> No.3517456

>>3505908
>having to switch discs every time you want to backtrack to certain towns
>Your ability to do damage in a turn based RPG is dependent upon your twitch and reaction skills

Lol no OP. I can't say it was a bad game but it sure as fuck wasn't the pinnacle of anything. I enjoyed it for what it was.

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3517458

>>3517412
"Following the game’s launch in Japan, we learned from players that certain parts of the game were too difficult. The team re-balanced the gameplay for the release outside of Japan, so the US version was the complete version of the game that we were all proud of."

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/04/11/the-legend-of-dragoon-coming-to-psn-rpg-classic-reborn-may-1st/

>>3517431
>It's actually easier gameplay wise.

"*NOTE: THE US/PAL VERSIONS OF MOST FOES IN THIS GAME ARE WEAKER AND SURVIVE
LESS (HENCE THE DIFFERENCE IN HP); JP versions do 25% MORE DAMAGE and HP are
~30% MORE"

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197765-the-legend-of-dragoon/faqs/55793

Have you even played the game?

>>3517441
>>3517448
Technically, you still get a 32 item slot limit.

To get 64 in the jap version, you needed to play an optional minigame using PocketStation.
I'm not sure if this is possible using emulators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuCpT5wVsDQ

>> No.3517490

>>3505908
Love this game but come on, you know that's not true.

>> No.3517505

>>3517327
Count the actual gameplay segments and the forced story cutscenes and longass conversation on anything, there's very little gameplay, which is made even worse by the fact that they're linear games and the battle design is shallow garbage, only FFIX is somewhat better because you have shittons of subquests to do, but it's still way too focused on cinematics and story instead of actual gameplay. That's what FF has always been good at since FFIV, production values and little else, they're not really good RPGs unless you don't know or play many games, or if you're young.

>> No.3517542

>>3517456
Everyone keeps complaining about having to switch discs but there are very few times you needed to do that. Sometimes you needed to go back to check out shops but the game doesn't really require much backtracking.

>> No.3517553

>>3517458
Considering the overall difficulty the original must've been really punishing

>> No.3517640

>>3507531
>Saturn
Ehhhh worth a shot I guess. Sega systems don't get nearly the amount of work as Nintendo or Sony and I recall Saturn in particular being a pain in the ass.

>> No.3517697

>>3517542
Can't speak for you but I did it often. I liked going to that town with festival as a kid and any time I wanted to do that, I would have to switch discs.

The game had garbage design for handling world map backtracking.

Even if I only had to do it once, it's enough to show the game didn't know how to plan properly and take it off the top spot in any list.

>> No.3518838
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>there are people who believe Kongol is a great/the best character