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Anonymous Fri Aug 28 18:21:36 2015 No.2646783 [DELETED]

I really miss old time FPS heroes

What ever happened to badasses like duke and doomguy who kicked ass and could run for miles never tiring?

Not to mention there's no creative enemies anymore now it's just terrorists or russians.

Duke 3D had fucking alien pig cops for god's sake.

Nowadays you play as some random literally who soldier who is too human for his own good and can only run for a solid 10 seconds before barfing his lungs out.

What the fuck happened?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 28 18:26:12 2015 No.2646796 >>2646783 Everyone got too obsessed with realism.

Anonymous Fri Aug 28 18:37:52 2015 No.2646835 [SPOILER]

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>>2646783
That kind of thing happened.

Developers and editors are now obsessed with gender equity and racial quotas in video games because of muh e-reputation.

Good luck having an alpha male MC like Douk nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 28 20:48:04 2015 No.2647095 Duke Nukum is offensive to women. Check ur privilege! Modern heroes are non-white, non-male, and non-heterosexual, and not demeaning. Bonus points if transexual. Also throw away ur guns, nobody use them anymore. That's not how to fight for justice!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 28 20:55:03 2015 No.2647110 >>2646783 the funny thing is why do people hate a protagonist who kills aliens instead of the crazy soldier massacring millions of russians who will never see their families again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 28 21:33:15 2015 No.2647183 >>2646783 Same thing that happened to 80s action movie heroes. They fell out of style.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 01:38:45 2015 No.2647749 >CTRL+F "feminism happened" >0 results Well at least this guy got close >>2647095. I bet the Reddit cucks ITT won't accept that truth though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 01:42:44 2015 No.2647759 >>2646783 Could be because most FPS games these days are multiplayer orientated, so they would have to make many individual characters that have their own personalities that really stand out. Team Fortress 2 pulled that off though, in a way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 01:45:14 2015 No.2647762 >>2647759 Also to add to that, many FPS games these days are trying to be realistic, so a character like Duke Nukem would seem out of place. But yeah, I miss the days of iconic fps characters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 02:39:55 2015 No.2647818 >>2647762 Just play Serious Sam or Shadow Warrior. I liked Rimanah as a character too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 02:40:57 2015 No.2647821 >>2647749 What about Cate Archer?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 04:33:53 2015 No.2647975 What is a good modern equivalent to Caleb I wonder?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 04:48:30 2015 No.2648009 >>2647975 I am.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:01:52 2015 No.2648039
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Those kind of FPS heroes are the product of 80s and 90s thanks to macho muscle action movies which are nowadays pretty much nonexistent.

I think the true FPS hero of modern days is the Postal Dude. He's not exactly musclebound or macho, but he's still a badass. He fights against all kinds of abominations from regular hillbillies to zombies, and even against Gary Coleman clones in the expansions. He should be up there with Douk, Doomguy, Serious Sam, and Caleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:03:25 2015 No.2648041 File: 321 KB, 1280x1024, postal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2647975 Postal Dude >god tier voice, check >sadistic, check >trench coat, check >arsenal of ridiculous but brutal weapons, check

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:06:59 2015 No.2648045 >>2646783 >What the fuck happened? There aren't enough 80s movie quotes to shamelessly steal and claim they are a "parody" anymore.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:11:26 2015 No.2648050
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>>2647749
I wouldn't blame any outsider factors that. It's just that the whole genre of sweaty-muscle-men-doing-muscle-things is dead, Hollywood moved on. If I had the skills I would make my own modern day equivalent of Douk 3D that takes piss on all modern weenie shooters, events etc.

>kill the mutant fish boss
>cutscene
>badass main character forces the fish mouth open, throws in a grenade and says: "choke on it"
>mc walks away towards the camera as the mutant fish explodes into gibs

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:12:32 2015 No.2648052 >>2648050 >I wouldn't blame any outsider factors that Whatever you say, ally.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:19:01 2015 No.2648065

>>2648052
>>2647749
You're a fucking idiot. These kinds of shooters died because of stuff like Half-Life causing the genre to focus on more serious cinematic shooters, it has nothing to do with feminism. But judging from your posts you probably think feminism caused Duke Forever to flop because of a few stupid kotaku articles and not that it was a shit game due to 3D Realms constantly scraping the game and starting all over again whenever a new innovation came out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:28:51 2015 No.2648076 >>2648065 Hey I am an ally of you allies, don't be mad at me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:49:55 2015 No.2648109 >>2648065 >like Half-Life >cinematic shooters why do people keep saying that, what's cinematic in HL1?

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 05:55:46 2015 No.2648120

>>2648109
Because Half-Life is what set a lot of the standards for more linear games with scripted events to give you a feeling that you're playing a moment that would be in a movie. I'm not using it as an insult but Half-Life is what really got the industry moving from the large open maps older shooters had to more of a roller coaster ride games after it started going for.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:40:31 2015 No.2648172 SJWs and feminists took over vidya. You can't have anything manly anymore because muh soggy knee. You can only have stuff like faggots, trannies, womyn, and niggers these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:42:41 2015 No.2648174 >>2646783 >or russians Why do Americans still hate Russians anyway?

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:47:08 2015 No.2648186

>>2648109

It may not have cutscenes but it is very linear and there are a limited number of ways you can do things, as well as all the set pieces. HL2 really over did it with the latter which is why I find it a boring slog to play through these days despite how impressive it was on release. HL1 is still very enjoyable for me though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:51:13 2015 No.2648192 >>2646783 Counterstrike happened. >>2648039 >Postal Dude >modern days

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:58:56 2015 No.2648197 File: 103 KB, 1024x576, postal journalism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2648192 Postal 2 just recently got an expansion pack with modern vidya references. That makes Postal Dude a modern day FPS hero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 06:59:33 2015 No.2648198 >>2647095 >>2647749 As a transwoman, I am so happy that the editors of 4chan are on our side against these misogynists. However, please make sure that this >>2648172 person is doxxed and fired from his job (if he has one) as well. Thank you. :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:12:25 2015 No.2648206 >>2648109 >>2648186 >half-life doesn't have cutscenes >being forced to watch people talking for hours doesn't count because you can jump up and down during it, even though nothing you do matters until the not-a-cutscene is over A low quality meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:20:00 2015 No.2648217 >>2648120 >to give you a feeling that you're playing a moment that would be in a movie that is pretty much the opposite of what first person viewed sequences feel like and it wasn't really more linear than quake/q2

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:21:53 2015 No.2648220 >>2648206 >hurr i have to stay in an area for 3 seconds, it's a fucking charles dickens novel in 3D and not an action video game

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:22:31 2015 No.2648221 >>2648206 They are annoying but they're really not cutscenes. Not by definition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:26:05 2015 No.2648227 >>2648198 no problem qt

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:31:20 2015 No.2648235 >>2648220 It was tolerable in 1, but 2 really fucked up on all of its ugly mary sue characters that you have no other choice but to follow their ass for the entirety of the game, with cutscenes every 5 minutes. >>2648221 What's the definition?

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:36:45 2015 No.2648239

>>2648235
>What's the definition?

It's generally agreed that a cutscene takes control away from the player. The scenes in the HL games are annoying on replays but you do have control. You're not being presented with a non-interactive piece of in-game film.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:39:46 2015 No.2648245

>>2648239
>It's generally agreed that a cutscene takes control away from the player.
In MGS4 and Witcher 3, while you watch "cutscenes" you still have some level of player control over moving the camera a bit.

Does this mean that they aren't actually cutscenes because you still are able to interact with the game while watching?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:41:50 2015 No.2648247 >>2647183 >Same thing that happened to 80s action movie heroes. They fell out of style. This statement just made me incredibly sad, because of how true it is in both games and the real world.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 07:42:54 2015 No.2648248

>>2648239
>It's generally agreed that a cutscene takes control away from the player.
Actually, it's generally agreed that a cutscene isn't interactive. That doesn't mean the player can't move around, he just can't influence the flow of the cutscene, because its purpose is to be an exposition dump and not a gameplay element. That part in Sonic 3&K where you're waiting for the pyramid to rise? Cutscene. "Interactive cutscenes" do exist, however - but they're better known as QTEs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 08:05:11 2015 No.2648290 >>2648235 >2 not even retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 08:06:32 2015 No.2648295 >>2648290 Retard >What ever happened to badasses like duke and doomguy who kicked ass and could run for miles never tiring? The world ended in 2000 apparently

NESfag Sat Aug 29 08:58:09 2015 No.2648370

It's not video games, it's a generational thing. The cliché 'bad ass' guy was a thing of that generation in every media, just look at comics of that time and the exagerated amount of muscles.

Nowadays the trend is all about "flawed human" characters as well as being potilicaly correct as possible to avoid any "minor" group to jump on you screaming "RACISM" or "SEXCISM" or "YOU DO NOT RESPECT MY RELIGION".

About Duke, Gearbox said they're looking for an indie dev to help them make the next Duke game. Then, this popped up, current indie devs saying how they would make their Duke Nukem like nowadays... it's pathetic
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/16/duke-nukem-how-indie-developers-would-tackle-gamings-most-macho-hero

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:06:51 2015 No.2648391 >>2647762 The realism fad was mainly a 00's thing. realistic military shooters are now becoming semi-futuristic spy thriller shooters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:08:44 2015 No.2648395 >>2648391 >The realism fad was mainly a 00's thing. Well, more accurately, it was mainly a late 00's thing.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:18:41 2015 No.2648410
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>people/devs/publishers who think Douk was good because of nostalgia

Nostalgia as in "it was good back then, not good anymore", which is just buuuullllllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeet. I play Duke Nukem 3D every year, at least once a month. Now that it's ported on multiple different systems and consoles I play it even more often. It's one of the greatest games ever made, and Douk is one of the greatest vidya characters ever.

There are plenty of hungry Douk fans waiting for the *real* sequel to DN3D, too bad DNF ruined it and now the publishers think nobody wants Douk anymore. I want Duke game that will give other games the "Duke treatment" and will rip them apart with witty satire and oldschool insight. There was this one part in Duke Nukem Forever where Douk is being offered the Master Chief power armor, and then Douk says "Power armor is for pussies!". It was a good gag, and would be fucking amazing if it wasn't for the fact that DNF is a re-skinned Cowadoody and he has regenerating health.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:20:32 2015 No.2648415 >>2648370 >http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/16/duke-nukem-how-indie-developers-would-tackle-gamings-most-macho-hero To be honest, their are some good ideas in there. Really like Will Porter's idea.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:40:51 2015 No.2648437

>>2646796
Realism is cool though.

I like fast games like Doom and Quake but I also like those old Rainbow 6 or Ghost Recons.

What I hate is how every FPS now seems to be in this awkward middle ground where they're too realistic to like Doom was but also too arcadey to be like Rainbow 6.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:43:57 2015 No.2648442 File: 1.45 MB, 875x1199, 1440855837507.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >implying

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:47:59 2015 No.2648447 >>2648437 >What I hate is how every FPS now seems to be in this awkward middle ground where they're too realistic to like Doom was but also too arcadey to be like Rainbow 6. I thought Goldeneye 007 had the right balance though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:48:53 2015 No.2648449 >>2647759 TF2 is the only current, and by that I mean still supported, multiplayer focused FPS I can think of where the characters actually have personalities. Everything else like CoD or whatever is just generic soldier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:52:31 2015 No.2648456 >>2648370 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:54:03 2015 No.2648459 >>2648174 They're the closest thing to an enemy the US currently has. Plus it's all a bunch of white people over there, or at least that's the stereotype. So no one throws a shitfit over racism or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:55:19 2015 No.2648463 >>2648437 >but I also like those old Rainbow 6 or Ghost Recons. Rainbow 6 (the original one of course) cohabited with Quake and Unreal without any issue. Publisher want "realism", not realism. "Realism" à la Saving Private Ryan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:56:20 2015 No.2648470 >>2648442 You forgot to spoil the filename. :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:57:22 2015 No.2648473 >>2648459 >Plus it's all a bunch of white people over there, or at least that's the stereotype. So no one throws a shitfit over racism or anything. also this

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 09:59:27 2015 No.2648476 File: 25 KB, 382x333, 1410140632653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2648449 Red Orchestra 2/Rising storm.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:05:36 2015 No.2648483 [DELETED]

>>2648172
>>2648198
Please keep your stupid twitter war on /v/. I know you're just hanging here so you won't find out that Decoy Octopus was really Venom Snake the whole time in MGSV until it comes out but you don't need to bring your shitposting while you're on your vacation here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:19:35 2015 No.2648503 >>2647110 I wouldn't confuse bloggers/game journalists with "people" if I were you. Everyone loves Duke.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:25:03 2015 No.2648520 [DELETED]

>>2648483
>implying I give a slightest fuck about Metal Gear Shit
I care even less for its storyline that's perhaps good enough to impress someone with the mentality of a 12 year old (i.e. you).

Most "retro" players are against the tranny trash ruining video games, by that I mean of course people who enjoy good RPGs, since most good RPGs are "retro". The people who are here for "retro" as in "games from my childhood:)" are most likely Reddit cucks as well so of course you would be "neutral" (meaning protecting womynfolk at all cost, transwomynfolk included).

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:25:20 2015 No.2648524 >>2648415 I like the Downton Abbey one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:32:09 2015 No.2648536 >>2648483 People seriously care about the story in MGS? Seriously?

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:39:00 2015 No.2648552

Let me get this straight, this thread is full of people who intentionally want to make the writing in videogames worse? We stopped making those characters because they were meant to be parodies of the cheesy action movjes and comics of the 80's. Duke Nukem is just taking the piss out of Arnold and Stallone movies. The modern day equivalent of a Duke type character would be the Postal Guy as mentioned earlier because he is a parody of the brooding anti-hero that has become popular in more modern action movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 10:48:15 2015 No.2648585 >>2648198 >>2648227 >>2648483 >>2648520 >>2648536 Goobergators blown the fuck out by our brave janitorial stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 11:00:43 2015 No.2648616 >>2648552 >want to make the writing in videogames worse? it can?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 11:02:57 2015 No.2648619 >>2647110 Who hates duke?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 11:30:57 2015 No.2648668 >>2648172 Janitor you forgot to delete this one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 11:38:42 2015 No.2648682 >>2648520 >>2648536 If that's the case then how come shitposting here has dramatically increased since news of the leak? Fuck off back to /v/ and take your internet drama with you.

NESfag Sat Aug 29 12:26:24 2015 No.2648749

>>2648415
Yeah that's pretty much the only one that could work. Old fan wouldn't be pissed because it's still the Duke they know, and new players would like him for the parody.

Now that I think of it, this "Will Porter" idea is pretty much... not to change him; I mean, Duke himself WAS a parody in DN3D.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 12:36:34 2015 No.2648769 >>2648668 You can't erase the truth even if it hurts. Which is a big reason I am so much into retro gaming.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 12:46:23 2015 No.2648786 >>2648769 All of the women in retro games must scare you something fierce.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 12:54:14 2015 No.2648804 >>2648459 >They're the closest thing to an enemy the US currently has Not Russians but Norks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 13:18:08 2015 No.2648841 >>2648769 I don't think you understood what I meant. I hate modern gaming for SJe[/spoilerWs. Also Chun-Li is mai waifu.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 13:45:41 2015 No.2648910

>>2648395
Is it finally over now? Kinda looks it, no?

>Destiny back to heavy sci-fi
>New Cowadoody's have dropped the "realistic" military shooter bullshit and now have more elaborate movement systems based on sci-fi future tech
>Classic old shooter reboots errywhere (SW, Doom 4, Wolf TNO) and while not totally retro at least they have more enemy/gun variety
>Games like Killing Floor have you fighting zombies n shiet

Thank fuck. It really does look like the 'realism' bullshit is over... for now at least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 13:51:34 2015 No.2648923 >>2648841 They rarely ever do anything. Why do you seriously care so much about some stupid person's opinion enough to let it kill modern video games for you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 13:54:31 2015 No.2648929 >>2648923 I think you're too young and naive to be here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 14:04:00 2015 No.2648963 >>2648929 >believing in the SJW boogeyman Not him but I think you're the one that's too young to be here m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:28:14 2015 No.2649196 >>2647110 i fell you are alluding to late 90s early 2000 controversies with teenagers playing DOOM (or even duke?), because it has demons and all yeah real life wars is much worse if you think about it. doom guy was a holy knight in services of god

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:34:07 2015 No.2649218 >>2648120 >to give you a feeling that you're playing a moment that would be in a movie >>2648217 yep, MDK, Dark Forces / Jedi Knight, soudns to me like these 3 could also be called by this "cinematic shooters" term

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:42:11 2015 No.2649241 >>2648963 Your rhetoric tells me all I need to know about you, and I don't think retro is your thing.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:42:27 2015 No.2649243

>>2648239
>>2648245

i kinda get this anons confusion, since at some point cutscenes was even non-engine produced / drawed / IRL filmed scenes

then it became engine created scenes, but sometimes pre-rendered, and sometimes engine scripted, but with uncontrollable camera movements , and other times, scripted engine events but you retain first person view and may or may not move your eyes and / or body.

so given this spectrum, we cant arbitrarily define what counts, so yeah, its all cutscenes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:45:40 2015 No.2649258 >>2648172 niGGer detected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 15:50:02 2015 No.2649278 >>2649241 >you can't like my secret retro hobby if you talk differently than me! Jesus Christ, I don't like the way he talks either, but you couldn't be more of a contrarian hipster if you tried.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 16:11:43 2015 No.2649332
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>>2648923
not trying to derail, but in general terms, that's how it works, ppl started hating tobaco, now smokers have their enjoyment of it restricted, the fact that you can OBJectively prove its CONCRETE harmfulness as the basis for its restriction have little importance in the end, for what is praised, acceptable, shunned or illegal in different societies across the globe and across time.
>Because I believe this drug business will destroy us in the years to come.
It's not like gambling or liquor or even women, which is something that most people want, but is forbidden by the Church.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 18:58:10 2015 No.2649626

>>2649241
>I don't think retro is your thing

Nice try, /v/ scum, but I play all the pre-2000 sonic games and the greats from SEGA every day. Every day I wish I were Sonic the Hedgehog and I have a Sonic sticker in my fedora right next to my Dworkin sticker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 19:00:09 2015 No.2649635 >>2649278 I like this meme. Pretending that "retro" is a hobby. As if people actually play the games because they are "retro" and not because they're good and also happen to be older. Makes u rly look like a non-contrarian hipster tips gomorrah

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 20:28:35 2015 No.2649781 >>2648295 2001, more specifically. 9/11 happened and we had to glorify stoic, grimy soldiers with buzzcuts because we weren't allowed to have fun anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 20:48:23 2015 No.2649810 >>2649258 You have to be a real ally-mangina who dreams of being cucked by entering a 'polyamory' relationship with some 4/10 to think that that post had anything to do with black people. Kill yourself you fucking respectfully nodding scum.

Anonymous Sat Aug 29 20:57:18 2015 No.2649828

I don't even care about the musclebound badass hero, I just want off-the-wall plots, weapons and enemies again. It's all gritty realism or gritty realism in space now. I just want to fight pig cops from space with freezing rays inside a porn theater. The newer Serious Sam installments yeah, but they're just exceptions that prove the rule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 29 21:11:34 2015 No.2649853 >>2649781 By 2001 the wave of militaristic FPS has already started. After all, the first Medal of Honor was a big success.

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 03:09:16 2015 No.2650305
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Slower means a broader audience because slower players can become good and suitability for dual analog controls on simple to operate consoles
WWII means slower firing weapons such as bolt action rifles and single shot rocket launchers
Saving Private Ryan was extremely popular with audiences and critics in the late 90s

Put them all together and you have a perfect storm where pic related happens. From there the shift to modern shooters taking placing in Afghanistan/Iraq is only natural, as proven by COD 4.

The death of the classic FPS hero was spurred by the death of his environment. When the game is ripping off a movie that (should have) won Best Picture, you can't have a fun protag, you need to be GRIM and GRITTY because GAMES ARE ART now,

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 04:09:38 2015 No.2650354

>>2649332
You're a fucking idiot if you think there would be laws placed restricting content video games can have just because a few SJWs got mad on twitter. Unless you live in somewhere like Germany or Australia who were already nanny states you have nothing to worry about. Hell we live in an age where it can be a viable option to even release your game independently on the web avoiding all trade and ratings laws in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 12:30:33 2015 No.2650924 File: 46 KB, 549x563, 005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you were in charge of designing a brand new FPS hero, what would he (or she!) be like?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 12:44:06 2015 No.2650947 >>2650354 These days legality isn't all that exists when it comes to punishment. The mob mentality that seems to explode whenever people don't like something and the the someone behind it is enough to ruin lives and careers.

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 12:44:45 2015 No.2650948

>>2650924
Well I want my hero to be more than silent protagonist, yet more than just typical hero guy, so I would probably make him someone that visually reacts with his surroundings which shows the timidity of him and his life actually being threatened, instead of "I'M A BADASS! I FEAR NOTTIN'"

I mean, my protagonist is only human. I might have his face in a hud similar to Doom which changes depending on the environment with text or voice used for him to voice his opinion on the situation.

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 12:49:48 2015 No.2650956

>>2650947
The mob mentality stuff only becomes an issue when you directly respond to one of them because they view it as an opening. Best tactic when it comes to dealing with them is to just ignore them and only communicate with the people who actually bring up worthwhile complaints about the game. Great example of this is RWS, the Postal series is filled to the brim with stuff these people would find offensive but because thy never directly communicate with any of them their whining pretty much goes unheard of and RWS gets to continue making what they want.

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 13:32:03 2015 No.2651028

>>2650924
He would also be a she. The hero would change their genders which would give them special powers. Their female gender identity would be more powerful, have more health and so on while their male identity would be used to sneak by the Patriarch guards / stealth gameplay (since ciswhite men don't raise as much suspicion as strong black badass kickass women).

Before you ask, no, their actual appearance doesn't change, just their gender identity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 13:38:18 2015 No.2651041 >>2651028 You're stuck in a binary gender concept

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 13:47:14 2015 No.2651051 >>2648459 >white people Yeah no. They're subhumans, that's what they are. You can't consider them white in any way whatsoever. Plus there are a lot of chinks in the east. Also, I'm from ex-ussr, not america.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 14:02:36 2015 No.2651079 File: 35 KB, 400x266, panzerdragoonsaga_09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2651041 This anon is spot on. You should make it a two-dimensional interactive plane slider between genders and skin color, like in Panzer Dragoon Saga

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 14:02:48 2015 No.2651081 >>2649635 Oldfag here. Can confirm I play retro games because comfy childhood memories :3

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 14:03:50 2015 No.2651083 >>2649258 >>2649626 Thank you for proving me right. I appreciate it.

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 14:46:00 2015 No.2651148
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tbh I remember Douk3D fondly more because of it's weapons and level design than because his mismash of references, one liners and faux adult ambient.

>>2648050
>Hollywood moved on
Which is why they keep demaking movies from the 80s, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 15:57:37 2015 No.2651321 >>2651148 there will always be remakes, because >nostalgiafags >why make something from scratch when you can recycle shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 30 21:41:36 2015 No.2652371 >>2646783 >doom guy It's called Space Marine, faggot

Anonymous Sun Aug 30 21:43:35 2015 No.2652373

>>2651148
>I remember Douk3D fondly more because of it's weapons and level design than because his mismash of references, one liners and faux adult ambient.

That's because you formed your own opinion by playing the game instead of reading any generic id fanboy rant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 06:02:09 2015 No.2653132 File: 23 KB, 342x300, 1417439184855.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >DN3D sewer levels There was one really shitty one in Duke it out in DC.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 06:04:46 2015 No.2653135
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How long did it take you to beat Smithsonian Terror? Did you manage to get pass the level without walkthroughs or guides? Probably the biggest official Duke map ever made, it really is enormous and it's really easy to get lost.
I played it in coop with my brothers and we were wandering around for like 45 minutes and during that time our paths didn't cross even once. That's how big the level is.

NESfag Mon Aug 31 08:55:55 2015 No.2653263

>>2653135
The problem is that most of the stuff required to make progress are sort of hidden, the first keycard is in a goddamn vent (and the map has tons of vents); then you have hidden switches in fishtanks... It is a great map though. Everything is connected though, so with good memory and good use of the automap, it shouldn't be too hard to figure the map out. Of course if you just go on and take paths randomly without method, you're going to turn in round and feel lost, due to how everything is connected.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:01:43 2015 No.2653268

>>2653263
>Of course if you just go on and take paths randomly without method, you're going to turn in round and feel lost, due to how everything is connected.
Good maps have an inherent order. For example real buildings follow a system to make the walkways logical and efficient. You can construct any arbitrary maze, and make the player keep book of every hallway they went through, but that does not make a good map. Good maps are more intuitively navigable, where there are clean indicators of progression (not necessarily signs) and understandable dead ends.

>>	NESfag Mon Aug 31 09:02:40 2015 No.2653270 Guys it's over, Gearbox owns Duke Nukem 3D now. FucK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:09:47 2015 No.2653282 >>2653270 NESFAG BTFO AHAHAHAA

NESfag Mon Aug 31 09:15:27 2015 No.2653293

>>2653268
>real buildings

Real buildings are boring (for the most part), and you can't compare pre-Half Life FPS level design to real life. Irrealistic conceptual levels are the essence of that area.

> intuitively navigable
Past the lower floor, you basically have one huge hub and different rooms around here; most of the rooms also happen to be connected one way or another (or several ways) between each others.
I don't see what's non intuitive about that; even if accidentaly go back to the hub through another path, you'll know you're there, and you should remember where you've been or not.
A quick look at the automap will show where you've already been, where you are, where you haven't been yet.

As for signs, the map has plenty. Actual physical signs.

>understandable dead ends
I don't see how the dead ends are not understandable. For instance, you find the front doors, you'll know you won't be able to open them.

Like I said, its real problem is how keys and switches are hidden; in such a huge map, making important progression points easily missable isn't a good idea. Other than that, the design is fabulous. It's a representation of the spirit of the level design of the area pushed to its limits. There is overconnection between areas, he design of the map works great in SP, coop and DM at the same time, there is non linearility and freedom in which you can tackle an area (like how you can get inside the same area through different sides), and no matter how you tackle the map, it works.
If you don't like it maybe huge maps with freedom aren't for you.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:20:34 2015 No.2653304

>>2653293
>Real buildings are boring
When intact and mundane, maybe

>you can't compare pre-Half Life FPS level design to real life
I sure as hell can. Reality is what most people have a connection to, and level designers should include that.

I have not played the particular map. My comments are general, because you seemed to suggest that a big maze-y map is always a good thing. If that particular map does not make the common maze mistakes, that's cool, no problem.

>Actual physical signs.
I intentionally suggested they're not the only thing, as they tend to be the cheapest solution. Alternatives include destruction/blockage, positioning of enemies, and a player motive.

>in such a huge map, making important progression points easily missable isn't a good idea
Right, that.

>Other than that, the design is fabulous
Fair enough

>the spirit of the level design of the area
Elaborate?

>maybe huge maps with freedom aren't for you
Careful with that condescending tone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:24:03 2015 No.2653307 >>2646783 I know it's not retro, but Borderlands 1 & 2 had good characters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 15:33:39 2015 No.2653982 >>2653270 RIP Duke, no chance of being good again

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 15:39:31 2015 No.2653987 >>2653270 Fuck my stupid life. I hope TerminX can kinda release some acceptable fair-use "recreations" of the alpha/beta stuff he swam into. He's at least allowed to share details I think. We can all work from there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 15:46:35 2015 No.2654006 File: 64 KB, 400x513, Borderlands2tinytina.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2653270 Sounds like Douk just... took a bullet to the knee!

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 16:07:12 2015 No.2654041
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>Lo Wang is a racist stereotype of Asian people
>Duke Nukem is somehow not a racist stereotype of white American people

Any azn retro gamers here? Do you really feel insulted by Shadow Warrior?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 16:09:18 2015 No.2654047 >>2654041 >Lo Wang is a racist stereotype of Asian people Don't forget how sexist he is! >Duke Nukem is somehow not a racist stereotype of white American people You can't be racist against white people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 16:14:12 2015 No.2654053 >>2654041 If that's the case their own samurai and kung fu movies are racist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 18:53:02 2015 No.2654309 >>2654041 Actual Asian here. Yes I am insulted by that it is incredibly racist and triggering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 14:28:30 2015 No.2656127 >>2647183 >>2648247 Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened, and ve if they don't make any new ones you still have a lot existing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 15:20:49 2015 No.2656242 >>2654041 yellow can't be racist. check and mat, white cracka.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 09:20:47 2015 No.2659000 >>2654047 Again, why /v/ is worse than /pol/? You know, there was white people killed because was white. What the fuck, we started a good thread and now is tumblr?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 14:28:13 2015 No.2659369 >>2654309 if this is not bait then haha.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 17:19:18 2015 No.2659603 >>2648172 Thank you. I wanna get into game design but I feel like by the time I'm in the industry it'll all be bullshit like Depression Quest and muh soggy knee simulator, fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 17:20:20 2015 No.2659606 >>2648415 Porter's idea made me chuckle but the majority of these are so stupid.

Anonymous Thu Sep 3 17:29:29 2015 No.2659624

Doomguy had no personality at all. The game makes you feel bad ass, but that has more to do with game play than doomguy imo. Soldier of Fortune did the same, also with a bland main ch - and that game is all up in the modern, "realistic" trend. Smart-asses with a little more personality can also still be found, ie in Mercenaries 2 (not fps tho).

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 19:04:06 2015 No.2659821 >>2654047 Get back to Reddit, no one wants to hear your "omg I'm so bad because I'm white" bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 4 03:37:27 2015 No.2660698 File: 315 KB, 1280x720, Screenshot_Doom_20150904_033707.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 4 06:09:12 2015 No.2660861 >>2660698 update your source port or maybe you forgot to load a .DEH file.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 4 11:50:14 2015 No.2661238 File: 985 KB, 1600x1000, Leonard.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is my favorite hero from an old-school FPS.

Anonymous Fri Sep 4 17:23:26 2015 No.2661892

>>2654041
>Duke Nukem is somehow not a racist stereotype of white American people
Something like 80% of Lo Wang's dialogue in the original game was a joke about his race. He's not even a parody of a particular Asian nationality... Just Asians in general. They throw in Japanese stuff as much as Chinese stuff, and every now and then there's something Korean or even Vietnamese. I'm saying this as someone who actually had fun playing SW when I was a kid: The WHOLE point of Lo Wang is to be a vehicle for racist jokes.

Duke is white, but not because he's a parody of white guys. It's a default. They could have made him black or Hawaiian or whatever and not changed anything else about him and he'd work (at least, it would if this came out today). If he was really a racist parody, he'd seem a lot more pathetic: Balding or mulleted, short of breath, unable to lift a heavy weapon (let alone fire it), bad posture, slow running speed, skinny except for his beer gut. Or in the present day he'd spend the game collecting Moleskine notebooks and doing web dev on his MacBook when he could be shooting the aliens, and all the health pickups would be vegan salads and soy lattes.

Or he'd be these guys. >>2661238

Anonymous Fri Sep 4 17:35:45 2015 No.2661924

>>2661892
>If he was really a racist parody, he'd seem a lot more pathetic: Balding or mulleted, short of breath, unable to lift a heavy weapon (let alone fire it), bad posture, slow running speed, skinny except for his beer gut. Or in the present day he'd spend the game collecting Moleskine notebooks and doing web dev on his MacBook when he could be shooting the aliens, and all the health pickups would be vegan salads and soy lattes.
10/10 would play and not cry to a hugbox online about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 4 17:42:02 2015 No.2661938 >>2661892 Yeah, Duke was more of a parody of American action movie heroes. Just look up an image of Howie Long in Broken Arrow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:05:54 2015 No.2662560 File: 456 KB, 500x500, chex.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is my favorite hero from an old-school FPS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 14:56:38 2015 No.2663590 >>2648370 Why are people so fucking terrified of maybe offending some asshole somewhere? Douk and Doom were controversial in their day and it helped them. Hatred sold really well BECAUSE of controversy. Do they hate money?

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:01:10 2015 No.2663601

>>2663590
If your thought process is
>> offend people => get filthy rich
you have the best starting conditions to produce a bad game. Duke Nukem 3D and Doom were not made to offend people, and they were not made to get filthy rich. They were made because someone genuinely thought it's a cool idea. The "controversy" did not help them. Them being cool, entertaining and well made helped. It's a subtle difference, but still a difference.
I'm not too convinced that Hatred sold well, and general reception suggests that it's a rather bland game

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:06:37 2015 No.2663615 >>2663601 Cool your shit you spergy fuck, I didn't say you SHOULD be controversial, I'm just saying it's not a bad thing to be avoided.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:09:24 2015 No.2663623

>>2663615
You implied that Duke Nukem 3D and Doom relied on the controversy ("it helped them"), in a similar way to Hatred ("sold really well BECAUSE"), and that it's a foundation for a development concept with a focus on profit ("do they hate money?"). I reacted to that.

NESfag Sat Sep 5 15:14:02 2015 No.2663637

>>2663590
Nobody cared about small groups with loud voices in the 90's. Also, a movie, a comic or a game were often made with a specific target audiance in mind.

Nowadays western societies are all about "we have to catter to everyone and not offend anyone!". Medias give big echoes to feminists or anti racists groups, partly beacuse there is a lot of those work in the press.
So entertainment makers replace a white character by a black one in the movie adaptation and they try not to hurt anyone.

It's still okay to be racists against the Chinese though; and to be intolerant against muslims, especially in the US.
I give it 10 years before western societies starts to realize it's not okay to be racists on the Chinese. Nothing will change for muslims though, at least not as long as there are attacks by groups of extremists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:59:18 2015 No.2663831 >>2663615 epic anger implication fam

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 6 17:09:52 2015 No.2666093 shake it baby

Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:16:28 2015 No.2667892

>>2648370
I think the character should remain the same, while the world around him changes.

The game that you'd end up with would essentially play the same, with ridiculous guns, bad lines and general misbehaviour. However, instead of this just being accepted by the various characters in the surrounding universe, they would be shocked and appalled. Duke's only response to this would, of course, be to shoot them.

So ultimately you'd have a game that climaxed in Duke torching rabid hordes of SJWs, while remaining completely unchanged as a character.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:21:11 2015 No.2668146 >>2648221 You're right, they're far worse than cutscenes. You can at least sometimes skip cutscenes, or at least just walk away and come back when it's done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:22:53 2015 No.2668150 >>2663637 >it's not okay to be racists why not

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 22:27:54 2015 No.2670914 >>2648841 I'm an SJW, but I don't mind Duke. Yeah, it's a textbook example of toxic masculinity, but it's not really fair to blame a 90's game for reflecting 90's attitudes. That would be like refusing to read H.P. Lovecraft because of his racism.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 01:58:41 2015 No.2671280

>>2670914
>That would be like refusing to read H.P. Lovecraft because of his racism.
Even Lovecraft's contemporaries thought he was too racist.
>like dude tone it down srsly wats ur problem
Also it's weird to me that Duke is always talked about as a symbol of masculinity when he has all this anarchism stuff permeating his identity that could be totally divorced from what's in his pants. I guess nobody remembers what anarchists were like in the 90s, since the whole movement has been overtaken by legitimizing forces like Ron Paul and the Tea Party.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 02:10:00 2015 No.2671293
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The consensus seems to be that early FPS heroes were a product of 80s-90s hyper-masculine action movie heroes.

Given how action movies are today, what kind of FPS hero would people like today if we made one that is as much a product of today as Douk is of the 90s?

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 02:32:49 2015 No.2671321
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>>2671293
>Given how action movies are today, what kind of FPS hero would people like today if we made one that is as much a product of today as Douk is of the 90s?
I think the basic model of the FPS is one founded on a very confrontational worldview, where people deal with their problems as directly as possible: By shooting them in the face in broad daylight. I think the world has moved on from 90s action heroes because it has become the kind of world where that just doesn't happen. Our problems these days are just symptoms of something huge, systemic, complicated, intangible, and invisible. So, any game that offers people the kind of escapism where they confront their problems has to do so on the same terms as the problems themselves.

I've seen three distinct tropes that you could cite as alternatives to the Manly Action Hero, and each could translate into a different kind of game: First, the self-destructive intellectual who uses suave, cunning, and foresight to backstab his way to the top. Second, the wild-eyed madman who rages against his enemy with every ounce of his strength even though he's doomed to failure. And third, the disaffected loser, the guy who's already defeated, but rolls with it, shrugs off the tormented screams of the world around him, and just runs around shitposting and borrowing whatever he needs to survive.

Pic related. He's type three.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 02:43:32 2015 No.2671336

>>2671321
Those confrontational worldviews you describe are most likely a symptom of a Cold War mindset that says "We're good, Communists bad" or even more simply, "US vs THEM" (which also generated the Cowboys/Indians trope that was so popular in the 1950s).

What you said about the tropes actually sheds a lot of light on why games that feature player choice of some sort, especially RPGs such as DA:I and The Witcher III, are getting more popular. People seem to be more comfortable with the notion that, not only are the problems as clear-cut as before (like you said), but that the only logical conclusion is to allow people to solve them in the way that suits them best. It's a different take on extreme individualism, where only YOU can truly make the right decision. And that doesn't lend itself to FPS, as you said. Hell, even the protag for CoD: AW switches sides because he discovers that the mercenary boss is bad (what a surprise).

However, some of those tropes could still become worthwhile FPS. Not the type 1, but type 2 certainly could lend itself to a fast-paced old-school shooter where it's you vs. the world. I'd like to see something like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 19:46:40 2015 No.2672429 >>2648039 >macho muscle action movies which are nowadays pretty much nonexistent That's a damn shame, we could really do with a resurgence of that.

Anonymous Wed Sep 9 20:10:55 2015 No.2672449

>>2663590
Hatred didn't sell gangbusters, the controversy they tried to breed probably increased sales somewhat, but it wasn't a smash hit, general consensus was that the game was 'Just ok', and a 'just ok' game with some controversy wont simply sell as well as a great game.

Doom had controversy, but that's not what made it such a megahit, it succeeded because it was an amazing game, the gameplay formula was a winner and it's still fun to play to this day, can the same be said of Hatred in 10 years?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 9 20:14:26 2015 No.2672453 >>2672449 I was legitimately excited and then disappointed in Hatred. I expected enemy variety. Maybe better map design. No joke, it could've been a genuinely great game.

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