/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.2589532]

Well, you bastards finally did it.

ZSNES doesn't work right under Windows 10.

Finally switch to higan, but it's against my will and I'm not happy about it.

>inb4 muh accuracy

I have real hardware for accuracy, inevitable faggot.

[Anonymous No.2589536]

R.I.P Snowglobe emulator

[Anonymous No.2589539]

>>2589532
>higan
why? just use snes9x 1.53

[Anonymous No.2589541]

>Win 10

[Anonymous No.2589547]

>people still like this menu

[Anonymous No.2589557]

>>2589547
E-curse on you anon E-curses.

[Anonymous No.2589558]

>>2589536
THIS. The snow/fire/smoke/water menu filters were the best thing about zsnes.

[Anonymous No.2589562]

>>2589532
>Finally switch to higan, but it's against my will and I'm not happy about it.
>Being ass-blasted about using more accurate emulators
Why would anyone be upset about this?

[Anonymous No.2589563]

>>2589562
Maybe he regularly plays obscure SMW hacks that only work on ZSNES.

[Anonymous No.2589567]

>>2589562
I'm not the guy you're replying to but I only ever used ZSNES. It was my first emulator. I liked how it worked, I liked how it felt, I enjoyed it.

I don't use emulators anymore as I have most of the games I give a shit about on the SNES now, but everyone just fucking hates on ZSNES and it gets tiring. Go back and remember a time when ZSNES was your only reasonable option for emulation.

[Anonymous No.2589571]

>>2589532
http://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=5681

You could also use this.

[Anonymous No.2589575]

>>2589567
>Go back and remember a time when ZSNES was your only reasonable option for emulation.
I remember that time. That was over 10 years ago at this point. There are noticeably better emulators. Being mad you have to use something better is retarded.

[Anonymous No.2589584]

>>2589571
not OP, but I was trying to find that
thanks
The ZSNES interface is super cute.

>>2589567
ZSNES gets shit on because there's better. I can't even remember ZSNES being the only option, although that's because the first time I ever heard of a SNES emulator was when I found SNES9x.

[Anonymous No.2589626]

>>2589532
You are truly the biggest faggot on all the boards.

/b/ has nothing on you.

I can't believe someone is assblasted about using an objectively superior emulator.

[Anonymous No.2589732]

I doubt anyone is still in this thread, but would it be possible to emulate an older version of windows and then use Zsnes inside that?

[Anonymous No.2589746]

i always used zsnes over snes9x because i preferred its design

[Anonymous No.2589760]

>>2589532
Well enjoy it while it lasts pirate scum

http://www.myce.com/news/windows-10-updates-can-disable-pirated-games-and-unauthorized-hardware-76883/

thieves are getting their just desserts

[Anonymous No.2589767]

>>2589732
i dont see why not use Virtual Machine

[Anonymous No.2589776]

>>2589746
It's really pretty.

[Anonymous No.2589783]

>>2589547
>>2589532
I love that menu. Large, easy to read font size for my weary insomniac eyes.
Also, like the OP, I also have a still working SNES and CRT TV for authenticity.
>Throwing away your childhood and teenage memories
>Selling your childhood and teenage memories to gamestop for $5 store credit
Why would you ever do that?

[Anonymous No.2589792]

>>2589532
>Windows 10

[Anonymous No.2589852]

Hallelujah.

There are only two arguments on using ZSNES, of which only one is actually logical.

1:
>But I like it!

2:
>It can generate ZST files, sometimes useful for ROM hacking.

[Anonymous No.2590003]

>>2589532
Get bZSNES

http://www.emutopia.com/index.php/downloads-emulators/item/290-nintendo-snes-sfc/380-bzsnes

[Anonymous No.2590028]

>>2589852
save state files can be edited from any emulator.

snes9x uses gzip compression. That's probably thown you off

[Anonymous No.2590052]

Are there other emulators that don't work on w10?

[Anonymous No.2590101]

Drama about emulation is really fascinating to me, it's hilarious how personally people take it. There are actually people who hate on bsnes/higan because they hate byuu for whatever reason. Now we even have snes9x and higan with a ZSNES interface so you're being spoonfed as fuck, but you still pine for a "nostalgic" experience of inferior emulation.

You cant make this shit up.

[Anonymous No.2590102]

>still using zsnes
>when there are much better alternatives
>and when ZMZ exits(snes9x with zsnes UI)
Also theres exploit which allows ROM file to fully access your PC, with just opening ROM via zsnes(any version, even on Linux):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOYneC7mU

[Anonymous No.2590107]

>>2589532
I won

[Anonymous No.2590110]

Rest in piss. Maybe now everyone can move on to better emulators.

[Anonymous No.2590118]

Windows 10 is a security hazard. You cannot even turn Windows Updates off, as it will turn itself back on shortly.
Never let anyone using Windows 10 on your wifi either. They'll openly hand out access to it over social media by accident.

[Anonymous No.2590127]

>>2589532
Another reason never to upgrade to the worst OS of all time.

[Anonymous No.2590130]

>mfw I realize this whole thread is about feeling nostalgic for ZSNES
>outdated ten year old emulator
>that in itself is a form of retro
>ZSNES is actually retro gaming

[Anonymous No.2590178]

I used ZSNES until it fucked my Seiken Densetsu 3 game up by freezing at a certain point midgame. Fuck that shit.

Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOYneC7mU

[Anonymous No.2590184]

>>2590130
Holy shit. I've had zsnes for ages on my dos machine. How meta-meta-retro is that?

[Anonymous No.2590195]

>>2590118
Sauce on this bit of text from the infographic? Most things up to that point appears to be sourced from the OS itself, but this red text is clearly added in by the guy who threw this all together. What is the basis of that bit of text?

[Anonymous No.2590204]

>>2590195
It was directly under their privacy statement. But it seems they've removed it since. Can't find anything but blog posts quoting it when searching now.

[Anonymous No.2590226]

>>2590101

I never got why you should ever use sth. lese than SNES9X. plays everything you throw at it visually pretty much perfect. May internally not be really that accurate and use tricks but who the fuck cares?

Also still got my ZSNES for nostalgic reasons. It served well for years, I an not now simply kicking it off the system.

[Anonymous No.2590239]

I'd like to interject and point out that ZSNES still works on GNU/Linux.
Even though Retroarch and Higan are better.

[Anonymous No.2590247]

>play LttP on ZSNES in 2003
>enjoy it immensely, play to completion
>mention this casually years later
>get told to kill myself because what i played wasn't an accurate representation of the real thing

[Anonymous No.2590256]

>>2589852
If some emulator runs the games I care about good enough for me, then I don't need to change. I don't care about anything else, and I don't like to upgrade stuff all the time. I'd still use ancient 90's versions of OS if I didn't need drivers for my laptop. I'd still use Mosaic or Netscape 3 if they worked in enough websites. They would use less resources and run on old hardware too, just like those old emulators.

[Anonymous No.2590295]

>>2590101
The thing about emulation drama that fascinates me is that people genuinely care about and mock other people's choices.

Like, I used ZSNES for untold fucking years. Never changed it up, because it works fucking fine, plays everything I wanted to play, let me do whatever the fuck I wanted, honestly. But for YEARS< people have raged and gotten all ruffled because of my choice there.

OK, so snes9x is more accurate and even newer ones are even better. Um, OK... Why the fuck should I care? I'm currently playing my SNES games on a laptop with a 360 controller. Accuracy CLEARLY isn't a big factor for me, or any of us. As long as the emulator runs the games, then who gives a fuck?

It's like the fucking N64 thing. Project 64 actually runs the goddamned games better than original hardware does, but autists get assblasted because it's not "accurate". Well guess what. the N64 was a shitty console, and original specs are SHIT. Project 64 allows many of the N64's games to be playable in any form. Get the fuck over it.

IF you morons ranting and raving about accuracy care THAT much, then stop emulating!

And FYI, I only finally switched to snes9x because my laptop and zsnes don't get along. Basically, it's a chore to get the fucking thing to find the fucking rom directory, snes9x's rom directory interface is just simpler and easier, which it the ONLY reason I switched.
I could give literally zero fucks about accuracy.

[Anonymous No.2590296]

>>2590118
The thing is, isn't all that applied only when you use Windows with your Windows account activated?

[Anonymous No.2590296,1]

>works fucking fine
>my laptop and zsnes don't get along

[Anonymous No.2590326]

zsnes is probably the least compatible of all the major SNES emulators at the moment. If snes9x is compatible with Windows 10, then that may be your best bet.


>>2590239
>RetroArch is better

RetroArch is not an emulator. It's a front-end for third-party emulation cores. How is it "better" if you're just using it to load the zsnes core? It's going to perform just as poorly and have the same accuracy issues. Tacking a different front-end onto zsnes won't magically make it more compatible or emulate more cycles.

Whoever keeps trying to spam RetroArch is an idiot. At least the Retron meme was actually funny.

[Anonymous No.2590332]

>>2590326
>ZSNES
You just lost all credibility.

ZSNES does not have a libretro port because it is substantially made up of x86 assembly which makes it an unattractive target for cross platform emulation.

[Anonymous No.2590338]

>>2590296
The only thing that requires a Windows Live account is sync. Everything else works without one.

[Anonymous No.2590343]

>>2590028
My point was that many ROM hacking tools, namely Tile Molester (a graphics editor), can read a palette directly from a ZST save state.

[Anonymous No.2590349]

>>2590343
>Tile Molester (a graphics editor)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.2590378]

>>2590343
A bunch of other tools do that as well. vSNES springs to mind.

I suppose it's easier for ZSNES save states because even when it was still being updated, releases were quite far apart. The save state format it used was fairly set in stone as well.

The bsnes author was asked numerous times in the past to use a format that was somewhat predictable, or at least use something stable. That was met with flat out refusal, the reason being something about things changing so much with each new revision. It wasn't very convincing regardless.

bsnes has always been a bit finicky about that stuff. In its early days it was claimed the emulation style made save states impossible, which later was proven to be false. Then at 074 everything that wasn't directly essential to the emulation core was ripped out, the whole "this is now my personal emulator and I don't want save states, hotkeys or a fullscreen mode" phase.

[Anonymous No.2590437]

>>2589783
wow, an emulator for insomnia! what's next, an emulator for autis--oh right higan

[Anonymous No.2590441]

>>2590437
whao man u better slwo down the epic train their someon might get hurt

[Anonymouse No.2590503]

Things I like:
>ZSNES
>SNES 9X
>Project 64
>ANY EMULATOR THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF GAMES

Some do it better than others. ALL were created for the greater good.

>"But waaaahhhh, waaaaaahhhh! I don't leik a emulaterr cuz the 1 i use iz better!!!11one" "Why u use it??!?!??"

...because fuck you, that's why.

[Anonymous No.2590536]

>>2590503

Chill out. Nobody's insulting people who write less-than-accurate emulators. They're just saying they wouldn't recommend them. I don't recommend zsnes because it has low compatibility, and newer games with special chips tend to crash. How does merely pointing out a factual flaw in a piece of software amount to being a raging asshole?

[Anonymous No.2590559]

>>2590536
Sure it has lower compatibility than the likes of bsnes or Snes9x, but it's still pretty good for what it is. It's definitely a better SNES emulator than most N64 emulators out there.

>newer games with special chips tend to crash
Do they?

SA-1 games do, but that was a regression introduced in 1.51. The previous release didn't have that problem. Never heard of a SuperFX or DSP-1/2/3/4 game crashing in ZSNES either.

As for other special chips, it doesn't support most of the obscure ones to begin with.

[Anonymous No.2590573]

There's nothing wrong with using ZSNES on an ancient computer. It will work good on shitty specs and that's its shtick.

All people are doing is telling dudes who run it on modern hardware that there's no reason to do it whatsoever. You can have the same interface. You don't have to run Higan accuracy core, I run perfomance on my mediocre laptop, and that's still light years ahead in compability.
People are afraid of change and feel assaulted, so accurate emulators are deemed "autistic" which is a terrible way to insult all the great work people have put in so we can all play thousands of console games.

Use your ZSNES if it means so much to you, but if your response to newer emulators is "whats the fucking point all the games worth playing work in zsnes lol" you're a fucking retard deserving of mockery.

[Anonymous No.2590589]

>>2590573
This is the biggest part of the problem. People who play SMW, ALttP and Metroid all day on ZSNES without any problems get derided for not using emulators that are not considerably better for a large number of games.

Someone who has had ZSNES sitting around for 10+ years isn't going to be bothered by minor shit either. If they do encounter a game they want to play that has problems, that's when they'll start looking at other options.

I jumped ship to bsnes when the Der Langrisser translation came out in 2008.

[Anonymous No.2590601]

I never actually owned any SNES games as a kid, my uncle just hooked me up with an early build in the late 90s and a bunch of ROMs. I'm nostalgic as fuck about ZSNES. For me it feels a lot more retro than playing the games on the system itself.

Back when the emulator was new it couldn't handle transparencies very well, they would just make the screen pitch black. It would also occasionally reverse all the color for no reason.

Good memories.

[Anonymous No.2590761]

>>2590601
BLOG TIME.
I didn't have an SNES myself, but my grandparents did. The little taste of playing games over there led me to look for some way of getting them at home. Well, indirectly.
I was actually at the library looking up information on Harvest Moon (Yeah, I had that shit, it wash cash, literally when selling it later on) and found out about emulators by accident. Downloaded ZSNES and a few games to shove on a floppy and take home.
The home PC was rather crappy 6 year old Win95 machine. No internet. Mostly just for office use, but no one really used it. Getting it off my parents was easy, and I got to keep it in my room (!!!), so yeah.
ZSNES was always my favorite program on that computer. Even moreso than Fallout or SC2k, which is quite impressive. Just being able to run games at like 2-5x speed and being able to use a nice keyboard felt crazy.

So I do feel nostalgia for the program and have good memories, yeah. But using it nowadays is just downright silly.
Then again, I've always hated its interface. Sure, it's smooth. But it's awkward, ugly, and quirky. Yeah, ugly. The snow is ugly.

[Anonymous No.2591073]

>>2590295
At least don't write like you're 14.

[Anonymous No.2591102]

>I switched to a terrible OS that tries to imitate a fucking tablet and is known to have multiple backdoors in it so Microshaft can do whatever the fuck they want to me

Hey anon, how about you look in the mirror and figure out what the real problem is.

[Anonymous No.2591117]

>using zsnes in 20-motherfucking-15
I know you're all hopeless fucking nostalgiafags but come the fuck on

[Anonymous No.2591120]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOYneC7mU

[Anonymous No.2591137]

>>2591120
Important to note that this is exploit happens through via SA-1 emulation. There hasn't ever really been a lot of attention given to the special chips in hacks or homebrew except for the retards who think developing such things would be amazing, so the chance of someone get struck by this are close to zero. It's wishful thinking at best.

It'd be a bigger problem if a similar exploit were found in the main CPU emulation.

If someone made an actual game or hack that utilizes the SA-1 chip then included this exploit just to fuck with ZSNES users, that's just you being a total dick.

[Anonymous No.2591171]

OP here. After some investigation, I've found that ZSNES, ZMZ, Kega Fusion, and VBA are all suffering because of Windows 10's handling of video (I don't know why, maybe it's bad DirectDraw support or something stupid like that)... so, back to Windows 7 it is.

ZSNES lives... for now.

[Anonymous No.2591180]

>>2591171
I heard about someone who had a problem with ZSNES + Windows 10. They fixed it by disabling the automatic DPI scaling thing in the .exe properties.

[Anonymous No.2591218]

>>2589532
>using Windows 10

Well, there's your problem.

[Anonymous No.2591219]

>>2590761

You can just turn the snow off AND TURN ON DA FYYYAAAA

[Anonymous No.2591246]

Where are people getting that ZNES is inaccurate from? Seems totally fine to me.

[Anonymous No.2591248]

>>2591246
>.jpg

lol, you sound like you know what you're talking.

[Anonymous No.2591252]

>>2591246
>293x229

Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2591253]

>>2591246
>ZNES

Okay, this is fucking brutal. Each time I post I discover something else wrong with you.

[Anonymous No.2591264]

>>2591248
>>2591252
Does this trigger a little less?

[Anonymous No.2591270]

>>2589532
>You bastards finally did it

You realize /vr/ didn't write windows 10 or make force you to upgrade, right?

[Anonymous No.2591428]

>>2591102
>i like to pretend to be smart by using linux, but i actually had to look up more than 20 tutorials this years alone to figure out how to configure the simplest of things, how to access the most redundant of GUI's, or simply to get my games to run barely played on wine

>but secretly, when my friends aren't at my place, i just dual boot my win7 to play my favourite rpg without frame stuters

[Anonymous No.2591431]

>>2591171
I figured I'd ask, but what are your PC specs? I keep seeing people with issues in various games on Win10, but the only real connection I've seen is they're all NVIDIA users, but according to a friend of mine that issue was fixed.

I'm just asking because I'm curious. Everything has been running the same or better on my 7950, so I just want to see if it's a running theme or I'm just lucky.

[Anonymous No.2591436]

>>2591270
DOS 10 was my idea.

[Anonymous No.2591442]

>>2591431
To add on top of this, just for shits and giggles I decided to try zsnes on Win10 on my machine, and outside of using zsnes, I didn't see any issues. No weird scaling problems or anything wrong with controls or sound outside of the norm.

[Anonymous No.2591446]

>>2591246
>ZNES
Z N
comfy to know im not the only one that instinctively mispells it as "zeenehs"

>>2589767
>>2589732
wtf, don't emulate inside an emulation, it's like you ppl want the world to end like the matrix or inception

>>2590536
spot on, at some point the whole concept of an anonymous discussion being that you didn't have to worry about your choice of words, and didn't feel the need to repel any offense since you have no name to defend, became quite the opposite, where whiners complain whenever surly language is used, more than at regular forums, because whiners don't have a name to be tainted by their incessant whining

[Anonymous No.2591486]

>>2589558
Mah nigga. I wonder if I still have my old copy of 1.36 with the custom color scheme I applied.

[Anonymous No.2591518]

>>2589547
Nigga it got snowflakes.

[Anonymous No.2591556]

>>2590118
But think of the children!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TCj40IZHdk

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.2591562]

>>2590343
>Tile Molester
>Tile Molester
>Tile
>Molester

Who in the unholy name of FUCK thought that would be a good name for a graphics editing program?

[Anonymous No.2591574]

>>2591562
clearly someone that isn't burdened by such a cushioned life that they didn't think a word attached to some negativity would bring even a pause to anyone using their sotfware

[Anonymous No.2591576]

>>2591562
There was also an NES emulator called nesticle with an icon that lives up to the name.

[Anonymous No.2591581]

>>2591576
Not surprised, tbh. Way too much exism in the tech industry, smh.

[Anonymous No.2591582]

>>2591562
You should see a the rapist lady. *tips privilege*

[Anonymous No.2591590]

>>2591574
To be honest, a name like isn't very reassuring and doesn't speak well of its author. This has nothing to do with "cushioned life.", more like proper etiquette.

OH but what am I saying, silly me, I'll just call my next release "something" + "a word related to sex offender", actually I'll use just that!

Silly me, pardon my old and archaic ways, with a title like that I can now be sure that only the WORTHY will be using it.

What do they say about win-win, hey?

[Anonymous No.2591597]

>>2591556
not only are they calling having a picture re-shared a sexual abuse


>2 million children are sexually abused / YEAR

are you fucking telling me 2 million jailbaits posts nudes in social sites?... nah right? they are probably talking about 15yo girls who post bikini or lingerie selfies, then these pictures get saved and re-shared on the jailbait sites (not like theres more than a few thousand different persons on these photos)... but no... there are 2 million children being Sexually Abused on the internet every years, that's why we must collect your data. god i never figured microsoft to be such a caring company, richard stallman must be a closet pedophile that bearded freak

[Anonymous No.2591608]

>>2591581
by that logic, something that resembles vagina but isn't one, must be misandric

doralgina (comercial brand for Dipyrona pain medicina), fucking sexism everywhere

[Anonymous No.2591617]

>>2591590
Being savvy enough to pirate games means you're savvy enough to not be cunty over a program name.

[Anonymous No.2591619]

>>2591617
Infact that's why I apologized for my misconception, I'll be following suit and I can only hope that the rest of the scene will follow suit!

Savvy?

[Anonymous No.2591628]

If ZSNES could handle Star Ocean and Seiken Densetsu 3 without throwing a fit, I'd still use it. Solely because the GUI is comfy as fuck. But it can't, so I use SNES9x across all platforms for consistency, it just works and doesn't have the air of forever alone about it that bsnes/higan does.
I also conversed with byuu on the ZSNES forums a while back, whilst I admire his commitment and intellect, dude is kind of an elitist dick.

[Anonymous No.2591630]

The ZNES is the VHS of emulators, obsolete, but some people still love it.

[Anonymous No.2591632]

ZMZ has the same interface as ZSNES and is far more accurate. There's no reason to use ZSNES anymore.

[Anonymous No.2591641]

>>2591562

Someone with a sense of humor who named it exactly for that reason to make people go "dat's inappropriate!1"

I really like the name, it's funny.

[Anonymous No.2591645]

>>2591562
Same kind of people who name a NES emulator Nesticle and an image editor GIMP.
Nerds of the purest, most wonderful variety.

[Anonymous No.2591660]

Can't wait until someone's who's actually been molested uses TileMolester, that oughta be something.

[Anonymous No.2591681]

>>2591660
It's fine, there are no sentient tiles so none can actually the software that might shatter their delicate minds.

[Anonymous No.2591710]

>>2589532
>ZSNES doesn't work right under Windows 10.
>Windows 10

There's your mistake.

[Anonymous No.2591712]

>>2591681
It's important to keep molestation fresh in the victim's mind. Putting Tile in the title makes it ok and is also funny, as many have noted above.

[Anonymous No.2591725]

>>2591660
I've been molested, and it was nothing.

Yeah, I get that it was an attempt at a cheap word gag (le lol), but I thought it was weak, so I decided to try and make it awkward instead. Did it work?

[Anonymous No.2591727]

>>2591725
>I've been molested
>Yeah, I get that it was an attempt at a cheap word gag (le lol),

It's ok, it's not your fault you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.2591731]

>>2591246
I just want to tell you that I appreciate you.

[Anonymous No.2591908]

>>2590295
ZSnes runs the games like shit, though.

[FremenDar !!vvS9VrP1Qkl No.2591979]

I still use ZSNES in fullscreen mode, no filters, 1920x1080 with pillarboxes/correct OAR, and with a 360 wired controller mapped out to the SNES controller configuration.
But won't downgrade to Windows 10 and will stick with Windows 7 Ultimate x64.

[Anonymous No.2591992]

>>2591979
>no filters, 1920x1080
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.2591996]

>Using ZSNES
>Has an exploit that can be used to install malware
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOYneC7mU

[FremenDar !!vvS9VrP1Qkl No.2592001]

>>2591992
I hate filters and the screen isn't stretched in 5x4 with pillarboxed mode on.
I wouldn't ever use any DNR or EE on any of the custom Blu-rays I burn either.

[Anonymous No.2592154]

>>2591630
lol what a cuck
you are beta to the max

[Anonymous No.2592159]

>>2591996
fucking jap programmers in the 90s putting malware in their games knowing zsnes would have been exploitable in year 2015. I must admit I'm impressed

[Anonymous No.2592225]

>>2591979
>ZSNES in fullscreen mode, no filters, 1920x1080 with pillarboxes/correct OAR, and with a 360 wired controller

[Anonymous No.2592228]

>>2592225
>chronic autism

[Anonymous No.2592248]

Who iNES here?
http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/

I used this for a really long time. Anyway there wasn't much else in early Linux days.

It looks like there's still no source code for this thing, after all this years.

[Anonymous No.2592276]

>>2592154
Nice one, dude. Where can I high five you?

[youngster No.2592298]

>>2592154
i wouldnt be surprised if some retards made a general about retro emulators some day

hey even i feel a bit nostalgic about NeoRageX

[Anonymous No.2592463]

>>2592159
You do know that you can alter rom dumps, right?

[Anonymous No.2592467]

>>2591996
>it opens up byuu's accuracy matters article

Topkek

[Anonymous No.2592494]

I don't understand why a retro board would get upset about what is basically a retro emulator at this point

[Anonymous No.2592508]

>>2592494
>I don't understand why a retro board would get upset about what is basically a retro emulator at this point

It's a combination of things: ROM hackers (who are generally associated with the emulation scene) are autists and demonstratively can't socialize with others without being hypersensitive, /vr/ tends to fire back at all the RetroArch / Retron / Kickstarter shills disrupting the board with their spam all the time, and /vr/'s recently more lax moderation has resulted in an overall increase in trolling these past few weeks.

Bringing up the topic of emulation on /vr/ is like running in a Southern Baptist church during Sunday evening service and shouting "HOMOSEXUAL NIGGER ATHEISM." Several people will get triggered.

[Anonymous No.2592542]

>>2592248
Fuck yeah I used iNES for years because at one point it was the only capable NES emulator at the time for Mac OS.
What bothers me the most, though, is that iNES (at least the Mac OS 9 version) had a feature that no other emulator I've ever used has had –a hotkey to start dumping music. Now, I know what you're thinking, every goddamn NES emu can dump NSF. However, this "dump music" feature actually made a MIDI on-the-fly. No clue how they did it. It couldn't make NSF at all, for that matter.

[Anonymous No.2592552]

>>2591660
I've been molested and I still use Tile Molester.
I've also tried Tile Layer Pro, and YY-CHR (and GGD to some extent, and while it can't directly EDIT them, it's good if you only need to RIP graphics) but Tile Molester is absolutely the best tile/graphics editor. I know it gets a lot of shit for being Java/Swing but to be fair once it grows on you you'll never go back.
But seriously who gives a shit about the name.

[Anonymous No.2592569]

>>2592552
>I've been molested and I still use Tile Molester.

Protip: you're still being molested by simply using that living java hell. How are TLP and YY-CHR? I know they're supposed to edit tiles but I'm looking for a raw non-planar solution which doesn't reach TM's levels of retardation (and furthermore doesn't use java). Got something for me?

[Anonymous No.2592592]

>>2592508
>RetroArch / Retron / Kickstarter shills
>lumping RA with all those other things

Don't you know RA is against kikestarter bullshit shilling and clone consoles stealing open source emulators? They're the ones taking the forefront of criticizing those things.

[Anonymous No.2592763]

>all this talk about tile molester

>>2592542
there's actually a nsf2mid
works about as well as one would expect, kind of okay

[Anonymous No.2592797]

Higan only works if you install some malware called "Direct X".
ZSNES works without it.

[Anonymous No.2592891]

>>2589532
ZSNES is a pile of shit. That being said, windows 10 should technically run it. Though win10 is a complete pile of shit worse than 8 was and fucks up a lot of compatibility and shit.

[Anonymous No.2593023]

>>2592569
TiledGGD, but that shit's .NET C# bullshit

[Anonymous No.2593025]

>>2592797
So does NO$SNS. There's
NO EXCUSE
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[Anonymous No.2593037]

>>2590184
about as retro as using DOS. not meta-retro at all because in the DOS days SNES wasn't retro.

[Anonymous No.2593052]

>>2592569
what about linux users?

[Anonymous No.2593073]

>>2592228
Well a sign of autism is having a hard time switching to new things so yeah I'd say ZSNES fans are pretty autistic.

[Anonymous No.2593083]

>>2593025
>NO$SNS

Probably the most dead on audio out of the box, I don't know why I can get SNES9x to sound just like the console.

[Anonymous No.2593094]

>>2593083
>I can get
*can't

[Anonymous No.2593164]

>>2593083
SNES9x suffers from audio sync problems like almost all emulators. There is no real solution except:
1) Manually adjusting the input frequency to the refresh rate of your monitor
2) Using RetroArch which has dynamic rate control.

[Anonymous No.2593246]

>>2589532
>ZSNES doesn't work right under Windows 10.

What exactly is the problem, I ran a few games for about 20 minutes with no problem.

[Anonymous No.2593270]

>>2589760
I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not

[Anonymous No.2593274]

>>2591171
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2593461]

>>2590118
Just set your connection to metered, you schizo.

[Seyyid !Csb7mH3ofc No.2593648]

excuse the trip

>zsnes was last updated 8 years ago

[Anonymous No.2593672]

>>2593648
There are SVN build though. Not that they're worth a damn.

NeoRAGEx last update 16 years ago and some people still use it.

[Anonymous No.2593940]

>>2589746
because looks matter better than functionality

[Anonymous No.2594068]

>>2593940
Millions of applefags agree. Fortunately they don't matter.

[Anonymous No.2594236]

I grew up playing emulated game boy pokemon stretched to the full size of a pc monitor.

No fucks given.

[Anonymous No.2594297]

>>2593461
Right. Now how do you disable the automatic hard drive scanning without having it reenable itself? What about turning off the keylogger AT ALL?

[Anonymous No.2594298]

>>2589746
I always used 9x over zsnes specifically for the interface. God damn, the fact that people can stand ZSNES's confuses the hell out of me.

[Anonymous No.2594436]

>>2593461
You can't set an ethernet connection to metered, only wireless ones

[Anonymous No.2594682]

>>2591996
>malware
>opens byuu's website

aptly chosen

[Anonymous No.2594814]

>>2594682
It should search out all your sfc and smc files and automatically convert them to byuu's shitty game folder format and delete the originals. Now that'd be malware.

[Anonymous No.2594827]

>>2591576
haha thx, i had forgot about the emu. It was good

[Anonymous No.2594831]

>>2589532
I'm pretty sure we had nothing to do with ZSNES not working under windows 10

[Anonymous No.2594845]

>>2591576
not to mention that the pointer was also a severed with a bone sticking out of it and dripping blood, that thing was some edgy teenager's wet dream, I'm really glad that we don't see stuff like this in the emulation scene anymore.

>>2591581
first off, this is stupid
second off, what does the tech industry have to do with something made in some teenager's free time?

[Anonymous No.2594848]

>>2594845
severed hand*

[Anonymous No.2594862]

>>2594845
>>2591576
since, from the comments, I guess some people here actually don't know nesticle...

[Anonymous No.2594865]

>>2594862
>that glorious nesticle bastard and his lavatorial humor

Light hearted fun poking like that would be desmissed as edgy these days. Truly dark times.

[Anonymous No.2594868]

>>2594865
hate to break it to you, but it was dismissed as edgy back then too, it annoyed the fuck out of many people, we put up with it because it was the only thing we had.

[Anonymous No.2594875]

>>2594868
Guess I never met them back then. Good.
Most people just didn't gave enough fucks to be offended at a piece of software.

[Anonymous No.2594879]

>>2594875
I don't think anyone was actually "offended", just didn't share his juvenile humor... notice the word annoyed, not lived outcry of anger, there are states inbetween being ok with something and being angrily offended, though you people seem to not understand this.

[Anonymous No.2594885]

>>2594879
>you people

You people??

[Anonymous No.2594898]

Zeesness

[Anonymous No.2594901]

>>2594814
>byuu's shitty game folder format

jesus christ does he still hang onto that retarded shit

[Anonymous No.2594935]

>>2593164
>dynamic rate control

People recommend this all the time. It's an interesting technique but it sounds absolutely horrible to me.

[Anonymous No.2594937]

>>2594901
not really, since he has stopped development of that emulator all together

[Anonymous No.2594939]

>>2594935
>sounds absolutely horrible to me.

How? It's the best you can get when it comes to emulation.

[Anonymous No.2594945]

>>2594935
It works incredibly well. That's why people recommend Retroarch over standalone emulators.

[Anonymous No.2594954]

>>2594845
>not to mention that the pointer was also a severed with a bone sticking out of it and dripping blood, that thing was some edgy teenager's wet dream, I'm really glad that we don't see stuff like this in the emulation scene anymore.

That's nothing worse than you see in Doom or other such game.
In fact, it seems now they even want more of it than before (Brutal Doom and other mods like that). And almost everybody is loving that stuff. (not me, I don't play FPS anymore, but whatever, it's just an observation)
I think it's just nothing to take so seriously... Maybe in fact it's better if some software have a personality instead of the bland, boring "professional" shit where every "app" looks the same fucking thing.

[Anonymous No.2594960]

>>2594939
It's hard to describe, like some sounds don't sound sharp enough or something. It's very slight, but it bothers the shit out of me when I notice it.

I thought for a long time it was just my imagination. There's a blind test plug-in you can get for Foobar2k that lets you test this sort of thing by listening to stuff and trying to determine which was which. I took ten different games; five I've had and played since I was a child that I know back to front, and five games I don't know nearly as well. I recorded the output from RetroArch and my real SNES with an SD2SNES and ran them all through the plugin. For the five games I knew very well, I managed to pick the real SNES version every time. For the other ones I was only 1/5, and I think that was just luck from choosing at random. Take from that what you will.

AFAIK, the actual benefit of the dynamic resampling thing isn't anything to do with how it sounds, but to do with syncing the audio output with the video output together to avoid clipping.

[Anonymous No.2594963]

>>2594960
The output is identical to a real snes besides it being a sharper output due to it being digital. It's in your head.

[Anonymous No.2594965]

>>2594960
Did you try a different audio driver? Switching from direct sound to xaudio might help.

[Anonymous No.2594968]

>>2594963
I've considered that, but I'm not really convinced one way or the other. I know for certain I definitely can't tell the difference for the majority of stuff.

>>2594965
Thanks, I'll remember that if I ever do it again.

[Anonymous No.2594969]

>>2594960
>>2594968
In case anyone brings it up, it was all done with the bsnes core.

[Anonymous No.2595004]

>>2589547
makes me feel like i'm hacking the computer system in Jurassic Park while being vetted to join The Matrix

outstanding/10

[Anonymous No.2595035]

Is accuracy something noticeable to casual retro gamers? Like, aside from a few glaring effects ZSNES can't handle that you'll notice once in a blue moon if you play it regularly, what am I supposed to be looking for? Is it like Yify 1080p rips where serious cinemaphiles notice the poor sound quality and artifacts of over-compression, whereas the vast majority of people just wanting to watch Battle of the Five Armies can't tell the difference?

[Anonymous No.2595040]

>>2595035
Can you spot the inaccuracy here?

[Anonymous No.2595042]

>>2594845
>not to mention that the pointer was also a severed with a bone sticking out of it and dripping blood, that thing was some edgy teenager's wet dream, I'm really glad that we don't see stuff like this in the emulation scene anymore.

>campy gore in retro games = awesome!
>campy gore in retro emulators = how immature!
what??

[Anonymous No.2595052]

>>2595035
Audio/Video sync and input lag are generally the kook cinemaphile stuff of the emulation world. Many inaccuracies will be very noticeable to the average user. Some are a bit less noticeable. It really varies wildly.

[Anonymous No.2595056]

>>2595040
I've read about this on the bsnes forums. The plane is supposed to cast a shadow, right?

[Anonymous No.2595057]

>>2595056
Very funny

[Anonymous No.2595171]

>>2595040
Speed not found?

[Anonymous No.2595201]

>>2595040
>using inaccurate modes
>complaining about inaccuracy

[Anonymous No.2595202]

>>2595004
But were you able to get access into the mainframe?

[Anonymous No.2595206]

>>2594954
We really don't need to be insensitive without reason.

[Anonymous No.2595221]

>>2595201
Do you know what mipmapping is sir?

[Anonymous No.2595236]

>>2595221
Why yes, I do know what mipmapping is, and that on hardware rendering you have to interface the plugin to how the game achieves it so if the developers used their own ass backwards method you're out of luck, unless you activate software mode and just replicate what actually happens inside a PS2. Now pls go and stay go.

[Anonymous No.2595253]

>>2595236
But there is no ass backwards method. It literally isn't there. No mipmapping!

[Anonymous No.2595263]

>>2595201
>Wanting accuracy in PS2 emulation when PS2 games look ugly as sin without all that shit post processing removed

[Anonymous No.2595279]

>>2595253
Use software mode and come again. It doesn't have to be mipmapping.

[Anonymous No.2595594]

>>2594862
Always thought it was neat that a company who started with a shitty MK ripoff on PC paved the way for emulation during its early days.

[Anonymous No.2595608]

>>2595263
Hell game is that that can have that many entities on-screen?

[Anonymous No.2595661]

>>2589852
Yeah, basically I only use ZSNES if the hack or whatever else just will not work on anything else.

Otherwise I stick with SNES9X

[Anonymous No.2595683]

snes9x
mednafen

Jesus, don't switch from one pile of goddamn shit emulator to another. The above are actually good SNES emulators without being a completely broken pile of shit or autistic MUH ACCRACY clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.2595734]

Alright so I wasnt sure where to post this. Recently I sold most of my stuff cause I couldnt afford to collect anymore, and unfortunately needed the money. So here I am at emulation. I've used ZSNES and Snes9x and despite the framerate always displaying 60, the scrolling just doesnt.. look right. It's not really that smooth.

Am I imagining it or something? Like all my inputs seem off, even though there's no input lag after checking, and everything just seems wrong. Whats going on? Please help, I'm having an incredibly hard time with this transition.

Also I'd love to use ZSNES but what the hell, why does it have lag on parts where a real SNES and SNES9x dont? I dont have a shitty PC or anything.

[Anonymous No.2595742]

>>2595040
the terrain texture looks like a big autism jigsaw puzzle, what a mess

[Anonymous No.2595743]

>>2595052
wheel looks sharp AF

[Anonymous No.2596364]

>>2595608
Demon Chaos, a little known musou game

[Anonymous No.2596368]

>>2595742
Hopefully everyone else noticed that or I'd say normies really don't notice even glaring inaccuracies.

[Anonymous No.2596635]

>>2595263
>People are upset over fucking bloom?
Fuck yeah, I am. Why in the HELL would I want to simulate a focus defect that obscures visuals just to portray that the light is too bright for the output? The very idea is fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.2596713]

>>2595734
Try to turn on vsync.

[Anonymous No.2596716]

>>2595734

First of all switch to higan, ZSNES and snes9x are both deprecated.

[Anonymous No.2596724]

>>2596716
higan is also depreciated though

[Anonymous No.2596752]

>>2596716
Never going to happen while Higan insists on mandatory cartridge folders.

bsnes 073 is the last good standalone release. If you genuinely believe that the latest version is so much better, then at least use RetroArch and the bsnes core.

[Anonymous No.2597238]

Emulation users bitch about people who use real hardware. Emulation users bitch at other emulation users about particular emulators, going so far as to get bitch about using an accurate emulator.

>If you don't do things in my particular way, even if another method is more accurate to the real thing, you're stupid and/or autistic!

[Anonymous No.2597409]

>>2596635
>Why in the HELL would I want to simulate a focus defect that obscures visuals just to portray that the light is too bright for the output?
Because that's what's in the game and accurate to emulation. If you don't enjoy it, then play a different game. It's as simple as that.

[Anonymous No.2597423]

>>2597409
Some people probably just don't give a shit about emulator accuracy. I view emulators as a way to accurately reproduce the console, for the sake of preservation. ROM dumps serve a similar purpose, especially when it comes to rewriting or writing to new EPROMs for an improperly functioning arcade PCB.

[Anonymous No.2597427]

>>2597423
That's how I look at them, too. I'm not saying I'm a fan of overexaggerated bloom or anything like that, but the whole point is to try to mimic the hardware. If it fails at that, then what's the point?

[Anonymous No.2597459]

>>2596716
This one works the best out of all them I tried. My test game was Yoshi's Island since it's my fav and every emulator would either lag during normal gameplay or wouldnt lag, but look jittery and then slowdown like crazy during bossfights like burt the bashful, even though the SNES doesnt at all, at least not as much. And this one doesnt slowdown at all for me.

Thanks man

[Anonymous No.2598730]

>>2597409
Just because the graphics director or whatever is a fucking idiot for forcing in focus defects (With no option to disable them, since consoles don't often get options like that) doesn't mean the entire game is unplayable.
But bloom itself IS terrible, and I'd still like the option of enhancement in removing it if at all possible.