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decided to give this game a try. Is the combat system very hard to get into? What does /vr/ think of this game?

>> No.2299726

Not at all. If anything the game makes it too easy on you if you do things right.

/vr/ itself is divided between "it killed my favorite game" and "It's not perfect but it's pretty fun."

>> No.2299741

one of my favorite games, but i played it before Trigger though

>> No.2299764

Triggers better, still a good game

>> No.2300053 [SPOILER] 
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2300053

Best girl.

>> No.2300128

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>> No.2300134

>>2300053
She looks best when she's smiling.

>> No.2300139

>>2299720
You can bullshit your way through battles and still beat the game fairly easily.

>> No.2300147

>>2299720
Listen to the first 14 seconds of this a couple dozen times. If you're not irritated, you'll be okay.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cRkqWdE_Nd0

>> No.2300149

>>2300147
one of the worst battle themes ever.

>> No.2300234

Terrible battle theme, but excellent song otherwise...

>> No.2300253

>>2300053

It is just not right for any clown to be that fappable.

>> No.2300257

Kid is perfect and I love her

>> No.2300281

>>2299720
I gave up on it after a very specific plot point happened. I won't get into it to spare you a possible spoiler OP, but I was not at all impressed with Chrono Cross.

That being said, I have friend who really enjoy it (or at least did back in the day).

>> No.2300349

Radical dreamers is better

>> No.2300448

>>2299720
>Is the combat system very hard to get into?

No, you're given a very good tutorial at the beginning. Just pay attention.

>> No.2300621

game feels rushed

>> No.2300624

>>2300621
You can thank the budget running out for that.

Funnily enough, it was headed by an ex-Gainax employee.

>> No.2300656

>>2299720
Godly music, amazing settings, decent characters, abyssmal plot, mediocre combat system.

For what it was I had a good time with it. Only beat it once, at release, but I go back and dabble now and then.

Definitely keep up with what you're doing. You can choose your party but certain choices lock out others and it's impossible to tell early on. Combat is kinda weird with the color system but it's not overly difficult to grasp.

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>>2300624

Yeah, but that's the thing: it's budget and Xenogear's budget both went to help finish Final Fantasy VIII, which _still_ managed to fail one of the basic tenants of storytelling: give the antagonist a reason for being a villain.

I'm serious. Go back through the game (if you dare!) and try to search for any reason at all for any of the bullshit Ultimecia does. You won't find any motivation whatsoever. The game is literally that much of an abysmal failure at producing anything of substance.

>>2300349

I've thought this ever since I first played the two. What little room there was for a sequel was filled in nicely by RD. When I play Chrono Trigger DS, I just ignore the extras entirely (I do wonder though if the bit with Dalton couldn't somehow be salvaged, though).

>> No.2300752 [DELETED] 

TRIGGER WARNING

>> No.2300872

>>2299720
Not OP here,

I gave up on the retarded combat system. I just spam X and do a few high powered spells here and there.

At The Grand Slam at the S.S. Zelbess currently.

>> No.2301725 [DELETED] 

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>> No.2301786

>>2299720
I played cross before trigger when I was like 12 and played trigger just last year. I liked cross much more, that's just me though.

>> No.2301798

>>2299720
Played it before Trigger. Still didn't like it.

>> No.2302090
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2302090

Played this thrice
Played Trigger 1.3 times
Played Radical Dreamers 11 times

I think they should've put part of Schala's speech at the beginning so people won't be so confused by the party member system. Like the NPCs in LoM, they serve as different viewpoints in the exploration of a theme.

Then again, most people didn't get LoM despite being told wtf the game is about right in the intro.

>> No.2302197

Probably one of the biggest games on PS1
Looks great with some of the memorable locations
One of the best soundtracks

Shit story that shit on Trigger
Lots of characters but most of them aren't memorable

>> No.2302257
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>>2302090
>Played Radical Dreamers 11 times

Only 8 times here, enough to watch all endings, though.

>> No.2302332

>>2302197
>Shit story that shit on Trigger
Top kek

>> No.2302425

>>2302257
Sunflower ending has three variations, and I think some other storyline has more, too.

>> No.2302702

>>2300668
>I'm serious. Go back through the game (if you dare!) and try to search for any reason at all for any of the bullshit Ultimecia does. You won't find any motivation whatsoever.
Uh... she wants to achieve time compression to escape her fate of being killed by a seed.

Final Fantasy VIII failed HARD in a lot of areas, but people who say Ultimecia had no motivation/character are the ones that still don't realize that Edea WAS Ultimecia for half the game.

>>2300349
Plotwise yes, I agree. RD handled things a lot better. CC messed things up by throwing every single loose CT end into the mix. Schala's fate was more than enough.

>> No.2302891

>>2300149
>>2300234
It picks up after the first few seconds. But yeah, the intro is way to quirky. Yasunori Mitsuda has done far better.

>> No.2302915

>>2302891
It sounds way better in Radical Dreamers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7687ikwhao

I think the extra instrumentation in CC is what kills it. It ends up making it sound way too shrill. Personally I think it's about the only inferior CC arrangement, it's just a shame that the bad one is the one you'll hear the most.

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>>2302257
>>2302425
Completionist here, do ending variations count towards the save file marks? The main scenario variations (with Serge/everyone dead) don't, but I'm wondering about the others.

>> No.2304245

>>2302702

>Uh... she wants to achieve time compression to escape her fate of being killed by a seed.

That's actually part of my point; how does "compressing all of time into a single moment" do jack shit but hasten her fate? There's even a small throw-away line from a scientist where he says something like "...What? WHY would Sorceress Ultimecia wish to do time-compression? ... ... ... Gah! We have no time for such useless questions right now!". To me, that right there is a tacit admission (coming as it does right before the last few hours of the game) by the script writers that even they realize their story no longer makes sense.

>> No.2304268

>>2304245
Well, in the context of FF8, and all the crazy shit thats going on at the time (Lunatic Pandora, Lunar Tear) it doesn't really matter "Why" what matters is how you're going to stop her.

I agree Ultimecia's motivations aren't really fleshed out, but FF8 is more about Squalls development. If you actually play and pay attention all the criticisms about FF8's story are usually grossly misplaced.

>> No.2304275

>>2299720

the combat is atrocious, but that's because it is disgustingly easy and slow.

CT was also absurdly easy but at least it threw a curve ball ever so often, and was pretty quick-paced.

all that being said, everything except for the combat is pretty sweet in CC.

>> No.2304289

>>2304245
>That's actually part of my point; how does "compressing all of time into a single moment" do jack shit but hasten her fate?
The problem with FFVIII isn't Utimecia's motivation (which is pretty laid out by her actions and words when she's Edea). It's Time Compression itself. It's never logical. "Details unknown". What we SEE is that when Ultimecia is compressing time she absorbs all of existence, and we're told this will ultimately allow her to remake existence to her liking. That's why she's doing it.

However we also see the "effects" of time compression as places blending over, weird surreal stuff happening, and towns being conveniently blocked out for you. And we're told emotions, friendship and the like can overcome time compression. It's a messy plot device that is never really laid out logically.

Which is why you might think that "all of time into a single moment" also includes the time of her death. But you ARE told this through the game:
>She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world. She, and no other.

BTW, the line you're referring to is
>Compressing time with magic... Vat good will it do for ze sorceress to compress time? There may be many reasons, but it doesn't matter. Let's just figure out vat Ultimecia is up to.
Which I think has more to do with not knowing how to write themselves out of "time compression" than not knowing what Ultimecia wants. Because what she wants is pretty clear.

>> No.2304296

>>2304221
No idea

>> No.2304829

I actually think the only valid criticisms in FF8 are the following:

>Switching to Laguna or having to split up your party usually fucks up your junction setups (sometimes without fucking telling you)

>Ultimecia's motivations are never really fully explained

>Ellones power is never explained (why she has it, its explained why it effects Squall and company specifically)
>Some of the plot devices (like GF removing memories) are kind of retarded

>Junction is explained once, early on, when you have no magic to fuck around with, its never really explained that you need to draw magic and such

>Upgrading weapons is a bit out there

Although honestly for the most part I think its one of the best Final Fantasies. The story is -not- bad contrary to what people parrot fucking everywhere. If you pay attention, to whats going on you will catch things:

>Garden staff enforce that Garden is strictly a for profit organization. They also seem to have control over Cid. Then NORG shows up and everyone cries "IT WAS OUT OF THE BLUE" when it really was hinted that there was something off with Garden from the very beginning.

Seriously give it another shot if you hated it the first time. Pay attention, grab enc-none asap and actually enjoy the game.

>> No.2304893 [DELETED] 

>>2304829
>I think its one of the best Final Fantasies

Why?

>The story is -not- bad contrary to what people parrot fucking everywhere

>terrible story that has at no point has even the faintest idea of what it is, where it's going, or what it wants to be
>the worst, most insufferable cast of unlikeable dipshits in any Final Fantasy game bar none
>not bad

>> No.2305428

>>2304829
what the fuck does this have to do with chrono cross?

>> No.2306093

>>2305428
Thread context

>> No.2308581 [DELETED] 

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>> No.2308641

>>2299720
Best game of all time to be perfectly honest with you.

Inb4 Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 fanbois

>> No.2308651

>>2299720
Good game but goes to hell in a handbasket on disc 2

when you're done with the game you'll only be confused as fuck about the Chrono timeline, I still can't piece all this shit together

also Serge is a better protagonist than Crono, fight me nerds

also fuck the ending of this game it sucks ass

>> No.2308653

>>2308581
>bumping on /vr/

>>2308641
We actually need more THPS threads. I haven't seen one in ages.

>>2308651
The ending was standard Gainax fare sans Tang, not surprising after the budget.