/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10720001]

Have you played FromSoftware's masterpiece?

[Anonymous No.10720017]

yeah i played cheetahman

[Anonymous No.10720080]

>>10720001
I did last summer, was pure kino and gave me a rare sense of adventure and exploration i haven't felt since dark souls 1, despite the map not being as good as ds1

[Anonymous No.10720112]

>>10720001
Goated series

[Anonymous No.10720278]

>>10720001
Yes I have played Armored Core: Last Raven

[Anonymous No.10720312]

Is this the one with sniper rifles and monster trucks

[Anonymous No.10720318]

>>10720001
Played it when it came out. Fantastic game and much more beginner-friendly than the previous games
Reminder that picrel was shat on by the media at the time

[Anonymous No.10720617]

>>10720318
That one is quite good but it kind of falls apart at the end. Most From Soft games do but that one is worse than average imo

[Anonymous No.10720620]

>>10720318
It definitely has a distinct feel from KF while still managing to progress on the gameplay style. Generally I'd pick I, II or IV (JP numbering) over this one

[Anonymous No.10721220]

Yes I have played KING'S FIELD 1 the greatest game they have made.
>first PS1 game ever
>also the best game

[Anonymous No.10721565]

Yes, I only played the series just in the past few years and I would say there is an incredible experience there largely due to level design, lore, atmosphere and music.
It feels like such a grand adventure despite not actually encompassing that much of an area, it felt much smaller than 3 for example.
What's funny is that I did not like it in the first hour because it was the slowest playing KF out of all the series and had some bullshit deaths early on but by the end I felt I had played something special.

[Anonymous No.10721809]

>>10720278 I'm still holding some hope for Chromehounds 2.. D:

[Anonymous No.10722304]

still gotta get round to it. played Shadow Tower: Abyss but dropped it after about 7 hours in, got too repetitive and the weapon degradation sucked. almost unparalleled atmosphere though

>>10720080
not retro but play Northern Journey, it starts off feeling and looking like jank but stick with it for an insane adventure

[Anonymous No.10722486]

I've only played II-IV. I'd probably order them IV > II > III, but they're all very close. IV definitely solidified Tsukasa Saitoh as my favorite FromSoft composer. I received my copy of Shadow Tower a few weeks ago, and I'm slowly working my way through it. So far, it might be on par with IV. I'm loving the degradation system. Seeing it in action is really making me wish IV's degradation and upgrade systems were a bit more meaningful.

I also played through Echo Night recently. Very cute and underappreciated, but not on the same level as KF.

>>10720080
I also played DS before KF. That sense of adventure you're talking about is the main appeal of both franchises for me, and I think they really captured it best with KFII. I think IV is the better game overall, as II is pretty rough around the edges. That said, II's level design is something else entirely. I'd highly recommend it if you haven't given it a shot yet.

[Anonymous No.10722539]

>>10720001
played 4, got hooked, and played the rest. did both shadow towers and eternal ring too. they're all great. well, eternal ring is REALLY fucked because you can tell they rushed it out so it could be a launch ps2 title. but still, it's got something i like about it still.

[Anonymous No.10722572]

I have to ask: Do any of the other games have teleporter mazes?

[Anonymous No.10722578]

>>10722572
II (JP) does, towards the very end. It's rather short, however.

[Anonymous No.10722584]

>>10722578
I know the first game has one too, and it fucked me up.

[Anonymous No.10723606]

>>10722572
No, not that I recall and I played 1-4.

[Anonymous No.10723620]

>>10722304
>Northern Journey
Seconding this. Such a soulful gameworld. A bit rough around the edges but there's nothing else like it. Love the Burzum-Esque soundtrack and the scary doll NPCs

[Anonymous No.10723824]

4 was the first KF I played, probably a mistake because I went back to the original jap Kf1 and I hated how flat boring and mazelike it was. Are any of the PS1 titles good compared to 4?

[Anonymous No.10723831]

>>10723824
I played 4 first as well but I loved 1. It has a refreshing naivety of design like those lost old flash games of 2010

[Anonymous No.10723846]

>>10723831
>2010 is old
>Implying flash games were good ever and it's not nostalgia goggles.

[Anonymous No.10723850]

>>10723824
I think II and III are both great, with II being a hair better. IV is my preference overall, but they're all very close in my mind.

If your issue is the visuals, try III or Shadow Tower.

[Anonymous No.10723859]

>>10723846
>2010 is old
It's been 14 years anon. All of that stuff is long gone. Call that what you like.
Taking a reductionist approach to game appreciation in order to feel like you've won an argument isn't very impressive either

[Anonymous No.10723880]

>>10723859
By 2010 flash games were already pretty advanced. It would make more sense if you said something like 2005 or 2006, but you just showed your age zoomie. Also "naivety of design" is a really sugarcoated way of saying sloppy unprofessional mess

[Anonymous No.10723885]

>>10723880
>"naivety of design" is a really sugarcoated way of saying sloppy unprofessional mess

Do you know what thread you're in?

[Anonymous No.10723901]

>>10723880
>sloppy unprofessional mess
Infinitely preferable to smoothed out formulaic nothing games like Final Fantasy or Metal Gear

[Anonymous No.10723907]

>>10720001
>>10720080
>>10722304
i tried king field games but have actually only really played shadow tower abyss the furthest because i really digged the disarming combat where you literally cut mobs hands and heads off. i want to get the sense of adventure and exploration but its harder than i thought, i tried the wizardry game on the ps2 but its turn based, any similar games?

[Anonymous No.10723942]

>>10723907
It'd help to know why you dropped the KF games. My immediate answer is Evergrace which is likely less accessible than KF to most people.

[Anonymous No.10723948]

>>10723942
>It'd help to know why you dropped the KF games.
only tried KF 1 and 4. i wasnt feeling 1 and didnt want to force myself through and 4 i dropped because there was this weird ghosting artifact happening while i was emulating which gave a headache.

[Anonymous No.10723954]

>>10723831
Well it was their very first game and the very first fully 3d fps for the ps1, if they knew the limitations of the hardware and their limits they would probably have done what other companies did and limit their levels to small chunks, make enemies into sprites, choose a top down view to limit how much has to be rendered or some other graphical easy path.
But the fact that they didn't let them create 2 and 3 which were properly realized versions of their first attempt and incredibly ambitious for the hardware, an large interconnected, open world with minimal loading. At a time when people were marveling at Tomb Raider 1 they had months prior already released KF3.

[Anonymous No.10723974]

>>10723948
The ghosting happens on real hardware as well.

If you got far enough into IV to start exploring the lost city, and you enjoyed that level design, try II JP if you can stomach its pretty ugly visuals. It has the best sense of adventure in the whole series, as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous No.10724027]

>>10723948
You should be able to minimize if not outright eliminate the ghosting by changing some of the settings. Don't remember which but many games have little guides for tweaking to get to your liking.
If you're using PCSX2 that is.
As for 1, it's the most bare bones one of them all, so you might want to start with 2 or 3.

[Anonymous No.10724703]

>>10720001
Do King's Field games reward drawing your own maps or are the maps too big?

I'm playing an indy game at the minute and I'm really, really enjoying the map making aspect of it, using it to smoothly navigate confusing as hell levels is really fun. Always meant to get around to King's Field but never got to it

[Anonymous No.10724709]

>>10724703
You usually get partial maps of some areas and a full map near the end.

[Anonymous No.10724775]

>>10724703
The mapping system varies from game to game. King's Field II and IV both have regional maps. These are filled out by default and, in my experience, are of limited use. King's Field IV also has an overpowered 3D map you can get at the very end of the game. However, it will be mostly useless by the time you can acquire it, outside of secret hunting. King's Field III has one main map that you get pretty early into the game. It starts out blank, and is filled in as you explore. I haven't played the first game, so I can't comment on its system.

King's Field II would be really hard to do handmade maps for due to it's extreme verticality. King's Field III's levels, on the other hand, are essentially flat, but map making is handled automatically. King's Field IV has II's shitty regional maps, and is substantially less vertical, so that might be where you'd want to start.

As an aside, I think Shadow Tower is probably the best King's Field engine game to try if you're interested in doing your own mapping. It has no in-game maps whatsoever, and its self-contained areas would be much easier to organize than the large, open worlds of KFII and KFIV.

[Anonymous No.10724817]

>>10724775
>>10724709
Damn

Does Shadow Tower become difficult to navigate if you don't take maps? I'm really enjoying the fact that I'm having to make the maps because of the crushing darkness

[Anonymous No.10724960]

>>10724703
KF1 rewards map drawing.
KF2 is a 3D haystack so it's impossible to draw one.
KF3 is a bit too basic to need it.
KF4 has similarily basic individual areas but it all forms a connected haystack on a massive scale where you will need to draw a flowchart over connecting areas rather.

[Anonymous No.10726407]

>>10723974
>>10724027
>>10723942
alright you guys got me, gonna try KF 4 again and i hope the get the adventure sense again that i got back in demons souls and ds1

[Anonymous No.10726424]

>>10726407
i died to that shitty lava trap again, still wild that fromsoft put a speed slider in echo night but not in kings field 4.

[Anonymous No.10726445]

>>10726407
https://github.com/xlenore/ps2-covers
Cover yourself up

[Anonymous No.10726570]

>>10720001
how do i get magic and how do i use my shield?

[Anonymous No.10726639]

>>10722539
should I start with I or go directly to IV?

[Anonymous No.10726641]

>>10726570
you get it by progressing and exploring

[Anonymous No.10726680]

>>10726641
are there builds in this game? can i purely magic or is it mix between meele and magic? should i get the morning star or can i get it while exploring? also how to get back durability?

[Anonymous No.10726695]

>>10726639
I saw give 1 a chance if you like how it looks and sounds. I think it's really fun to play all the way through.
>>10726570
Use crystals
>>10726680
You can up your strength and magic skill over time but getting better equipment and leveling up your equipment is so much more impactful that I would say that builds are not a thing in this game. You could max out one magic spell and one sword and hardly be better or worse off at magic or melee in general

[Anonymous No.10726698]

>>10726570
Shield just gives a flat stat boost, you can't block

[Anonymous No.10726702]

>>10726424
Kek they got you
Be more careful next time anon

[Anonymous No.10726704]

>>10726695
>Use crystals
2500 is too expensive
>>10726695
>better equipment and leveling up your equipment
oh i can upgrade my stuff?

[Anonymous No.10726710]

>>10726704
>oh i can upgrade my stuff?
Magic and weapons level up through use (100 succesful hits IIRC - same with leveling up mana or strength)
Magic is really fun to level up. Many weapons have secret attacks that are quite hard to execute

[Anonymous No.10726713]

>>10726704
>2500 is too expensive
You'll get some later if you explore enough and help do tasks

Some people like to level up unarmed strikes to lvl 3. Quite good dps but it takes 300 punches lol

[Anonymous No.10726717]

>>10726713
>You'll get some later if you explore enough and help do tasks
there was this old man by the church and i helped him by killing all the skeles and when i came back another skele killed him.

[Anonymous No.10726738]

>>10726717
Oh yeah lol that was fucked up

[Anonymous No.10726743]

>>10726717
I don't want to spoil too much. I think this first area you're at is really fun and rewarding to unravel

[Anonymous No.10726753]

>>10726680
You can't get back durability till half way into the game so don't rely too much on one weapon, yet. All weapons in the game can level up with use as does magic, so be aware of that and make sure are using the right weapon for the right enemy.

[Anonymous No.10726767]

>>10726753
>All weapons in the game can level up with use as does magic, so be aware of that and make sure are using the right weapon for the right enemy.
oh is that the slash and stab mean? i have only come across skeles, slimes, plants and short caterpillars?

[Anonymous No.10726774]

>>10726767
If you've played dark souls you'll be familiar with it already.

[Anonymous No.10726782]

>>10726774
i have always chosen the great club and bonked everything in sight.

[Anonymous No.10726828]

>>10726782
Clubs are not very good against softer enemies, they do way less damage because the stab and slash are much lower stats, you can often hear when you hit these enemies because they make a specific sound.
Just experiment and you'll figure it out because there is no equivalent to a great club in the game, all the weapons are much more subdued.

[Anonymous No.10726950]

>>10720001
Peak 3D Metroidvania

[Anonymous No.10727062]

>>10724817
Sorry, fell asleep.

I've played through all the games using only in-game maps, but it can definitely get frustrating at times (except in KFIII). Shadow Tower is full of winding hallways and warp points, so you'll definitely struggle without a map. You can use torches to temporarily give you a higher draw distance, but the game's unbuffed draw distance is very, very small.

>>10726407
Good luck! Definitely give it until the Ancient Forest or so before you decide to give up or not. The above ground section at the start is more tone-setting than anything. The level design becomes much more dungeon-y once you start descending.

>>10726680
The game's combat revolves around chaining hit stuns. Magic and melee need to be alternated to do this effectively, usually.

[Anonymous No.10727117]

>>10727062
>Good luck! Definitely give it until the Ancient Forest or so before you decide to give up or not. The above ground section at the start is more tone-setting than anything. The level design becomes much more dungeon-y once you start descending.
i think i softlocked myself, the elevator is not going back up and i dont have a pickaxe

[Anonymous No.10727153]

>>10727117
okay escaped, but bitch gave 0 thanks for giving her the rock of life

[Anonymous No.10727176]

>>10727153
Did you consider talking to the little girl who gave you the quest?

[Anonymous No.10727219]

>>10727176
yup on my way out i got fire magic but now suck after getting the vial from guy on top. i am trying to get the healing water and trying to put it in the foundation but shit isnt working. am i supposed to do something else to open the door?

[Anonymous No.10727235]

>>10727219
nvm burned the fire webs and going through a maze, is the ancient forest after the spider maze?

[Anonymous No.10727349]

patched the jap version of 1 and started playing, the controls are awful and these plants and spiders are fucking me up way too much, i think imma pass, although the atmosphere is nice and i would have been terrified of this if i played it as an 8 year old

[Anonymous No.10727403]

>>10727349
stick with it, you get used to the controls in like an hour. shits kinda comfy and it feels like ds1 all over again

[Anonymous No.10727785]

>>10726639
well since i played 4 first, i can say i feel like a bitch for not doing it in release order. but it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.10727926]

i sure did, it was the first game of theirs i played. it was $20 at gamestop. i got that, and the dumb platinum proshop whatever the fuck gamestop bonus thing that came with a year subscription to gameinformer. back in 2010

[Anonymous No.10728048]

>>10727785
I played 1 first because I never like jumping into a series half way in and I'm glad I did, I was able to thoroughly enjoy every one of them for what they were and was able to appreciate how they got better and better with each one.

[Anonymous No.10728075]

>>10727926
mein negro. IMO the only action adventure game that can match, maybe even top OoT. it isn't retro but it feels like it should be.

[Anonymous No.10728459]

>>10727926
The quality of this game is all over the place. It certainly has sovl which protects it from being slop but the mid parts keep it from being true ludo

[Anonymous No.10728870]

>>10727235
Not that anon but IIRC, no.

[Anonymous No.10729051]

>>10728870
currently stuck trying to figure out the stupid guadian puzzle maze thing

[Anonymous No.10729073]

>>10729051
what is this white thing?

[Anonymous No.10729076]

Is the King's Field (English Patched) PSX rom on CDRomance the one I should play?

[Anonymous No.10730150]

>>10720001
Never played nothing in this series. I want to test that KF IV. Is there any differente between the jap and usa version aside from the language?

[Anonymous No.10730152]

>>10729076
Yeah

[Anonymous No.10730158]

>>10730150
Before you play, know that KF IV is the slowest playing one in the series.
So if you are not a graphics fag then you should start with 2 or 3.

[Anonymous No.10730167]

>>10730158
I dont care about graphics, i'll look into that thanks

[Anonymous No.10730226]

>>10729073
A warp location, not till later does it come into play.

[Anonymous No.10730254]

Thanks to this thread I'm going to replay the game again.

[Anonymous No.10730851]

>>10728048
Hello Naotoshi

[Anonymous No.10730859]

>>10730254
I'm gonna give it several years before I play all 4 of them back to back again

[Anonymous No.10731528]

>>10730254
fat fuck never did get his sign clean

[Anonymous No.10731576]

>NOOOOOOO, i don't wanna be mushroooooms!

[Anonymous No.10732087]

>>10720001
I liked KF3 and Shadow Tower (ps1) more
KF4 is still really fucking good though

[Anonymous No.10732105]

I did

[Anonymous No.10732319]

>>10720318
>Reminder that picrel was shat on by the media at the time
It runs like shit on console. Even though I usually have a high tolerance for low frame rate, Shadow Tower really tested my patience. On DuckStation, if you overclock the CPU in the settings, the game runs fine and plays great. You can even configure the controllers to play with a keyboard and mouse, and it passes easily as an early '00s PC game.

[Anonymous No.10732396]

>>10732319
As far as King's Field engine games are concerned, Shadow Tower and Echo Night have, by far, the most consistent frame rates on real hardware (Launch PS2) in my experience. KFII JP was the worst, and it wasn't even close. ST and EN had really consistent frame rates for me, actually.

[Anonymous No.10734169]

>>10723824
1 is a straightforward dungeon crawler, 2 has an interconnected world, 3 is pseudo open world with dungeons. 2 and 3 are really good, I'd say 3 is better than 4.
it's a trilogy and the story is connected so play them in order if you want to play them