8BitDo M30

[Anonymous No.10302635]

How does this little guy compare to a SEGA Saturn controller and a SEGA Genesis 6-Button controller? Personally I find that it doesn't look as sleek, and it having smaller, almost non-existant, handles, and a smaller size, makes me worried... is this one good?

[Anonymous No.10302640]

>>10302635
I like it but Bluetooth has a bit of input lag so either pick the one with the dongle or use it plugged in

[Anonymous No.10302994]

>>10302640
I'll probably keep it plugged in most of the time really... is the Bluetooth delay too bad/noticeable though or is it still playable.

[Anonymous No.10302998]

>>10302994
It's noticeable once you see the difference

[Anonymous No.10303002]

>>10302998
I see, that's a shame...

[Anonymous No.10303004]

>>10302635
This one is pretty good. I have trouble finding Genesis controllers in good shape and this one of the only good third party controllers that I'd recommend at all. The d-pad and buttons feel good.
Maybe there's input lag, but I don't notice it. Not a genesis game, but I've used 8bitdo's adaptor and a wireless Playstation controller to beat games like Super Star Wars and DKC, so it hasn't stopped me from beating challenging games.

[Anonymous No.10303214]

>>10302635
It's lighter than an original genesis controller and the curved edges makes it feel very different.
The d-pad is a bit mushy, but apparently that can be fixed by putting a ball bearing underneath it. I haven't tried it though.

In general I don't think it's a bad controller. I've used it for a few 2D games and I didn't have any serious issues with it. But if you're expecting it to compare to original controllers then you might be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.10303360]

>>10302635
It's small, cheap, and flimsy, and uses a shitty microUSB connection.

It's not the worst controller ever, but I regret buying it

[Anonymous No.10303380]

>>10302994
Bluetooth is the only reason to buy this, if you're keeping it plugged in just go for the Retro-Bit USB controller instead, better yet just get the actual Genesis controller made for the Mini or the Switch

[Anonymous No.10303551]

I have the non Bluetooth one because it has less input lag and I even think it’s a bit cheaper. I like it.

[Anonymous No.10303578]

The 2.4g one has like 1ms lag and the Bluetooth one has like 6ms lag, both wired. If you pick the 2.4g one get the white color because that one's guaranteed to have USB-C instead of micro USB. Another thing is that there are button combos to do things like switch between DInput and XInput and have the Dpad register as an analog stick or an actual Dpad that aren't listed in the manual at all.

[Anonymous No.10303653]

>>10302994
>>10302635
just get the 2.4ghz version instead of the bluetooth one. problem solved.

[Anonymous No.10304075]

>>10303004
Sounds promising, I hope its as seamless as possible and that I can still play difficult stuff optimally and beat it.

>>10303214
I imagined it wouldn't compare to the SEGA classics, but as long as it gives me that arcade 6-button feel, it's fine.

>>10303360
How much smaller is it compared to the actual SEGA controllers? Do the buttons feel nice to press at least?

>>10303380
I really hope the input lag isn't too bad, out of the SEGA controllers available where I live, it's way cheaper to me.

>>10303551
>>10303653
>>10303578
I only found a discount for the bluetooth one, so it's the one I'm going for by default, hope it's not too bad...

[Anonymous No.10304218]

>>10303004
>have trouble finding Genesis controllers in good shape

Why not the retro-bit controllers then? They are identical to the OG six button.

[Anonymous No.10304294]

>>10304218
I bought the 8bitdo one quite a few years ago now and it has lasted and served well (very rare for 3rd party, they generally break fast). I don't generally recommend the brand, just sharing a good experience with their Genesis controller. Their SNES style ones are garbage in my experience. Fortunately I have two genuine SNES controllers in good shape, but I was messing around with the 8bitdos on Windows.

[Anonymous No.10304446]

>>10302635
Every time I see this controller it reminds me that it pretty much looks like the definitive classic Sega controller. Like this is what they would have came up with themselves eventually. I'd guess though had they known what the snes console specs and the controller were going to look like they'd probably have came up with the six button or maybe even a saturn like controller sooner.

Now yes this is just going on how it looks of course. I don't know how it actually plays in hand never have used it.

[Anonymous No.10304894]

It's better than the RetroBits. The D-Pad is pure sex. If you have old controllers you can donate the parts from, the RetroBits are good since the parts are interchangeable, but out of the box they feel pretty shitty.

[Anonymous No.10305708]

>>10304294
Hope I have the same good experience and that it lasts me a good and long while...

>>10304894
How are the RetroBit ones? Saturn and Genesis to be more specific, are the ergonomics just like the SEGA originals? Does it feel cheap in the hand? How are the D-Pad and buttons on it?

[Anonymous No.10305860]

It has been adequate enough for my 6 button needs.
I even use it for the pc decomps of sonic games.
Annoyingly the retro engine games don't pick up the D-Pad the same way as sonic 3 air though, so I do have to do a little mode switching when I switch between them, but I guess that's a plus for the controller compatibility that it can swap between the d pad being a d pad, left analog or right analog.

[Anonymous No.10306619]

>>10305860
How do you swap between these different modes?

[Anonymous No.10306660]

>>10306619
From the website
LEFT + Select : set Dpad as left analogue stick.
Up + Select : reset Dpad.
Right + Select : set Dpad as right analogue stick.
Down + Select : Swap A/B and X/Y mapping (on Switch mode only).
*Press and hold any of the key combinations above for 5 seconds to map the buttons.
*LED will blink in red to indicate the success of each button mapping.
*You need to reset the buttons manually.

[Anonymous No.10306725]

>>10306660
It's strange that this is on the website faq and not the enclosed instruction book.

[Anonymous No.10306927]

>>10302635
It sucks. The d-pad pretty much killed it, there's no real pivot in the center so games like Contra that make heavy use of diagonals will be badly hampered. If you crouch, you're more likely to activate diagonals when you didn't want to and walk into enemy fire. Shill reviewers make no mention of this issue either which is doubly frustrating...
I haven't used the Retro-Bit licensed Saturn pads but they might be better

[Anonymous No.10306943]

>>10302635
8BitDo doesn't have good Bluetooth, their 2.4ghz ranges from good to better than Bluetooth. Using a wired connection, the 2.4ghz M30 model is about 1ms lag. Sometimes, like with the Neo Geo CD controller, their 2.4ghz connection is better than wired.

>>10304218
The Retro-Bits have a worse pivot and there's a longer history of QC issues with them. They have the superior Bluetooth implementation but they don't produce those anymore.

>t. spent $250 and too much time on controllers in the past 6 weeks

[Anonymous No.10307343]

>>10305708
they are fine and have the same quality or better than the m30.
both are excellent choices, just the m30 has more features with more input lag while the wired retrobit one is pretty much lag free while having the issue of being wired.
don't buy the retrobit bluetooth, they cost too much and have issues with the dongles, i don't like to play wired so this isn't an issue for me.
the dpad is of the same quality with an edge for the retrobit tho.
the buttons on both will shit the bed by being conductive pads, be careful with them and buy on aliexpress 10 six button controller pads for the future.

[Anonymous No.10307348]

>>10306943
the pivot is ironically more accurate to the six button, the plastic pivot in them is pretty spot one to what a og six button is.
the pivot blame is caused by people picking the blue controller rather than the black one, the black controller has a pivot while the blue doesn't by the blue one being based on a real sf2 controller sold on the 90s with no pivot, making for an awful piece of shit for everything by not having a point of reference, this is bullshit but it isn't explained on any pages aside from testing the controllers by yourself and seeing that they put the effort on the most autistic of details on the worst way possible.
in general just get the black one which has a pivot which feels like the real 6 button thanks to having a real pivot and not the blue trash.

[Anonymous No.10307349]

>>10307348
the pivot on the black retrobit is good shit and is even better than the 8bitdo.

[Anonymous No.10307372]

>>10302635
Actually decent. I had one of their sn30 pro+ controllers and was very disappointed with it. The d-pad was trash. The m30 is a different story, I've been very pleased with it. I have the 2.4g version.

>>10306927
Interesting, because I've had no issue with that and I'm *very* fussy about accidental diagonals with d-pads. I don't know if they revised it or what. My only complaint with the d-pad is that it's slightly too mushy.

[Anonymous No.10309123]

>>10306927
>>10306943
>>10307343
>>10307348
>>10307349
>>10307372
I'll make sure to make a post about how the D-Pad feels once I get it, I ended up buying it because the RetroBits are way harder to find, and more expensive, where I live. I hope it turns out fine, I also went with the Bluetooth in this occassion due to it being on sale in many stores, si cheaper than the 2,4ghz, so my choice ended up being made for me in a way, if it ends up not being so good in the end, then at least it was quite cheap to afford here.

Well, thanks for everyone who replied and helped me out here, will make sure to update everyone when it arrives.

[Anonymous No.10309143]

>>10309123
buy conductive pads for them, not extra controllers.
the dpad on the m30 is excellent as well.
enjoy your purchase.

[Anonymous No.10309350]

>>10305708
Sorry for late reply. I wasn't really happy with either of my RetroBits out of the box, but I think I've read their quality has improved and they're basically exact replicas now. My Genesis pad's D-Pad sunk all the way in and felt really weird, so I swapped it out with an OEM part from an old controller and now it feels perfect and is my preferred controller. Was never totally happy with the Saturn one due to mushy buttons and a creaky D-Pad, but again, I've read that the quality on those has really improved, so you might not have any issues. The M30, on the other hand, was flawless for me out of the box, and if it weren't for my nostalgia for the Genesis pad I'd probably be using it. The difference in input lag between the 3 is negligible (in the 1-2ms range iirc), so it really just comes down to build quality and preference.

[Anonymous No.10309640]

>>10309350
I agree. I got a fairly early retro bit 6 button and it straight up didn't work. C button wouldn't register unless the start button was pressed, and 3 button mode didn't even function. Basically parted it out and reused the rubbers on other projects because the mobo was borked. Got another one a few months back and it works great. I switched to an m30 because I realized how annoying wired controllers are with my setup, but it's a very good player 2 controller.

[Anonymous No.10310080]

>>10306725
Indeed, it's ideal to go on their website and download what you can find... there's also stuff I only found in YouTube, like the fact it works in PS3.

[Anonymous No.10310627]

>>10309143
>enjoy your purchase.
Thanks! Apparently it'll only arrive on Wednesday sadly, but it could arrive today or tomorrow if I'm lucky enough.

>>10309350
I'm happy to hear the M30 worked for you from the get go, hopefully It'll go smoothly for me too when it's here, I get more optimistic the more I read about it, hopefully the input lag really isn't as bad as some have told me in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10311393]

It's here! I was lucky enough to have it arrive just a few hours ago, when there was a chance it'd be here only in a couple of days. I read the manual it came with and immediately connected it to start playing with RetroArch. I have to say, so far it's a superb controller, a little smaller than I would've liked, but still comfortable, and while it can be a bit awkward to bind keys on RetroArch, due to its UI taking in consideration only traditional layouts with a diamond instead of the 6-Button layout, it still clicked soon enough, now I've setup all cores to have the controls I want, and it's lovely so far.

I haven't had any issues with input lag so far, it's quite responsive, and man... I really missed using a 6-Button layout like this, and the SEGA D-Pad I used to love so much, with easy diagonals, to me this just feels like... home. My only complaints are the size, and mapping keys on RetroArch so far.

[Anonymous No.10311419]

>>10311393
>Tec Toy logo
Anon, are you in Brazil? Is everything OK?
Anyway, this does look like a decent controller. I hear the 2.4 GHz version is all right on the MiSTer as far as wireless options go.

[Anonymous No.10312778]

>>10311419
I'm a favela macaco, yes. Having Tec-Toy bring this controller over just like they used to do with SEGA controllers back in the day, it's nostalgic.

[Anonymous No.10313056]

>>10302635
I got pic in today and feels great.
Like it a lot more than the genesis 6btn controller. Boomerang shape feels off.

I used to focus on original pads for every system but it's too much if a hassle honestly and had no added value for me.
I now feel that this one combined with the pro2 is all I need.

[Anonymous No.10313326]

Its here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X51Patmp41E
Thoughts on the joycons sticks??

[Anonymous No.10313332]

[Anonymous No.10313350]

>>10306927
>If you crouch, you're more likely to activate diagonals when you didn't want to and walk into enemy fire
I wonder if that's a common issue with all 8bitdo controllers. I bought the SN30 pro, and I've died so many times in Mega Man 3 because the d-pad is hyper sensitive to diagonals. I'm clearly pressing only right, but it will still register a down press, and Mega Man slides into a pit. It's great...

[Anonymous No.10313774]

>>10313056
I'm happy for you, anon! I love the white one, it looks so sleek, just like a JP Saturn controller.

>>10313326
>>10313332
I really wish they had gone for traditional sticks like they were planning too... this looks awful.

[Anonymous No.10314894]

Has anyone here tried the Neo Geo controller? It's 25 bucks on woot right now, but I feel like I'll be disappointed when I compare it to the microswitches in my NGPC.

[Anonymous No.10315342]

>>10313774
Thanks, it was the color scheme that convinced me to buy it.
The 2.4g version works fine under windows too (as dinput device) even when not advertised as being supported on the box.

>>10313332
sticks looks bad for general purpose

>>10314894
There was a thread a while ago on the Neo Geo ones, from what I understood it was a good controller but no idea how it exactly compares to the original.

[Anonymous No.10315368]

ITT: 8bitdon't shills spunking savagely in each other's mouths.

[Anonymous No.10316994]

>>10315368
bump

[Anonymous No.10317034]

>>10314894
I've heard people say that the neogeo controller has some issues with registering a regular "Up" as "Up+Left" or "Up+Right".

[Anonymous No.10317115]

What's the difference between these controllers? Is one just on bigger sale because of prime day?

[Anonymous No.10317254]

>>10302635
a friend brought this over when it came out and I was not confident with my dpad inputs on it. It's $20 on amazon at the moment of posting so it's not a huge loss if you don't end up liking it.

[Anonymous No.10318574]

>>10317034
how would that be possible if it's microswitched and you can hear what you actuate
if anything i heard the problem people had, especially versus the real pad, is that you pretty much have to ride the gate for actuation because the shaft they used in the 8bitdo is thinner
if that's true that sounds like ass for anything except fighting games

[Anonymous No.10318686]

>>10313350
Kinds weird since I've got SNES one (green if that matters) and the only issue I've had was the R button being stiff.
I've had many issues with Dualsense doing diagonals in MK, so I've switched to SNES.
Then again, my friend bought 2 Pro versions and they've sucked ass in more ways than one.

[Anonymous No.10318691]

>>10312778
>favela macaco
uma delícia de controlador

[Anonymous No.10318706]

>>10302635
Get the Retrobit 8-button controller. It has a firmer feeling build overall and apparently they used OEM molding which is how they got it to feel 1:1 to the original controllers.

[Anonymous No.10318753]

>>10303360
>uses a shitty microUSB connection
No it doesn't, liar.

[Anonymous No.10318808]

>>10318753
the first models did from what i've been told
that's why it's recommended you buy the white one since it's guaranteed to have usb-c if you're buying it blind
again that's just what someone told me

[Anonymous No.10318854]

>>10318808
>but I regret buying it
>what i've been told
>again that's just what someone told me
what the shit, anon?

[Anonymous No.10318883]

>>10318854
i'm not that first nigga and i never claimed to be

[Anonymous No.10318901]

>>10318883
fair enough

[Anonymous No.10318932]

>>10318691
Uma delícia mesmo, bom para desgraça.

[Anonymous No.10318946]

>>10302635
>Buying 8bitdo garbage
Lmao this retard

[Anonymous No.10318954]

>>10318946
The 2.4ghz M30 might be their only good controller. I'll also give their Lite controllers a pass because it was specifically made for people with limited mobility.

[Anonymous No.10319064]

I got a clear Retrobit 2.4g Saturn controller and it had the goddamn C-button defect. Thought they had gotten rid of that? Either way, I'll probably swap in OEM parts at some stage.

[Anonymous No.10320420]

I've had the M30 for a while now, overall the shape and feel of it is good, and I'm loving the D-Pad... but on the bluetooth some inputs don't register at all, or have this slight delay... but it's not often, anyways I wish it wouldn't happen, especially on the C button which is the one that suffers the most, also wish the controller was way bigger.

[Anonymous No.10320438]

>>10318946
Pro 2 that I have works fine.
The m30 is more prone to false diagonals, but that is just how the sega pad works. Same with stock sega controllers.

[Anonymous No.10320475]

Bought this baby.

Never used an actual Neo Geo controller, only bought it for the arcade style mini-stick.
Was disappointed that the stick didn't feel light and clicky as I had expected but it feels very natural when actually playing something with it.
Face buttons are really nice and big and clicky - best ones I've ever encountered on a gamepad.

Despite the battery it's very light which combined with the hard rigid plastic case makes it feels very much like an old classic controller.
Also like that they now just give you everything combined in one model: bluetooth, 2.4G, wired

Thanks for listening to my review. Please hit like & subscribe.

[Anonymous No.10320863]

>>10320438
wtf
I have yet to get an unwanted diagonal on my M30
I didn't grow up with a Sega pad either
I play Tetris on this thing so I think I would know too

[Anonymous No.10320879]

>>10320475
What have you been playing with it?
It's still going for the price of a 2.4ghz m30 on woot so it is a little tempting.

[Anonymous No.10320880]

>>10317115
different seller, same product

[Anonymous No.10320881]

>>10320475
>only bought it for the arcade style mini-stick
i wanted to buy one for this reason, but i would have really liked having 6 face buttons for arcade play...

[Anonymous No.10320885]

>>10320863
Yeah, I haven't gotten any unwanted diagonals yet either, but it does feel like the entire d pad can mush down all at once further than I remember a genesis controller doing.
Though it's been a long time and I don't have one on me to verify my supposed memory.

[Anonymous No.10320913]

>>10320879
mostly shmups, bit of KoF

>>10320881
Neo Geo pads with 6 face buttons exist.
I couldn't find one cheap in my area though.

[Anonymous No.10320921]

>>10302994
>is the Bluetooth delay too bad/noticeable though or is it still playable.
It's playable. Not a big deal. Stand closer to the Saturn, keep it plugged in, or get the 2.4 ghz version if it bothers you.

[Anonymous No.10322090]

>>10302635
8BitDo vs. RetroBit
Who has the better 6-Button SEGA controller?

[Anonymous No.10322197]

>>10313350
I had that issue with my sn30 pro but my pro+'s dpad works perfectly so maybe they eventually fixed it

[Anonymous No.10324006]

I just took apart my M30 for the first time and am thoroughly impressed by the build quality. It really is a league above the Retrobit controllers. By far the best controller 8bitdo has made. For anyone who cares, the D-Pad they're using is a replica of the Genesis 6 Button one, not the Saturn one (which is fine on me because I prefer the Genesis one).

[Anonymous No.10324247]

>>10324006
M30 Pro when

[Anonymous No.10324512]

>>10324247
I mean, RetroBit's just released a SEGA Saturn controller with dual analog sticks, even if they happen to be joycons, which many dislike... so surely 8BitDo will respond with a dual analog M30 soon, right? It's be nice to see, hopefully they give it longer handles and a bigger size...

[Anonymous No.10324585]

>>10324512
They're gonna release a clone of the 3d pad first.

[Anonymous No.10324595]

How do you pronounce do? Do you do the do, or do you doh?

[Anonymous No.10324601]

>>10322090
Retrobit mega drive pads are s-tier.

[Anonymous No.10324927]

>>10324585
5 trillion hours in paint, no need to thank me RetroBit.

[Anonymous No.10324943]

>>10324927
can you make it symmetrical instead

[Anonymous No.10325643]

>>10324943
>can you make it worse
no

[Anonymous No.10325681]

>>10306943
the Retrobit is as close to OEM you can get once once you swap the membranes, d-pad, and buttons from a real Saturn controller.

[Anonymous No.10326045]

>>10325681
At that point you might as well just swap the Retrobit board into an original controller, it'd be the same shit.

[Anonymous No.10326434]

>>10324585
It's interesting that this is pretty much the father of most modern video game controllers, and it's barely remembered by most.

[Anonymous No.10327051]

>>10302635
I'm not enjoying mine much... often my inputs just don't register, and diagonals, which are a highlight of any SEGA D-Pad, don't work at all.

I took the 8BitDo pill and I regret it, /vr/os...

[Anonymous No.10327072]

>>10327051
I warned you about the Bluetooth version.

[Anonymous No.10327130]

>>10302635
>is this one good?
Its great. Visually it looks like something out of a 3D printer. Feels nice in the hands though. But where the M30 clearly surpasses any other controller on the planet, including the OG Saturn controllers, is the satisfying D-Pad. They use thicker, higher quality rubber membranes here. Resulting in a faster, and clickier feel. Luck of the draw though. 3 pads were fine. 1 pad was mushy. Once you get the clicky one, its game over for any other controller

[Anonymous No.10327143]

>>10322090
>8BitDo
10/10
>RetroBit (white)
7/10
>RetroBit (blue)
1/10
I own a bunch of those. Early blue models suck. The C button its permanently stuck on them due to poor design.

[Anonymous No.10327227]

So this version is bad and the dpad lacks pivot? But it looks so freakin cool...

[Anonymous No.10327234]

>>10327227
I have the 8 button version of that (still wired) and swapped in the D-Pad from an old OEM controller and it feels completely perfect. If you have an old controller for parts, get one. It also has some of the lowest input lag of any controller on the market.

[Anonymous No.10327238]

Did I miss the Woot deals on the M30 or the Neogeo CD pads?

[Anonymous No.10327239]

>>10327234
Is yours the blue one of the black one? because I hear the blue version is shit

[Anonymous No.10327240]

>>10327239
Blue. The D-Pad was indeed shit, but the rest of the controller works great.

[Anonymous No.10327272]

>>10327240
thanks anon, I'll spruce up a USB one

[Anonymous No.10327283]

>>10327238
nah it's until the end of the month
https://electronics.woot.com/offers/8bitdo-8bitdo-neogeo-wireless-controller-for-wi
if you get one tell us about it
if it had 6 face buttons i would pick one up right away but oh well

[Anonymous No.10327503]

>still the best wired controller for retro stuff

[Anonymous No.10327504]

>>10320475
>>10320913
interesting, I was considering it for f-zero 99 since it prefers analog stick inputs but maybe i'll use it for shmups as well.
>>10322090
pulled this out of the parts box just for you. This is the second retrobit controller I've had that had a break in this exact same spot, thanks cotton reboot. Blue tooth wireless one, board to be reused elsewhere. Retrobit controller #1 was a wired model 1 that got the same break on the pad thanks to persistent Devil Engine play. Board was repurposed in a real Saturn pad so I could use a real pad with quality parts on modern devices. Retrobit #3 is a 2.4 ghz that's still working fine, probably because I was only using it for a genesis mini I played for a few afternoons.

2/3 retrobit controllers got the d-pad break and before the break they were close enough to a Saturn pad. Real pad feels deeper, gummier, like you can really sink your thumb into each direction. Retrobit pad feels shorter, shallower and with stronger feedback of clicking into each direction. Retrobit buttons feel firmer and clicker, the updated models also have a bit of clickyness like the original shoulder buttons but not as much.

Why did I buy 3 controllers if 2 broke? BT retrobit has some of the lowest latency available for switch controllers, 2.4ghz is decent too. If the pad broke and retrobit didn't send me a replacement I could just repurpose them for other controllers.

see this for latency comparisons on switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0tri4MQ0c

M30 pad is gummier than the retrobit but still lacks the feeling of depth, probably because neither of them have real rubber guts to squish through. Buttons are a little softer than the retrobit and the latency of the 2.4ghz is a little worse than retrobit's offerings. Better ergonomics than retrobit imo.

I prefer my modded Saturn controller but all my friends prefer using the retrobit or m30 since they have firmer feedback. If you don't mod or care about latency m30 wins.

[Anonymous No.10327709]

>>10320921
>Stand closer to the Saturn
lmao

[Anonymous No.10328853]

>>10327072
I know... but I don't regret it either, afterall there weren't many options where I live besides this, if I had found the 2.4GHz one for the same price it would've been a no brainer, but most other pads in this style I could get here were at least 4 times the price they're selling this one at, it's just way too cheap compared to everything else and so it made sense to go for this one, I'm alright with it.

P.S. I still appreciate the warning and advice you gave me, you're cool, so take this chocolate milk.

[Anonymous No.10329286]

>>10327503
I bought a Hori xbox (360? xbone?) gamepad thinking it'd be a good quality and it got stick drift within 3 weeks. What a piece of shit.