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Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:17:22 2023 No.10214279 [Reply] [Original]

are there any other games that hold a candle to Xenogears in terms of plot? I spent the past couple weeks completing this epic end to end and, holy shit, the sheer ambition of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:20:09 2023 No.10214287 >>10214279 was this the game where all you did was look at shitty paintings? I dropped that shit fast as it was pretty bad

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:42:56 2023 No.10214343 File: 264 KB, 474x540, Untermench_says.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:48:02 2023 No.10214352 File: 58 KB, 323x308, Chronocrossbox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10214287 Better than some larper furry killing off the old cast for no fucking reason! What the FUCK was Kato thinking!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:49:08 2023 No.10214354 >>10214352 Out with the old. In with the ugly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:52:47 2023 No.10214360 >>10214352 Rumors say that he was the reason why Xenogears Disk 2 was super rushed. Thankfully Takahashi had him on the leash before he took another fat one with Chrono Break (leading to its cancelation)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 3 16:54:07 2023 No.10214363 >>10214279 Ar Tonelico?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 03:30:55 2023 No.10215726 >>10214343 Xenogears a shit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 03:50:29 2023 No.10215760

None of the people praising jrpg plots read books. I am not talking about high brow stuff like the Brothers Kamarazov which is the most famous example of the idea of god needing to be invented. I can pick up any random mediocre pulp fiction sci-fi book in the discount section of my local bookstore and find a book with a better plot.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 04:12:25 2023 No.10215780

>>10215760
>None of the people praising jrpg plots read books.
But people like xenogears because it is like a sci-fi book. If you read then your enjoyment of it is enhanced immensely. Have you even played it?
>I am not talking about high brow stuff like the Brothers Kamarazov which is the most famous example of the idea of god needing to be invented. I can pick up any random mediocre pulp fiction sci-fi book in the discount section of my local bookstore and find a book with a better plot.
Curious how you haven't named any...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 04:55:11 2023 No.10215839 File: 407 KB, 1600x2263, Xenogears-Painting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10215726 Xenogears is KING how could you not like Xenogears?

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:14:52 2023 No.10215860

>>10215780
>Have you even played it?
Played is a strong word for a jrpg. I pressed a to win if that is what you mean.
>you haven't named any...
Well yeah, that is kind of the point. I said there is no careful selection necessary and any random book from the discout section you could buy would be better than it. If you name any vaguely famous sci-fi book I have probably read it and can give you an in depth explanation why it is better than Xenogears if you would like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:27:47 2023 No.10215873 >>10215860 Explain how Robots and Empire is better than Xenogears.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:29:13 2023 No.10215874 File: 39 KB, 378x263, The_Legend_of_Zelda_Ocarina_of_Time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10214279

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:33:31 2023 No.10215881 >>10215873 The characters aren't just 1 dimensional anime tropes that say a cool line once in a while.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:36:27 2023 No.10215883 >>10215881 But nearly all of Asimov's characters are 1 dimensional...

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 05:56:05 2023 No.10215913

>>10214352
Except it's not. CC has a very strong hook that gets moving quickly and keeps you intrigued. Talking to NPCs and visiting optional areas is fun in and of itself.
Whereas Xenogears is endlessly meandering, slow and tedious, and it never delivers. Almost the whole thing is filler, while the real meat of the plot is hidden in the background lore.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 09:05:52 2023 No.10216193

>>10215913
>Differences Between Japanese and Western Fictional Writing

>Narrative Structure
Linear vs. Non-linear: Western narratives often follow a linear structure, adhering to the Aristotelian model of a beginning, middle, and end. Japanese narratives, on the other hand, may employ a more cyclical or fragmented structure. For example, traditional Japanese literature like "The Tale of Genji" doesn't focus on a central plot but rather explores various episodes in the characters' lives.

Conflict Resolution
Western stories frequently build up to a climax, where a central conflict is resolved. Japanese stories may not always have such a climax, and conflicts may remain unresolved, reflecting the Buddhist concept of the impermanence of life.

>Character Development
Individualism vs. Collectivism: Western characters are often developed through their individual traits, decisions, and conflicts. In contrast, Japanese characters are frequently defined by their relationships within a group, be it family or society, reflecting the collectivist nature of Japanese culture.

>Moral Ambiguity
While Western literature often portrays characters as heroes or villains, Japanese literature tends to embrace moral ambiguity, avoiding clear-cut distinctions between good and evil.

>Dialogue
Western writing often uses dialogue as a tool for character development and plot advancement. In Japanese literature, dialogue may be more subtle and indirect, reflecting cultural norms around communication.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 12:42:53 2023 No.10216452 >>10216193 >In Japanese literature, dialogue may be more subtle and indirect LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 12:44:06 2023 No.10216456 >>10216452 What?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 12:56:54 2023 No.10216483 >>10216456 You are talking to a shonen fag who doesn't understand the point and thinks because he watches bara men threaten to beat each other up that he understands the weirdness of Japanese grammar.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 12:58:07 2023 No.10216486 >>10214287 >was this the game where all you did was look at shitty paintings? no, you're thinking of Super Mario 64

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 16:37:58 2023 No.10216786 >>10214279 Loved how they went straight into ancient ayyliums territory.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 16:43:33 2023 No.10216802

>>10216193
>In Japanese literature, dialogue may be more subtle and indirect

Jeez dude. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read in here and that’s saying a lot. Japanese see the worst people on the planet for tell don’t show. They spell out EVERYTHING. They have the subtlety of a sledgehammer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 16:44:59 2023 No.10216805 File: 204 KB, 480x1019, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] rofl

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 16:46:10 2023 No.10216809 >>10215913 I love CC, but Xenogears delivers more than CC in the end I'd say. Much more satisfying conclusion than Terra Tower and ghost kids on the beach.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 17:06:56 2023 No.10216863

>>10216802

Video games generally aren't the best example, and it's sometimes lost in translation. The Japanese language is famously indirect. It's become somewhat more direct in the last century, but it's still not as direct as English. Not because it can't be, but it's just a cultural thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 18:43:45 2023 No.10217107 >>10216805 Why did they crucify Chu-Chu?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:09:53 2023 No.10217151 >>10216193 Thanks ChatGPT, very cool!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:18:07 2023 No.10217172 >>10216805 >Father, forgive them, for they know not what they chu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:20:10 2023 No.10217179 File: 97 KB, 200x400, etyi2uk466y71.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10217107 >>10217172

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:05:09 2023 No.10217858 >>10214279 Panzer Dragoon Saga has both the better plot and the better soundtrack

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:18:03 2023 No.10218334 >>10215839 Xenogears a shit

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