/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10175772]

This is what peak gaming looks like.

[Anonymous No.10175783]

There’s like 5 pieces of shovelware that “utilize” this whole “tower of power”

[Anonymous No.10175786]

>>10175772
Based

[Anonymous No.10175804]

I like a lot of Genesis games, I think anyone who dismisses it as trash console for poorfags and says "Sonic was never good" is a retard.
However, I just think it was not on the same level as SNES. The issue was that its library focused way too hard on arcade-y action titles. Sega mostly made arcade-style games, and the Japanese 3rd parties they attracted like Treasure did the same. And the West just made more platformers.
If you like arcade-style action, you'll love Genesis. But there was nothing on it like Super Metroid, or DKC2, or Yoshi's Island, or even SMW. Hell, even a basic save feature was pretty rare on the console. When other games went towards world exploration, puzzles, collectathons, RPG elements, story / atmosphere and such, Genesis games mostly stuck with same action / run n gun / run n do whatever.
Few Genesis games feel truly groundbreaking or ahead of their time. Don't get me wrong, they had good graphics, sound, and gameplay; but fundamentally they just did "more of the same". Multiplat platformers like Aladdin / Lion King / Toy Story / etc. didn't help.
I still think there's more than enough classics on it. Every Sonic game, SoR2, Monster World 3 / 4, Phantasy Star 2 / 4 are all great and easily are on par with the better SNES games. It's just fewer greats than on SNES, and nothing quite on the GOAT game level, that's all.

[Anonymous No.10175809]

I didn't know Genesis even a thing until avgn made a video about it

>t. zoomer

[Anonymous No.10175825]

>>10175804
Overall it's second place to the SNES but it does its own thing which is a good thing. If the whole console was adventure games and RPGs like SNES there'd be no difference between the two, it'd be like PS5 and Xbox today

[Anonymous No.10175828]

>>10175772
I still have my childhood Model 1 and a Model 2 I picked up from the thrift last year for cheap, but I never owned the add-ons. SEGA CD has become my favorite system over the past few years, easily the best thing SEGA has ever done.

>>10175804
It gets better after the add-ons. They're both good consoles but for different reasons. SNES had more puzzlers and RPG's, Genesis had more shmups and beat 'em ups. Without the add-ons I probably prefer SNES, but stuff like Snatcher changes everything.

[Anonymous No.10175843]

>>10175809
AVGN really played up the add-ons for laughs. They are actually pretty good, especially the CD. It's the equivalent of adding a new graphics card to an already powerful gaming rig. Perhaps even moreso with the 32X since it can handle more colors and 3D, though it only got forty games.

[Anonymous No.10175924]

>>10175828
>Genesis had more shmups and beat 'em ups
frankly I wouldn't call Genesis that good in this regard, it's more like SNES had shit for shmups and bmups. though in general no console was that great for bmups to be honest, so Genesis might as well be the king.

[Anonymous No.10175950]

>>10175772
>peak gaming
>50hz

[Anonymous No.10175961]

>>10175825
>If the whole console was adventure games and RPGs like SNES
I never bought this meme. SNES still had SMW1/2 + All-Stars, Super Metroid, DKC1-3, Mega Man X1-3, Mega Man VII, Castlevania IV, Contra III, Kirby Super Star, Super Mario Kart, Umihara Kawase, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Goemons, Super Ghouls N' Ghosts, Actraiser, Rockman & Forte, Metal Warriors, Wild Guns, R-Type III, Pocky & Rocky, Goof Troop, Cybernator, Gokujou Parodius and more. Yet there are still people who screech "nooo it had no action, it was all RPGs".

[Anonymous No.10176115]

>>10175961
And megadrive had games with adventure elements like the Ecco series, Shining force, Shining in the darkness, story of thor, phantasy star, The immortal, Ragnacenty, Landstalker, Fantastic Dizzy, Flashback, Light crusader, Another World, Might and Magic, Wonderboy monsterworld... It wasn't just arcade games either. We're not talking about n64s, both consoles had pretty much all the popular genres covered.
Still, action games in megadrive were faster, moved more sprites, had more complex bosses, had less slowdowns and had a higher resolution that allowed you to see more screen. Games like Thunder Force IV, Shinobi 3, Streets of Rage, Sonic 3 & Knuckles or Gunstar Heroes wouldn't have been possible on snes without removing things.
Castlevania IV, Pocky & Rocky or Super Ghouls'n Ghosts are great action games.
Ecco the Dolphin, Phantasy Star IV or Wonderboy in monster world are great games with adventure elements.
But still, each console had different strengths if we looks at things from a global pespective.

[Anonymous No.10176132]

Take off that 32x piece of shit and i agree

[Anonymous No.10176224]

>>10176132
You can blame it for killing Sega or whatever but I like it, it looks cool and has some fun games

[Anonymous No.10176323]

>>10175772
>This is what peak gaming looks like.
Wrong

[Anonymous No.10176340]

It looks like it’s on life support.

[Anonymous No.10176351]

>>10175772
Sega 32x? That's just saaaaad. You should get yourself a Saturn.

[Anonymous No.10176358]

>>10175950
And the games that were designed for 50hz?

https://youtu.be/zVLLK0-U0mM

[Anonymous No.10176384]

>>10176115
>Ecco series
havent played, looks like absolute shit from the playthroughs I've seen. "adventure ""elements""" fits this game very well
>Shining force
let me just cut the chase and say that ironically yeah, despite Genesis had FEW rpgs, it had some good ones. Shining, PS2/4 and Langrisser were good, as well as Lunar; though beyond that there were hardly many famous ones. even Sega acknowledged the lack of RPGs on it.
>Fantastic Dizzy
not taking this britslop seriously
>Another World
5 minutes of "gameplay"
>Wonderboy monsterworld
ok yeah, fair point. another ironic case of Genesis having pretty much only one "metroidvania" series, but it is a very good one and arguably could be called "ahead of its time".
>rest
I'm not saying Genesis had NOTHING else—like even N64 had RPGs, for example. it's just that there wasn't many options, and the competition had both way more options in total with more good ones. I don't know why you focused on "adventure" though, I can only name ALTTP on SNES off the top of my head (and Quintet trilogy depending on if it counts, but that's it).
>Still, action games in megadrive were faster, moved more sprites, had more complex bosses, had less slowdowns and had a higher resolution that allowed you to see more screen.
one can look at it from 2 sides. a more critical view is that this is just looks over substance. I think if we're being objective, the whole "more speed, more sprites" approach of arcades got old very quick. it was a gimmick to show off the new 2D hardware, but it didn't automatically make better games.
sometimes it mattered, yes. e.g. a jump to bullet hell shooters needed lots of sprites on screen, or a good bmup with crowd control needed more sprites (like SoR2). but I think in reality arcade games of that era that get remembered the most are praised for quality art first—e.g. fighters or ones like metal slug. not all that many cared about the speed and sprites in the end.

[Anonymous No.10176419]

>>10176384
>from the playthroughs I've seen.
>pretty much only one "metroidvania" series

[Anonymous No.10176452]

>>10176419
>>from the playthroughs I've seen.
yes. I'm not playing avgn tier games. I tried it once on XBL and tought it looked way better than it played.
>>pretty much only one "metroidvania" series
also yes. it gets called that all the time, get with the times old man

[Anonymous No.10176535]

>>10175772
based af

[Anonymous No.10176574]

>>10175843
>It's the equivalent of adding a new graphics card to an already powerful gaming rig.
It isn't. The most important difference is that a new graphics card improves the games without being at the mercy of developers.
Sure, cool scaling hardware, but it doesn't improve Space Harrier 2. Hell, it doesn't even have Space Harrier if you want to buy it again.
32X, finally a kind of accurate Space Harrier, but thanks to the deeply flawed hardware, only 30FPS.

[Anonymous No.10176602]

>>10175772
I don't know if it's possible but if the Sega CD could've expanded the Genesis color palette it would've been the perfect addon

[Anonymous No.10176623]

>>10175772
this isn't the psx

[Anonymous No.10176720]

>>10176452
>yes. I'm not playing avgn tier games
AVGN is not God and if he didn't like Ecco the Dolphin I certainly disagree with him.

[Anonymous No.10176723]

PC cost $1000.. 32x $150... DOOM!!
Cd player boombox cost $100.. Sega CD cost $100.. CATFISH TO GHOST!! THE DANG THING BIT ME!!!

[Anonymous No.10176853]

wrong pic

[Anonymous No.10177015]

>>10176853
Can you delete this pic? It goes against the agenda ty

[Anonymous No.10177463]

>>10175924
>in general no console was that great for bmups
Compared to CPS-1 and CPS-2? I guess, though I give Genesis the edge just for the Streets of Rage series and Final Fight CD. SNES did have Turtles in Time and Final Fight 2, though.

>>10176602
32X did this but it didn't upgrade its resolution or anything

[Anonymous No.10177867]

>>10175804
When I was a kid I remember thinking of SEGA console games as just being knockoffs of Nintendo games, Sonic being the only exception. Like, SEGA never had 'game', they had 'the SEGA version of X Nintendo game'. The vidya equivalent of wanting McDonalds but your mother says no and makes you one of those dry hockey puck burgers with untoasted sliced bread as buns and cold cheese instead. That sort of perception was probably pretty common with kids outside of Japan, which is why all of them besides the Genesis struggled to find a market.

[Anonymous No.10177980]

>>10175786

[Anonymous No.10178017]

>>10175804
Sega rpgs:
After Armageddon, Aisle Lord, Arslan Senki, Beggar Prince, Cosmic Fantasy Stories, Dark Wizard, Illusion City, Langrisser 1&2 (better than fire emblem), Legend Wukong, Lunar 1&2 (had voice acting), Phantasy Star 2&4 (came to usa before any final Fantasy, both were better than ff4 and 5), Pier Solar, Rise of the Dragon, Shadowrun (better than snes), Shining Force 1/2/CD (also better than fire emblem), Shining Darkness, Snatcher (pretty fucking awesome), Space Adventure Cobra, Vixen 357 Ys III (best version)

[Anonymous No.10178031]

>>10177867
Spoken like a filthy casual who only plays a couple games
Snes has no answer to these games :

Cosmic Fantasy Stories, Rise of the Dragon, Snatcher, Space Adventure Cobra, Alien Soldier, Cave Story, Comix Zone, Gunstar Heroes, Shinobi 2/3, Shadow Dancer, Ecco 2 CD, Flashback, Out of This World, Generations Lost, Sonic Classic Heroes, Sonic 3 Complete, Sonic Mega Mix (CD), MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Panorama Cotton, Thunder Force 2/3/4, Trouble Shooter 1&2, Zero Wing

[Anonymous No.10178040]

>>10176602
Sega colors are just fine. The only snes games that actually use those higher color palettes, are ugly ass games like donkey Kong country that are doing that fake 3d shit.

[Anonymous No.10178049]

>>10176384
Phantasy star 2 > final Fantasy 4
Phantasy star 4 > final Fantasy 5
Lunar 1 > mario rpg
Lunar 2 > random fan transisted snes rpg

So in other words, snes has ff6 and Chrono Trigger, which are probably the only 2 16 bit rpgs you've even played to begin with.

As for action adventure? Link to the past one of the most overrated games of all time, and countless "Zelda clones" are in fact much better games, including crusader of centy and beyond oasis.

[Anonymous No.10178053]

>>10175924
•Keio Squadron, Gaiares [Redux], Gynoug, Lords Thunder, MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Panorama Cotton, Thunder Force 2/3/4, Trouble Shooter 1&2, Zero Wing

[Anonymous No.10178058]

>>10175804
Sega action games:
Alien Soldier, Spiderman Kingpin (better than the shitty snes spiderman), Annet Futatabi, Alisia Dragoon, Blades of vengeance, Castlevania Bloodlines (better than 4, though they're both good and rondo on tg16 is better than both), Cave Story, Comix Zone, Contra Hard Corps (better than 3), Cyborg 009 CD (better than snes), Dahna, Demolition Man CD, Earthworm Jim 1 CD & 2 (better than snes), El Viento, Exile, Ex Mutants, Gargoyles Ultimate, Gunstar Heroes, Mega Man Wily Wars [weapon master] (not as good as X1&2, but still good), Mega Turrican (shits on super turrican), Midnight Resistance, Popful Mail, Pulseman, Ranger X, Rent A Hero, Rocket Knight 1&2, Shinobi 2/3, Shadow Dancer, Pirates Dark Water (much better than snes version), Splatterhouse 2&3, Streets Rage 2 & 3DX, Strider, Terminator CD, Twinkle Tale, Valis 1&3, Wolfchild CD, Monster World 3&4, XMen 2

[Anonymous No.10178061]

>>10175804
Sega platformers :

Animaniacs (better than snes), Ecco 1 CD & 2 CD, Flashback (best version), Out of This World (best version), Generations Lost, Flink, Highseas Havoc, Taruruuto, Marvel Land, Mickey Mania CD (best version), Castle of Illusion, World of Illusion, Pantufa, Pitfall CD (best version), Prince of Persia 1 CD (best version), Quackshot, Ristar, Socket, Sonic Classic Heroes, Sonic 3 Complete, Sonic Mega Mix CD, Lost Vikings (best version), Tinhead, Tiny Toons (better than snes)

[Anonymous No.10178065]

>>10175804
Sega Top down and isometric :
Arcus 1/2/3/Odyssey, Beyond Oasis, Crusader of Centy, Landstalker, Light Crusader, Skeleton Krew, Techno Clash, The Chaos Engine, Tougiou King Colossus, Traysia, True Lies, Xenocrisis

[Anonymous No.10178067]

>>10178031
Didn't Flashback come out on the SNES (on the otherhand I don't know its performance)? There's also Blackthrone and the SNES iteration of Prince of Persia as well. Hard to count something like Cave Story and some of those are CD games rather than base Genesis ones. There just seems to be a divergence in video game thought between the SNES and Genesis. I generally enjoy the Genesis a lot more. Sadly the SNES didn't get all the RPGs localized because something like Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 are phenomenal and are easily my favorite of the generation.

[Anonymous No.10178069]

>>10178067
The snes version of flashback is much worse. PoP on cd has animated cut scenes added.

Blackthorne is better on snes. Great game.

[Anonymous No.10178075]

>>10178031
>Look at all these obscure games nobody bought
Super Mario World alone outsold all of those combined. The fact of the matter is when a kid walked into a Toys R Us with his parents letting him pick a console and 2-3 games for his birthday, he's gonna look at the stuff everyone at school was talking about and what he saw in the magazines and on commercials between episodes of TMNT. And do you know what those games were? Link to the Past, Mario World, DKC, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Star Fox, et al. The only Genesis games anybody cared about was Sonic. Fuck's sake, half the top 10 bestselling Genesis games are multiplats that were also on SNES, and the other half are Sonic games. The best selling non-Sonic platformer is bloody Aladdin, a movie tie-in game. That should tell you something.

[Anonymous No.10178080]

>>10178075
>Super Mario World alone outsold all of those combined
Kind of a difference between a pack in game and ones that aren't.

[Anonymous No.10178093]

I wonder if the Sega CD 32x could handle a port of image related? It could use the pre rendered BG's from the PS1 game, but lower resolution. It could have the same cutscenes and audio dialogue. Game models might have to be flat shaded like AITD.

[Anonymous No.10178103]

>>10177980
Model 2 + Model 2 looks good though

[Anonymous No.10178116]

>>10178075
>muh sales make the game better!
Why the fuck should i care how many copies a game sold? Dumb boot licking causal. You just proved you're some dip shit talking out of your ass who's only played a small handful of games and then makes giant sweeping generalizations based on a tiny handful of games you played. You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.10178119]

>>10178093
Yes. There's a tech demo that shows the 32x running tomb Raider (not as good as saturn, but still running).

So a mostly 2D game with some extremely low poly characters? Definitely.

[Anonymous No.10178131]

>>10175804
Really they're both fantastic libraries, especially when you include the JP-only releases. I prefer Genny myself but I wouldn't fault anyone for preferring SNES.

[Anonymous No.10178187]

>>10178116
Because, you retarded gorilla, we are talking about CHILDHOOD PERCEPTION. Little kids back in the 90s lack the experience or ability to discern what games are hidden gems, they mostly bought what was popular. No 11 year old knew about some obscure shooter or RPG on the Genesis that only sold 100k copies globally, all they saw what was on store shelves. come on.

>>10178080
>d-doesn't count

[Anonymous No.10178210]

>>10178093
It's even running on the GBC (still same overall gameplay, not a topdown port)

So porting to the 32x is also possible, either have low poly 3d models or scaled sprites while the genesis handled the 2d backgrounds

[Anonymous No.10178238]

>>10178210
>So porting to the 32x is also possible, either have low poly 3d models or scaled sprites while the genesis handled the 2d backgrounds

I would like to see a 32x CD port that uses both the 32x and CD hardware. CD to maybe store high colour 32x bitmaps, but in this case probably some Sega CD tier grainy BG's. You would have to use the highlight and shadow modes, like Toy Story. And of course, use the CD storage for FMV and 8-channel PCM and 32x audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TopLrGEwFss

[Anonymous No.10178257]

>>10175772
I, for one, enjoy the 32x and believe they need to put more games out for this specific hardware

Also, your mom has great boobs. Very squishy

[Anonymous No.10178337]

>>10178031
>Snes has no answer to these games
>Cosmic Fantasy Stories, Rise of the Dragon, Space Adventure Cobra, Shadow Dancer,
who?
>Cave Story, Sonic Classic Heroes, Sonic Mega Mix
are you seriously counting hacks?
>Comix Zone
style over substance. barely any lasting appeal, only barely above tech demo
>MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Panorama Cotton, Thunder Force 2/3/4, Trouble Shooter 1&2, Zero Wing
1) few really care about those 2) you will find good/better shmups on just about any platform known to man. there was absolutely nothing about these games that was groundbreaking, so not much to "answer".
>Alien Soldier, Gunstar Heroes
Perhaps the only few actual arguments here. but Contra 3 and Cybernator exist. inb4 slowdown and you can't go fast
>Ecco 2 CD
"we released sherlock holmes on CD almost 2 years ago"
>Snatcher
you're either or kojimafag or you're not. funny how movie games are suddenly good if they are on Genesis—I thought you guys said SNES was bad because it was "all DVD player games that don't go fast where you click A with no gameplay"?
>Out of This World
when will this meme end? it's a fucking 5 minute tech demo. it could be done on a DVD player.
>Sonic 3, Shinobi 2/3, Flashback, Generations Lost
you're saying SNES had no answer to platformers? really?

[Anonymous No.10178341]

>>10175772
take away the add-ons and ur right

[Anonymous No.10178350]

>>10178061
>we had arguably better version of [some yuroformer / multiplat licensed game]
you can tell a lot about Genesis when people jump to these arguments. this means having (maybe) slightly better version of mediocre multiplats is all it had.
segafags go to war over "us having better version of Tiny Toons / Out of This World / Animaniacs / etc.", when today no one over the age of 18 would play those.
I'm not exaggerating either, even when I was 14 or so everyone around me thought all those licensed platformers, yuroformers and mascot platformers were old crap and the same average platformer done for the 4328751th time, only fit for little kids because of how basic and samey they were. People only came back to those due to nostalgia.
They have all aged like crap, and none of these come even close to SMW1/2+All Stars, DKC1-2, Super Metroid and MMX. The sole exception is Sonic. And all yuroshit belongs in its dedicated trashcan for me Amiger clossics.

[Anonymous No.10178373]

>>10178187
Nobody in my group had a snes. We all had a sega model 2 with the 6 in 1 pack and sonic was way more popular than mario because he had a cartoon.

[Anonymous No.10178376]

>>10178373
Mario had a cartoon years before Sonic did. Super Mario Super Show was in 1989, and its sequel series Mario 3 and Mario World aired in 90 and 91 respectively. All three were in syndication and airing regularly on Saturday mornings until at least 1995

[Anonymous No.10178379]

>>10178350
Some of those are fucking great actually. You clearly haven't played them. No bad games were put in that list.

[Anonymous No.10178382]

>>10178350
DKC is one of the ugliest fucking games of all time. And frankly, it's eurojank.
>>10178376
Yeah but nobody gave a fuck. The sonic cartoons were way more successful. That's why he still gets them.

[Anonymous No.10178383]

>>10178373
And remember, your anecdotes don't challenge reality. The NES sold nearly double as many consoles as the Genesis, and the US and Japan are the only countries where the Genesis was even remotely competitive. In the rest of the world, the NES outsold the Genesis something like 6:1.

[Anonymous No.10178385]

>>10178382
>sonic cartoon was way more successful
Citation needed*
Nintendo stopped licensing their properties to outside creators after the Mario movie and CDI games bombed hard in the early 90s, and Nintendo were never interested in making their own cartoons because their games sold well enough they didn't need tie-ins to find new fans. Same reason Disney doesn't make Mickey cartoons anymore.
>Pokemon!!!!
Is not first party Nintendo, though these days it might as well be.

[Anonymous No.10178393]

>>10178383
Nobody cares about the rest of the world, silly brownoid.

The NES was a 1 game console for 99% of people. Everyone just had Mario.

[Anonymous No.10178395]

>>10178385
>citation needed
>the movie bombed
Pokémon was for Gameboy, not snes you rambling fucking retard. Just get over it. Nobody liked your shitty Mario cartoon.

[Anonymous No.10178404]

>>10178382
>DKC is one of the ugliest fucking games of all time. And frankly, it's eurojank.
*segacope intensifies*
DKC on CRT shits not just on Genesis, but on the whole 4th gen and even most of 5th gen. And it's still the best 2D collectathon of all time. the fact that segafags play sour grapes about it is showing

[Anonymous No.10178406]

>>10175809
Do zoomers actually watch him and does he still create videos? I haven’t touched Youtube for almost 20 years besides for the odd fixes around the house and I always just assumed that he’s long replaced by some younger channel.

[Anonymous No.10178408]

>>10178379
>Some of those are fucking great actually.
maybe Mickey Mouse games and that's it. I literally couldn't care less about the rest of the list. even if I did, having somewhat better / worse version doesnt influence things much. funny how the guy didnt even mention dynamite headdy, for example. i was more interested in it than the rest of the crap on that list

[Anonymous No.10178409]

>>10178393
Factually incorrect. DKC 1-3 sold a combined 20 million units. Street Fighter 2 sold 10 million. Link to the Past sold 4 million. Star Fox sold 4 million. And this is me excluding ALL Mario games, not just Mario World. If I just exclude Mario World, then we have Mario All Stars which sold 11 million and Mario Kart which sold 9 million. Yoshis Island sold 4 million. Remember, 60 million SNESes were sold.

>>10178395
>retard actually trying to argue the Mario Movie didn't bomb
The 1993 Super Mario movie didn't even break even, according to official data.

I know Pokemon wasn't for the SNES, I was heading you off at the pass so you wouldn't try and claim that the reason they don't make Mario cartoons anymore is "because nobody watched the originals", with you citing Pokemon as proof that Nintendo otherwise DO make cartoons of their properties. I know you were gonna do it, and I guess me calling you out whipped you up into too much of a froth to namedrop the Kirby cartoons. To which I reply Kirby isn't first party Nintendo either. Get dunked on

[Anonymous No.10178437]

>>10178337
>Shadow Dancer,
>who?
is this niga serious?

[Anonymous No.10178745]

>>10178404
>collectathon
Shit genre for autistic faggots.
It's an ugly game. It was ugly as fuck the first time i played at my neighbors, before lcds existed, you dumb fuck troon.
>sour grapes over a game i can emulate
No

[Anonymous No.10178748]

>>10178408
>i don't care about things i know nothing about
Yeah, because you're a pleb. That's why you only ever played a couple games.

>>10178409
THOSE ARE SNES GAMES YOU DROOLING FUCKING TROGLODYTE. YOU SAID NES BEFORE.

[Anonymous No.10178757]

>>10178409
Bro, your reading comprehension skills are nigger tier.
We know the movie bombed. That contradicts your prior statement. Derp

[Anonymous No.10178781]

>>10175783
I feel like the 3DO is basically the successor to "CD 32X". It had its own ports of Night Trap and Sewer Shark, as well as stuff like B.C. Racers, Primal Rage, and of course Starblade. If you are a fan of the Genesis add-ons it's definitely worth a look to see how things would've likely continued on a Neptune console

[Anonymous No.10179070]

>>10178337
>MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Panorama Cotton, Thunder Force 2/3/4, Trouble Shooter 1&2, Zero Wing 1) few really care about those 2) you will find good/better shmups on just about any platform known to man. there was absolutely nothing about these games that was groundbreaking, so not much to "answer".
Megadrive had the greatest shootemups of the generation, if you wanted to play the best of the best, it was your only option. Other genres being more popular doesn't change this fact. I'm under no obligation to follow trends, I'll buy those games that appeal to me.
And you claim to care exclusively about games being 'groundbreaking'... well, in that case, we must discard Zelda, given that is just a a copy of Hydlide. Mother 2 is a copy of Dragon Quest, Star Fox is a copy of Space Harrier, Super Mario World and DKC both are copies of Pac-Land, Metroid is a copy of Jet Set Willy... They're not groundbreaking games, they didn't create new genres. They must be garbage.
>Alien Soldier, Gunstar Heroes Perhaps the only few actual arguments here. but Contra 3 and Cybernator exist. inb4 slowdown and you can't go fast
Slowdown and you can't go fast are certainly very good arguments to begin with. Contra 3 is vastly inferior to Contra Hard Cops. Megadrive had the best arcade games of its generation. And this energy doesn't only apply to the gameplay, but to the presentation in general.
Let's take a look at Musha for example, the game that you already discarded because you only pay attention to super popular thing. Aside from being a very fun game that would have made the snes explode, it has a super intense soundtrack and really cool designs of robots mixed with elements from feudal Japan. This kind of 'edginess' was another cool thing about MD.
>Sonic 3, Shinobi 2/3, Flashback, Generations Lost you're saying SNES had no answer to platformers? really?
It certainly has no answer to Sonic, Shinobi, Gunstar Heroes, SOR, Thunder Force, Dynamite Headdy, Ecco the Dolphin...

[Anonymous No.10179234]

>>10176323
i got the model 1 mega drive and model 2 mega cd without the extender piece and i feel like a jabroni every time i look at it.
the games are fun though and i don't put the thing out on display so it's all good.

[Anonymous No.10179587]

The SNES didn't even have a decent games library, and this thread just continues to demonstrate the sad extent to which that is the case.
>muh DONKEY KONG!
>muh MARIO!
>muh ZELDA!
All the SNES offers is trite, overrated, overplayed Nintendo IP's, shitty RPG Maker tier shovelware from SquareSoft before they hit their prime on the PlayStation, and massively inferior versions of games from series like Contra or Castlevania, for which there are far better alternatives on the more powerful 16-bit hardwares.
>>10176115
>>10178017
>>10178031
>>10178053
Just look at the incredible variety here, with yet more to choose from. Yet, the retort? The same handful of overrated tendie IP's. That is because this kind of variety and depth of library simply does not exist for the SNES. It does for the PC Engine, it does for the X68000, it does for the Neo Geo, the SNES is the only outlier. Yet I'm supposed to believe it's better than the Mega Drive, much less the "best console EVAR!!!!"? What a sad joke of a console, a shit stain in the otherwise excellent 16-bit era.

[Anonymous No.10179673]

>>10178187
You have the N64 person mindset. You always stay safe with Nintendo games. There was always renting games and being at other people's houses. While there were plenty of games I never heard of until later, I still played Gunstar Heroes with friends, had Rocket Knight Adventures, rented Bio-Hazard Battle, and had Wings of Wor.

[Anonymous No.10179687]

I don't understand retro console warring. There were basically no bad consoles back then, unless you count jank like the Tiger Electronics handhelds or something, and even those are worth looking at for other reasons. Can just agree that different consoles were good for different reasons

I don't know what a bad retro console even looks like. Apple Pippin maybe? First gen N-Gage?

[Anonymous No.10179702]

>>10179687
>There were basically no bad consoles back then
The 2.68 mhz SNES was one of them. It's not "console warring" to point out the many ways in which the SNES might be disappointing or lacking in appeal.

[Anonymous No.10179703]

>>10179234
It surprises me no one sells a 3D printed mega CD 2 extender. I'd buy one for $5

[Anonymous No.10179716]

>>10179703
Probably too specific, it's a good idea though

[Anonymous No.10179723]

>>10179587
It doesn't get more mentally ill than saying the PC-Engine and the Neo Geo have more variety than the Super Famicom. That's genuine insanity.

[Anonymous No.10179753]

>>10175772
I really like Knuckles Chaotix and Virtua Racing Deluxe on the 32X. SEGA CD is my favorite but 32X deserves some recognition as well

[Anonymous No.10179920]

>>10179723
>Super Famicom
Horse racing simulator's are not "variety". Telling that you have no real retort.

[Anonymous No.10179928]

>>10179687
>There were basically no bad consoles back then
>blocks your path

[Anonymous No.10180049]

>>10179920
SNES isn't my favorite system but it does have a ton of great JP-only stuff.

The Goemon games are great, and 2 is probably the best action platformer on the system if not in the top running for it. You've got Majuu-Oh, Firemen, Umihara Kawase, Violinist of Hamelin, and GS Mikami which are all pretty solid. Interesting stuff like Septentrion and Clock Tower and Fire Wrasslin'. Two of the best beat 'em ups on the system, Undercover Cops and Ghost Chaser Densei, are JP-only. And that's not even touching the huge number of JP-only JRPGs like SD3, Far East of Eden, Live a Live, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Treasure Hunter G, Treasures of Rudras, Maka Maka, Chaos Seed, Dual Orb 2, Last Bible III, Feda, etc.

[Anonymous No.10180064]

>>10179928
That's not the Jaguar, Virtual Boy, Watara Supervision, nor Atari 5200.

[Anonymous No.10180129]

>>10179928
That one isn't bad either. Played plenty of games on it with my cousins as a kid and still have my childhood console

[Anonymous No.10180170]

>>10178757
No it doesn't. My claim was Nintendo stopped licensing their properties out to third parties (like animation studios) after the CDI games and the Mario movie flopped. They didn't want people mishandling their IP and damaging their reputation by proxy anymore. It speaks nothing to the popularity of the Mario cartoon, which was popular enough to get three series. The movie flopped because it was Mario in name only; have you even seen it? It's a live action cyberpunk movie where all the Toads and Goombas are reptilian dinosaurs rather than mushroom people, and Bowser is a mafia boss/corrupt corporate executive. No fucking wonder no kid liked it. Also, I'm fairly certain it was rated PG13

>>10178748
>you made a minor spelling mistake, that means I win
Retard. The conversation was about the Genesis vs the Super Nintendo originally, why would I be comparing an 8 bit console vs a 16 bit, when they only shared store shelves for maybe 1-2 years?

[Anonymous No.10180178]

>>10179673
When you're 9 years old, you don't have the money to go around buying games sight unseen. You can say I was being conservative, and yeah I was. Expecting consumers to take a gamble is a death sentence for your company, which is why the Saturn flopped outside of Japan. I would've loved to have seen it perform better, just like I would've loved to have seen SEGA consoles live into the 21st century. But we have to take reality for what it is.

[Anonymous No.10180184]

>>10180064
>Jaguar
What a wasted opportunity that was. More powerful than either the SNES or Genesis. Wasn't it 32bit?

[Anonymous No.10180286]

>>10180049
Overrated platform games and JRPG non games.

[Anonymous No.10180516]

>>10180286
Overrated response and FAG non-answer

[Anonymous No.10180530]

>>10180049
For some reason this board thinks only JP-exclusive Saturn games exist when they're on every platform, not that it makes them any more interesting. May as well add Parodius and Cotton 100% to that list, even if they're not SNES exclusives

>>10180064
Virtual Boy and Supervision are not that bad. I haven't tried Jaguar or Atari 5200

[Anonymous No.10180537]

>>10179673
>You have the N64 person mindset.
Tendies could have fun with Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Illusion of Gaia, Earthworm Jim, Mega Man, Ghouls'n Ghosts, Mortal Kombat or licenced games like Aladdin or Tiny Toons just fine during the times of Nes or SNES.
They didn't start hating video games (except for the Nintendo ones) until the N64, and that was the result of sour grapes and jealousy.

[Anonymous No.10180605]

>>10179920
The Neo Geo is the biggest waste of potential in gaming history. So much its library is just shitty fighting games.

[Anonymous No.10180615]

>>10180178
Rental market dominated back then, you fucking zoomie. You just outright ignored the content of his post. He mentioned rentals and borrowing. Genesis won in America, the gaming market that accounted for 90% of profit during the 90s

[Anonymous No.10180627]

>>10180537
>Street Fighter,
On everything
>Final Fantasy,
Phantasy shits on 4. 6 is the first FF that is actually a classic.
>Castlevania,
Bloodlines is better
>Illusion of Gaia,
Nobody knew about this back then
>Earthworm Jim,
Better on genesis
>Mega Man,
Everyone dislikes 7 (even though i don't), so you've got x1&2 (X3 sucks).
>Ghouls'n Ghosts,
Better on genesis
>Mortal Kombat
Better on genesis
>Licenced games like Aladdin or Tiny Toons
Better on genesis

[Anonymous No.10180628]

>>10178406
Youtube isn’t even 20 years old and you weren’t using it day one, larping faggot.

[Anonymous No.10180629]

>>10177980
Honestly the bottom one could look decent if it was centered

[Anonymous No.10180640]

>>10180627
>Nobody knew about this back then
It sold way better than Bloodlines ever did on the sports and Sonic console.

[Anonymous No.10180646]

>>10175772
I'm so disappointed that if I want to take the plunge and buy a 32X now I have to pay some eBay piece of shit upwards to $200.
>>10175783
The Sega CD has a bunch of great games, and the 32X is cool because there are some neat projects that actually utilize the hardware. Doom 32X Resurrection, the Yeti 3D engine and OpenLara are impressive works for the 32X. Also Metal Head rules.

[Anonymous No.10180660]

>>10180640
Again, the rental market dominated over sales, zoomie.
A game that sold 30,000 copies for rented 1 million times.

[Anonymous No.10180665]

>>10180660
Nobody rented it either.

[Anonymous No.10180819]

>>10180665
Gee i couldn't help but notice Illusion of gaia wasn't on that list... You fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.10180881]

>>10180615
No it fucking didn't. That's why the Saturn sold a third of the N64 and a TENTH of the PS1, and most of the Saturn sales were in Japan.
(You) are the projecting Zoomie trying to rewrite history. The Saturn was a flop, objectively. Especially in the west.

[Anonymous No.10181015]

>>10180530
It's crazy because SNES and PS1 both have a ton of interesting JP-only stuff. Mega Drive has some real JP-only gems too.

[Anonymous No.10181109]

>>10180184

Two 32 bit CPUs on the same 64 bit wide data bus. In Atari logic, that made it a 64 bit system because it could handle 64 bit instructions.

[Anonymous No.10181154]

>>10179928
>t. never got to own this king of 3D consoles
Let it out, anon.

[Anonymous No.10181279]

>be me in class, ~2010
>not paying attention, I read the topic in the textbook the previous night
>boot After Burner 32x on my netbook to play a round
>shut it off after
>someone taps my shoulder
>they ask me to keep playing because the people behind me were watching

You can't top the classics.

[Anonymous No.10181287]

>>10180881
Nobody is talking about the saturn you silly fucking nigger, your post is just incoherent rambling

[Anonymous No.10181294]

>>10181154
They'll never know

[Anonymous No.10181339]

>>10181287
Genesis* my bad.
I'm also participating in a thread about the Saturn

My original comment and multiple comments after refer specifically to the Super Nintendo and the Genesis, and that was the context of the conversation. If you go back and read it, you will see that.
>>10177867
>>10178075
>>10178187

[Anonymous No.10181341]

>>10181015
>Mega Drive has some real JP-only gems too
You have to like SHMUPs though but they're really good ones

[Anonymous No.10181384]

>>10175783
its not a complete tower of power unless it has S3K inserted into the 32x

[Anonymous No.10181462]

>>10181154
>low res, bad fps, blurry, puke textures, shitty music
thank god i sold it and bought a dreamcast