/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10152292]

Looking back, Metal Slug wasn't very good at all.

[Anonymous No.10152293]

Possibly the best graphics in any game ever made.

[Anonymous No.10152302]

>>10152293
gets old when you still see the same recycled explosions and enemy sprites six games into the series

[Anonymous No.10152327]

>>10152302
Go make some more then.

[Anonymous No.10152338]

Inb4 auto-fire schizo.

[Anonymous No.10152346]

graphicslop

[Anonymous No.10152376]

>>10152292
I hated when multiple sprites on-screen had synchronized animations, taking you away from the game world.

[Anonymous No.10152420]

>>10152292
Metal Slug was perfectly fine. I prefer it to Contra even, mainly because of the style it has over rather generic sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.10152428]

only ms2 and 4 sucks

[Anonymous No.10152436]

>>10152420
I prefer Conta because I like fast paced, more responsive games. I'm not going to claim Metal Slug is bad though because I'm not a retard and also I enjoy the first 3 Metal Slug games (3 less so, but the graphics are so damn good).

[Anonymous No.10152461]

>>10152436
And that's totally fine. Contra is damn sharp and refined for what it tries to accomplish. Metal Slug is more style over substance, but despite slower controls it's balanced with it in mind. Usually.

[Anonymous No.10152471]

>>10152292
The 'tank control game' of 2D games.

[Anonymous No.10152479]

>>10152292
Only the game in your image, Slug 1, 2, and 4 are all top notch.

>>10152461
There's probably some kind of term for this, but just because a game has great presentation and production value doesn't mean it's compensating for mediocre gameplay. Metal Slug is both style AND substance. It's a much more challenging and nuanced game than Contra, and a much better looking and sounding game.

Contra is still a good series of course, and it does have that advantage that the games feel very distinct from one another.

[Anonymous No.10152496]

>>10152479
Huh? I always thought MS3 was the most acclaimed. Best graphics in the series, diverse gameplay and branching pathways for revisit value

[Anonymous No.10152529]

>>10152496
That's our resident ms2fag, polluting Metal Slug threads for months.

[Anonymous No.10152604]

Great spriting talent wasted on ugly art direction

[Anonymous No.10152893]

>>10152496
No, MS3 is bloated and gimmicky, with many poorly designed bosses and sections.

[Anonymous No.10152903]

>>10152529
>Metal slug has its ausfag now
I hate this board

[Anonymous No.10152909]

>>10152436
>I enjoy the first 3 Metal Slug games
What's wrong with the post-3 games?

[Anonymous No.10152923]

Like most SNK games it's style over substance.

[Anonymous No.10152932]

Metal Slug 2 is the best Metal Slug if you ignore the slowdown, lag, the constant deaths because of the slowdown and lag, and the amount of money you spent trying to play the game at the arcade. It had beautiful visuals and great gameplay, more easily observed in a modern emulator that removes certain elements that haters find unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.10152971]

They're overanimated and feel floaty and unresponsive to play. People just like to soiface over the heckin' epic pixel art.

[Anonymous No.10153050]

>>10152971
>floaty and unresponsive
That's because they run at 30fps (with a few 60fps animations added to try to trick you into thinking it's 60fps).

[Anonymous No.10153053]

X and 3 are great, 1 is okay but the rest aren't worth playing.

[Anonymous No.10153060]

>>10152327
Such a fun explosion. Getting the right feel for an explosion just make game fun.

[Anonymous No.10153062]

>>10152893
This
Bosses are bullet sponges that don't take in to account the frames you need to take it down in a rewarding fashion and NO MISS

The section with the elevators is just so slow and awful. Metal Slug is a horrible vertical series, because the tower boss in 2 is also abysmal.

[Anonymous No.10153065]

>>10152909
4 and up are made by koreans and not the R-Type creators. Just like Korean games and anime, it's made to draw you in to spend money with minimal substance.

[Anonymous No.10153109]

>>10153065
4 is the korean one, the later ones were made by, at the time, Playmore. 5 has good things, but its unfinished and some stuff feels weird by the end, also the slide is going to screw your muscle memory. I couldn't find 6 that amusing, but I haven't played it for years so I need to give it another chance.

[Anonymous No.10153124]

I like 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y51X8jFa6K8

[Anonymous No.10153149]

Really good algorithm on the background to get that animation pixel perfect.

[Anonymous No.10153153]

No other game will look this good but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.10153157]

[Anonymous No.10153161]

Wonder if SNK also used the keyboard to do the pixel art instead of a mouse or pen.

[Anonymous No.10153168]

[Anonymous No.10153170]

[Anonymous No.10153178]

>>10153170
sovliest sovl that ever sovled

[Anonymous No.10153217]

~ /vr/'s official run 'n gun series tierlist ~

God Tier:
Elevator Action

High Tier:
Rolling Thunder

Mid Tier:
Contra

Low Tier:
Metal Slug

Trash Tier:
Gunstar Heroes (along with the rest of Treasure's output)

[Anonymous No.10153220]

>>10153109
Playmore is Korean too.

Nazca went back to Irem to make the Disaster Report games, Bumpy Trot, and more R-Type games when 4 and up were being made.

[Anonymous No.10153238]

>>10153220
>Nazca went back to Irem
Kazuma Kujo is the only MS staffer who returned to Irem and he did so before the 1st game was even completed.. After MS3 none of the other Nazca crew worked on any video games again. Until this year

[Anonymous No.10153247]

>>10153220
Nazca staff disappeared into the crowd after making MS3. Only very few of them (like HIYA) ever left anonimity and let people know they were part of the team.

[Anonymous No.10153282]

>>10152971
They actually have a lot of nuance, complex routing, and surprisingly deep mechanics. They are the pinnacle of run and gun game design when played without slowdown.

>>10153053
Horrible taste and probably a shitter

[Anonymous No.10153310]

>>10153247
The entire Slug team has been known for years..

[Anonymous No.10153319]

What are the genuinely great run n guns?

[Anonymous No.10153321]

>>10153282
lmfao

[Anonymous No.10153339]

>>10153319
Metal Slug 1, Metal Slug 2, Metal Slug 4, Hard Corps, Hard Corps Uprising, and Cuphead

[Anonymous No.10153342]

>>10153310
Most of the guys from 2, X and 3 are still only known by their pseudonyms.

[Anonymous No.10153352]

>>10153342
Literally every single one is known actually

[Anonymous No.10153353]

>>10153342
perhaps metal slug never was real

[Anonymous No.10153401]

>>10153339
>Metal Slug 4, Hard Corps Uprising
Please stop shitposting, I am begging you.

[Anonymous No.10153404]

>>10152932
>he didn't use the slowdown as bullet time to dodge projectiles

[Anonymous No.10153409]

>>10153404
>he used the slowdown as easymode on demand

[Anonymous No.10153414]

>>10153409
Hey I was a kid with limited coins.

[Anonymous No.10153416]

>>10153414
ok fair nuff

[Anonymous No.10153597]

>>10153401
Shut shitter retard. Probably have zero clears of any of the Slugs or Contras.

[Anonymous No.10153681]

ms2fag thread

[Anonymous No.10153701]

Damn, are Konamifags as bad as Capcom and Nintendo ones? The list of things without horrible fanbases is shrinking more and more

[Anonymous No.10153708]

>>10152292
This is the dumbest opinion ever.

[Anonymous No.10153716]

>>10153701
only the /vr/ones

[Anonymous No.10153717]

>>10153339
All those games are great except Uprising. That game forgot only understood what Contra was at a surface level

[Anonymous No.10153743]

>>10152292
at least they aren't as shitty as treasure run 'n guns

[Anonymous No.10153745]

>>10153701
Dude are you kidding? Contra and Castlevania fans have been among the most insufferable people on the internet for at least 15 years now.

[Tarnbeck No.10154152]

>>10152292
Only the first one was good. It was stupid after that.

[Anonymous No.10154158]

God this board really hates games doesn't it.

[Anonymous No.10154161]

An average run and gun, but overflowing with SOUL. It's objectively a work of Art.

[Anonymous No.10154165]

>>10153743
Do you ever sleep?

[Anonymous No.10154181]

>>10152338
I use autofire and I don't care if that makes me not legit, I don't want a repetitive strain injury from playing video games

[Anonymous No.10154189]

>>10154165
Auster has trained multiple AIs on his posts so they can shitpost for him when he sleeps

[Anonymous No.10154209]

>>10153745
>Contra and Castlevania fans have been among the most insufferable people on the internet for at least 15 years now
I dunno, I've been on 4chan for 15 years and I don't remember them being insufferable a decade ago. Honestly to me it feels like it happened at the same time people started saying REmake, MGS3, and other games that were universally praised on 4chan back then are bad games

[Anonymous No.10154870]

>>10153743
Gunstar Heroes is great.

[Anonymous No.10154887]

>>10153124
5 is one of the better ones (and it correlates to being one of the shorter ones).

[Anonymous No.10154892]

Is Contra good too or is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.10156036]

>>10154892
just like metal slug, only the first is good

[Anonymous No.10156046]

>>10154181
You won't get rsi if you stay relaxed. Think of how fast guitarists make the exact same movement and do it their entire lives. It's all about how much strain you're feeling. Hence repetitive "strain" injury. I know the temptation is to go as fast as you possibly can, but very few games require that.

Having said that, I'm not going to tell you not to use auto fire, I'm just saying you'll only get a repetitive strain injury of you repeatedly strain yourself.

[Anonymous No.10156061]

>>10156036
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO!

[Anonymous No.10156329]

>>10154892
Yeah.

HCU > Hard Corps > Super C NES > Contra NES > Operation C > Contra 3 > Contra AC > Super Contra AC

[Anonymous No.10156331]

30 fps action games are all shit

[Anonymous No.10156365]

>>10156331
back to fortnite zoomie.

[Anonymous No.10156369]

Am i retarded for liking 4 the most?

[Anonymous No.10156385]

>>10156369
well why exactly do you like 4 the most?

[Anonymous No.10156389]

>>10152292
That's bullshit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.10156392]

>>10156369
Are you Korean?
Yes, yes you are.
Cheap shitty cash grab with no personality unlike the rest. Original 4 are the best, 4 is unapologetically abortion of the series material, and 5 and 6 are cheap thrills but entertaining.

[Anonymous No.10156398]

>>10156036
Super C, Contra 3, Hard Corps, Shattered Solider are all fantastic games.

The Metal Slugs are all pretty samey but consistently good too.

[Anonymous No.10156426]

>>10156392
Not him, but 4 has really solid level design and bosses with minimal bloat and gimmick bullshit.


Best to worst:
2 (no slowdown)
4
1
X (only because it's heavily based on 2, a lot of the changes suck)
3
Advance

Need to spend more time on 5-7 to rank them properly.

[Anonymous No.10156504]

What is the issue with Hard Corps Uprising

[Anonymous No.10156532]

>>10156504
Nothing, great game.

[Anonymous No.10156675]

>>10156426
how do you avoid slowdown in 2? Emulation?

[Anonymous No.10156692]

>>10156675
Yes, all the games are best played emulated to overclock CPU to remove slowdown, and also the ability to enable autofire.

[Anonymous No.10157409]

>>10152292
>Metal Slug wasn't very good
I got banned on here a couple of years ago for saying that. Lol. Jannies are such pathetic autists. I hope they all get testicle aids.

[Anonymous No.10157836]

>>10157409
>i dindu nuffin
>eyes just says my opinion

>verbatim excerpt of the post
>"anyone who likes this overrated trash is a retarded nigger faggot tranny who should kill themselves"
>24 hour ban
>still bitches today

[Anonymous No.10157839]

>>10157836
muh freedom of speech

[Anonymous No.10159162]

[Anonymous No.10159167]

[Anonymous No.10159171]

[Anonymous No.10159663]

>>10159167
This looks impressive at first glance, but once your eye notices that the individual planks move to the right it breaks and you realize it's just a 3 frame loop that scrolls to the left.

[Anonymous No.10159682]

>>10156426
Gimmicks, they could be here. Gimmicks they could be anywhere. Oh how I hate gimmicks, the world of gaming would be so much better if there were no gimmicks.

[Anonymous No.10159776]

>>10159663
no idea what you're trying to say here.

[Anonymous No.10159790]

>>10152292
i played it last week and i can confirm that you are a silly man with silly ideas

[Anonymous No.10159984]

Is there a site that shows the differences between different rom versions? The ms3 rom I have has censored blood and it just doesn't feel the same.

[Anonymous No.10160013]

>>10159171
Where is this done in the game? I don't remember this, was this in 3?

[Anonymous No.10160029]

>>10160013
it's at the very end of 3

[Anonymous No.10160106]

>>10159984
nvm I figured it out, it's just turned off by default in the options mode apparently

[Anonymous No.10160117]

>>10160013
Bro das my nigga rootmars spittin bars

[Anonymous No.10160165]

>>10152302
I hate fucks like you ruining our video games. There is no problem with this as long as the developer makes a good game each iteration with good level design.

[Anonymous No.10160175]

>>10152302
Why fix what isn't broken

[Anonymous No.10160178]

>>10156692
>ability to enable autofire.
Yeah, autofire is great because it helps empower disabled trans people to play games which would otherwise be beyond their skill level.

[Anonymous No.10160247]

>>10160013
>Don't fuck with us MS fans, we've never played the games!

[Anonymous No.10160259]

>>10160178
can you fuck off back to "/v/" (pol) or just kys? You're meant to actually talk about videogames here.

[Anonymous No.10160660]

>>10160259
But I am tho?

[Anonymous No.10162131]

>>10152292
Contra is better

[Anonymous No.10162147]

>>10162131
and lasted less.

[Anonymous No.10163459]

>>10152302
not really

[Anonymous No.10163712]

>>10159663
You can get it back if you just stare at the peak of the planks and keep your eye on that spot as it moves past.

[Anonymous No.10163806]

>>10152292
Metal Slug is great.
>>10156369
No, I personally think it's not very good but it has some nice things. I really dislike the final boss fight from the perspective of playing the game in full, but separately, I think it's the most interesting one in the series. I also like the one with fake Morden in a tank and the giant theme park robot, those are fun to fight.
>>10156426
What's wrong with Advance? I haven't played it much but I thought it was passable. Also wouldn't say that 4 has the least gimmick stuff when there's quite a few vehicle segments in the game (not like the slugs, but when you're on a bike/truck and have to fight off enemies) that are quite unnatural.

[Anonymous No.10163818]

Looking back, your mom also wasn't very good in bed either. But your father still played her and now we have you.

[Anonymous No.10163824]

>>10152292
>Looking back, Metal Slug wasn't very good at all.
also contained a software bug that was never fixed which slowed the game down when too many sprites were on the screen. ONE wrong m68k instruction that took too many cycles during screen update.
>>10152302
facts. and the same sound effects/voices also get a bit repetitive. love the game regardless. there wasn't anything like it when it was released and blew my mind when i first saw as a kid in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.10163880]

>>10159663
Yeah that's because it's not supposed to be stared at as a looping gif in one place.

[Anonymous No.10164219]

>>10163824
>also contained a software bug that was never fixed which slowed the game down when too many sprites were on the screen. ONE wrong m68k instruction that took too many cycles during screen update.
That was Metal Slug 2 only, and it was fixed which is why Metal Slug X exists...

[Anonymous No.10164348]

>>10160013

[Anonymous No.10165078]

>>10152292
https://youtu.be/ytaCTtAyHh4?t=114

[Anonymous No.10165407]

>>10159663
I still don't get what you mean, it looks great

[Anonymous No.10165416]

>>10165078
>>>/mu/
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.10165721]

>>10156692
>played emulated to overclock CPU
how do you do this in MAME? or are you using a different emulator?

[Anonymous No.10165730]

>>10165721
On MAME you have to enable cheats. For some fucking reason the mamedevs are lazy retards who refuse to let you save this setting because they might get 1% more complaints from users using overclock. They also make the bar increment up slow as hell to make it a pain every time.

In MAME core, you can make a save state at the bootup screen of the 400% overclock and then just load it (only works in MAME core as regular MAME save states ignore CPU overclock settings)

[Anonymous No.10165819]

>>10152292
Errrm shut up ??

[Anonymous No.10165958]

Is MS7 good? seems underpriced

[Anonymous No.10165960]

>>10165958
Good bosses, mediocre gimmicks, shit plot.

[Anonymous No.10166015]

>>10165960
who the fuck is playing Metal Slug for the plot?

>>10165958
Play XX, it's basically 7 but with much less crippling slowdown

[Anonymous No.10166185]

>>10164219
Metal Slug x is worse than 2.

[Anonymous No.10166189]

>>10162131
Even if it is it's only barely better.

[Anonymous No.10166235]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddViBiM08_A
>When the game you were enjoying gets really shitty out of nowhere

[Anonymous No.10166260]

>>10164219
metal slug 1 had same problem. arcade version was never fixed as far as i can recall.

>>10166185
very much so.

[Anonymous No.10166267]

>>10166260
>metal slug 1 had same problem
No it did not. Please play the game before you shitpost.

[Anonymous No.10166451]

>>10152292
I still replay it every x years. The game is great.

[Anonymous No.10167284]

>>10152292
You can't tell from the title. Wtf is a metal slug? Screeches when it slides over the ground... totally doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.10167307]

>>10166235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DDUvo73I64
>When the game you were enjoying gets really hype all of a sudden

[Anonymous No.10167317]

>>10166015
>who the fuck is playing Metal Slug for the plot?
Everybody, because it's the direct reason for all the cool sprites made for the games (rebel soldiers, mummies, mutant people/plants/bugs/crabs, giant eels, giant bugs, WWII japanese soldiers, robots, aliens, zombies, zombie aliens, aliens that eat other aliens, etc.)
Metal Slug 7 had... generic time-travelling color-swapped rebels. It's about as much of a letdown as MS4 in that regard.

[Anonymous No.10167383]

>>10167317
>Everybody

[Anonymous No.10167392]

>>10167383
Metal Slug games all play the same save for one or two new vehicles/weapons here and there. People pick favorites for the sprite work they're shooting at.

[Anonymous No.10169119]

Are metal slug girls sexy or cool?

[Anonymous No.10169254]

>>10169119
cute
and
funny

[Anonymous No.10169265]

>Retards at 4chan: "Duuuuur! Metal Slug has good graphics only because it was made by a huge development team with experienced professionals!"
>Metal Slug was literally made by 17 people with the artist only working in a few games before Metal Slug:
https://www.mobygames.com/game/5005/metal-slug-super-vehicle-001/credits/arcade/

[Anonymous No.10169276]

>>10169265
17 people is a lot for a 2D arcade game

[Anonymous No.10169710]

>>10169265
The 1st game was also in development for at least 2 years so it had a lot more time to cook than the usual arcade game. The most critical factor in the graphics department is that Akio is a complete madman who animates way more than he needs to.

[Anonymous No.10171001]

wasted $10 on the mobile bundle for my nephew - what a piece of fuck.

[Anonymous No.10171005]

>>10169119
yes

[Anonymous No.10171772]

I want to know what Fio smells like after missions.
I want to know what Fio smells like after sex.

[Anonymous No.10171776]

>>10171772
>That one pixel offset to the right, under her crop top, on the third frame of the animation
Hot

[Anonymous No.10171996]

>>10171772
She canonically looks like this after BIG missions!

[Anonymous No.10172396]

>>10171776
Is this a fan edit or are SNK that good?

[Anonymous No.10172410]

>>10171772
You could just meet a real woman.

[Anonymous No.10172953]

>>10152292
Depends what you mean.
Gameplay is ok at best, but that was always the case. Gameplay was never the point of a Metal Slug game. The point was to use graphics, level and boss design and sound/music to tell an immersive "story" through gameplay - story you feel rather that watch.
Kinda like a silent movie, or a textless cartoon. Every level is a creative vignette that orbits around a central theme, and honestly no other run'n'gun does this properly - Gunstar Heroes gets sort of close at times.

The only modern "Metal Slug inspired" game that gets it is Cuphead, even though it plays nothing like Metal Slug - it understand what was good about Cuphead, that good art and good boss design are a kind of storytelling.

[Anonymous No.10172964]

>>10172953
>Gameplay is ok at best, but that was always the case. Gameplay was never the point of a Metal Slug game
why do shitters come in here and regurgitate this misinformation? Metal Slug's actual mechanics, level and enemy design principles are top-notch and the gold standard for the genre. The only mark against them is they are 30fps with a lot of slowdown, but emulation can fix the latter.