/vr/ - Retro Games

LMAO we got him bros

>urgh where's all the long drawn out rpgs and slow ass adventure games where you yah yah as a gay elf to shitty midi music

>>9990063
Your taste is bad and you should feel bad for this low effort shitpost.

>>9990068
Zwei's gameplay could be achieved with a DVD player. It's literally just dragging a cursor around with very basic movement mechanics.

>my opinion: the thread
hidden

I was about to call you gay but there’s probably some fags out there with good taste who enjoy the Saturns library, so to be fair to them I’ll call you a nigger instead

This board needs a way of verifying age before someone can post. Zoomers have the most shit opinions.

>>9990103
Embedded psx emulator as captcha where you have to beat Driver's tutorial in order to post.

>>9990119
Jej, full gran turismo 2 license plus a sega rally championship

>>9990119
>beat Driver's tutorial
that would be great, there’d be like 50 posters only, for years. i did it as a kid. if yiu want to guarantee, everybody has to beat the black car in ridge racer. that’ll vaporize the retard population

It wasn't supposed to be good. It was an arcade game reproduction console like the home NeoGeo.

>>9990228
>It wasn't supposed to be good.
I didn’t even think I could conceive of levels of cope such as this.

>>9990063
I tried to warn you dawg.

The Sega Shiturn was a fucking mistake that hemorrhaged Sega beyond repair. Fuck it.

>>9990237
At least it’s better than the N64, that’s the best that I can say about it.

>>9990063
Why did you buy one lol, you could've just emulated it. Anyway it's not terrible, maybe not as good as PS1 or Dreamcast but there's still a handful of solid titles on it.

>>9990232
Some consoles in Japan simply made money on porting existing games to it. The only development they had control of was Virtua Fighter. Capcom and SNK had a great relationship with Sega. Sega looked at 3D from a VR experience perspective so they weren't thinking about polishing platformers with polygon effects and certainly not on RPGs.

>>9990063
You could have at least bought the cool one so it looks good collecting dust on your shelf.

>>9990063
There's a ton of great games on the Saturn. What did you try playing so far? Give me your list and I'll recommend you some games that you haven't played yet.

>>9990253
I’m aware of the Saturn’s story, but to think that Sega didn’t want commercial success for the Saturn outside of the domestic arcade market is incorrect. They of course wanted it to be a success, to be good.

>>9990263
It's not like they tried to be Sony. They had no idea all that competition was coming and it was too late. Sony was taking losses on the hardware to crush Sega.

>>9990265
I agree with you that Sony did a better job, but that doesn’t mean the Saturn was supposed to be a failure. I don’t see how the two are related. Sega tried their best and it wasn’t nearly good enough. Simple as.

>>9990241
>better than the N64

This statement is beyond true. I’ve played (actual oem hardware) and emulated almost every system from PS1/Saturn era to earlier but never N64. It’s just not that great. NES and SNES are better. GameCube is hilariously better and that only has a few games I can fondly remember. Combat on Atari 2600 is more fun than games on N64.

Shitposting aside, the Saturn has very few games that interest me.
Panzer Saga, Enemy Zero, Luciennes Quest and freaking Congo.

>>9990267
There's a battle for developer's time. There's also cashflow. There's the retailers choosing who to back.

>>9990281
I actual loved my N64 and it was the only console that I had as a kid for awhile. But I’m not going to pretend like I didn’t drop that shit for the ps2 as soon as I could. N64 had some great games, just so few of them. I think the Saturn has a pretty poor library, but the n64’s is even worse somehow.

>>9990281
Mario 64, Mario Kart, 007, Perfect Dark. All very much worth the time, but that's pretty much it. Most N64 adventure games were overrated by people that didn't have a PSX. First Smash Bros was meh.

>>9990325
One of my favorite games was Spider-Man in the n64 and when I got a ps2 and played it on there, I realized how much worse the N64 version was. No music etc…

>>9990302
Those games interest you? A D-tier JRPG and fucking Congo?

>>9990329
Don't talk shit about Congo.

One of the finest retro Doomvanias out there.

>>9990329
Albert odyssey, Astal, Burning Rangers, Die Hard, House of the Dead, Magic Knight Rayearth, NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon games, Powerslave, Sakura Taisen for the weebs, Bomberman, Radiant Silvergun, Shining Force III, Shining the Holy Ark, virtual on.
Saturn library is pretty limited, but there are some good ones imo.

>>9990316
>Saturn has a pretty poor library, but the n64’s is even worse somehow.

I’ve been playing those weird translated jrpgs for NES (Tao and that other one called Lagrange Point) and fun action games for SNES (Xardion - it’s shit but way better than N64). And Quovadis 2 for the Saturn but only one mission a week cuz I’m busy with Third World War on Sega CD.

Regardless, I’ve never found anything noteworthy on N64 and that’s disappointing considering before and after N64 are awesome.

>>9990063
there's a cart you can buy that allows you to play burned discs so you don't have to buy the games.

>>9990337
to add to that list:
bug too, clockwork knight 1 and 2, hang on gp, daytona, fighting vipers, astal, manx tt super bike, saturn bomberman, the legend of the oasis.

all really good games

>>9990068
Ah, the classic ADHD Sega fan

>>9990408
I got bomberman already but yeah those other choices are solid too. There’s at least 30-40 good Saturn games, which I consider the minimum for a system to be decent.

>>9990408
>bug too
>really good game

>>9990089
lol no you couldn't even replicate star fox properly with a dvd player much less panzer dragoon.

>>9990237
nah that was the 32x and sega of amercia being petty asshole that would rather see the company burn than follow what the japanese told them to do.

>>9990119
I remember years ago before /vr/ existed someone on /v/ made a thread about how people should be required to beat "Just Follow The Damn Train CJ" in GTASA before they could post on /v/.

>>9990408
>manx tt
based, no one talks about it, i feel it should be talked about just as much as games like sega rally and daytona

>>9990063
I made the same mistake. Luckily I made a profit when I sold it

Saturn had Metal Slug. PS1 couldn't run it.

>>9990535
>>9990119
I'll settle for just the first level of ghosts n goblins

>>9990604
Saturn couldn't run it either, have 2 enemies on screen and it slows down to 5fps.

>>9990329
>Congo The Lost city of Zinj
>Not kino

>>9990063
Are you insane? Here's how it could have easily beaten the Playstation...

>>9990237
well at least you can't cause any more harm, bernie

>>9990371
>Quovadis 2
I gotta replay that some day and get as many people killed as possible so I can see all the replacements

>>9990604
It's a terrible version of the game, but it exists.

>>9990604
But what's the point of playing this when you can just emulate the original Neo Geo version?

>>9990408
>>9990337
You forgot:
- Dragon Force
- Guardian Heroes
- Duke Nukem 3D
- Dark Savior
- Sega Rally
- Sonic Jam

>>9991358
Guardian Heroes is good. Sonic Jam is redundant if he already owns the Genesis games in some form (original carts, Mega Collection, Origins etc.)

>>9991358
Every Sonic game ever made is bad.

>>9990063
>I can't believe I got memed into buying one of these
Good news! No one else believed your sour grapes poorfag larp either.

>>9991521
>Saturn costs ~$75
>must be poorfag LARP
Do you really not believe that someone could have less than $100 worth of disposable income?

>>9990527
>nah that was the 32x
The 32X was inconsequential at worst. Not having a decent 5th gen console hurt Sega harder in the long run. When will you Saturn cultists stop using the 32X as your scapegoat and admit responsibility, that your console fucked Sega up more than anything?

>and sega of amercia being petty asshole that would rather see the company burn than follow what the japanese told them to do.
You mean telling the japs that the Saturn was terrible hardware design which would sink the company in manufacturing expenses, be super developer-unfriendly and ultimately fail against the competition for being a piece of shit that couldn't handle 3D games that the N64 and Playstation could run with ease, prompting them to rush a better system out (Dreamcast) even in your glorious japan where the Saturn supposedly was a success (but not really tho lol) to try to save face and make up for the Shiturn being a disastrous trainwreck?

Damn those Americans for being right.

>>9991521
I think you're the poorfag if you think a console that costs less than a single days pay is expensive. I mean shit the Saturn is cheaper than a Model 1 Genesis, and about the same price as a Dreamcast. There's very few console that are actually expensive unless it's some game special edition one or a nintendo handheld.

>>9990063
What games did you play on it and what other games do you like?

>>9990063
Which games for the system did you play? What are other 5th gen games on other consoles do you like?

>>9990281
>never emulated the N64 or played the actual hardware
So you never played it and think it's bad?

>got a Saturn in 2012
>was playing kino like Nights
>disc drive suddenly shit out
>spins slowly and then stops
>have to try a few times and it works
>now it just doesn't spin up
Should I just cave and get a new one or try and get this fixed?

>>9992795
Don't buy a new one get a MODE or whatever the current best optical disc emulator is. Alternatively you could get a cheap chink shit replacement laser

>>9991545
>The 32X was inconsequential at worst.
It split their resources and the original plan was incredibly stupid. Originally it was to be 32X for the US and EU until about 1996/1997 and then launch the Saturn when it was cheaper. When 32X was dead on arrival, Sega of Japan kneejerked and had Sega of America rush out the Saturn to sweep the 32X under the rug to prevent anymore damage.

As a result Sega of America was horribly behind with the Saturn when it came to having launch titles ready, developers ready, documentation, devkits, etc. ready for third parties, and more. If they had just focused on the Saturn, things could have turned out a lot differently. The 32X did by far the most damage to the company in the long run. It damaged consumer confidence, and it horribly damaged any chance the Saturn had for success outside of Japan.
>Not having a decent 5th gen console hurt Sega harder in the long run.
They had a decent 5th gen console. It's called the Saturn. It's no where near as weak as you make it out to be.
>You mean telling the japs that the Saturn was terrible hardware design...
Too much to quote here but that's not what happened. Kalinske was against the Saturn purely on cost, not the hardware or anything else. He was convinced no console over $200 would sell, and in 1993 Saturn was looking to be about $500. But by the time it launched in 1994 it was about $400 and by the time it should have launched in fall 1995 in the US it would be about $300. So that really wasn't as big of an issue.

As for the Dreamcast doing poorly in Japan, what did the most damage there was dropping the Saturn early. That pissed off third party developers and consumers.

>>9991762
>so you’ve never sat on a 14” dildo and you think it’s bad?

>>9992795
Try cleaning the laser. Worst case it doesn't help.
>>9992843
Fenrir is probably the best one if you're gonna replace the drive. If you don't want to replace the drive then get a Satiator.

>>9992851
Thank god they got Vampire Hunter out fast enough.

>>9991531
>>9991701
Looks like I hit a nerve. No amount of projecting or coping will change the fact that OP is larping.

>Saturn keeps getting more and more popular with retro enthusiast while Spectrum and amiga get more and more abandones
Auster on suicide watch

>>9993167
Show me 10 Saturn homebrew games made in the past year to prove your theory that Saturn popularity is rising. Oh wait, you can't, lmao!

>>9993175
Auster, nobody cares about your khv british "demo scenes", we care about japanese games made by good developers in the 90s, which your amiger has none.

>>9993181
Thanks for confirming Saturn "popularity" is just hipsterism and poofters sucking up to old jap corporations. Sad state of affairs.

Your failed sega system will never have 1/10th the popularity of either the Speccy or Amiga.

Cope and dilate until you inevitably suicide over the fact that the Shiturn is irredeemable trash.

>>9993203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brPP-OopwuM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phgLOEHQgoc

>>9990063
I use mine for daytona and konami msx collection, yes xbox 360 has a better version which I have but does the system even access the online store anymore. I haven't connected that thing to a crt in decades so I'll stick with saturn.

>>9992795
Power supply fails and can cause disc issues, I would get one of those modern replacements.

Why is Saturn emulation so bad? No clones either

>>9993130
All I did was ask you a question.

I'm learning there are two kinds of Saturn players, actual SEGA fans who like their other consoles and the crazy weebs who think it was designed specifically for their niche 2D Japanese games and hate everything else SEGA has made.

>>9993317
It's gotten better. I can play almost any game at full speed on my Chromebook and it's what some would consider midrange. Probably still not as optimized as it could be on lower end hardware, though.

>>9993317
You could help make it better, you
Know. Even if just in your spare time.

>>9993317
Beetle Saturn runs everything pretty good but has high hardware requirements, yaba sanshiro and Kronos need less but have graphical glitches etc on certain games. Would be great if it was like PSX emulation but we’re a long ways away from that I think. N64 has gotten way better but is still spotty as well.

>>9992852
Being gay is the first thing on the console warrior's mind.

>>9993175
>>9993181
What speccy or Amiga games made in the last 5 years are even worth playing Lmao, they’re usually just unfinished demos or ports of already existing games like the turrican 2 dos to AGA port

>>9993130
>Looks like I hit a nerve. No amount of projecting or coping will change the fact that OP is larping.
I'm not the one who thinks a saturns is expensive lol.

>>9993619
>I'm not the one who thinks a saturns is expensive lol.
Sure looks like you are. You're the one who's projecting and strawmanning. Simping or samefagging for a poorfag larper. The larper doth protest too much methinks. Back to your containment board consolewarrior /v/ermin.

>>9990281
Super Mario 64
Sin and Punishment
Star Fox 64
Mario Tennis 64
Mario Golf 64
Bangai 0
Custom Robo
Mario Kart 64
Smash Remix
F-Zero
Zelda OoT
Mystical Adventures of Goemon
Turok
Yoshis Story
Paper Mario
Rampage
World Driver Championship
Pilot Wings
Super Robot Spirits
Dezaemon 3d
Last Legion UX
mischief makers
rakuga kids
Perfect Dark
Goldeneye
Castlevania
Pokemon stadium 2

This is my list from playing my everdrive past few years of games I found to be at the worst 6/10 but most are at least 7.

Last Legion, Super Robot Spirits, Custom robo and lastly Bangai 0 are definitely nice lesser known titles.

This is my list without any Rare titles cept 007/Perfect dark too cause I literally have not played them. I honestly don't care a ton for Banjo, Dk64, or Conker. No Majora's mask either.

I'm finding plenty on N64. The main thing is you have anchor games on N64 like Mario 64, Zelda, 007/Perfect Dark that people grind thousands of hours over time, we keep coming back.

Saturn seems cool, I wanna get into it. It seems to not have any anchor games though? A badass game to grind and grind while you play some 10-20 hour tops side games along with it. Seems with Saturn you go fire up panzer, burning rangers, or nights and just go on reminiscing about what could have been and enjoying the Saturn for it's hardware uniqueness.

>>9993841
>anchor games
What is an anchor game? Saturn games respect your time.

>>9993203
>speccy
>amiger
>popular
Maybe with inbred brits who never has sex, not funcional humans

>>9993610
I hear Australia-kun's Descent Into Madness: the Nintendo Trauma is pretty funny

>>9993731
It’s ok anon, you too will own $75 one day.

>>9993946
Cope harder my little sour grapes poorfag larper.

>>9993175
There's literally a homebrew competition every year that gets about that many entries for homebrew and even more for hacks and translations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8EDi7UaU0s

>>9993975
.... australiakun? Your response?

>>9990063
Fuck you. Lunar and Lunar 2 were awesome but the Playstation remakes were better.

>>9994227
How are they better on the shitstation?
Also Sega CD originals better

>>9994227
The Playstation versions are identical except for
+better fmv
-worse music

>>9994309
>+better fmv
Yes
>-worse music
Backwards

Wow, you have, like, REALLY bad taste in video games. Consider fortnite or CoD, OP.

>>9990535
I fucked remember that. There was a wave of OC where people would photoshop video game emulators into the captcha. I must have still been in highschool at the time.

>>9994309
>+better fmv
Other than the very first release of Silver Star Story on Saturn, even this is debatable. Lunar's FMVs on PS1 have pretty awful compression so you're basically trading Cinepak artifacts for JPEG artifacts.

>>9994431
I mean they both look awful, and the pixel art cutscenes in the original Lunar 2 are better in every way. But overall I think the Playstation wins on that count. Especially since the Saturn needs an addon chip...

>>9994309
>>9994431
Sprite-based cutscenes > fmv cutscenes
SegaChaDs win again

>>9994443
> Especially since the Saturn needs an addon chip...
Those screens are from Lunar 2 which uses standard Cinepak. No VCD card required.

The main issue with Lunar Silver Star Story's original release isn't that it uses Cinepak, it's that they tried to cram it all on one disc which meant the FMVs had to be set to a much lower quality to fit. Even the PS1 version doesn't do this and splits the game across multiple discs.

>>9994227
>>9994309
>>9994431
Lunar is one of the worst JRPG's ever made. It's almost as bad as Ys.

>he bought a Saturn

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m6gWWOKTcYM

>>9990607

I mean we recently had a thread in which OP couldn't handle the difficulty of Super Mario RPG

>>9993841
Guardian Heroes or Radiant Silvergun are good games you can go back to again and again.

Why are PsX fans so obnoxious?

>>9994913
RSG maybe, GH definitely not. The 3 minute unskippable cutscene ruins it.

>>9994925
Just mash through the text.

>>9990063
Would have been funny if your png didn't have transparency.

>>9990068
This but unironically.

>>9994913
I will never understand the hype for Silvergun, especially when Hyper Duel and the Konami shmups are on the same console. It's like Saturn fans have horrible taste or something, oh wait

>>9994958
A nonplayer like yourself wouldn't understand.

>>9994961
Of course not

>>9994968
What is this emulator screenshot from two years ago supposed to prove?

>>9994970
Idk man, I just prefer good Saturn games over most of the weeb games Saturn fans consider "good"

>>9994980
Playing the arcade mode in a shitty fighting game. Classic. Definitely not in any position to judge a game's quality.

>People fall for the Saturn/Neogeo meme
Tell me you follow shitty youtubers without telling me you follow shitty youtubers where you consoom for the trends

>>9995004
Aren't you a gigantic n64 fag? why do you care about arcade games?

>>9995176
My man just look at this thread, sega shitters are all over the place. If you grew up with a genesis and never got a saturn it is kind of fun to see it for what it is.

>>9990063
Obviously you haven’t played Scud: The Disposable Assassin.

>>9994932
>Just mash through the text.

There's so much text and animations that it's ridiculously long even if you mash through the text.
The whole levelup system is also pretty fucked unless you specifically find places to abuse it, meaning you have to grind for 90% of the game so the last level isn't unplayably hard. I just always pick the dude with the sword and the bottom most route where he gets an upgrade that adds a fixed +6 to all stat, making the game suck less.

>>9990063
why didnt you emulate a couple games before you bought it retard, only yourself to blame

>>9993175
Saturn literally has some of the most homebrew made for it

>>9997760
You are fucking trolling, 300 sega xtreme what if demos does not make a rich homebrew scene

>>9997785
yea it does lmaffo

>>9995804
Imagine its 1996, you go over to a friend's house and he has a Saturn. You play Panzer Dragoon and Astal. Games that are far worse than, and arguably even uglier (people only post screenshots of level 1 of panzer for a reason) than Star Fox and Donkey Kong Country 2 on the Snezz. Who would want to drop 400 dollars on this "next gen" console?

>>9997791
cope, Genesis is substantially better and has full playable games. It's much easier to program for but that doesn't matter if you're just talking about "who has the best homebrew library"

>>9997804
na saturn has more

>>9997802
Star Fox was fun when I played it in the 90s but Panzer Dragoon 1 was better graphically and in terms of the framerate.

Donkey Kong is overshadowed by other SNES games including Earthworm Jim on the Saturn.

I still play SNES more frequently than Saturn but even moreso Genesis nowadays.

>>9997804
Saturn isn't that hard to program for. It's mostly all C and both the official and unofficial libraries aren't bad to deal with. For most homebrew devs that just want to make a 2D game it's pretty easy to work with.

>>9990237
>I tried to warn you dawg.
>The Sega Shiturn was a fucking mistake that hemorrhaged Sega beyond repair. Fuck it.

To give Bernie Stolar any credit, the Sega Saturn was already a train wreck before he got there. Any sane business man would have made the same call in discontinuing the system in 1997. Retailers were not supporting the Saturn well, third parties were not either. The system cost too much to manufacture, and they couldn't discount it like the PS1 and still make profit. By the time the N64 was released in September 1996, the Saturn in the NA market was not looking good. There's a reason why Kalinske jumped ship in 1996. I think Sonic X-Treme was the last straw for him. But I think even Kalinske knew that the Saturn was a train wreck after E3 1995 and announcing an early launch. The Dreamcast was a nice piece of hardware, for what it was worth. it had some flaws. But PS2 hype was just too big.

>>9990237
>I tried to warn you dawg.
>The Sega Shiturn was a fucking mistake that hemorrhaged Sega beyond repair. Fuck it.


To give Bernie Stolar any credit, the Sega Saturn was already a train wreck before he got there. Any sane business man would have made the same call in discontinuing the system in 1997 in the North American market. Retailers were not supporting the Saturn well, third parties were not either. The system cost too much to manufacture, and they couldn't discount it like the PS1 and still make profit. By the time the N64 was released in September 1996, the Saturn in the NA market was not looking good. There's a reason why Kalinske jumped ship in 1996. I think Sonic X-Treme was the last straw for him. But I think even Kalinske knew that the Saturn was a train wreck after E3 1995 and announcing an early launch. The Dreamcast was a nice piece of hardware, for what it was worth. it had some flaws. But PS2 hype was just too big.

>>9990068
You should stop posting that game. It really is a shit example of gaming in that era. It barely is one step above a visual novel for interactivity. Post one of the other 30-40 decent Saturn games instead.

Enough.

Loved the Saturn when I had one. Daytona was always a mixed bag with its 20fps performance. I was someone who put countless dollars into Datona USA arcade machines. I was happy to get the game with my Saturn. I still enjoyed it too, but iooked rough. Undeniably up against the PSX early games. Virtua fighter 2 was fantastic. Had the three game pack in. Virtua cop was fun without the stunner. Back in the day I could never find a Stunner. Anywhere. Unless I ordered one from a magazine for a stupid price. Also love Panzer games, liked Fighting Vipers and Mega Mix. Sega Rally is great. Liked a lot of other games for it. But being in Canada, I could not find games to buy for it anywhere. Rentals were easier. Unlike the Genesis, which was still easy to find in the mid 90s. It really tanked at retail. It was impressive with 2D sprites and could scale sprites basically like polygons. Which worked best for the hw.

>>9998630
>Daytona was always a mixed bag with its 20fps performance. I was someone who put countless dollars into Datona USA arcade machines. I was happy to get the game with my Saturn.

I want to say that Daytona USA almost seemed like a deterrent to the Saturn, than a selling point. Daytona USA was a popular arcade machine in NA market. Daytona USA was probably still one of the best selling games on the system, and was also a bundled game for a lot of people who bought the system. Even reviewers were critical of how it looked. It lacked 2 player mode. Which was one of the biggest draws of the arcade game. 2-4 player Daytona cabs were pretty popular. Rare to find a single player cab. The one time I did, the game had Daytona Turbo Edition hack:
https://youtu.be/uti1pOVeVY4?t=11
But, I guess Ridge Racer PS1 didn't have multiplayer either. But RR Revolution has the link cable support. Sega did try to release their own Daytona USA revolution with Daytona USA CCE. This version does feature 30fps gameplay in single, better draw distance. News cars, tracks and two player split screen. And even 4-player online via net link. But the game was built on the Sega Rally engine, and the game had odd handling. Which makes it a bit of a monkey's paw update. Like someone wished that Daytona could be remade on the Sega Rally engine. For me its the way that the cars don;t handle well around corners. It's hard to drift around corners.

I do think CCE does look better in ways. It has a less of a wide angle camera. Draw distance is good. game moves smoother. But you can see the player struggle with CCE controls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxa59W1d6lc

>>9997474
>The whole levelup system is also pretty fucked unless you specifically find places to abuse it, meaning you have to grind for 90% of the game so the last level isn't unplayably hard.

Holy shit how can anyone be this terrible at Guardian Heroes of all things? I have played the fuck out of that game so many times and never ever needed grind anything close to that.

>>9998325
Then why don't they?

>>9998864
They literally do?
https://segaxtreme.net/resources/categories/homebrew.10/

>>9998980
https://segaretro.org/List_of_Sega_Mega_Drive_homebrew_games

>>9998985
Weird reply
Is this a bot?

>>9998415
>ugh yuo....cant even collect stars.... and theres no ugh....no coins....
shut the fuck up nintenbitch

>>9999028
What? I’m not a bot, you’re just mad your shitty saturn “homebrew” scene got shit on

>>9999214
No fog? No vasoline? VGH……no sovl….

>verification not required

>>9998418
Excuse me, what is this

>>9998847
Moreso you can't "grind", there's a finite number of enemies per level and you don't repeat levels. IIRC, the only way to get extra XP is juggle combos on enemies

>>9999261
Die Welt von Panzer Dragoon Zwei, one of the most kino Famitsu books.

>>9990325

First smash bros was a total sensation batshit crazy gane and a huge hit that everyone loved. You are obviously underaged. So stop larping like you know games and ruining the conversation to anonymously pretend you have a wide scope of experience. Why not share your honest opinion and ask intelligent questions? Why not put the computer down and go TAKE A HIKE TOIGH GUY

>>9997460
based

>>9990237
based bernard

>>9999219
Considering you can't really sell Saturn homebrew due to the inability to make a self booting disc that kind of limits the interest from devs looking to make a quick buck off the retro scene.

That doesn't mean there's not some really impressive stuff being done on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpcjkDDLoXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5EzJoNG9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMTExZTLVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_vdnSWQbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySNm1lBdFpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCD0U7tMF6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vuNas34D8o

>>9990063
For me? It's fuck the Sega Shiturn.

>>9990068
>adventure games where you yah yah as a gay elf
BALLIN

>>9998415
Dilate tranny

>>9998415
>30 to 40 decent games on the saturn

Sounds great
Especially when there's less than 10 good games on N64

>>9990302
>>9990329
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>>9990680
>Congo

I was surprised with how much had I had playing through this one.
Searching for all of the diamonds on every stage added a lot

>>9990302
>>9990329
>>9990335
>>9990680
>Congo

I was surprised with how much fun I had playing through this one.
Searching for all of the diamonds on every stage added a lot

>>10005128
Based congo enjoyer

>>10005128
>>10005745
>>9990302
>>9990329
>>9990335
>>9990680

Here's my Congo high score
>103 Diamonds

>>9990095
I'm black and enjoy the Saturn's library

>>10001397
>based

It's pretty interesting, because SCUD started as an independent comic book series that was picked up by Image Comics. It's a pretty obscure comic these days, about a robot assassin named SCUD who was purchased from a giant vending machine. The Sega Saturn game was the only spin off piece of media to come from SCUD. I think the game is interesting and has some cool elements to it. game is not perfect.

>>9990325
I had a chipped PS1 as a kid and hundreds of games for it.

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to never play N64 or PS1 ever again. I'd pick PS1.

>>9990651
The Neo Geo version had a ton of slowdown as well. Having a shitload of large, nicely animated sprites moving around the screen in front of multiple background layers was just murder on 5th gen consoles apparently. It's still a lot of fun to play, and a pretty good port all things considered.

>>9992843
MODE is the best, Fenrir is the cheapest, Satiator is the easiest to use. Any one of the three will pay for itself almost immediately when you consider how ridiculous the prices are for used Saturn games now. You would honestly have to be profoundly retarded to be buying retail Saturn games in 2023.

>>10006313
The PS1's greatest strength is its fuckhuge software library. Ask 10 different people what the 10 best games on the Nintendo 64 are and they'll all tell you the same shit (Mario 64, Zelda, Goldeneye, Banjo-Whatever, etc). Ask 10 different people the same question about the PS1 and you'll probably get 10 completely different lists.

The Saturn's library isn't huge, but if you're into really good arcade ports, unique/experimental games, and Japanese deep cuts its got a lot of stuff to enjoy.

>>10006620
Yeah nah the PS1 library was huge but 90% of it is complete garbage.
Still has more good games than the saturn had games period. The only real saving grace the saturn had is when games got ported to it since they almost always had extra content or some interesting differences like SotN or Resident Evil.

>>10006620
>The Saturn's library isn't huge, but if you're into really good arcade ports, unique/experimental games, and Japanese deep cuts its got a lot of stuff to enjoy.
Or actual SEGA games?

>>10006910
>Or actual SEGA games?

Which generally fall under the categories of arcade ports, unique/experimental games, and Japanese deep cuts you fuckin' goober.

You literally posted the boxart for an enhanced version of an arcade port.

>>10005751
Based ConBro

>>10005751
Based CongBro

You just need the Japanese catalog or download the games ontoa disc via burning etc

Pseudo Kai Cartridge plus CDR stacks, the Fenrir and Saitator are popular methods of not wasting on money on used copies that are overpriced

>>9990063
>SotN was cool tho
Disgusting fool. Back2plebstation.

>>10006620
>MODE is the best
Honestly there's not really anything MODE offers over Fenrir at this point other than hype. If you're fine with opening the system up and installing the ODE, save some money and just get a Fenrir. If you want a plug and play solution, get a Satiator.

If u play alpha 3 and not be amazed you should roblox urself

>>10006056
It may not be a perfect game, but the soundtrack is absolutely immaculate. The prison block level’s music, is especially orgasmic. That and Drywall’s theme song.
> YOO-HOO, ZIPPA BOI!!!!

basado.

>>9999273
That's wrong. You can go to the Arena and there you can grind how much you want. There's an hidden wooden arena sign in each of the three initial game paths. Check the Strategy Guide at GameFaqs.

>>9991358
Bug!
Legend of Oasis - Story of Thor 2
Sonic 3D
Tomb Raider 1
Rayman
Clockwork knight 1 and 2

No one would care about any of these shitty games if they were on PlayStation

>>9990237
FUCKING BASED STOLAR
Dabbing on those Saturd zealots even in the afterlife

>>10006620
>The Neo Geo version had a ton of slowdown as well.
Nowhere near as much as the Saturn. The Saturn can't even display "Mission Complete" without the fps dropping to nothing..

>>9999273
>Moreso you can't "grind", there's a finite number of enemies per level and you don't repeat levels.

You get exp even for hitting corpses, so it's a question of juggling every body as long as you can. Using up your mana also gives you exp, so you can just do spells with no enemies on screen, it recharges very fast once you land hits.

>>9990063
Policenauts and Lunar were also better on Sat but not too the point that I would ever want to actually OWN one. Like . I can emulate that shit on my phone.. Just buy one of the Retrobit Saturn controllers and play on raspberry pi or something

>>9990519
Star Fox 64 kicks the living shit out of PD

>>10010619
PD1? Sure.
However, Panzer Dragoon Orta shits all over any Star Fox game.

>>10010645
It's mid

>>9991358
I Aldo would add Tomb Raider. I feel like if the PSX port didn't exist and Core made Tomb Raider a Saturn exclusive. It would be mentioned more as an impressive looking game. I had the Saturn Tomb Raider, completed it. I loved the game and was impressed by the large enviroments. There were times when the Saturn was hitting single digit fps. But I do not think Core made a bad port. All things considering, it still is one of the best looking 3D platformer adventure type games for the Saturn. And still is. The PS1 version still runs at a much more consistent 30fps, still has nicer lighting and is higher resolution too. But I an sure that the Saturn was used as the lead development system for the first TR game. The devs had to work around the Saturn quad polygons and hw limitions first, and port to the other systems. Laras model looks yhe chunkiest in the first game, because the Saturn model was used as the base for all versions. But all the of the TR games from TR2 onwards for the OG series targeted the PS1 as lead console.

>falling for segatranny cope
There's nothing of value on any sega system that isn't on a nintendo or at least sony system.

>>10008330
>It may not be a perfect game, but the soundtrack is absolutely immaculate. The prison block level’s music, is especially orgasmic. That and Drywall’s theme song.
>> YOO-HOO, ZIPPA BOI!!!!

It's an interesting game overall. That seems to jump; between a few different genres of action. It has a RoboCop vs terminator vibe sometimes. And there are those FPS sections that could also be played with a Stunner, if you had one. I did not. The devs went with a pre-rendered look, because it was still popular at the time. But, I like that they developed a 2D game, overall with some 3D scaling elements. I wish there were more games like it on the Saturn; as in 2D action/ platformer games with sprite scaling elements.

>>10011064

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BglkoQtFR4U

I think Tomb Raider on the Saturn was a really good benchmark for the system overall. The game could sometimes reach 30fps. But generally hovered around 20, with dips to the 10's in the really large and open areas. The Saturn version does have less shaky polygons, but has 256 gradient lighting, while the OS1 is like 16-32bit. I think the software rendered PC port was also 256 colour gradient lighting as well. Unless you ran the game with hardware acceleration of some kind. Like 3DFX Glide or PowerVR. It even had Trident card support. The PC version could hold a steady 30fps in software with some frame dips. But also could run up to 800x600 or 1024x768 in hardware mode. The Saturn port also has more sprites in sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZzjgJuo54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMesT4WKzI&t=458s

I think Tomb Raider on the Saturn was a really good benchmark for the system overall. The game could sometimes reach 30fps. But generally hovered around 20, with dips to the 10's in the really large and open areas. The Saturn version does have less shaky polygons, but has 256 gradient lighting, while the OS1 is like 16-32bit. I think the software rendered PC port was also 256 colour gradient lighting as well. Unless you ran the game with hardware acceleration of some kind. Like 3DFX Glide or PowerVR. It even had Trident card support. The PC version could hold a steady 30fps in software with some frame dips. But also could run up to 800x600 or 1024x768 in hardware mode. The Saturn port also has more sprites in sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ZzjgJuo54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GMesT4WKzI&t=458s

>>10011196

Burning Rangers in comparison does look good as well, but relies more on transiency effects, but runs at a decent framerate. Has quite a bit of pop-in. Buining Rangers engine has a proto-Sonic Adventure 1 thing going on with it. Or its a hybris of SA1 and Phantasy Star Online.

>>10010645
Agreed there but that's from a whole different generation and the only good star fox is 64. It's all furfag bait after that

>>10011165
Yeah, Scud was dope. That, WipeOut, and Nights: Into Dreams have to be some of the best on the system IMO.

>>9990068
But Saturn has Shining Force III, a JRPG so long it's actually 3 games.

>>10005924
Sega consoles had the best fighting games so that is believable.

>>10005924
>>10012568
Honestly it seems like blacks have a weird attraction to Japanese media, especially anime and vidya. The niggaboo meme is real. I am as white as driven snow but the last time I was in an arcade I got the absolute shit kicked out of me in three sets of Children of the Atom by a black guy who looked like he was straight out of central casting for "generic background inner city thug". I'm a Cyclops shitter and am pretty good but he kicked my ass so badly with Psylocke that I legitimately think I shamed my ancestors. I was about to leave before he got there, but if I had had some more time that day I would have stuck around and tried to learn something from him.

>>10011196
Tomb Raider on the Saturn has some bad framerate hits. They solved this on the PS1 by increasing the fogging like crazy (it's so bad that there are a lot of places in the PS1 version where you can't even see the other side of the room you are in). The framerate bump is nice (even if the PS1 version also drops in a lot of areas), but it takes away some of the grandeur in some of the big vistas when you can't even see them (namely areas like The Colloseum). The game is amazing, but its honestly probably a bit too ambitious for the 5th console generation. A lot of levels in TR2 were comprised of much smaller rooms with significantly more visblocking materials as a result.

The PS1 version is the easiest version to play these days though, since an emulated PS1 version is a lot easier to run, can be upscaled, and has much better controller support compared to running the PC version. I have a Saturn so I've never messed with Saturn emulation, but it might be worth checking out just to see how the game plays when its at a steady 30fps all the time.

>>10010614
Isn't saturn emulation on the raspberry pi extremely spotty?

It's over. Australia-kun lost.
The Saturn is a beloved system cherished by video game enthusiast, and will continue to be.
Speccy and Amiga? Not somuch.
You lost, old man.

>>10013536
Works great for me on a Note 10+. I just plug my phone into the TV and play on the big screen. It has some input lag due to my Bluetooth controller, but not enough that it's even noticeable playing an rpg

Will owning a Sega Saturn warrant me a girlfriend? Asking for a friend.

>>9990063
Saturn Bomberman is neat too

>>10014629
Yes

>>10014629
It’ll get you a man who dresses like a girl, idk if that counts in your book or not, I am confident in saying there is not a single woman on earth who plays the sega Saturn right now.

No, e celebs don’t count don’t link me them.

>>10014713
>>10014719
I'm well aware that the only way to have a Saturn gf is by idoctrinating a girl. Well, like any hobby, girls get their taste from their boyfriends.
Pic related openly admitted that it was her boyfriend who gave her the idea to do this weird "saturn gal" act, and also most of the stuff on the photos are his bf's and not her's (and anyway her whole taste is because of his bf).
That kinda sucks because it means that if you DO encounter a girl who likes retro, it's because their ex-bg idoctrinated them to do so.

>1046 games
>785 are japanese exclusive
>482 are garbage (educational/sports/RPG/tabletop)
>99 are arcade ports
>Remaining games are either wasted potential or anemic 6-level 15 minute tech demos

>>9997460
>No autofire (what the fuck)
>Pressing the fire button too fast while standing still makes Scud lower his stance for rapid shooting, which forbids you from moving unless you stop firing to get out of this stationary stance first
>No button that holds Scud in place so you can aim your guns in any directio without actually moving
>Running and Max Payne diving mechanics are also clunky
It's sadly rather poorly programmed. Could've been great.

>>10014740
Australia.... you lost.

>>10014748
>australia
I hate that faggot too but saturnfags are delusional. The Gundam trilogy are the only half decent game on it and if Stellar Assault SS doesn't turn out to be worth the wait for the translation then it's officially a shit console.

>>10014826
>The Gundam trilogy are the only half decent game on it
"do I fit in yet, guys?"-core comment.

>>10014740
>Sports/RPG/Tabletop are bad

Virgin

>>10014826
>>10014829
Is there a trans(rights)lation in the works for the gundam games?

>>10014829
Nah I actually gave it a chance. Bulk Slash was easy, Wing Arms was easy (and janky), Sega Rally is inferior to the PS2 port and Daytona's ports are pathetic. You can seethe over this if you want but history has a winner.
>>10014869
Yeah they're bad. Now get back to drinking toilet water, tard.

Faggot jannies stop hiding my posts

>>9990281
N64 is a system you can only love if you grew up with it. It's the ultimate nostalgia machine.

>>10006638
>Yeah nah the PS1 library was huge but 90% of it is complete garbage.
Given Playstation got nearly 8000 titles, I'd say having 800 good titles is a pretty fine deal.

Funny how you fuckers never complain about NES/SNES/Wii shovelware. Of course the most successful console of any given gen is gonna get more shovelware. Pointing out this as a negative doesn't make you smart but the contrary.

>>10014138
Yeah, but the Sega Saturn will NEVER EVER be our future.

Cope and dilate until you die, Saturncel.

>>10014996
>Sega Rally is inferior to the PS2 port
I'd sure hope the PS2 could handle a port of an arcade game that ran on $15,000 hardware better than a $400 home console from 1994.

That said, this is kind of dumb logic to use when talking about retro consoles because if we start including newer ports and compilations we can nullify massive amounts of any retro system's library. When discussing the SNES no one says Street Fighter II doesn't count as a good game in it's library simply because there's newer ports and compilations available on more powerful hardware. No one says you can't include Time Crisis or Tekken 1, 2, or 3 in lists of good PS1 games simply because there's better ports of the arcade available on PS2. So why is this rule applied only to Saturn?

>>10015785
>So why is this rule applied only to Saturn?
Because the Shiturn has nothing else to offer outside its watered-down, sloppy ports.

>inb4 some weeb posts some untranslated jarpig shovelware only to prove my point

>>10015617
The SNES isn't as bad as the Wii or NES but yeah successful consoles get a lot of shovelware.
Honestly that's a measure of success and shows the shiturn was so worthless it couldn't even get the scraps from the PS1

>>10016375
What does the N64 have to offer when you eliminate every game that's been ported or re-released on other systems of the time or ones that came later? If we apply this same rule to the N64 the following games can't be counted in it's library because they're available on other systems:

Mario 64 (DS, Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Mariokart 64 (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Donkey Kong 64 (Wii U)
Ocarina of Time (Gamecube, 3DS, Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Majora's Mask (Gamecube, 3DS, Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Starfox 64 (Wii, Wii U, 3DS, Switch)
F-Zero (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Diddy Kong Racing (DS)
Goldeneye (Xbox 360, Xbox One, Series S/X, Switch)
Perfect Dark (Xbox 360, Xbox One)
Banjo Kazooie (Xbox 360, Xbox One)
Banjo Tooie (Xbox 360, Xbox One)
Conker (Xbox, Xbox One)
Wave Race (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Ogre Battle 64 (Wii, Wii U)
Shadows of the Empire (PC)
Rogue Squadron (PC)
Battle for Naboo (PC)
Indiana Jones (PC)
Paper Mario (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Sin and Punishment (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Mario Tennis (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Mario Golf (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Yoshi's Story (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Kirby 64 (Wii, Wii U, Switch)
Resident Evil 2 (PS1, Dreamcast, Gamecube, PC, etc.)
Megaman 64 (PS1)
Rayman 2 (PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, PC, etc.)

If we apply this rule to PS1 most games from Squaresoft, Konami, Capcom, Enix, Namco, etc. get thrown out as well.

>>10016708
Emulated ports of N64 games are inferior to the original console in regards to both visuals and controls.

>>10016887
>Emulated ports of N64 games are inferior to the original console in regards to both visuals and controls.
IF you've still got that 40" CRT.

>>9990063
The shooters are fun but they're all extremely expensive

Probably has more for it than that

>>9997802
Most people were still playing sega, pc and 007 back then

>>10016939
All Saturn games are 100% free if you're not a fucking retard.

>>10016887
>Emulated ports of N64 games are inferior to the original console in regards to both visuals and controls.
Not really, in most cases they look cleaner due to the higher resolution and they have far more stable frame rates. Mario Kart 64 is a prime example of that. It's much more enjoyable on Virtual Console or Switch Online than it is on a real N64 because it doesn't tank to single digit frame rates when doing 4 player split screen.

>>10014568
You said it could run on a pi though, those things aren't as powerful as smartphones

>>9995176
>Neogeo meme
Uh?

>>10010171
What's with this meme?

The Sega Shiturn will never be a good system.
>b-but muh weebslop.....
LMAO

>>10022831
You will die alone auster

>>10019598
Pi 4 runs Saturn just fine. I use my phone because it's easier

>>10010171
A lot of them are on PlayStation outside of the first-party games.

>>9990063

If you're expecting "the PS1, just Sega style". You're going to be very disappointed.

>>10024439
worse versions, at that