/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9904426
After the dragon catching shit at the beginning, i loved every second of this and the FMV's blew my mind back in 2016. Unironically was a 10/10

I love Chrono Trigger but never tried this one. Am I missing out on anything?

>>9904528
>Am I missing out on anything?
No.
Pic. related pretty much sums up what happened to CT characters in CC.

>>9904528
no

>>9904528
nope. ct is a straightforward time traveling story with a clear villain and clear heroes. cc is a mess. now, is there is a logic to it? does it expand on some of the characters in ct? yes it does. but not in a way that makes it feel like chrono trigger 2. granted we are talking about games that came out on different console generations, so naturally a psx game isn't going to have the same vibe as a snes game.

if they'd called this game "radical dreamers cross" or something to indicate we're in for something different, this game wouldn't bother me.

good ost though.

>>9904426
>When does it get good?

>>9904426
Do you have it muted? It gets good when the music is playing.

>>9904426
The moment you hear the music.

>>9904528
Cross isn't a sequel in any way that matters so no not really.

>>9904695
This somewhat undoes itself in the good ending if you paid attention.

>>9904426
When you switch over to Chronno Trigger.

>>9904528
stay the fuck away from this piece of shit. It's not worth it.

>>9904426
if it doesn't grab you from the beginning it's not going to get better. the combat is terrible throughout.

>>9904426
It doesnt

the beginning of the game

>>9904695
How are people still this fucking stupid? All of that shit gets reversed. Once Schala is freed, none of that stuff happens.

>>9905112
Cross is such a good sequel it elevated its predecessor

>>9906026
Radical Dreamers: bad game, good sequel
Chrono Cross: good game, bad sequel

>>9906028
Chrono Trigger had shit characters

>>9906028
i tried to 'play' radical dreamers with the translation, i was lost with what was going on and it fucking sucked, why would anyone make a sequel based on that garbage as a flagship game

>>9904426
It stops being good once you finish Disc 1 (like every SquareSoft game after FF7).

>>9904528
Radical Dreamers (fan-translation) is unironically a better sequel than the shit that is CC.
The only good thing CC has going for it is literally everything outside of its gameplay and story. Its a overproduced vn.

>>9906028
Nah it's an excellent sequel. What it isn't is a trite rehash of the first game.

>>9906048
All of Radical Dreamers is contained in Cross, you fucking pretentious retard.

>>9906154
and yet, Radical Dreamers still feels (and looks) more like a spiritual successor to CT than CC.

>>9906048
>Radical Dreamers (fan-translation)
Is there anything particularly wrong with the new English version included with The Radical Dreamers Edition? Besides apparently not being a standalone ROM.
I know Demiforce made irritating changes and kaizo traps.

I was debating how much Crono Cross sucked because it wasn't even a good sequel and lied to us years back.

THen some autist said it's like Xenogears and it's the 2nd of like 4 games and Radial Dreamer is the 3rd. Is there any truth to this? It's actually a portion of a much bigger story?

>>9906392
Not sure what that means, but Xenogears was conceived as Chrono Trigger 2 and later was billed as the fifth episode of a six-episode saga that then morphed into Xenosaga.
If you want a real mindfuck, we actually got Chrono Break after all, though you might not like the truth.

>>9906416
XG was conceived as a few other things as well like a prospective FF with summons in place of mecha iirc, which still blows my mind: how did a mere tileset sprite artist convince the suits at Squaresoft to give him the budget and team to work on a potential sequel to at least two of their major franchises?

>>9906429
>>9906429
>how did a mere tileset sprite artist convince the suits at Squaresoft to give him the budget and team to work on a potential sequel to at least two of their major franchises?

Sakaguchi saw potential in Takahashi's concept and allotted him resources to make it happen, after Squaresoft's upper management denied it for an hypothetical FF7.

>>9904705
>>9904719
>>9905112
>>9905456
>>9906048
You'll all a bunch of bots, I swear. Only until the first reply do you Redditors all of a suddenly creep out from the shadows and respond to the post with multiple replies when that anon 9 times out of 10 the anon that posed the question isn't here anymore.

its gets good when you download the OST and listen to it

>>9906704
>phoneposter

>>9905446
>>9905705

I don't remember the details. How is this confirmed?

>>9904426
If you're not interested after the manor raid I'd drop the game honestly. There's better moments but it takes a while to get to them.

I played CC then CT so the autism around the story never really bothered me. CC was mostly enjoyable for its OST and it was easy to appreciate the hand painted backgrounds. I'd consider the OST to be Yasunori Mitsudas magnum opus t b h. I'd love for someone to prove me wrong though.

>>9906841

>>9906841
Leena straight up tells you in the last line of the game. Then you see Schala walking around a non-time crashed 1999 in the credits.

>>9906704
>everyone that disagree's with me is a redditor

back to /v with you

>>9906375
it sounds too watered down, text dialogue goes too fast and the more graphic depictions of violence is nowhere near as detailed in the fan translation. a lot of the intended nuance in a lot of the dialogue was lost with the 'remaster' imo.

>>9906429
Sakaguchi had an eye for talent, that's how it got made.

>>9906891
Looks like its time for another playthrough then. I must have memory holed it.

>>9906704
I'm not a Redditor. I don't like Reddit. That's why I'm here. As a matter of fact, I did post twice in a row. But that wasn't to inflate the numbers of people who agree with me. I just had more to say. In retrospect, I could've deleted the other post so I didn't double post, but I don't really care. Why should I? Why should you? Didn't I spell out my opinion, which by the way is probably more nuanced than yours, and you've chosen to bellyache about a Redditor conspiracy instead of responding to my post with your own take on the subject?

If CC is such a good sequel, where are the people who can argue that it is a good sequel?

>>9906416
i've always considered xg the spiritual successor to ct.

>>9906843
WHY THE FUCK DOES LUCA HAVE RED HAIR IN SOME ART AND BLUE IN OTHERS???


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>9906896
Don't kid yourself. The majority of posters that come here spill over from /v/ which has become Reddit central, among other things.

>>9907028
Anon that is purple..it's always been purple..

>>9905705
>>9904695
Kato himself said nobody died

>>9907323
t. Lynx

>>9904528
>I love Chrono Trigger but never tried this one. Am I missing out on anything?
CT plot is Saturday Kids cartoon
CC is a book

>>9906891
Nope, blonde Schala inexplicably reverse isekai'd and is walking around modern Japan, looking for (you) in the credits. Kato has said that IF he hadn't crashed and burned the franchise with Cross's failure, the third game he would have made would have been about Serge and co going back in time to save Crono and the others. This, of course, means that they did not magically get saved off-screen in Cross's ending, no matter what the apologists would like to believe.

>>9907417
>Kato has said that IF he hadn't crashed and burned the franchise with Cross's failure, the third game he would have made would have been about Serge and co going back in time to save Crono and the others. This, of course, means that they did not magically get saved off-screen in Cross's ending, no matter what the apologists would like to believe.
You missed the point and I have to take a piss so I'll keep it in brief - the final timeline has to undo most of the shenanigans involving FATE, so it's safe to say Lucca and Robo are safe and sound in this new reality. You are right that Crono and Marle are still MIA though, since Porre is unresolved.

the only truly great part of cross is when serge saves kid from the fire and it goes for a radical dreamers callback. the rest is kind of a mess.

>>9904426
It doesn't get good exactly but it does become kind of engaging around halfway through
and the soundtrack and graphics are always going to be fantastic

>>9904426
If you don't like it within the first few hours you probably won't. But you don't get the connections to Chrono Trigger till later.

>>9904528
I think it's one of the best sequels to an rpg ever, but then I also think people like this >>9904719 didn't get Chrono Trigger in the first place. So if you're on his wavelength it's probably not for you.

>>9906841
> I'd consider the OST to be Yasunori Mitsudas magnum opus t b h.
I can't give it to Chrono Cross when Xenogears and Chrono Trigger exist, but it is pretty damn amazing
I just wish the battle/boss music was better

>>9908045
>I also think people like this >>9904719(You) didn't get Chrono Trigger in the first place.
What am I not getting?

>>9908934
He's just being a pretentious faggot as you didn't even describe anything yet lumped you into a group of people that "don't get it".

>>9907970
The only truly great part of cross is ditching Kid at every opportunity and still having her simp for you.

>>9908934
He's a very typical pseudonintellectual midwit Cross apologist. It's LITERALLY the
>To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Chrono Cross
meme, except somehow unironic

>>9907963
>the truth is that I did imagine a final episode of the Chrono trilogy, later in time than Chrono Trigger, in which Kid and the others had to save Crono, Marle and Lucca
>and Lucca
>You missed the point
>it's safe to say Lucca and Robo are safe and sound in this new reality
>in which Kid and the others had to save Crono, Marle and Lucca
>and Lucca
Crossfags always, ALWAYS lie to defend that turd of a game and their favourite misunderstood genius writer, it's impossible to gloss over the many, many faults otherwise. I know you'll learn nothing from this and just repeat the same old lies in the next thread where someone attacks the favourite game of your childhood, but thankfully the truth is not hard at all to find. Kato, that massive retard and his massive ego have made sure of that.

>>9908934
That it's really not a straightforward story with as clear of a villain as you say. The chapter where you go back in time and change the course of the planet's history by giving a hard edge to the humans over the reptites is called Unnatural Selection.

That encounter is what brings lavos to the planet in the first place and Chrono Trigger is already ambiguous that the humans going on their big adventure to save one human have fucked up the timeline and the planet in doing so.

Chrono Cross is all about dealing with the other consequences of what happened in Chrono Trigger.

>>9909013
>That encounter is what brings lavos to the planet in the first place
Did you play CC before CT?

>>9909013
>That encounter is what brings lavos to the planet in the first place
You're the one who doesn't understand the story, hahaha.

Without lavos, there is no magic, there is no schala's pendant, meaning he came first because without him chrono and crew couldn't even travel back to the prehistoric period. That means Chrono and crew had jack shit with bringing lavos to earth.

The irony of telling someone else they didn't understand the story when you don't know jack.

>>9909028
I finished CC first because I hated Toriyama so much back then. I think both are excellent games though and CC makes CT a better, deeper game in the end.

>>9909032
0/10 lol

>>9904426
this is a prime example of franchise rape.

>>9904426
as soon as you get razzly star

>>9909034
That seems to explain your misunderstanding. Lavos came to the planet of its own accord. I don't agree that CC causes CT to be anything. It would be another thing if CT foreshadowed things like FATE, Chronopolis, or the Time Devourer.
>DS version
No.

>>9909059
>Lavos came to the planet of its own accord.

I think it's been too long since you played Chrono Trigger...

>>9908983
The point still stands - it is *IM-FUCKING-POSSIBLE* for Lucca's and Robo's fates to be the same in the ideal timeline. So one of three things happened: 1) Lucca found herself in an unrelated predicament anyway, likely from trying to save Crono and Marle herself, 2) Kato misspoke, 3) it's a translation error.

Lynx was a cool villain before he didn't go full "MWA-HA-HA"tier after the body swap. Such a cringe personality change. Even worse that he's just a personification of a super computer manifest. Fuckin' CC...

>>9909382
haivng to play as lynx for most of the game put me off my first play through

>>9909361
You're too hung up on a "perfect" timeline where everyone everywhere and everywhen are happy and content with a rainbow ending. That's exactly the thing Chrono Trigger was dealing with though and because you never understood the original game in the first place, of course it's sequel also confuses you.

Chrono Trigger is about hopping around in one timeline, Chrono Cross is about hopping between parallel realities created by the first game's ramifications.

>>9909216
So why did it come to the planet?

>>9909742
little known fact, lavos was just hanging out in space and the planet came to it.

>>9909034
>CC makes CT a better, deeper game in the end.
Ahahahahaha
>>9909216
https://lparchive.org/Chrono-Trigger-(by-Mega64)/Update%2028/
Here, for your convenience. I know that Cross likes to pretend that the game's message has always been that humans are the source of all evil, but here's what actually happened and the party had nothing to do with summoning Lavos

>>9909361
>2) Kato misspoke, 3) it's a translation error.
Even when faced with direct, incontrovertible proof that contradicts your headcanon, you refuse to admit the slightest possibility that you might be wrong. Everyone else can be wrong, even the guy who wrote the damn thing you admire so much, but never you. I expected no better from a crossfag like you. Talking to you is worse than talking to a wall.

>>9909382
Don't forget that he's also Serge's father, you learn that five minutes before the ending and it has no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Cross fumbles even the most basic storytelling beats.

Imagine if that had happened in Star Wars, if Yoda's ghost had said "oh, btw, Vader was your father" right before the ending of the trilogy and long after Vader was dead and no longer relevant.

I love these CC threads because despite the childish shit-flinging, people’s interpretations of the story never seem to add up to anything conclusive. I don’t remember CC very well outside of enjoying the game’s aesthetic and atmosphere, and not really having any understanding of what happened in the story.

>>9909946
>Even when faced with direct, incontrovertible proof that contradicts your headcanon,
It's called "pay attention to the fucking game" you daft cunt.
>crossfag crossfag CROSSFAG
If that makes you feel better lol

>>9909742
Azala summons Lavos as a final 'fuck you if we can't have it no one can' after realizing the weak humans had somehow turned the tables and Reptites were done for. It's pretty damn obvious if you're paying attention, the chapter is even called Unnatural Selection.

You can see it all in the link this guy gives >>9909941 too bad he also doesn't seem to be able to read lol.

>>9910660
No where does he mention he summons it, he predicts it. Wrong again.

>>9910660
>CC retard again
Oh boy.

Azala doesn't summon Lavos, that would imply she knew she was going to die to the humans when Chrono showing up was a surprise to even her.

Also if you look at Magus when he summons Lavos he had to perform a ritual that required constant concentration from him and that's with Lavos being ON the planet at the time.

No where in CC is Azala even mentioned as the cause of Lavos appearing, you would think something this significant would be mentioned, but it isn't simply because it isn't true.

You're either a troll or a retard.

>>9910103
>It's called "pay attention to the fucking game"
Ahahahahahaha
>>9910660
>Azala summons Lavos
Now that's a spicy take

>>9910660
No you COMPLETE RETARD CC-KUN, YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND ALWAYS WILL BE, DIE IN LUCCA'S FIRE

I can't believe the retardnation in this thread, Crossfags need to repent to death like I do to Magus every playthrough.

>>9910663
>>9910675
>>9910725
Way to not understand anything in the game. Holy fuck you people are dense.

>>9910741
>Crossfags
lol

>>9910741
>Dense
Retard-kun, the star is already in the scene there heading to earth, she didn't summon it nor make it hit earth.

>>9910741
Addng to this. Azala has telekinetic powers. It's called subtlety.

>>9910776
So, why is the red star there in the sky before the party ever sets foot in the reptite castle? Was Azala that certain of defeat that she summoned Lavos in advance?

>>9910787
anon, it's just bait at this point

>>9910776
Holy shit its is called gameplay and story segregation, CCfag not even once!

>>9910787
Lavos wasn't going to crash into Cronos planet until Azala summoned her. That should be obvious to anyone paying attention at all.

I always saw it as the Reptites being in no danger of losing until Lavos' fall cut the conflict short and the humans only perservering due to warmblooded luck, but come to think of it, I think you can see it that way since Azala is clearly getting more desperate as you storm the stronghold. The Japanese line certainly can be interpreted that Azala was being deliberate, and then Azala says a few cryptic last words before Lavos hits. Azala's kind of an idiot if that's true, because the Reptite ending suggests they would've been fine in the long run had Lavos not fallen.
>>9910804
>literally the only time this attack appears
>"[TV Tropes buzzwords]!"

>>9910868
There is nothing ambiguous about it at all. Azala saw the red star coming, but the only reason to believe that she summoned it herself is retardation. An astronomer who predicts stellar phenomena does not cause them to happen, and not even Ayla, the literal primitive cavewoman, made the mistake that you're making right now.

I wonder who could be behind this, gang!

>>9909954
>Don't forget that he's also Serge's father, you learn that five minutes before the ending and it has no bearing on the plot whatsoever.
Christ I forgot about that throwaway blurb of a line. Astounding how I even had the patience to play through this entire game just for the experience. Chronopolis was cool though albeit being a museum of text.

>>9910868
Dude the modern reptites in the reptite ending have crossbred human DNA from 'reaping the spoils of war' clearly, why do you think Crono and Marle are reptites?

>>9910089
CC can be summed up as: Belthazar's wild ride to get his niece back.

>>9904426
it doesn't

>>9907029
partially true.
only that most of the /v ending up the way it has lately is because of that same idea (and because any discussion of any kind is constantly compared to Reddit these days when the idea of having a conversation online and offline existed long before that site went down the drain in quality).

>>9911009
Most of the posters on /vr/ are from gamefaqs and resetera, it's why you always hear them cry for jannies and moderation.

>>9904426
It never gets good, it's a shit game and shouldn't even be related to CT.

>>9910982
Was turning her into someone completely different part of the plan?

>>9911034
I haven't played this garbage since it came out, I played through it twice to try out NG+ and to see if it had all the extras you could do like CT. I don't even remember Kid being schala, wtf. That's how shit this game was, I completely erased it from memory.

>>9911025
nowhere near as bad as /v though.
even if they come from resetera and gamefaqs, i dont care. at least they can discuss games unlike the cesspit that is /v.

>>9910913
So it just happened to land right after her speech? Come on dude use your brain.

>>9910958
>Ayla crying
Pure bullshit.

>>9911098
it's bait, stop giving CC schizo (you)'s

>>9911059
You're over generalizing, I've had plenty of good discussions on /v/, /v/ is the 2nd most popular board on the site, so of course more people = more shitposting, /vr/ is relatively slow, this place has its fair share of shitposting and it isnt recent either, its always been here despite what everyone on /vr/ wants to think

>>9911105
>fights against Reptites all her life
>earns the title of Chief
>loved and respected by her villagers
>gets bothered when her village runs into trouble
>Ayla crying in pic is out of character somehow

i hope you're just a dumb coomer, then i might forgive you.

>>9911137
>I've had plenty of good discussions on /v/

and they all get raided, threaded or forohfor'd if the quality is too good.

>>9911149
Nope, not how it works, stay in your hugbox i guess

>>9911163
it is very much how it works, especially if you try calling out bad quality AAA games from Modern Nintendo or stealth Sony threads. A lot of said threads tend to get flooded with "notporn" too if discussion gets too good to ward off viewers or to try and shut down the threads.

>>9910660
azala acquiesced to the apes because she had observed lavos on approach and knew it signaled doom for her cold-blooded kin. she was actually quite gracious in her defeat, and knew it was going to be tough for humanity in the near future

>>9904426
I like both.

>>9910663
>>9910675
>>9910725
>>9910731
>>9910804
>>9911116

>>9904695
This is why Cross is shit and killed the franchise

>>9906029
Filtered otaku

>>9911959
One of the reasons. The parts of the game that had nothing to do with Trigger were shit too.

>>9911985
dont forget the awful battle system and most characters weren't memorable or likable

>>9912009
>awful battle system
>One of the remake's most hyped features is the ability to skip battles
Even Square pretty much admitted that the battle system is awful and it always cracks me up

>>9912013
kek, i totally dismissed the remake after hearing about how awful it was, forced filtering and now this

what a shit game

>ITT once again Trigger fags have a melty over Cross and are too stupid to comprehend it

>Yet another Cross discussion where Crossfags act like massive contrarians on others because Takahashi wrote it or Bird Studio worked on it

Radical Dreamers is a Final Fantasy prototype with the Chrono Trigger name taped on top of it in the hopes that it would sell.

>>9912869
>OI MATE, AVIN EN MELTY OHVATHA IN DELA HEH?
Christ I hate the Irish.

>>9905096
>>9905107
>battle music starts playing

I'm waiting to play CC until someone finally makes a mod to replace it with something less ear-grating

>>9913102
RD bears ZERO resemblance to anything square has ever done. it feels more like an old sierra adventure game or text adventure

>>9910762
>>9910765
So you're really saying you think Lavos showing up there is just a totally random, not connected event? Are you kidding me? This is as clear as day storytelling
Azala summons Lavos specifically because she knows the apes pulled some shady shit all the sudden showing up with high technology. So she brings Lavos to kill everyone and everything. She fucking says it.

No wonder you Chrono Cross haters hate it so much. CC deals with the messy consequences of what the heroes did in Chrono Trigger, but you all never even got Chrono Trigger and you're legit pissed off that the sequel wasn't a happy shiny time romp fun time wuth a clear easy story when Chrono Trigger was never that in the first place.

I thank you though, your idiocy has brought tears of joy to my eyes. And your hatred of one great game because you don't understand some of the most basic premises of another great game is truly delightful.

>>9913137
m8 what have the irish got to do with cc

>>9904426
Play Legend of Legaia.

>9914468
^ Bait

Making Lavos a higher dimensional being who gets summoned to Earth makes him far less interesting than an ancient alien animal.

>>9914705
Explain how. Do you really, truly think Lavos crashing to the planet right after that scene is coincidence? If so, what was Azala talking about in that scene? "Sucks to be you, you may have won now but it doesn't matter because this giant thing called Lavos is coming to the planet either way, so I am just going to pretend like I summoned it for dramatic effect."

So ignore when the direct sequel, Chrono Cross brings this up,because it was never an issue and the heroes from that game had no part whatsoever in what happened.

>9914775
more bait

>>9904426
Every JRPG fan says the same thing. You have to waste about thirty hours doing boring, repetitive crap, and then the actual game begins. Apparently there's no word for pacing in Japanese.

>>9914801
The early part of the game is a fun adventure

>>9914801
that applies to all jrpgs except chrono cross, it's never good even after 30 hours

>>9904426
I hate Cross solely on the premise that it expects me to believe fucking Dalton was capable of raising a great army capable of conquering Guardia and killing all the CT protagonists

Next you'll tell me that my high school math teacher will become President of the US in two decades

>>9915798

>>9915264
I promised someone like ten years ago I'd play Jade Cocoon and Chrono Trigger. If I ever finish CT I'll give it a shot. Not like I've got anything better to do.

>>9915301
lol, that bad, huh?

>>9915798
>Next you'll tell me that my high school math teacher will become President of the US in two decades
In my life time you've had a deep state shill, the "long legged mac daddy" version of Gus Fring, an obese billionaire with the fashion sense of a British chav, and a demented pedophile.

I think Dalton and your math teacher have a shot.

>>9915843
>lol, that bad, huh?
No. It's worse. They'll tell you that Chrono Cross is a good game but a bad sequel. That's a lie. It's a godawful game and possibly the worst sequel of all time.

>>9915843
You'll probably enjoy CT if you like SNES jrpgs.
>lol, that bad, huh?
Yes, it's slow paced, battle system sucks and most of the characters are boring and forgetable. The story is so convoluted and nonsensical it's hard to even be interested in it even when you try to be.

Only thing the game ever had going for it was it probably had the best graphics on PS1 but even that's subjective.

>>9915968
The music was top tier. That's about it

>>9915798
It doesn't, though. That is squarely the fault of Trigger's rereleases. The cause of Porre's power isn't explained in Cross proper, hell there aren't even any indications that Gaurdia fell in an uprising, the only mention being a vague "it ain't what it used to be." Crosshater once again hating on a thing that isn't in the game.

>>9916108
>It's another episode of "Crossfag blatantly lies to defend the turd he's so emotionally invested in"
Trying to pretend that Guardia didn't fall in Cross is a weird hill to die on, ngl. Picrel as just one brief mention. Or I guess you'd say that Crono and Marle killed themselves and Lucca was working with the Porrian military before Lynx burned her orphanage down for the shits and giggles?

>>9914801
In terms of Jrpgs, Chrono Cross actually gets into it very quickly. There's no grinding in the game at all, many battles are optional if you want and you're never stuck just hitting attack over and over intil characters start to get skills. If you don't like the genre at all it's not likely to change your mind, but those complaints don't fit CC in the way they fit many others.

>>9915968
>The story is so convoluted and nonsensical it's hard to even be interested in it even when you try to be.

I don't think it will ever stop being funny that there are people confused by Chrono Trigger's story.

>9916231
Bait

>>9916234
Which part? That there's little grinding and the game picks up quickly, or that people bashing Chrono Trigger for being too hard to understand is just them announcing how illiterate and retarded they are.

>>9916246
Who said CT was hard to understand? Anon said CC nonsensical, not CT.

there i set off your trap now, you can say how CC's story is connected to CT and making your statement correct

>>9916257
Try re-reading the post, genius. >>9915968 he's talking about Chrono Trigger.

>>9916229
Not him, but basing your dismissal of Chrono Cross because you don't think Dalton's character was handled right when it's a game all about different dimensions where things and people are different is a weird hill to die on as well.

>>9916262
Oh, so you're actually the retard. No anon, you read the post again.
I'll clear it up for you. He's replying to anon saying he will play CT other anon said "Is it really that bad?" referring to CC, and anon begins explaining that yes CC is bad and why.

>>9916262
he even says best graphics on ps1....are you daft?

>thread #467784654673664745 full of seething Trigglytoddlers unable to grasp multiple dimensions
They don't even understand the concept of "Home" and "Another", why they're named so, or which is the "original" LMAO

>>9916268
>a game all about different dimensions where things and people are different
No it's not. It pays lip service to that, but there are what, five people who are actually different in between dimensions? Fewer? Not to mention how utterly lazy of a cop out it is to dismiss all criticism of the game with the excuse of infinite dimensions making all things possible, especially since the game itself shows us only a couple different dimensions, plus the referenced dimension of the reptites.

>>9916273
>>9916279

Ohh yeah look at that, either way this thread is full of peoplenot understanding Chrono Trigger and not understanding Chrono Cross is just as funny.

>>9916286
Lol

>>9916287
>I was merely pretending to be retarded

>>9904426
When you play it in the year 2002 in your teens

>>9916314
Granted I only half read it, but it's still funny that anyone finds either of these games confusing. This is the thread where people admitted openly they thought Lavos coming to the planet was random happenstance. Also since the fantastic and fast paced battle system is one of the best things about it. Either way these threads are always delightful.

>>9916229
>"You see, we no longer exist in this time line."
This shit is so basic but of course the key phrase "in this time line" flew over your head. If you need it explained in baby-terms since the plot is clearly too gigabrain for you: the reality where FATE had more influence is the one where the Trigger trio was eliminated. That's what that means. There's no reason for them to be killed in the timeline where FATE's intervention was more minimal. If there's anything to be 'cross' about (heh), it's that there's no good look at the post-goodend timeline due to there not being another game.
Also, in Radical Dreamers (which is canon to some third/other timeline and has Lynx so presumably FATE existed there as well), there is mention of Lucca's dead friend. It's believed this is Crono and that the game takes place in a scenario where the Time Egg failed; if it was in a scenario where the Kingdom of Guardia fell in a violent uprising, it'd undoubtedly bring up her dead friendS.
PLUS, even if you disregard Radius's nostalgic ramblings, one of the Cross endings outright states that Guardia is still around in some form.
>>9916268
If >>9908983 is any indication, the meager stuff added to Chrono Trigger DS and Radical Dreamers Edition like Daltonreveal and Maguslore was intended for Chrono Break, but Kato knew to throw those things in rereleases since Squeenix suits won't let the next game happen.

>>9916369
>stuff added to Chrono Trigger DS and Radical Dreamers Edition like Daltonreveal and Maguslore was intended for Chrono Break, but Kato knew to throw those things in rereleases since Squeenix suits won't let the next game happen.

Which is a shame, because it is something but just too bad we'll never get another game. Guile being a version of Magus/Janus was always so painfully obvious from the get go though that it's baffling to see people confused by it. The trope of a character showing up in a flimsy mask or different glasses and pretending to totally not be who they obviously are was already a mass cliche. That they didn't go full Quattro Bajeena with it I found a nice almost subtleness.

>>9914468
>tumblr_500
go back you crossfaggot

>>9904991
when you turn it off?

>>9905671
leena is and always will be best girl, but she's also tied with orla who is also best girl

>>9916809
Sorry Socrates, I have always have been and shall always be here.

>>9904426
The intro cinematic. If you like 'comfiness' you'll like Arni immediately, if not then I'd say Viper Manor.

>>9916362
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Azala summoned Lavos despite literally everything in the game saying that it isn't true
>>9916369
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Guardia didn't fall and that Crono, Marle and Lucca are still alive somehow, despite it being implied, mentioned and even outright stated
>>9916541
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Guile is Magus, despite it A) Not actually being a thing in the finished game and B) would make the story even worse if it was true, since Guile never interacts or acknowledges his sister or his sister aussie pirate daughterclone in any way or form
Honestly, this isn't even funny anymore. It's just sad.

>>9916972
That's what we call "apolagism" and it's a serious mental gymnastics issue.

>>9916972
>Trigglypuff calls others retarded
>doesn't understand multiple dimensions
Go on embarrass yourself more ROFL

>>9917109
>

>>9905671
I can't believe this got censored in the new version. The Japanese text was also censored reportedly, but they basically just changed the word "ladylike" to "nicer"- the part about suggesting Serge to grow a spine or whatever is still there, unlike the English text.
>>9916828
In all seriousness, I missed Leena my first playthrough, and knowing after the fact that she's generally considered the best long-term recruit on top of that made me feel completely cheated. I was wondering the whole game (blind) when she'd join since she reminded me so much of my girlfriend it's uncanny, not knowing I missed my shot early on. I unironically think I would've enjoyed Chrono Cross a lot more if she was playable at my side in my experience. She should be required recruit for any serious playthrough, just like Shadow in FFVI or Magus in Chrono Trigger (despite that weird smelly contrarianon running around lately trying poorly to convince us otherwise).

>>9904528
Yes, one of the all-time great RPG tracks and the Miguel battle.

This might sound crazy but this game had too much dialog to read. I don’t like voice acting and love reading the old jrpgs, but fuck every character you talk to in cross says 5 dialog boxes without giving you any real info

>>9917382
localizers aren't human

Cross fumbles its own concept by having two dimensions that are 99% the same. The most satisfying thing in the entire game is when you get that depressed girl to write poetry to herself.

>>9904426
what are some tips for a first playthrough? might give this game a whirl at some point

>>9918221
Let Kidd die.

>>9918221
Change games

>>9917382
>I unironically think I would've enjoyed Chrono Cross a lot more if she was playable at my side in my experience.
It was a bold choice to hide appealing party members behind "No" choices in dialogue that the player would not expect to be real choices. I guess plenty of players do pick those choices in every game just to see what happens, but a much larger percentage rush through that kind of dialogue to move on with the story.

>>9918221
Just say no.
Not that Kid is a bad party member -not at all- but Leena is far better as a character you get to keep for most of the game and Kid revolves around your party often enough, not sure why they tethered her to Poshul though but you can easily ignore that.

>>9918221
Anons aren't kidding, you really should say no to Kid. You get some of the best companions in the game if you do, you still get her just a bit later on, and even leaving her to die when you're the only one who can conceivably save her doesn't affect the romance at all. She still falls for the jerk who spits on her at every opportunity.
>>9908957

>>9918461
can't you go through most or all of the game without ever recruiting her? I remember reading that and finding it interesting

>>9918509
You're kind of missing the point. The game is trying to convey a message about fate, how Kid was created to save Serge so their paths will cross no matter what even if he doesn't know anything about that and doesn't care.

>>9918521
>The game is trying to convey a message about fate
lol
lmao, even
>Kid was created to save Serge
>Sees a random shota drowning
>Falls in love with a literal child and hatches an entire plan to cuck his childhood friend gf
>Her daughterclone is compelled to fall in love with him even if he's a complete and total jerk
What did Schala mean by that?

>>9908957
>>9918509
I'm still mad I have to choose between Glenn (best recruit in combat) and Razzly (better as a character and dies a horrible untimely death if you skip her).

>>9918613
Skipping her also saves the forest so there are no good decision. Kind of the point of the game, that life is a struggle.

>>9904528
I think it has a lot of potential but executes it really poorly
>Huge roster of playable characters, but 98% percent of them suck and barely have any dialogue.
>also, 3 party members in battles with Serge being mandatory kind of ruins any combat experimentation.
>exp removal makes any combat outside bosses pointless
>combat itself is slow as fuck and boring as hell. The element system is neat in theory and could make for strategic boss fights but the game is too easy to actually properly utilize it's potential.
>plot has way too many ideas crammed into it, barely developing any of them. Free will vs determinism, the consequences of playing around with time to subvert fate and the ramifications of CT's plot, mankind's real role in the world as Lavo's chosen race, the effects of civilization on nature, are some of the themes touched upon but never properly explored. And of course it just ends up devolving into a clusterfuck of exposition in disc 2
>ost is fantastic. Too bad you just hear the ear raping battle theme for most of the game.

>>9916972
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Azala summoned Lavos despite literally everything in the game saying that it isn't true

Bwha ha ha. Tell me again how you think Lavos showing up is just a big happy coincidence for Azala. You are so stupid it's beyond funny.

>>9918628
>exp removal makes any combat outside bosses pointless
It does give you boosts from random encounters, they just cap out so there's no need or point in grinding. Also if you're good and prepared it means you can just run past many encounters if you don't feel like fighting them

>combat itself is slow as fuck and boring as hell. The element system is neat in theory and could make for strategic boss fights but the game is too easy to actually properly utilize it's potential.

This I just don't get, but has been mentioned a few times. Compared to other rpgs of the time, especially ones from Square, Chrono Cross battles go by very fast. I think people get caught up in the boring rpg strategy of just have everyone attack 95% of the time, heal now and then but save skills and magic for bosses. Because CC doesn't have MP and instead you build up power by attacking so most fights end after just a few quick attacks and a spell. It's boss fights where you need to be more careful which is how it should be.

>>9918461
Kid is high-mid at best. Her spot is inflated on tier lists due to ease of access and her steal ability. If you want a thief, Fargo is a much better character despite joining later (around the time Kid can join permanently I think). Hell, Harle is a better (non-thief) Kid than Kid is, and the game sure knows about it. Kid is who you keep around if you don't like experimenting to see who's more deserving in your party. For that matter, while Leena is a must for the first half of the game, I usually don't keep her around when the final party starts to form (after the Lynx arc).
>>9918519
That's right. Despite her presence in the story and the game obviously trying pretty hard to make her your main sweetie, she is a totally optional character. If you're trying to get all the characters through NG+ though (which requires at least playing all the way up to Harle and then rebooting NG+ because the devs are silly), there is a point in Guldove where deciding to help her grants access to a whole other set of characters, but it also creates a detour off the main quest and you can't get the best character that way. Kid just isn't endgame material unless you really, really need a Red innate.

>>9918881
>happy coincidence
>when Lavos's arrival is what wipes out her people
This is bait right? No one can possibly be so retarded.

>>9919090
Do you have autism? That's a real question. This >>9910741 >>9910660 is all very clear storytelling. I've been making fun of you but seriously, if you don't understand the context of this scene you have some real cognition issues. And again it's no wonder you hate Chrono Cross so much, it's central theme surrounds a major aspect of Chrono Trigger that somehow flew over your head. Jokes aside, get some help if you're not trolling

>>9918461
>The Radical Dreamers Edition main artwork implies that Home!Poshul joined but Another!Leena didn't
is this what it's like to live in hell

>>9919070
>For that matter, while Leena is a must for the first half of the game, I usually don't keep her around when the final party starts to form (after the Lynx arc).
Well by the latter half of the game she's outright replaced by Marcy, who's pretty much the superior version of Leena (hits harder + petite evasion).

>>9919179
Leena still edges her out due to being part of one of two triple techs in the game.
>you have to get Razzly instead of Glenn for it
You can get comparable double techs with Karsh or Zoah; Marcy is the only Diva without a combo skill.

Here's a helpful little cheat sheet to know for sure which characters are worth half a damn: if they don't have a combination attack, you can safely throw 'em on the bench.
>but muh waifu!!!
Tough shit.

>>9920320
Are combos even worthwhile? The vast majority in CT are shit.

>>9920371
I finished my first playthrough never using one and game was still piss easy

>>9920471
The point isn't that the combos are good, it's that those characters had enough effort to at least go that far with them. They essentially gave up on the rest.

drag all Crosscels on the street.

>>9920551
Well I'd rather use cute girls on my team than utilize some shitty half-baked mechanic that isn't even numerically optimal.

>>9920320
>Mel/Sneff/Turnip/NeoFio/Radius better than Harle/Orlha/Marcy/Riddel/Irenes

>>9920979
I feel doubletake is never really necessary unless you're stealing from a boss, and even then the chance of Kid snatching something is pretty high already.

>>9920894
>All triggerfags can do is chimp out at rational explanations for things

>>9921484

>>9920979
based waifufag

>>9920894
>>9921484
Why is there this fake fight you try to draw up between "crossfags" and "triggerfags" as if liking one should negate the other or something? Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross are like chocolate and peanut butter, two great tastes that taste great together.

>>9920320
It's a shame there aren't more combos, it feels like one of the areas where they ran out of time. Even still though they're mostly unremarkable and the game isn't so hard you needto worry about min maxing. I for some reason always end up having Norris in my party, but never used Grobyc once.

>>9920979
>>9922003
Macha is best girl and you know it.

>>9920320
I don't think fucking sneff or neofio is worth a damn combo attack or not

>>9919114
That just implies it's who's on the boat at the time, not that Leena isn't still there. I love going to meet Kid in Termina after you reject her but without having Leena with you and she gets all pissy you're walking a dog instead of helping her.

>>9904426
After you recruit the dog

>>9924317
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Guile is Magus, despite it A) Not actually being a thing in the finished game and B) would make the story even worse if it was true, since Guile never interacts or acknowledges his sister or his sister aussie pirate daughterclone in any way or form
>Hi guys my name is uhhh... Guile!
>I'm just your average random super wizard who's come to help for no reason
>Please ignore my pale skin and blue hair and the fact that I decide to float around instead of walk. I am totally not Janus at all! Can't you see my mask? Janus doesn't wear a mask, silly!

He's right you're autistic

>>9916972
>Retarded Crossfag insists that Guile is Magus, despite it A) Not actually being a thing in the finished game and B) would make the story even worse if it was true, since Guile never interacts or acknowledges his sister or his sister aussie pirate daughterclone in any way or form
>Hi guys my name is uhhh... Guile!
>I'm just your average random super wizard who's come to help for no reason
>Please ignore my pale skin and blue hair and the fact that I decide to float around instead of walk. I am totally not Janus at all! Can't you see my mask? Janus doesn't wear a mask, silly!

He's right you're autistic.

>>9924487
NTA but Guile isn't all that similar to Magus. In Chrono Trigger DS, it's implied that a possible-future incarnation of Magus WHO COMMITTED MENTAL SUICIDE became Guile, as in he's a shell of Magus rather than Magus "in disguise" - "in disguise" suggests he's aware of his previous identity after all. There's a hint of this in Chrono Cross if he's in your party when you approach the Frozen Flame, in which he's shocked at feeling such darkness in him. That REALLY doesn't sound like Magus as we knew him, does it? For that matter, Gil/Magil isn't too much like Magus either. I'd wager he's more like yet another version of Janus who never grew up to become the lord of fiends Magus (remember the Janus that supposedly disappeared in the black gate?).

>>9924545
I don't think Guile is the same incarnation ie. Magus who shows up in Chrono Trigger. Magus is only who he becomes in the timeline where he gets captured by Ozzie. Guile is a grown version of Janus without the demonic features Magus developed like the red eyes and pointed ears.

>>9924487
>Hi guys my name is uhhh... Guile!
>Yes, that's what I introduce myself as, that's how everyone refers to me as and there's never any indication otherwise.
>I'm just your average random super wizard who's come to help for no reason
>Well, if by "for no reason" you mean, "made a bet with the old fortune teller and now I need your help to steal a random trinket from Viper Manor" then yeah, no reason at all.
>Yeah, I'm totally Magus. I've been the fearsome leader of the Mystics, the mysterious Prophet, a member of the party that killed Lavos. I've always been very goal-oriented and not sociable at all.
>Yeah, I'm just sitting here, relaxing in this pub and drinking. Got a problem with that?
>My goal in life is to rescue my sister from Lavos and I'm willing to pay any price, sacrifice anything to achieve it.
>How does stealing that trinket help with that goal? Shut up, that's how.
>How does me sitting here and drinking all day help with that goal? Shut up, that's how?
>Wait, did you say that this blonde aussie pirate is actually a fragment of my sister's soul/her reincarnation/daughter/clone/something something? That's amazing! I've waited so long to see her again! So I'm going to... never speak to her, never acknowledge her existence, never react to hearing the name "Schala"
>In fact, other than stealing said trinket, I'll never express another opinion, goal or aspiration for the entire rest of the game.
>I guess I just kinda forgot all about Schala and that goal. I did erase my own memories in the DS ending that supposedly confirms that I'm Magus.
>I thought I had forgotten something important back then, but I guess it wasn't that important after all. That's why I gave up on pursuing it and decided to live a life pursuing nothing but hedonism
>Oh, my appearance? Yeah, my ears randomly became round again, my teeth stopped being pointy and I got tan. I'm obviously the only blue-haired human in this time. Ignore Serge also being blue haired, he doesn't count.

I think Guile was originally planned to be Magus and simultaneously tie in with Gil in Radical Dreamers but the devs changed their mind or some shit that or didnt bother to give him any story

no idea if he's still supposed to be magus, but there was intention for it at the very least

>>9924646
That's exactly right. Guile was Magus very early on in development, but they decided to change that because he'd take too much of the spotlight compared to the other 50 forgettable companions. Guile is not meant to be Magus in the finished game, just a character with very few leftover superficial similarities.

>>9924646
I don't know if this debug text still exists in the final game, but in the Japanese demo at least, Arf/Guile was labeled as Gil/Magil, suggesting that was the route intended for the character. I think Kato ultimately Magus's story couldn't be given justice in Cross, which is why the character was renamed and ties severed.

>>9924674
They're not forgettable. They're all great in their own way. If you stopped obsessing over the CT characters, you'd realize that.

>>9904426
If you don't enjoy it in the first few hours there is nothing that comes later that will make you change your mind, for the better anyways. It's not a game that gets better as you play, it hits its peak fairly early.

>>9924928
I never played CT before cross and I can't even name 3 of the recruitable characters but I can probably name most of CT's cast. Cross's characters were pretty generic and I never cared for them or why they joined.

>>9924928
>They're not forgettable. They're all great in their own way
Ah yes, skeleton clown, turnip swordman and faggot ginger with a speedo. Who couldn't forget these amazing characters?

>>9924989
It has the same problem the Suikoden series does, it's quantity over quality. Too many characters meant they couldn't put time into any of them so there ends up being so fucking many you dont remember who is who nor care.

>>9924995
Everyone says this but it's a meme. I played the game and so many of them had interesting interactions and had fun memorable abilities and designs. They do tend to lose their personality when they join your party but I still don't forget the way they were introduced into the game.
ZOAH is still my man

>>9925110
Everyone says it because it's true. Adding 'meme' to anything you don't agree with doesn't change it.

>>9924995
It's funny because I don't like Suikoden, but I do like this approach and think it works better in Chrono Cross because it's intended for multiple playthroughs. I look at it more like MegaTen, Pokemon or some later Dragon Quests. There are tons of options, and you can go for powerful characters, characters that are strongly plot related, or wacky characters just because it's fun.

I'll never understand why they made this game the way that they did. It's just a completely different game to Chrono Trigger in pretty much every way. It doesn't feel like it at all. The music is fantastic of course and I can understand why replaced time travel with inter dimensional travel but why change everything else so drastically? Even FF7 wasn't ultimately so different to FF6, and Final Fantasy is the series known for changing it up every time they make a sequel.

Would it have really been so hard to have a smaller, more intimate cast of iconic characters like Chrono Trigger? There's like 50 characters in this game and hardly any of them have any depth or contribution to the story.

And imagine if they took Trigger's combat system and fleshed it out instead of replacing it with a completely different and vastly inferior system? Imagine Chrono Trigger combat but more polished and with some sort of FF-esque character customization options similar to VI, VII or IX's. I mean it seems like such a simple decision to make but they fucked it up so badly.

>>9925426
it was originally gonna be a final fantasy game but they pivoted

>>9925430
Can't find anything on this. Proof?

>>9925724
tb h, this is just what i've heard whenever its brought up, i really shouldnt be regurgitating it because im not 100% certain either, it may be correct though, maybe some other anon knows

>>9920551
Theory doesn't hold water. There's characters like Fargo who are many times more important to the story who don't have double techs, and most of the ones who do are inconsequential.

>>9924646
That was one of the things I disliked most about it. Why cut the legs off a major part of Radical Dreamers, and also a direct link to CT, cause it would just be way too damn cool? Kid is basically the protagonist too and I'm sure lots of players benched her.
So you're left with this guy who everyone knows is supposed to be Magus but instead has less of a story than Skelly.

>>9925802
they should have just cut a lot of the useless and stupid chars and focused on good ones

>>9924948
That means nothing, I remember all of their names.
>>9924989
Skelly stands out because his sidequest is more involved.
>>9925124
A lot of the characters are more like easter eggs, so are the double techs, but there are more than 7 (the number of party members in Trigger) who are well developed and memorable. Everybody else is extra. You're a glass half empty kinda guy.

>>9925815
>That means nothing, I remember all of their names.
It means some people dont like cross and its characters and it has nothing to do with CT you illiterate retard.

>>9925807
That's besides the point. They could have left everything the same but not cut Magil/Magus and the game would've been dramatically better because it would be a direct sequel to Trigger.

>>9925426
Because Chrono Cross wasn't made by the same people as Chrono Trigger. Yuji Horii, Hironobu Sakaguchi and Akira Toriyama, the Dream Team who made Chrono Trigger what it was, all declined to return for a sequel. The man that Square put in charge, Masato Kato, was one of the writers of Trigger, an important one no doubt, but not the main writer. That was Yuji Horii, and unfortunately for all of us, Kato had some very, very different ideas on what makes a good story.

Kato ended up despising his time working in Trigger, with the implied reason being that Horii vetoed some of his story ideas, like having Crono return as a dead man walking who'd step back to his death after Lavos's defeat for a bittersweet ending. He didn't take it very well when Trigger was published and was universally beloved despite it not having his genius ideas. He never liked that it was an ultimately light-hearted adventure, even if it had its deep moments. After that was done, he began working on Radical Dreamers, a completely unrelated game about some random thieves burgling a mansion. Close to the ending of that game he hit writer's block and decided that these random burglars were actually Schala and Magus. This is why Kid looks and acts nothing like Schala, she wasn't supposed to be Schala when she was conceived, that identity was shoved into her long, long after she was created as an independent character.

And that brings us to Cross. Kato was put in charge because none of the main guys wanted it. And he decided to make his dream game, just as he wanted it, with no one to tell him "no, this is retarded". So you got the gigantic cast of forgettable characters, the pseudo-deep story full of melodrama and "tough" choices and broken aesops about environmentalism, how defying your fate is wrong and humans are the real evil and all that convoluted crap with all the random twists and turns in the story.

tl;dr: Kato was salty and decided to show them, show them all with his masterpiece.

>>9925867
They already ran out of time and it's obvious the closer you get to the ending. If they hadn't cut Magus, they would have had to cut something else. And the game is a direct sequel, just a really crappy one.

>>9906704
nigga wut
speak English

>>9925426
>I'll never understand why they made this game the way that they did. It's just a completely different game to Chrono Trigger in pretty much every ,way.

It's funny because I had almost the polar opposite reaction. I tried Chrono Trigger when it was new but hated Dragonball so much at the time I never gave it a fair shake. I did play and really enjoy Chrono Cross when it came out though.

Finally a few months ago after having gone through some dragon quests I decided to give Chrono Trigger another try. After l the years of comments like yours I was expecting it not to feel connected much if at all. But I was shocked, I think they feel extremely similar and they both compliment each other. The larger castI think is a good thing, and I am glad they experimented more with the battle system. Chrono Trigger's is decent, but very standard I think Cross's is better. The flow of battles, how they are fast but also often easily avoided if you don't feel like it is totally the same though which I love. I think it's one of the best direct sequels to an RPG there's ever been.

>>9927520
>hated Dragonball so much at the time
Testosterone issue.

>>9926019
They didn't completely cut him though, it's Guile. They just cut the direct confirmation via his backstory then confirmed it later in the DS game. I'm sure this will make that one anon that calls everyone"crossfag" seethe, but everyone knew back when the game first came out. It wasn't even a secret or anything.

>>9927985
>Masato Kato: To let the cat out of the bag, in the early stages of development, Guile was indeed meant to be Magus. In our original plan, the true identity of Guile was supposed to be Magus after the evens in Trigger. (At the end of Trigger, Magus [a.k.a. Janus in Trigger and Magil in Radical Dreamers] disappeared into a Time Gate to go searching for his big sister, Schala, who was lost somewhere in time.) However, as the game's development progressed and we decided to use such a huge number of playable characters, we decided not to make him be Magus.
>we decided not to make him be Magus.
>We thought it was impossible to portray the relationship between Magus and Schala adequately in this game. So we changed tracks, made the colors of the Magus character design paler, and turned him into Guile, the magician.
>and turned him into Guile, the magician.
>In a way, it's a pity, as I really would like to have seen the valiant figure of Magus come to life again
Yeah, everyone knew it. Everyone other than the creator.
lol
lmao

>>9927965
I just thought then, as I still think, that Toriyama is a one style type of artist and I just plain don't like his style. The classic DQ slime might be his one redeeming work. I grew to just look past it though and enjoyed Chrono Trigger quite a lot despite it's protagonist looking like Goku was put in a blender with Carrot Top.

>>9927985
This too, I remember it being a common joke.

>>9907028
Hell of a way to find out that you're colorblind

>>9928095
Massive cope. He literally turns into Guile at the end of CT.

>>9929015
Massive cope. There is literally nothing, nothing in either game saying that Guile is Magus.

I don't even get why Crossfags always insist so much on this. Does the game become less bad if the random magician who joins up to steal some shit, never says anything important and then is never relevant for anything ever again is actually Magus?

>>9904528
It has its moments, but it's ultimately a bloated, unfinished mess of a game with enough convoluted lore bullshit to put Hideo Kojima to shame.

>>9904426
It's not good. The music is fantastic and the visuals are quite nice for a PS1 game. But the gameplay, characters, and especially the story are GARBAGE. Just listen to the OST and forget the rest exists.

>>9929075
They know Magus is a fan favorite, so it's the only way they can trick people into playing their shitpile.

>>9929120
based

>>9929075
>>9929120
>>9929121
>crossfags
And there he is lmao. Sorry samefag-frog-kun, but it's absolutely canon. Why you have this odd obsession I'll never know nor do I care but kindly save your headcanon for r/fanfiction as we are trying to discuss one of the greatest RPGs of all time over here.

>>9929145
A) I don't see him turning into a Vegas Magician there.
B) What's that even from? I've played every inch of Chrono Trigger. Don't tell me that's the DS version and some stupid shit they shoved in AFTER Chrono Cross.

>>9929145
And apparently that something he needed to do was to make a bet with a random fortune teller and that something he needed to find was a random trinket in Viper Manor, because, seriously, he does nothing else in the entire game.

My dear beloved crossfag, please answer me, I'm deadly curious. Why do you insist so much that this guy is Magus? Why can't you see how godawful it is as a conclusion to his character's arc?

>>9929145
bonus (You can't even understand that everyone is laughing at you. You may be my favourite Crossfag, I can't believe that simply calling a spade a spade triggers you so much)

>>9929153
>What's that even from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AalT1dVmgiw
You guessed it. It was added in the DS version, years after Cross came out.

>>9929180
>It was added in the DS version, years after Cross came out.
Then fuck it. Chrono Cross wasn't even supposed to be a sequel to Chrono Trigger until some corporate cunt at Square insisted on it. They had to hastily shove in shit to tie the two together, and it shows - tying it to Chrono Trigger makes BOTH games worse.

So fuck you hard, >>9929145. Go take a good sharp knife, kneel in the grass, and cut your throat. Let the bile pour back into the earth where it might do some good again.

>>9929145
Yeah sorry senpai but saying that he's Guile because of this is flimsy af.

The mystery shadow during Lucca's letter, which is there even if Guile is in your party, is stronger evidence that Magus is around but busy with other things.

>>9929186
Absolutely based.

Here's the other big thing that the DS version adds: Another fight with Dalton, now inexplicably competent, and after you defeat him he says picrel, confirming that he is indeed responsible for killing Chrono and Marle and burning Guardia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWPwNPVhvDs

I find it completely hilarious that Crossfags will insist that the above scene with Magus confirms that he is Guile, so they can have a bit of stolen glory, but also ignore this scene with Dalton so they can pretend that Chrono and Marle are still alive, on an offscreen vacation somewhere. Crossfags always have to mix and match and choose carefully what they want to remember, what they want to forget and what they want to twist in their efforts to polish their turd.

>>9929153
>>9929170
>>9929180
>>9929186
>>9929191
>>9929223
>Nooooo I'm not samefagging!
>Crossfag crossfag crossfag
>Replying to yourself over and over again 5 minutes apart each time
Kek. At least try to make it believable. Magus is Guile and it's 100% canon. There is nothing you can do about this no matter how hard you seethe on the internet.

>>9929075
I think you need to understand the context and his look. If they changed him so he didn't have that mask, the flying and the hair it wouldn't matter. But especially in that era, putting in a "mysterious" character who looks and acts in most ways like a well established other character but who happens to be wearing a mask is basically a huge wink to the audience.

Kato was being pretty coy in that interview, but either way everyone at Square could have sworn on a golden bible that Guile and Janus were totally not connected in any way and even then everyone would still just roll their eyes and wait for the inevitable reveal.

>>9929298
Oh, look, you actually did give me more than one (you) this time. Of course, it was obvious to anyone with more than two braincells that these posts were mine, but we can't expect too much from a demented seething crossfag like yourself, can we?

Now, can you please answer my question? Why do you insist so much that Guile is Magus? Why are you so positively gleeful about this? Why do you love it so much, why does it make the game you have invested so much in better to have this be the end of his story? I seriously cannot understand it.

And lest anyone forget, a recap:
>Magus at the end of Chrono Trigger leaves alone to go find Schala. This is shown in the ending of all versions of Chrono Trigger.
>He finds her in the process of being forcibly fused with Lavos. She tells him there's nothing he can to to save her (picrel) and he erases his own memories in anguish. He initially laments about something important he had lost, but quickly forgets all about it. This is shown in an extra scene added DS version of Chrono Trigger, years after Cross was out.
>He becomes a Vegas Magician, travels to El Nido drinking and performing and living a life of hedonism, makes a bet with a random fortune teller to steal a random trinket from Viper Manor and, if you recruit him, he steals that trinket (maybe, you can forget about it) and wins that bet (or loses it). This is shown in Chrono Cross.
>And that's it. That's the end of Magus's story according to that delusional Crossfag. There's literally nothing more.

So, once again I ask you my friend, you who have provided me with so much amusement. Why do you think this whole sequence of events is in any way or form a positive for your game?

>>9929478
>who looks
Somewhat, yeah. No argument here
>and acts in most ways like a well established other character
Acts? How does Guile act like Magus? There is not one single thing that Guile does that would be in character for Magus. These characters have only some similarites in their appearance in common, which, to be fair, is more that can be said for Schala and Kid who have literally nothing in common.
>wait for the inevitable reveal.
And that's the problem anon. The reveal never comes. Guile never does anything. If he's not Magues, that just makes him just another meaningless, forgettable companion, a dime a dozen in that game. But if he's Magus? Then that's a profound disservice to his character. Chrono, Marle and Lucca got off lightly. They only lost their lives. But Magus, if he is Guile, lost his memories, his personality, his dignity, everything that made him himself and he never gets the merest smidge of recognition.

Why is this a good thing, again?

>>9929496
Janus and Magus are different incarnations, that's kinda the point and why the remasters of both games give more hints. You can think what you want but the intention is clear.

>>9929191
i cant see shit here with this tiny ass thumbnail

>>9908957
Is glenn in Cross supposed to be frog? its been like 20 years since ive played this i dont remember

>>9929567
He's meant to be an homage to the character but they're not related in any way.

>>9929595
Meanwhile, a whole 'nother optional party member with some of Frog's mannerisms can be found in the form of Turnip.

>>9929479
Nta but It's obvious bro. It's always been obvious, then they made it more obvious with re-releases. This is a very odd point in videogame history to trip on

>>9929595
I have always kind of assumed that Frog broke his curse after CT, settled down in 600ad, and Glenn is his distant descent.

>>9929536
>>9929478
>Those reaction images
>That candor and sense of rationality
Ah, finally another man of culture has joined the conversation

>>9930042
lmao

>>9930042
>>9930062
My name is Clark Kent, humble reporter for the Daily Planet and I support this message!

>>9929298
Where is that image from? Nothing in TRDE's bonus epilogue continues the "Guile is Magus" idea. If anything, it adds to the "potentiality" nothingness instead, clearly describing yet another version of the Radical Dreamers trio (as in Magil) that seemingly encounters the CC boss. Did you literally just type it up to fake a point and hope no one questioned it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtcFmr1T9U
lmao

>>9930732
>Did you literally just type it up to fake a point and hope no one questioned it?
Of course he did. Post lie, ignore the truth when it gets brought up, ignore anything that people respond with, accuse them of samefagging, keep posting nothing but lies, declare victory when people get bored of talking to a brick wall. That's always been the playbook here.

He still hasn't answered why pretending that Guile is Magus makes him so happy, and he never will. I suspect he doesn't know himself, or he doesn't want to admit that it's sheer contrarianism.

>>9930757
>He still hasn't answered why pretending that Guile is Magus makes him so happy, and he never will. I suspect he doesn't know himself, or he doesn't want to admit that it's sheer contrarianism.

To speak for myself, it doesn't make me happy or unhappy either way. I just think the intention so blatantly obvious that he's "totally not Janus at all" to the point of it being funny. It's also funny that one of the guys most upset about it was the one who still doesn't get the point of Azala summoning Lavos.

Such a beautiful thread.

>>9930975
>Azala summoning Lavos
Oh, of course the guy who insists so much on the intent, ignoring even the creator's word on this, is also the guy retarded enough to think that Azala summoned Lavos
lol
lmao even

>>9931003
Stop replying to some fag trolling

>>9931003
There he is. You not understanding that scene is never going to stop being funny.

>>9931010
Why? It's completely hilarious if he's serious, and even more so if he's only pretending to be retarded. It's not like the thread had anything worthwhile in it.

>>9931029
Yep, still hilarious. Keep going, you crazy bastard you!

>>9931039
He's not serious, only an idiot would really believe the Azala summoning shit, he's larping for (you)'s and it has worked the entire thread.

>>9931039
So tell me again what Azala meant when she calls the Red Star to fall and says that even if it's the fate of Reptites to perish that she won't simply hand the world over to them.

In your mind, what is the Red Star she calls down and why the fuck does she tell them they won't hand the world over? What do you think that means? You've refused to answer so far, will you lol?

>>9931047
You can explain it too if you want to try.

>>9931047
Then that's even more hilarious, isn't it? Pretending to be retarded for the (you)s is the stupidest form of trolling imaginable.

>>9931057
For one more time, my mentally deficient friend, Azala through something called "Astronomy" and you can only see as advanced sorcery, saw that the red star will be coming to wipe out her people and there's nothing she can do to stop that, but she's not going to hand the world over to the evolved monkeys without a fight, the boss fight that ensues right after she makes that taunt.
>You've refused to answer so far
This might be the third or the fourth time, I've lost count. But you refuse to answer why, you'd think that Azala is stupidly suicidal enough to summon the red star right on top of her people BEFORE they have been defeated? If she was that certain that the monkeys would win, why did she pick that fight in the first place? Is she more retarded than even you?

>>9931075
So if Azala knew the red star was coming either way and going to wipe everything out, why is she so concerned with the war with the humans? This happy coincidence explanation is so idiotic I can barely think you're serious.

>>9931093
>why is she so concerned with the war with the humans?
Because, as she says herself, as you've noted yourself, and as I've explained numerous times, she won't just handle the world over to them.
>I can barely think you're serious
>literally "no u"
Ahahahahahaha, you're hilarious my man. A great little clown. Please, keep going. I'm having a blast!

>>9931101
So you're saying that Azala knows Reptites are done for either way because Lavos is coming to kill everything, so she spends her final months in a war with humans that doesn't matter anyways. Sure...

Why then does she chastise them for not joining the Reptites? Why say they will wish they'd gone along with them if Lavos is known and inevitable? This is getting good.

>>9931101
Also while you're at it, can you explain why Ayla asks Azala what she's done? I mean if Azala didn't actually do anything in summoning Lavos and just says "Red Star... Fall" for dramatic effect because it's happening anyway, then why does Ayla react like that?

Ohh and maybe point out where the game says the Reptites are masters of astronomy. I can't find that line lol.

>>9931134
Pic for reference.

>>9931114
picrel:before the fight. For yet another time, she fights because she won't just hand over the world to the humans without a fight.
And after the fight:
>Soon, stones of fire will rain down.
>Flames shall scorch the land.
>The burned out plains will slowly freeze, ushering in a long, cruel ice age.
>Mwa, ha ha... what a treat!
>You will wish you went along with us!
She explains everything herself. She's not saying anything about joining the Reptites, that was never an option my reading-comprehension-challenged friend. She's saying that the humans are in for so much suffering in that ice age that they'll wish they were dead.

And to put it in your words, you're saying that Azala knows she can't win against the humans. so she picks a doomed fight with them and summons Lavos BEFORE actually losing said fight? For what purpose? What was her master plan here?

>>9931139
...anon, please, this is beyond funny.
This is Kino speaking. It's a bit difficult to understand, I get you, it's not like it has his name in all caps in the beginning like this:
>KINO:
Oh wait, it does. Anyway, this is Kino speaking, not Ayla, and he's asking Ayla what she's doing because she just disembarked and headed back to their enemies' leader to ask her to come with them.
>why does Ayla react like that?
She doesn't you big goof!

>>9931149
>you will wish you went along with us is totally not her saying you'd wish you went along with us.

You are truly illiterate and do not understand this scene or Chrono Trigger at all.

>>9930732
That's really fucking sad after reading >>9908983 & >>9924674
You can tell the poor guy's just dropping the breadcrumbs of an idea in his head for the next Chrono game but he's literally surrounded by mouthbreathing retards who misinterpret him and powerful retards who won't let it happen.

>>9931165
>No argument
>He addressed nothing
>Not even the fact that he mistook Kino for Ayla fazed him
Alright, I guess it had to happen with something so stupid. Your trolling ran out of steam. You are no longer amusing, little retard.
>You are truly illiterate
Ironic

>>9930062
I'm just here to masturbate

>>9904426
It doesn’t: the fight mechanics is retarded and way worse than CC, the characters level up independently of anything you do. It’s a game for NPC players: it feels like being an NPC yourself just watching a (boring) movie

>>9931187
>>9930732
Your willful blindness and capacity for mental gymnastics is truly amazing. Jesus Christ his name in the jap version is even Alf (as in Alfador, Janus' cat)

The time was near - the final battle awaited.
There, alone in the shadows, the man lingered.
His partners, a young man and a young woman,
had already made their preparations, and were
waiting for him at the place they had agreed upon.

Their foe was a fearsome opponent indeed.
Would the three of them be able to defeat him?
There was only one way to find out.
All the better - what fun is a battle
whose outcome is all but certain.

The man reached a hand to his mask-
silver and unembellished,
save for a few subtle details.

It had been many long years
since he last revealed his face.

Did he wear the mask to hide himself from others?
Or did he wear it to hide from himself?

Enough time had passed that
not even he was sure anymore.

But it didn't matter now.
The end was coming - an end to everything.
Soon, his long days of wandering would be over.
So too would the girl's ill-fated, fleeting existence.

How many years had passed?
How many centuries?
How much love and prayer,
how much hatred and rancor,
how much despair and resignation,
had slowly and silently fallen over him,
piling up like snow?

1/2

>>9931412
2/2

On that fated day, long, long ago...
everything that he was had vanished...
Faded away into nothingness...
without so much as a whimper...

There was nothing he could have done to stop it...

But one memory stayed with him,
even after everything else fell away.
One unforgettable image...

That kingdom of winds, forever lost...

Those blessed days in a paradise above the clouds...

And that face... Her gentle, bitter-sweet smile...

Perhaps his time behind the mask
was coming to an end...

His icy gaze seemed to thaw for a moment-
and then he sprang to action.

The moonlight flashed across the mask's surface.
His silvery hair flowed behind him,
reaching out like the tail of a coment.

"The time has come, o fated star-
the king has returned."

And with that... he vanished into the darkness.

Though a life may end, a story lives on.
Not forever, perhaps, but...

What's eternity...

... compared to this moment in time?

fin.

>>9931208
I don't need an argument, what you're trying to say makes no sense. You are desperately twisting a very obvious narrative because you can't handle that the humans interfering with time is partly what leads to lavos coming to the planet, which is one of the main points of the game and one of the things Chrono Cross deals with.

What you are trying to say is Azala knew exactly where and when Lavos was going to crash into the planet. So instead of just moving the Reptities to another place away from the impact, she spends her time in a war with the humans because reasons. Then right at the end she pretends to summon the Red Star down as retribution, but it was all just for dramatic effect. Ohh and then she says the humans will regret not going along with them for no logical reason.

Seriously dude as I said before, if you really don't understand the human's role in Lavos coming to the planet you have weapons grade level autism and don't understand even the basic premise of the game.

>>9931208
Also remember, the name of the chapter this all takes place in when you save your game is called "Unnatural selection" a pretty weird fucking title if the Reptites were doomed either way because they knew Lavos was headed straight for their home city and they were doomed no matter what... have you even played the damn game?

>>9931492
>What you are trying to say is Azala knew exactly where and when Lavos was going to crash into the planet
Yes
>So instead of just moving the Reptities to another place away from the impact
Anon, it didn't matter. Ice age coming, reptiles are fucked. You are impossibly dumb to miss that much.
>she spends her time in a war with the humans because reasons
Because she can't just hand the planet over to them like that. This is like the sixth time we go back and forth on this specific point. You are worse than ChatGPT at understanding text
>Then right at the end she pretends to summon the Red Star down as retribution
No she doesn't, it's just a taunt you autistic retard, and it happens in the beginning of the battle. Why the fuck would she summon Lavos BEFORE fighting the humans? You've never answered that.
>Ohh and then she says the humans will regret not going along with them for no logical reason.
Because the Ice Age will be suffering, and the Reptites at least will be spared the pain. Again, mentioned before, your reading comprehension is abysmal
>don't understand even the basic premise of the game.
Which is, according to you, Azala randomly waking up one fine day and deciding to commit suicide by humans by picking a fight she knew she couldn't win then summoning a comet that will completely annihilate her people and merely inconvenience her enemies? How impossibly retarded do you have to be to think that this was her thinking process?t

An alternative translation might, just might, help you see, though it's exceedingly unlikely. Now tell me anon, why would Azala summon the comet FIRST, and THEN try to erase the monkeys from history/exterminate those filthy apes? Was she so certain that she was going to lose?

>>9931494
And since you're putting so much emphasis on the name of the chapter, that was something changed in translation. You might as well be arguing that the name of the Masamune proves that Melchior actually travelled to Japan and became the legendary swordsmith in our world.

>>9931552
>Anon, it didn't matter. Ice age coming, reptiles are fucked. You are impossibly dumb to miss that

Ahh yes, the Reptites, highly advanced civilization can see exactly where and when a space monster will crash to the planet and cause an ice age. So instead of making coats and structures to withstand the cold they wage a pointless war against beings they regard as stupid apes but they know will survive anyways...


You sir, are stupid beyond words. Shot in the dark, are you Christian to boot?

>>9931564
>Coats
>He thinks coats can help a cold-blooded lizard survive an ice age
lol
lmao

So, anon, why did Azala summon the red comet before the fight?

>>9931572
I am face palming so hard right now. You spend all this time championing for Chrono Trigger and you don't even understand what it's about.

>>9931572
>why did Azala summon the red comet before the fight?

Probably because even though she's never seen one before, she can tell that a robot and humans with other far better weapons have intervened and she's fucked so she summons the ultimate weapon.

Why do you think she says it? Just for fun? To casually mention that the fight that's about to take place doesn't matter at all either way anyways?

I beat this game last night. I really had a lot of fun with the first half or so of the game, finding and getting to know all these people, figuring out how to recruit them and building your small army, how they relate to one another, how they compare to their alternate selves, to me it's all really great, even if most of them aren't super fleshed out. I think the game would have been a lot better if it had nothing to do with Trigger or any of that Chronopolis/Dinopolis bullshit and just focused on Serge hopping between timelines to solve people's problems the whole game, adding more choices like saving Kid, and then beating up the big bad at the end, because the game totally shits the bed later on shoving all these revelations and info involving Trigger down your throat.
The battles are piss easy especially with Diminish but at least it lets you just pick who you like without having to care about who the best characters are, technically. I used Steena for a lot of the last few bosses just 'cause I think her design and animations are really cool.
Anyway, thanks for reading my blogpost

>>9931572
Also while you're at it, I know Chrono Cross makes you super butthurt, but you have to acknowledge it's the canonical sequel according to the people who made it. So given your "Lavos was inevitable" theory, how do you explain on3 of the timelines in Chrono Cross which is one where Chrono and friends didn't interfere so Lavos never showed up and they continued evolving?

Is that a happy lucky timeline where Lavos misses the planet?

>>9931636
You're absolutely right anon. The game really shits the bed when it tries to go deep in the second half, and even more so when it hastily and messily tries to tie its plot to Trigger. Both games become worse by that forced connection. I still have no idea why they didn't make it as the FF-style loose sequel they set out to make initially. Square wasn't often making direct sequels anyway back then, so why would they decide to make this complete failure the exception?

>>9931412
>>9931414
Those are a whole lot of words, but they aren't designed to do anything purposeful, unless you count tickling your 'tisms.

>>9932825
Oh man that's some hardcore mental gymnastics you got going there. I accept your defeat.

The problem with the pros and antis is that they're both sort of right and neither are willing to concede ground to the other so they're just sort of talking over each other.
>Chrono Trigger DS/Steam
Half-assed ending that points to Guile being retconned as amnesiac Magus, but outside of Guile's Frozen Flame metagag text this doesn't make a lot of sense for the characters and is treated as more like a minor point of trivia rather than some massive revelation, and the canonicity of the rerelease content is iffy at best (we knew about Dalton in a previous interview BTW, you're telling me the CT crew knew in advance and did nothing about it for once?). The takeaway, however, is that the Magus that becomes amnesiac is -not- our Magus. He's only one possible version of Magus, from an undetermined point after Lavos's defeat. We have no idea how much history he even shares with our Magus, so for all intents and purposes, he's a stranger. Bottom line: A Magus=/=THE Magus. He might as well be a shared-sprite NPC.
>Radical Dreamers Edition
Literally vague for the sake of being vague. We have no idea what the "final battle" is, nor are the young man and woman described in any details, but what I take is that it's definitely describing Magil (that, or Guile-as-amnesiac was retconned again, but again that doesn't line up to the Frozen Flame text).
Few key phrases
>>9931412
>The time was near - the final battle awaited.
>There, alone in the shadows, the man lingered.
>His partners, a young man and a young woman,
>had already made their preparations, and were
>waiting for him at the place they had agreed upon.
It's a rendezvous. This either takes place immediately prior to the start of Radical Dreamers, or it's a reference to a hypothetical next game; this does not describe events depicted in CC.
>Soon, his long days of wandering would be over.
>So too would the girl's ill-fated, fleeting existence.
The girl here is probably the young woman just mentioned, aligning with RD Schala.

>>9931414
>On that fated day, long, long ago...
>everything that he was had vanished...
>Faded away into nothingness...
>without so much as a whimper...
Oh my, that does sound a lot like the pic you posted. Very well, I conce-
>There was nothing he could have done to stop it...
>But one memory stayed with him,
>even after everything else fell away.
>One unforgettable image...
>That kingdom of winds, forever lost...
>Those blessed days in a paradise above the clouds...
>And that face... Her gentle, bitter-sweet smile...
-de to the fact that your pic is meaningless horse manure, because this is obviously describing how powerless Janus felt after Zeal fell.
>"The time has come, o fated star-
>the king has returned."
>And with that... he vanished into the darkness.
Not gonna lie, dunno what this means, maybe he plans to marry his sister lol

>>9933071
The Magus from Chrono Trigger who is the demonic version is whathe becomes in the timelines where he is captured as a kid by Ozzie. But there are other timelines where that doesn't occur and Janus grows up more normally. The Guile in CC and Magil of Radical Dreamers are a couple of those parallel dimension alternates.

>>9934181
>The Guile in CC and Magil of Radical Dreamers are a couple of those parallel dimension alternates.
[Citation Needed]

>>9934181
>The Magus from Chrono Trigger who is the demonic version is what he becomes in the timelines where he is captured as a kid by Ozzie.
Speaking of which, what the hell was Ozzie even doing in Truce Canyon before Janus showed up?

>>9934259
secret masturbating spot

>>9934259
I think it's less what he was doing than who he was doing.

>>9930036
This is my thinking too. That Glenn returns and is recognized as a hero, settles down and has kids. The Glenn in Chrono Cross is either one of his descendants or it's become a name like Arthur that's used as an honorific.

>>9934864
>As an honorific
Kato does have a history of doing that. There's another cursed frog swordsman in his mobile game named Cyrus. He meets with Glenn from from Cross and forgive me if I'm misremembering, but I'm pretty sure he (Glenn) tells him that he was named after his ancestor who was a famous swordsman.
>>9933071
>>9934181
Since you are both living in headcanon land, let me give you one that actually makes sense in the continuity of all 3 games.
>Magus lives through the events of Chrono Trigger
>Becomes Magil in Radical Dreamers
>Travels back to the past to fight Lavos in a last ditch effort to save Schala (the amnesiac Magus we see in the DS ending)
>Names himself after his cat, Alfador (Guile in the western release for some reason)
>Chronopolis gets sent back in time triggering the events of Chrono Cross
>Regains his memories as detailed in the Radical Dreamers Edition ending and becomes Magus again
>Hail to the king, baby

>>9934307
That's a man

>>9935495
You say that like it matters.

>>9935494
>Becomes Magil in Radical Dreamers
>Travels back to the past to fight Lavos in a last ditch effort to save Schala (the amnesiac Magus we see in the DS ending)
Holy crap, no. Did you even play Radical Dreamers? Schala gets a different outcome. Magil satisfies his quest for her in the main ending. As far as CC is concerned, RD doesn't take place in either its home or another worlds. RD Magil=/=CC Guile. That's for certain.
>>9931412
>Alfador
You keep saying that, but if Guile really named himself after Alfador (Alphard in the Japanese version) (which again doesn't make sense because he doesn't remember anything, remember?), his name should really have been Alpha due to how Japanese phonetics work. Plus, the CC localizers were known to be in touch with the original devs, so I'm sure they would have stressed to keep his name the same if that was the intention.

>>9935494
Radical Dreamers takes place in a separate timeline from Chrono Cross and Trigger.

>>9935494
Has this schizo actually played any of the games? Holy shit.

>>9936326
>>9936331
Because that was worth a bump.

>>9936331
I don't know, have you?

>>9936331
>>9936339
You do realize the events of Radical Dreamers parallel a section of the events in Chrono Cross... right?

>>9935728
I guess it doesn't to literal demons, who are the ones fucking trannies irl as well..

>>9935728
I suppose it doesn't matter when you're a literal demon. Just like the 'people' who fuck trannies in real life.

>>9921484
says the crosssimp lmao

>>9936326
It's only a separate timeline because Belthasar sends that city back from the future. The original timeline from which he sends it back is post radical dreamers which makes it canon

>>9937431
[Citation Needed]

(The entire El Nido archipelago exists only because Balthasar sent that city back in time. The Viper Manor can not have been built at all without the time crash and FATE using the dragon god's power to create land in the distant past)

>>9935494
i thought the same thing with Magil and the memory bank in CC but apparently, it took place in a """parallel universe""" despite it working too well if it wasn't written as such.

i think your interpretation was the original plan, but somewhere along the way, Kato thought that trying to connect the game up to CT as nuanced as that would either get him into trouble with the 'DreamTeam' or he retconned it because he hated CT.

Either way >>9936651, while canon, I also thought felt kind of halfassed. If it wasn't relevant, CC Remaster wouldn't have RD compiled with it, so it must be relevant in some way.

>>9937513
It all connects. Chrono Trigger deals with the party hopping through time to try to save their friends first and humanity second. Chrono Cross deals with the different dimensions and timelines caused by that which is part of where Radical Dreamers fits in. It's the story of one of the parallel dimensions where Kid, Serge and mysery mage sneak into Viper Manor on a full moon in search of Lynx. Those events also happen in Chrono Cross to a greater or lesser degree depending on the decisions the player makes.

One could take Kid and Guile to Viper's Manor in Chrono Cross which would make it closer to the events of Radical Dramers. Or Serge could go through with Nikki and Mojo and ignore Kid at every turn.

The whole point is neither is more correct thsn the other because the series is all about split timelines and dimensions.

>>9937596
I understand, but Magus being such an iconic and a bit of a recurring character similar to Glenn that him getting caught up in weird timeline shenanigans like that makes perfect sense. the retcon also makes perfect sense but doing away with it kind of strips away a lot of weight in CC imho. it had to have been altered in some way because it flows too smoothly.

May I try to make sense of the Radical Dreamers game over screen for a moment?
Okay, let's put aside the obvious impracticality of Serge being glued to his diary and writing everything as it happens to his last dying breath (this is a fantasy world, so let's assume those killed on Viper Manor grounds would become undead). It's established from the outset that Serge's grandkid is reading the diary, so that poses an arguably bigger problem in these little death scenarios. Kid is approximately 16 in Radical Dreamers, same age as in Chrono Chross, so let's say that Serge is the same age in both games as well, which is listed as 17 in the latter. So, at some point on his travels shortly before the start of Radical Dreamers...did Serge get a girl pregnant, possibly without even knowing? Certainly doesn't seem to be Kid, unless they just had a one-night stand the night before for luck or something. Could maybe be the Leena equivalent in the Radical Dreamers world. Whatever the case, Serge is likely a young father.
Or is grandpa Serge off his rocker and we can't believe a word he writes in the book (some of those alternate routes are pretty suspect)?

I reject Cross bullshittery.
It's simply not a good game.

Sounds a bit like a CC track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSvVHm1i-o

>>9938503
I think it's entirely possible that in one of the realities where he lives that he and Leena could have had a child.

>>9934259
The nut room.

>>9931492
Azala had NO idea what Lavos was. It didn't know it was a big space parasite that would fuck the Earth by consuming its lifeforce. It was a big red rock that common sense told em it was getting closer to the planet and was going to crash into it. Moving the castle shit didnt matter, the planet was fucked to an ice age no matter what. If anything, it was incentive to kill out the humans quicker before that impact occurs.

>>9935495
It's not gay if it's your bros.

>>9935495

>>9904426
Never. It only gets worse.

I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say this thread got discord raided.

>>9940046
Take your meds schizo

>>9938503
Anyone ever noticed that Radical Dreamers is Serge's book about Kid, and Chrono Cross is Kid's book about Serge?
It's all more poetic that these two people who shouldn't exist find each other and end up together.

>>9940046
Nah it's just one autist that hates Chrono Cross because it means his fantasy ending of Frog fucking Queen Leene never happened. He gets schizo like this about a few other games too

>>9941084
>It's all more poetic
lmao
>>9941127
>it's just one autist that hates Chrono Cross
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that

>>9939932
You are so completely wrong. Azala knows EXACTLY what Lavos is and what it will do. It's why she describes it to the humans and mocks them for not going along with the Reptites. You are so fucking stupid It's beyond measure. It's literally there in the game scrpit.

>>9941084
It really is. These were such incredible games.

>>9941084
I did notice that. I thought it was a nice touch. It's just too bad we'll probably never get the 3rd game where the protags of both games team up that we got teased with.
>>9941151
And there he is. Hey buddy, you figure out a cope that makes sense to non-schizos for >>9931412 >>9931414 yet?

>>9941175
>Azala knows EXACTLY what Lavos is and what it will do
[Citation Needed]

>>9938503
>>9941084
broke: RD & CC are CT sequels in separate realities
woke: RD & CC are CT sequel with unreliable narrators

>>9941327
She describes it to the players right here >>9910741 >>9910660 Azala calls down Lavos and tells the humans how fucked they are now and they will wish they'd gone along with them. It's literally the script of the game.

>>9920320
i love rpgshrines. great fucking site

>>9941084
thanks for pointing that out anon, i didn't think about it but its very well layed out. if a sequel game would ever to be made, from whose pov what that book be from?

>>9938503
>Or is grandpa Serge off his rocker and we can't believe a word he writes in the book?
I don't really buy that since it's a degree away from "it was all a dream," and we wouldn't have much of a game.
>Whatever the case, Serge is likely a young father.
I kinda doubt the devs thought overmuch of the game over screen, but assuming you're right that Serge sowed his seeds around then, I think it rules out Kid because I'm pretty sure he says he never saw her again near the end (but it's been a while since I played and it could still just be another Demi embellishment). The way it's written doesn't give me the impression that they boinked before the game started, what with Serge being kinda nervous around her and Kid getting ticked at him easily, but I also knew couples in highschool who acted similarly well after they started having sex, so who knows.
Come to think of it, I wonder if the same grandchild from Radical Dreamers is supposed to read the diary in Chrono Cross.

>>9918140
this

>>9918140
>99%

The point of the two dimensions is that they're similar but different where it actually matters.

>>9938503
Maybe he had a kid with Kid that she leaves with him before going on to take care of some Schala business and he can't go looking for her cuz of the kid or maybe didn't get weird of what was going on until years later. That he "disappears" points to him doing something related to her. Probably got herself absorbed by another lavos spawn outside of time and space and needs big dick daddy Serge to come save her again.

>>9938503
You get a game over when Serge is fatally wounded, right? There's no game over scenario where Kid is killed? Because DAYUM, mah boi Sergey is a PRO lol

I feel so bad for Leena, bros.

The "childhood friend doesn't work out" trope is only supposed to happen when one or both take the other for granted. For all intensive purposes, she's pretty much already your steady at the start of Cross, and you gotta be nice to her to activate her ultimate skill later so it's effectively canon that he had a soft spot for her. Like seriously, Leena was THIS CLOSE to getting Serged on the beach before the game starts. Kid might be more plot-convenient, but Leena is def more steadfast dedicated wife material.

But y'know, "potentialities" and all that, so I'm gonna pretend there's a happy ending for her in some other reality out there.

So was Kid merged into Schala at the end like she was in Radical Dreamers but the translation was muddied, or was she being cute when she used Schala's name, or what? I'm still very confused if Cross Kid became her own person or not.

>>9943616
>I'm gonna pretend there's a happy ending for her in some other reality out there.
Find videos of Cross's alternative endings on youtube. She and Serge end up together in far more of them than Serge and Kid do.

>>9943616
Serge is the typical Japtagonist who failed Fuck Marry Kill.

>>9943646
Oh, anon, it's very simple. What happens in the end is SKDLJFGNV KLGSDFJGHSLKDFBJGNXLSHKYI ASD.

Kato really is a genius with the way he made such a great and so easily understood story.

>>9943646
As much as I want Kid to be her own individual, I'm gonna assume they merged at the end because she's the only character who has no parting lines at the end..well, besides Serge, who's the silent protagonist, and Harle, who's a NG+ bonus (possibly a glitch) that isn't supposed to be there at the endgame. That, and RD depicted Kid as a more straightforward incarnation of Schala, so I'll assume the same is true there and Kid just split in CC because of dimensional nonsense.
Besides, "Kid is Schala" makes Schala more interesting (she didn't really have a character in CT besides "stop mother you're depressing") and brings up the theme of nature vs nurture.

>>9943616
Leena stood no chance against the psycho, pedo bitch who used her godlike powers and hatched an insane plan specifically to cuck the childhood friend gf

>>9943696
Kid and Schala have literally nothing in common. Kid herself completely rejects the revelation and vehemently hates being a clone, and if you think that Schala can only be made interesting if she's essentially killed and replaced by someone completely different, then I don't really know what to tell you other than that you fundamentally misunderstood her character.

>>9943696
>>9943714
Schala takes on her speech mannerisms near the end of the speech, so I presume that's the game's way of giving Kid her "goodbye" line, because Kid has to be omnipresent and orbits around Serge's journey even if she isn't in his party.
Honestly gonna go with "they merged" too, they NEED the other half of each other to mellow out.

>>9943696
>>9943775
The video that plays during the credits shows that Schala got reverse isekai'd and is looking for (you) in present day Japan, they did not merge.

>>9943796
Kato stated that the real-life girl is not literally Schala, but a message to the player that a Kid of their own can be found out there somewhere, or some shit like that.

>>9943839
Most of that is just some random autist's interpretation of Kato sniffing his own farts. The whole thing is retarded no matter how you cut it.

>>9941434
>>9942928
the next game (lol) will be about Skiderge's quest to find out if Grandpa Serge or Grandma Kid was crazier

>>9943879
I can't wait for Kato's magnum opus... Chrono Mental[ Break!