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>>9765548
Because it made pcfats seethe.

/thread

>weekly Halo bait thread with guaranteed 200+ replies
I'm tired of this meme

>>9765553
Halo is literally on PC. Forced meme.

im too tired

maybe later

No idea. The whole thing is just Unreal but not as good.

>>9765568
90 percent of the halo hate on /vr/ is from seething jealous pcfats from 2001-2003. Not a forced meme.

>>9765553
What?

>>9765662
>>9765661

>>9765661
why would I, a pcfat from 2001-03, be jealous when it had a demo (which I loved) and it released on pc?

>>9765548
console babies

>>9765548
Halo is multimedia which while mostly built around a "game", its lasting power seems to be its influence on more general science fiction types of people. Only a certain class of faggot still pretends to care about Quake because a bare "game" is only interesting as long as it's novel or you can compete in it. Halo doesn't need to compete with Quake or Unreal or whatever else as a game because it's more than one.

Other half of its success is of course fluking way closer to optimal "game" based engagement than its competition when that was still getting worked out. Got it an insane amount of general attention, and within that greater exposure to potential hardcore appreciation.

1) The sci-fi War On Terror storyline really helped sell it as a playable action movie to normies, Prior to Halo, most non-fans thought FPSs were for potential school shooters and edgelords.
2) While not the inventor of it, it was the first console FPS to achieve success with the right-stick-to-look layout and aim assist, which made it much more appealing to casuals. This is also why it was so hated by PC FPS fans, they felt it was an unacceptable level of casualization.

>>9765548

it was basically the beginning of globohomo. everyone knew it was absurd to list halo next to ocarina of time but you were not really allowed to say it. it was the start of corporate disinformation narratives and the removal of actual soul from the product. if halo was released 5 years before it would considered shovelware shit like most other first persons

Good multiplayer experience on the Xbox

>>9766093
>it was basically the beginning of globohomo
For what, games? No and you have no proof. In general? No as Columbine came before it and fucked up everything. If anything. Columbine was the beginning of the end.
>start of corporate disinformation narratives
Not even close. That shit has been a thing forever.
>if halo was released 5 years before it would considered shovelware shit like most other first persons
You mean 5 years after it standarized the FPS console control scheme? You're honestly retarded and either a hater or another platforms fanboy.

>>9766124
Too bad they ruined it with the Halo 2 update. Only time I've ever seen a great game turn to absolute shit with a single update

>>9765548
It was basically the first time console kids had seen a decent FPS and it blew their minds. Good game, but has some horrible shortcomings such as floaty movement and horrific weapon accuracy which were designed to overcome the problems with controllers. It was on PC too, but on that platform its weaknesses were much more apparent so it never really took off.

>>9766093

perfect multiplayer.
>>9766140
delusion. you missed out on the LAN parties and you're seething eternally.

>>9766156
I had LAN parties, just with significantly better games on a significantly better platform. Feels great not to have grown up deprived. How many of those people you had console FPS parties with are you still in touch now? Or did you magically realise you were surrounded by retards the entire time? If you didn't, it's because you are one too lmalo

>>9765548
Look at this screenshot, everything that is wrong with 00's FPS level design

>let's make HUGE ass levels that are completely empty
>just because we can!!!

>>9765661
Halo was out on PC in 2003/4 and /vr/ didn't exist back then

>>9766202
They aren’t empty, unlike your brain.

>>9766208
/vr/ is the hardest board to tell if someone is baiting or retarded.
I’m saying most people who hate halo are PC (or nintendorks) who were between the ages of 10-25 when Halo came out. They have been saying the same shit for fucking twenty years.
Things they hate:
>muh shields
>muh slow
>muh GENERIC (lol)
>muh two weapons
>muh “casualization”

It’s all bullshit from jealous pcfats. Half of them ended up liking Halo after it came to PC either secretly or openly.

>>9766140
>>9766169
>horrific weapon accuracy
Needler litterally homes. Pistol was unbeliably accurate and OP. Halo 2 post-update saw one of the most busted weapons of all-time in the Battle Rifle.
>better games
You mean a patform like PC with 20 years of testing and refining had better games? It should or what a fucking joke otherwise. Let me guess, you think the CS franchise is good even though they have some of the most arcadey gameplay and most broken hitboxes I've ever seen.

>>9766297
I'm sorry you're still so hung up on this years later. I'm glad that you can accept that, yes, the platform I grew up with had vastly superior games to the ones you grew up with. No, I don't like CS. Condolences and good luck.

>>9766217
Why would PC players be jealous of a game that was always on PC? That's the part of your argument that doesn't make sense.
Personally I like Halo a lot even though I'm not really a fan of console shooters, but I would take Unreal Tournament over Halo multiplayer any day of the week.

>>9766308
I grew up on the NES, not the Xbox. Again, PC should have the best for any genre over the Xbox as it had some 20-30 years of a head start. The simple fact that at any time a console or handheld has had a superior game in any genre is hilarious given the aforementioned.

>>9765548
Because it casualized the genre enough that it became approachable by everyone.

>>9766334
>I don't like it = casualized
>approachable = bad
You sound hipster as fuck

>>9766349
>getting offended this easily
>fallacy
Anon all I did was state a fact. I did not even insinuate whether it was a good or bad thing. Stop being so fragile.

>>9766354
You state no facts. Whether or not a game is "casual" is pure opinion as there's no objective measure to determine it. Everyone played Doom at some point on PC or any of the other million devices it's on. I can very easily say that Doom made the FPS genre approachable by everyone.

>>9766361
>You state no facts.
I did.
>Everyone played Doom at some point on PC or any of the other million devices it's on. I can very easily say that Doom made the FPS genre approachable by everyone.
Please don't respond to me if you're genuinely retarded. The fact that Doom is available to play on toasters and refrigerators does not have anything to do with how approachable it is. Gameplay is what matters, not the number of devices. By your logic Kirby games are not very approachable.

Concession accepted. Enjoy this final (You) because I don't like picking on the mentally deficient.

>>9766371
Tell me what the definition of "casual" is in relation to video games. Then you must also tell me who created this definition. Cite sources as well. If you can't do those things, then it's pure opinion without a concrete meaning.
>Gameplay is what matters, not the number of devices
Same applies to casual. What is the definition of approachable in relation to games. Who created this definition and cite you sources.
>Concession accepted. Enjoy this final (You) because I don't like picking on the mentally deficient.
Wow, what a sad little liberal snowflake you are. You know you're getting destroyed so unlike a mature adult who admits they're wrong, you cover your ears and run away so you claim some sort of victory. You truly are one of the saddest faggots I've ever seen.

>>9766217
>/vr/ is the hardest board to tell if someone is baiting or retarded
ironic

Halo was never good, same as HL2. Both are mediocre games carried by hype (and fps-starved console peasants)

>>9766514
cool opinion bro

>>9765553
>>9765661
I played Halo in 2003 on a shitty P3, east-europe faggot too. I can't imagine people weren't playing it on PC in the actual first world.

>>9765553
>>9765568
Fun fact, it was supposed to be a Mac exclusive before Microsoft bought Bungie.

>>9766514
true

>>9766561
People didn't play it on PC because PC had actually good games. Most PC players didn't give a shit about Halo

>>9766574
The campaign was interesting enough for me to finish it. I got it pirated too, so it wasn't like I forced myself because I felt bad about money.

>>9766217
you still havent explained how a pcfat from 2001-2003 woud be jealous of halo players?

>>9766217
I was a PCfat between the ages of 10-25 when Halo came out and I liked it.

>>9766217
>Half of them ended up liking Halo after it came to PC either secretly or openly.
But Halo was on PC before it even was on Xbox??

>>9766514
Shit taste

I still love the atmosphere, soundtrack and worldbuilding, Halo really captures the feeling of being in an unknown alien world and imo that's it's strong points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu66OjDfM6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjiVkHOKtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gpz8QU4tCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gzk0pAw3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGzrvMXdz88
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGz-AfDaDAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIVqMbnQ9Wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFJYmFTfWg0

>>9766563
That’s not fun.

>>9766867
Really liked it when I first saw the horizon after being on the Halo.

>>9766875
Would unironically have a less retarded following today.

I don't understand how Metroid Prime is taken as almost universally great but we're still doing this circus for Halo.

>>9766927
it's almost like metroid is japanese and halo is western

>>9766927
Prime is it's own thing and is judged as such. It's borderline flawless for what it's trying to do. Halo is pretty mediocre in all regards because it's just another FPS so you've got two main camps; people who grew up with Halo and worship it because it's the first FPS they could get into and people who recognize it for what it is and push back against the overzealous fanbase.

>>9766935
I played original Doom when it came out and I still liked Halo.

>>9766939
Do you praise it as the greatest FPS of all time?

>>9766935
I always like how people will say that Halo isn't, is mediocre, shit, etc., but they never say why. They also never say what IS a great FPS and why. Weird.

Quakeniggers seething
your tech demo was never good

>>9766945
Doom? Yes.

>>9766931
Metroid Prime is not Japanese.

>>9766973
pleb

>>9766974
metroid is japanese
prime is developed by burgers with directions from nintendo and nitendos ip

>>9766957
The only noteworthy thing about Halo is it had a decent campaign but FPS games do not live on campaigns.

>>9767008
Halo multiplayer was great. Sad you didn't have any friends to do 4-player splitscreen or 4-8 player system link. Halo 2 was great for multiplayer as well until the update came and fucked the game up beyond repair.
>FPS games do not live on campaign
This is bullshit. Campaign always matters unless you're some zoomer that solely plays online bullshit.

Still weird nobody can say what games are great and why. Very interesting.

>>9767036
>This is bullshit.
Anon for someone who screeches about wanting proof you sure do seem to love asserting your opinion as fact. It's cute that you think you know more than pretty much every developer who has put serious effort into FPS games.

>>9767043
So Doom, HL, HL2, Wolfenstein, Far Cry, early Tom Clancy games, every FPS pre-PS2/Xbox gen, etc. don't count because they're about the single player capaign mode?

Still have yet to say what are great FPS and why. Gee, I wonder why that's the case.

>>9765568
Halo wasn't on PC until years after the fact, and the Gearbox port wasn't nearly as good.

But I remember Halo being a source of ire on PC gaming forums. I, myself, certainly remember pissing all over it back then for basically the same reasons.

>>9767068
Halo was on PC before it was on the Xbox. What are you on about?

>>9766217
>>9767068
>Halo wasn't on PC
AAAAA what alternative universe shit is this

>>9767072
>Halo was on PC before it was on the Xbox.
It was never on any platform prior to the Xbox. It was *meant* to be on Mac and PC, but moved to the Xbox for financial reasons.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved#Move_to_Xbox

>>9767059
Anon you do realize you're only proving my point, yes? The later you look on the timeline the less you see effort put into campaigns. This wasn't an arbitrary decision. Once Internet connectivity became widespread the shift was very noticeable.

When people talk about Goldeneye or Halo they almost always talk about the multiplayer. You even mentioned it yourself. Thanks for proving me right I guess? Not sure what you were going for there but I'll take it anyway.
>broken record
But people have already said why. How about this; explain why it's anywhere close to deserving the accolades people shower on it. Burden of proof anon. You can't just claim something is amazing without saying why then expect others to go into detail on your non-existent arguments. That's a fallacy. Please apply yourself.

>>9767084
>Halo wasn't on PC [...]
>>9767068
>[...] until years after the fact
Nice logic chopping fallacy.

>>9767087
You said the FPS don't LIVE on capagnes. Clearly a fuck ton did before online-only based shooters took over. You seem to not even know what you posted.
>But people have already said why
No, people have yet to list ANY FPS that THEY think is great and the reason why. You apparently can't read not only your own posts, but mine either.

>>9767101
>You said the FPS don't LIVE on capagnes. Clearly a fuck ton did before online-only based shooters took over.
They don't. Halo came out right around the time when the shift from campaign to co-op focus was happening. You can clearly see this taking effect with the evolution of the series. Again, you've done nothing but prove me correct in this regard anon. People remember Halo for the multiplayer because that's what people were starting to primarily focus on.
>fallacy
Try again anon. I'm not going to fall for your deflection. Let's see your arguments.

you play halo and your basically running around green hills for hours getting fuckiing lost because you dont know where to go, occasionally since 1 or 2 aliens because that is all the box can handle. eventually you find some wierd spot which triggers a cutscene that allows u to continue. piece of shit. soulless. paid shills imo. you can basically pin the decline of gaming and the rot onto generic shitshovelware halo getting 10/10

>>9767120
So you ignore every capaign based FPS ever made? Doesn't work that way.
>Try again anon. I'm not going to fall for your deflection. Let's see your arguments.
You still have yet to post ONE FPS you think is great.

I accept your concession and accept that you're wrong. Good luck being so goddamn retarded that you can't read. Ignoring. Now be a good retard and reply to me when I'll never see it.

>>9765548
Solid art direction, music, guns felt good to shoot, vehicles you could drive, easily identified enemies, lifted just enough from other sci fi to be familiar but stood on its own enough to be unique

>>9767128
>fallacies
That's not what I said at all. Maybe work on that reading comprehension?
>more fallacies
Anon, autistic spergouts do not win you any Internet points. You don't seem to realize that you need to put forth an argument before someone can counter said argument. Simply asserting your opinion as fact and demanding others cave to your whims contributes nothing more than being called out for the retard you are.

>>9765568
>>9766563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fElUNYerY0w
>card bursts into flames
some things never change

>>9765548
A lot of it comes down how FPS were largely a PC-exclusively genre up until that point, and were generally difficult to translate to consoles. So for many gamers (as PC gaming wasn't nearly as accessible back then as it is now), this was their first ever FPS, and one of the earliest FPS (aside from DOOM) to have a garner a mainstream audience (at least for the time).

>>9766935
this weird pc gamer cope never stops being strange

>>9767196
>buzzword
Not an argument.

>>9766945
almost nobody does that, your enemies are all strawmen. and the people who do are still less annoying than quake and doom boomers

>>9767190
Fucking GF2 didn't even have all features to run all the required shaders, needed a GF3 for that.

>>9767202
i don't argue with retards, I'm just pointing out the mental illness

yawn
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/halo%20masterpiece/type/op/

>>9767203
>almost nobody does that
Plugging your ears and covering your eyes does not change reality.
>>9767205
>no argument
Neat, I suppose you concede then. I accept.

>>9767215
yawn

>unironically thinks playing the apathetic middle schooler card is cool
Some people never matured mentally beyond their early teens and it shows.

>>9766563
Was it? I swear it was supposed to be multiplatform and release on everything

>>9767290
In 1999.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eZ2yvWl9nQ

Was supposed to release in 2000 for Mac only. But MS bought them up and hence it took longer, still got a Mac release because Apple had a contract with Bungie but MS made a Xbox and PC port too.

>>9767238
yawn

>>9767320
>Jobs was the first person to publicly announce the name of the game and it's name (Halo)
One of the most well known FPS series today that every faggot know, introduced by the guy who hated gaming, dang

>>9766310
It wasn’t always on pc, are you insane?
If you are unaware of pcfats eternal hatred of Halo than you are a newfag.
“Baby’s first fps” is their meme.

>>9767238
>Some people never matured mentally beyond their early teens
That's men in general.

>every FPS has to go at Sonic speeds
This really all Halo hate threads really center around

>>9765661
90% of the hate for halo isn't even real

>>9766927
Halo is about the shootan, MP is about the non shootan. Simple as

>>9766202
>let's make HUGE ass levels that are completely empty
Bungie had been doing this since Marathon 2 so thats hardly anything new.

The PC gamers shitting on Goldeneye and Halo were always lame. The cool ones enjoyed those along with PC shooters.

This is why: https://youtu.be/nGQIQljaAc0

>>9766574
>Most PC players didn't give a shit about Halo

You've never heard about Halo Custom Edition or halomaps.org have you? Once Halo hit the PC in 2003 PC gamers did what they do best and took the game and ran with it. Where have you been all these years if you seriously think it never caught on?

http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?pg=3&fid=1491

When Game Spy shut down Bungie even released an unofficial patch to the PC version of Halo CE (even though 343 already owned the rights at that time) just so people could keep playing it online on custom servers.

>>9767526
Exactly!

>>9767238
He says, on the old man children's toy board

>>9767526
literally everyone i knew who had pcs still enjoyed those games, i don't know where all these friendless pc fags came from but it definitely want the norm among people i knew

>>9765548
It does what the normies, and dorks on the internet, love; stuff the fucker with lore until it becomes a believable world.

>>9767569
>too retarded to understand
Many such cases.

>>9766935
>just another FPS
>recognize it for what it is

If you truly "recognize it for what it is" then you would have to view Halo from the perspective of when it released back in 2001, zoomer.

Fact of the matter is that Halo completely mogs Half Life Blue Shift, Unreal, Serious Sam and all the other FPS games released in or before 2001. Halo's multiplayer, visuals, soundtrack, and story telling were absolutely revolutionary for the time.

Halo fans don't like Halo because "it was the first FPS they could get into" they like it because they remember just how revolutionary it was when it released in 2001. Halo was the first FPS that took real skill to play instead of just following the played out "get BFG or (insert BFG equivalent) and sweep whole rooms until you win" format. In Halo's multiplayer even the best weapon like the rocket launcher wont do you any good if you dont know how to use it. Even the most useless weapons like the plasma pistol could be better than the rocket launcher if used right and a pro who is good at throwing plasma grenades needs no other weapon. And someone who knew how to abuse the motion detector and get silent melee kills in the multiplayer was a unique threat all on their own. That is what made Halo special.

Whats with this guy whining about PC gamers hating halo? Did a youtuber just say that or something? He's talking complete nonsense.

>>9767590
>No argument
Time is a flat circle

>>9767373
wow a whole 2 years
Still on PC faggot.
Still played better on PC

>>9767608
No, clocks are a flat circle.

>>9767614
>two years
It was barely a year and a couple months

>>9767608
>too stupid to realize this is a "no u" post
Sad but par for the course.

>>9766563
Fun fact: Everyone and their mom knows Halo was supposed to computer machines

Fun fact: No, it was PC and Mac originally

Fun fact: "Fun facts" is gay shit spouted by tards who think an easily goggle-able fact is hidden knowledge.

>>9767630
>unironically thinks playing the apathetic middle schooler card is cool
Some people never matured mentally beyond their early teens and it shows.

>>9765548
Halo was noticeable for its presentation and streamlined gameplay. The amount of polish made 90s FPS games look old.

>>9767635
>this time doing it literally
I don't even know what you're going for but I'll accept that concession.

>>9766803
>But Halo was on PC before it even was on Xbox??
>>9766217 is right.

This shithole board is nothing but real retards and larping retards. Literally /v/ at this point.

>>9767640
>No argument.
Many such cases.

>>9767320
>Was supposed to release in 2000 for Mac only.
Boy are you retarded.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110807074453/http://pc.ign.com/articles/068/068975p1.html
>Unfortunately, though we do know that the game will get a simultaneous PC/Mac release sometime in the middle of next year,

Bungie already had PC games with Marathon 2 and Myth. Sales from those games plus Apple being in the shitter meant they were never going mac exclusive.
>>9767290
That anons a dumb zoomer who thinks a macworld announcement from Steve "I Hate Video Games" Jobs means it was exclusive.

Shit game. No effort in construction.

>>9767569
>children's toy board
4chan actually has a childrens toy board anon, and this isnt it.

>>9767628
Why do you think that is, Anon?

>>9767698
Video games are just another type of toy

>>9767614
pc had missing bump-mapping and tons of other missing graphical features. only reason it was good was for online MP and new weapons in MP.
you're a larping newfag getting caught being one.

>>9767880
why the fuck wouldn't you play on mouse and keyboard instead. Using a gamepad to play an fps on a PC is truly the sign of a true faggot

>>9768108
???
What is this nonsense? Who are you even talking to?

>>9768327
i think he read bump mapping as button mapping and his autism riddled brain sperged.

i play pc fps with a controller though

>>9768334
That makes sense, good deduction skills anon. Nothing wrong with using a controller to play fps on pc, especially if it’s a console port. The entire point of PC is being able to tailor the experience to exactly how you want it.

>>9766514
The only good post in this thread

>>9766867
We should be friends

>>9765548
by who OP? Halo has one of the worst campaigns ever created in a video game. Absolute recycled fucking trash. literal 2/10 campaign.

>>9767603
i was there and it wasn't shit. So many greater FPS games out there, its not fucking special, its a hyped game by and for casual plebs...Call of Duty tier shit.

>>9768582
>by who OP? Halo has one of the worst campaigns ever created in a video game. >Absolute recycled fucking trash. literal 2/10 campaign.

Literally the freshest shooter released in 2001, so fresh it propelled a brand new console to second place and created a billion dollar franchise. It is truly the Star Wars of video games.

You absolute dung covered peasant, name me one single fps that had a campaign that put you in the middle of a sci fi blockbuster as deftly as Halo. It’s campaign is absolutely legendary. It is literally the gold standard for narrative in an FPS.
You were another 400 pound, keyboard pounding sperg angry that somebody tried something new with the genre. I bet you unironically think Quake or Unreal had more engaging campaigns just to be a contrarian lol.

>>9768582
>Call of Duty tier shit.
CoD 1 was great, released on PC at the same time.

>>9765548
It must have been the multiplayer because that campaign is boring as shit.

>>9767603
>Halo was the first FPS that took real skill to play instead of just following the played out "get BFG or (insert BFG equivalent) and sweep whole rooms until you win" format
Pistol was insanely OP and everyone knows that. Friends would often ban it from use just to keep things interesting and fun. Halo 2 post-update had the Battle Rifle, which was glitched out of this world so you could quad-shot and insta-kill anyone in the game. Multiplayer devolved down to who got the BR first, won. People even made custom controllers so you could quad-shot with a single button. One of the most busted ass weapons in any game.

>>9769228
Pistol is the great equalizer. It is OP but everyone has it.
That’s why I loved AR starts with pistol as a map weapon.
Quad-shot was pretty difficult to pull off regularly. BXR and double shot were the more commonly used exploit. It’s true though, if you were ace with double/quad shot, you were going to top the leaderboard. That’s the “meta game” though.

>>9769252
>Quad-shot was pretty difficult to pull off regularly
Every match of 4v4 had at least 3 that could pull it off. Quad-shot, double-shot, BXR, all busted the absolute hell out of the BR and made Halo 2 online pure shit.
>That’s the “meta game” though.
There should never be a "meta game". That just means the devs are retarded and can't balance weapons. If one weapon is so superior to all the others that it's use it or lose, the game is shit. Halo had the pistol, Halo 2 had the RL+Sword glitch pre-update as well as host-advantage shotgun, and then the BR post-update not to mention all the ridiculous super bounces.

>>9769264
Every single multiplayer game has a metagame guy, even muh quake. Sword flying was mostly patched though.You could still do it but it’s harder. IIRC it’s completely patched out in MCC. Halo’s meta was soulful and getting consistent with any exploit was not easy. Halo 2 on Xbox live was such a great time, probably the most fun I’ve ever had playing video games over the internet.
When we were kids someone we were playing online with claimed if you launched all the heavy purple boxes onto the floating platforms on midship it would destroy the physics, so we spent an entire afternoon trying.

>>9769278
U could do cool shit like that in the Og halo, I posted a video earlier, but you couldn’t do anything like that in 2 because of the engine changes right?

>>9769278
>Every single multiplayer game has a metagame
That makes every single multiplayer game shit and nobody should accept that. If you can't balance a game, you're a shit dev. If you want to put up with unbalanced bullshit, good for you. I don't because I see it for what it is. People like you who do tolerate it are the reason why devs have no reason to balance their game.

>>9769289
You should stop playing video games. Every game has exploits, single player and multiplayer, and your post is cringe.
>>9769282
I tried looking up the glitch we tried doing back in ‘04 and it might be something called the “overload” glitch which can be done in Halo 1 and 2.

>>9769293
>You should stop playing video games
No
>Every game has exploits
Yes
>single player and multiplayer
Single player exploits are optional in use as you're the only player. They also only affect you the player. Exploits in multiplayer games that are clearly deliberate by the devs as they refuse to fix them, are not opional and affect everyone. Apples to oranges. Logic isn't your strong suite I see.
>your post is cringe
You're either a zoomer or want to be one by adopting their nigspeak. Now I know I can ignore everything you say.

>>9769307
https://www.halopedia.org/BXR_Mining_Corporation

Bungie is (was) so based they canonize exploits their fans won’t give up.
I’m also 31 and have been playing halo since Christmas 2001.
I believe they did try to patch it out but couldn’t for whatever reason. It’s a timing glitch. They were able to patch out sword flying (mostly) so it’s not like they weren’t aware or not making an effort.

>>9768521

It was popular because it was a moderately competent FPS on consoles. That's it. It's very similar to Goldeneye in that regard.

I'm 38 now and was primarily into FPS games at the time it came out. Halo was simply an accessible game you could play with friends at their house. By comparison, on PC you had Quake 1-3, Unreal Tournament, Half Life: DM, CounterStrike, TFC, and a shitload of other excellent FPS games. Each of these had extremely active multiplayer and a high skill ceiling for competitive players.

XBox had Halo. N64 had Goldeneye. No, playing a clunky FPS on a console with a controller and auto-aim isn't a fraction of the experience you got playing online on PC, but it was "close enough" to make them hugely popular.

I always considered halo as discount Unrealn for consolefags

>>9770493
Halo as 10x the production value of unreal and your opinion makes you a bigger normalfaggot than the consolefags you’re insulting.

it was a great launch title. fun coop with a friend on the hard difficulty and you could play with other people online like a week after release if you networked it with your pc

Worst case scenario you end up like 343 where you have Bungie's amazing engine but then the lead technical devs fuck off and suddenly you're up shit creek with noone in your team capable of understanding the engine and even if you spent big bucks hiring new professionals it'd take months for them to get to grips with the whole thing and didn't have to "reverse engineer it using Bungies old GDC presentations, because we werent given the documentation, just the code

Losing your lead dev means losing all his tribal knowledge on how the engine actually works

Did 343 ever have a chance?

>>9766140
What were these mythical PC-only FPS games released pre-Halo?
Sin? Project IGI? Counter-Strike?
Plenty of the best shooters on PC got console releases like Descent, Unreal Tournament and Duke 3D. Half-Life had its PS2 port released a day before Halo CE.

>>9767712
>morphine

>>9771147
they purposely destroyed it, part of a mass demoralization effort.
halo was the culmination of a group of really inspired and talented dudes, bungie.
343 is a bloated task force horde who's only mission is to destroy.

>>9765548
Cause it was actually a really fun game.

>>9766574
PC player here. We used to have discussions in high school about how impressive the AI is in the game. We all played it on a computer too.

>>9765548
Looks good to me

Beautiful design
Beautiful graphics
Weapon balance is kino
Bungee in their prime

What's not to love?

>>9771349
2 weapon slots
stupid lore
shields
sci-fi setting is just cope for abstract arena's without going full 'it's all a tournament'.

Generation Z replaced all the older posters here and because of nostalgia they call it a masterpiece while decrying "modern" games like halo shitfinite for being bad to look smart (it IS a bad game just not why they think). Ironically halo was considered babbys first FPS for it's time.

>>9771576
halo 5 is bad because its a sequel that didn't need to exist, and only existed because console companies need to bring out new models every 'generation'

>>9765553
>>9765568
>>9765661
>>9766082
PC player from back then
This is all true

All the PC guys were seething about how fratdudes were now claiming that Halo on xbox was the best FPS of all time.
I would know, because I hated Halo at the time too. Casuals didn't even know about Half Life and using a controller for FPS games was a mocked concept. The game was more casual and there was the change from a whole inventory of weapons to just two you could hold.
It's easy to see why Quake/Halflife/Doom/Unreal/etc players would dislike it.

I've since changed my ways and finally accepted that Halo is in fact a really good game that deserves love and I've played it many times with friends.

>>9771602
realest nigga in the thread

>>9765548
Ah yes, the daily zoomer cope thread.
Sorry you had to grow up with absolute garbage.

>>9771602
I was a consolefag who played a lot of 90s FPS prior to Halo. I never hated it, but it always felt "off" to me because in my book XBOX was the Madden-gamer console, even though I eventually got one within a year or two after release.

>>9771634
>zoomers are 30+ years old
Halo came out, are you ready for this...
22 years ago. Twenty two years ago. Most people playing Halo for the first time when it came out were most likely between 10-20 years old, meaning your youngest Halo:CE fans are about thirty years old.
FPS games as we know them now existed for....are you ready for this...roughly ten years before Halo came out. You, in your infinite wisdom, thought that once we got to Quake 3 and Half-Life, that no other FPS should try anything new. Everything needed to be a remix of those games.
do go on though. tell me how amazing quake and unreal are and how halo should have been just been exactly them 1:1

>>9771250
meds

>>9766217
>muh shields
>muh slow
>muh GENERIC (lol)
>muh two weapons
>muh “casualization”
All true.

>>9765548
It wasn't.
This was a time when several games were available for PC which were better and known to be better.
Even the lore only got gud around the sequel.
Mostly this was viewed as a cash grab by Microsoft to sell consoles.
A few games later on, yeah, the lore got better and more fans got into it. So we're looking back upon the original with rose tints.

Bungie's Halo franchise is considered a masterpiece for several reasons:

Innovative Gameplay: One of the main reasons why Halo is considered a masterpiece is its innovative gameplay. The game introduced new concepts such as regenerating health, two-weapon limit, and an extensive range of vehicles. The gameplay was also highly responsive and polished, offering players a smooth and satisfying experience.

Engaging Story: The Halo franchise also boasts an engaging and immersive storyline that has captivated gamers for years. The story follows the Master Chief, a supersoldier fighting against the Covenant, an alien race bent on destroying humanity. The story is deep, complex, and filled with twists and turns that keep players engaged and invested.

Stellar Presentation: The presentation of the game is another key factor that makes it a masterpiece. The graphics, sound design, and music were all top-notch, creating a cinematic experience that pulled players into the world of Halo. The game's presentation also helped to establish the Halo universe as a rich and detailed setting.

Multiplayer: Halo's multiplayer mode was a revolutionary addition to the game. It allowed players to compete with others from around the world, and the game's matchmaking system made it easy to find opponents with similar skill levels. The multiplayer mode also introduced new gameplay modes and maps, keeping the game fresh and exciting for years.

Overall, Halo's combination of innovative gameplay, engaging story, stellar presentation, and multiplayer mode made it a masterpiece that has stood the test of time.

>>9771727

>>9765548
It's not.
Daikatana is better

>>9771835
everyone believes you and thinks this, you just epically trolled everyone

>>9766209
They are empty. Too much fucking walking when there is no vehicle. Levels like the library suck balls

>>9766217
Multiplayer with vehicles was kind of new and fun. Singleplayer is absolutely awful.
Fuck off and die nigger. What sense does it make that a flood nigger is immune to sniper rifle bullets but not pistol bullets (or any other bullet)?
What sense does it make that unloading a full magazine on an elite barely even takes out his shield?
Bullet sponges are gay and so are you.
Fuck you piece of shit rat bastard

>>9771846
>sense of scale is bad, everything needs to be a corridor like muh doom, muh quake
>two weapons is bad, everything needs a weapon wheel like muh doom muh quake
>halo is too generic, everything needs to be about shooting demons in another dimension like muh doom muh quake
>muh library
>yes dropships full of enemies keep raining down, but once i kill them the level is empty and i have to continue forward, this is bad level design unlike muh doom muh quake
>MUH LIBRARY, MUH FUCKIN' LIBRARY

>>9771857
Okay yeah but your post doesn't make the library any less of a terrible level. No one likes the library. You also failed to counter the points he was making about how the Flood are arbitrarily immune to certain damage types, like melee bashes. I actually didn't know they were resistant to sniper shots too, that fucking sucks.
Though obviously when you're dealing with the Flood the game is usually kind and sprinkles appropriate weapons to fight them. So that Anon really only has himself to blame for stubbornly holding onto the sniper rifle. He's right about the assault rifle's issue in some ways, but it sucks on shields, you're better off popping it with another weapon and THEN peppering them with the rifle.

I personally have no problems with the bigger levels or the pacing of Halo on a whole, though. I think it's a pretty good game.

Melee does pretty normal damage to Flood in Halo 3 and it makes them a fucking joke.

>>9771770
people following their own design instincts isnt the same thing as purposefully trying to destroy the former thing, no matter how threatened you feel by the changing world around you

>>9771937
Lol. Okay, let’s live in fairy tale land where this is true. They followed their instincts three times in a row, over a decade and tanked one of the most profitable brands in gaming, and completely embarrassed Microsoft with the Halo infinite reveal.
These aren’t people, this is an ugly mercenary group being paid to humiliate a once great thing so you can have a black power fist badge and progress flag background on your Halo profile.
There aren’t words for how shit awful Halo 4,5 and Infinite are.
I used to really, REALLY like Halo. This was the game of a generation, and I watched Bonnie Ross and company turn it into a flaming shit heap for ten years. Fuck you and fuck them.

>>9769228
>Pistol was insanely OP and everyone knows that.
Yes, because the pistol in halo 1 was specifically designed to be the scoped mid range weapon. Have you actually played the game?

>>9771981
yeah those games suck and microsoft is bad at managing games studios. sometimes good franchises get fucked up--perfect dark couldn't even make it past the first entry. neither a shifting culture nor bad art are a direct attack on you. take your meds anon
captcha: AMW4R

>>9772036
You really think Microsoft hired the best people for the job and this happened naturally don’t you?
I hate bluepilled turbofaggots, you are literally unable to make heads or tails of the world around you.
captcha:YWNB4W

>>9766156
you 100% missed out on 90s lan parties if "halo" in any way impressed you. it's an okay game, i played the first three quite a bit, but a lot of the appeal is because it was console babby's first fps, a lot like goldeneye. so delusional to deny that. both good games with some fresh ideas though.

>>9772236
You have posted your false narative 5 times now.

The funniest thing is that Halos MP was probably the last hurrah for FPS arena shooter before COD took over.

>>9772483
>people forget the massive popularity of SOCOM on PS2

>people in this thread unironically defending gaylo
kys faggots

>>9771602
>why Quake/Halflife/Doom/Unreal/etc players would dislike it
only the quake players seethed at it, they also seethed at halflife, doom, and unreal because nobody wants to play their brown dookie poo shooter.

>>9772061
no i think Microsoft is bad at managing game studios and hired a bunch of retards. corporate juggernauts dont make decisions strictly to hurt the feelings of mentally ill megavirgin manchildren with poor relationships with their fathers, you're just not that important. and some stupid optional tranny flag in a game has nothing to do with why halo is bad now.
you're not smart but you are the only person to blame for the fact that your life will continue to be miserable until the day you die

>>9772236
*failure buzzer*

had lan parties in the 90s and 2000s and we all enjoyed halo too

>>9772916
Not the person you’re talking to, but yes this isn’t some grand conspiracy. It happened w the Witcher franchise. I’m not going to bother googling the pics and posting them (someone did it yesterday w the 343 WOAHMAN post) there is a quite, clear distinction between the creators of the original franchises and who is in control of them now and no it’s not an accident. People get a hold of these properties and do tank them by hiring exactly who they want (gotta get le message out above all else). They want to tear down what came before. It’s called deconstruction except they have nothing to add so all they can do is tear down. But I’m sure the tanking of battlefront and the Star Wars franchise at large, halo (show and game) etc are total accidents and just bad . How’s Blizzard doing since it fired all its original employees or forced them out and did the same thing? That’s probably the most blatant as the employees consistently talk trash to their user base and even talk about how players in the community are problematic and need to be removed, hardly a good use of resources but when you put people in charge whose goal is to “educate” you not make fun games to play, the end result is this.

>>9772860
this

>>9772916
Nice projection you great big tranny faggot.
>corporations aren’t evil chud. they aren’t doing this on purpose they are just heckin’ mismanaged, now take your mederinos!
You’re a cheerleader for a billionaire pedophile cabal that seeks to turn you into a fat gay nigger, looks like they succeeded.

Everything is destroyed. Halo, Star Wars, Deus Ex, D&D, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings, Gears of War. You name it, the people working on it have to play ball with god’s chosen investment managers. All of this literally is part of a campaign to socially condition people and demoralize and if you can’t see this, you’re a low iq mouth breather which is exactly why you shake pom-poms for the enemy.
You have no patter recognition. You have no environmental awareness. You have NO ovaries.

>>9773171
the rich and power have been doing evil for thousands of years and your cristism of capital boils down to "jews ruined my favorite children's toys". same shit with every generation of you schizos. when d&d was new new it was an plot against christ, 30 years later the game changes slightly and "jews are destroying our culture pillars (games for children)"
lmao
if you were a serious person you would actually be doing something, like running a farm and making white babies, but youre not and you can't, so you seethe in your cave on the internet, feeling increasingly threatened by a changing world
you don't need to live like this

Go suck each other off in the closet queers

>>9773237
I didn’t say anything about jews you disgusting antisemite.
I said there are evil people in high positions poisoning the well and destroying the culture to assert control and the first thing that enters your mind are jews? You need some counseling, sweaty. I give you negative canards and the first thing that enters your mind is jews…my god you are literally HITLER.

>>9773251
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

>>9773281
Meds

>>9773281
>I say evil capitalists are destroying popular culture to serve their malicious goals
>this fucking anti-semite immediately thinks I must mean “jews”
>calls me an anti-semite

Lots to think about here folks, pay attention.

>>9773285
>god’s chosen investment managers
very cute, to grow some balls and stand by what you believe in

>>9773304
???
Can you explain to me the significance of this?

>>9773309
of you not having balls? it's pretty obvious anon

>>9773329
Typical anti-semite tactic to avoid direct questioning. Just like you’re projected quote, you aren’t using your words responsibly and acting in bad faith. Wow, I didn’t think I’d be replying to shitposts by Adolf Hitler today.
Take your fucking anti-semitism off my retro video games board and let’s recognize the true enemy we both recognize, the ones you say have been harming us for “thousands of years” ….
Evil capitalists with subversive goals.

I swear we get this thread more often than the "why did the Saturn fail/suck" one, and every time it just devolves into endless shitposting.

>>9773428
There's barely any good threads these days, every day it's the same tired threads that could easily have been never there if some fucking word filters were there

>>9773428
>>9773437
Putting aside the typical /v/ bait that's been plagueing this board of late, we've sorta hit a wall on topic variety after all these years. There's a finite amount of retro we can talk about on /vr/ and we've long since weeded out the topics people don't care to talk about. No one wants to talk about 3DO (probably because very few people own or play that shit regularly) but as this thread has proven everyone is more than willing to talk a storm over Halo, Xbox, and first person shooters in general.

>>9773343
you have no balls, you have no kids, and you have no future. you will live and die in the hell that you create for yourself. have a great day anon

>>9773519
lol i have two kids and big balls you antisemite fuckface. are you implying humans without balls are lesser folx? you are seriously fucked in the head.

>>9773171
>All of this literally is part of a campaign to socially condition people and demoralize

What do they seek to gain through this?

>>9773552
Population replacement, even duller golems to command.
In order to subvert and control a nation, you must divide and conquer it. You must replace religion with worship of material and celebrity.
The end goal is an amorphous race of rootless individuals that can be the most effectively manipulated into doing your bidding.

>>9768582
>Absolute recycled fucking trash. literal 2/10 campaign

anyone who uses "recycled hallways durr" as a complaint can just gtfo. literally the only campaign map that 100% reuses all the geometry is AoTCR/Two Betrayals (which makes sense since it was easily the biggest level and had story reasons for you returning). every other "reused" map (T&R/Keyes, PoA/The Maw) both had reasons for you going back there AND had entirely new geometry attached to it (grav lift in keyes/engine room and warthog run in The Maw)

>>9773606
Why do they want to subvert and control? To do what bidding?

>>9771147
I'm guessing this is why theyre switching to unreal for Infinite in the future? It always struck me as strange that blam! was stuck on 16 players for so long when games like planetside have existed since like 2005. Technically speaking it's always kind of fascinated me as an engine.

>>9773638
You’re right, they are removing people’s identity out of the goodness of their hearts.

>>9771840
I GENUINELY THINK THIS
The singleplayer is way more unique and has a much more memorable soundtrack.
The songs are also memorable not just because the same 3 songs are spammed endlessly like in Halo but rather because they're actually good songs.
I prefer the weapons too. I like the Daikatana rocket launcher more than Halo's rocket launcher both in singleplayer and multiplayer for example.

>>9771857
If you want FUCKHUGE area, you better make movement speed fast enough to compensate

If you want two weapons, make the weapons actually good.

If you want to shoot aliens, don't have annoying ass shield spam. The shield midgets and covenenant elite shields are unfun to fight with bullets, forcing you to use annoying ass plasma pistol that overheats faster than an RTX 4090 in a miniPC form factor.

I made no mention of dropships. Take your meds schizo.

Yes, the library sucks and so does backtracking. You do way more backtracking in Halo.

Also for the record I prefer as stated previously, Daikatana and Half-Life over Halo. Quake 1 is boring as hell. Quake 2 is better. (Not a troll, my genuine opinion)

>>9773661
Seriously, what are they after? Or is that your belief, that they act out of sheer wickedness?

>>9771919
I held onto sniper rifle because it was at the point when it was mixing flood and covenant enemies (maybe my memory is off idk).
I wanted the sniper to deal with elites more easily.
Also understand that my mind is tuned to being a bit logical.
Pistol fires bullets. Sniper fires bullets too. So why pistol does damage but not sniper? I fired 24 sniper bullets into a single flood guy who was just standing still.
If I fired 24 pistol bullets into the same guy it PROBABLY would've killed him.

>>9773697
If you're fighting both Flood and Covenant, that's understandable. Though after making my post earlier I've thought about it, it DOES make sense the sniper rifle would do less damage to the Flood. It's all dead tissue so a super high velocity piercing round isn't going to do much, but Halo's pistol fires explosive bullets. So it checks out. Same thing with melee attacks doing less damage.

It makes sense, but it's still aggravating

>>9765553
Yeah I was pretty annoyed when a game I was interested in became a console exclusive.

>>9767525
at least they were handcrafted instead of feeling like bethesda dungeons

>>9766132
Sword launching, super jumping, 1-hit melee kills. Bros, I want to go back so bad.

>>9765703
yep. I hate all pc games after 2003 and playing blood gulch on halo trial multiplayer was one of my fondest memories.

Have you guys noticed something?

>Grand Theft Auto III
>Halo: Combat Evolved
>Devil May Cry

all three where released in 2001 AFTER 9/11, all three of them revolutionized gaming in their own genres, but some thing else all three of them did was they were much more dark and grim compared to games made before them.

These games pretty much started the "DARK AND MATUREZ" era of gaming, which started getting popular in the 6th and got really bad by the 7th and unfortunately still affects games to this day.

Is it possible that 9/11 and these 3 games changed the overall atmosphere and style of games and gaming culture?

>>9774187
>they were much more dark and grim compared to games made before them.
nani the shit

>>9774202
before these three games even the dark and serious games had some old school cheesiness and carefree feel to them, like Deus Ex. then these games came out which made way for the whole 7th gen mess of all M rated dark and serious ultrarealistic cinematic games.

in other words, the slow decline of "childish games" in favor of "LE DARK AND MATUREZ GAMES FOR MATURE GAMERZ"

>>9774187
Yes. CIA had people go to game developers and say we need you to make games that make people care less. Pentagon had people go to developers and say we need you to make games patriotic.

>>9766217
play ut99
play q3a
then play gaylo

it's like going from 200+apm broodwar to dota/LoL

it's like going from ghosts and goblins to peggle

it's like going from f-zero GX to mario kart on kids mode with smart-steering.

it's like going from hoi3 to clash of clans.

there is no defending the weaker mechanics, limited arsenal, slow slow slow gameplay, moonjumping, etc.

>>9774297
>halo needed to be exactly like quake and unreal
I’ll beat your fucking face in, I’m so fucking tired of hearing this horrible shitty take I hate you nearing-40 faggots so fucking much
Yup, dumb to try anything new or compete, gotta be EXACTLY like quake or my retarded dinosaur peanut brain will short circuit.
I could fuck you up in quake 3 or halo any day of the weak you fat tasteless sperg.

>>9774412
i would win 40 to -2 on any map you pick in q3a, but that isn't the point
i am not saying every game has to be the same. i am saying halo is a downgrade in every single way. the only argument is "vehicles" but tribes 2 / ut2k4 even did that better.

>>9774431
>I’m not saying every game has to be quake 3, I’m saying halo is a downgrade for not being exactly like quake 3.
Spoken like a fucking woman. I’ll punch you right in the glasses for being such a fucking an annoying faggot, Melvin.
You are such a fat crusty liar for claiming tribes 2/ut4 did vehicles better than fucking HALO LOL. Halo has the most seamless vehicle transition in FPS history, it’s the gold standard.
You are so fucking full of shit you 40 year old scumbag.

>>9765548
I’ve been playing it on a gpd win1 and it holds up quite well. I only ever played the demo as a kid and some multiplayer in halo 2 at a friend’s house. I like it as a 1p game. the landscapes are familiar but feel almost dreamlike, the aliens are hilarious and the driving is fun. It’s not Deus ex or half life, but like a mix of doom and half life if I was going to compare it to anything.

>>9766074
No need to cope. Halo was the perfect shitstorm that console players needed in order for developers to finally know how to cater to console players when it came to FPS games. Other than that, it's a great game for mindless fun.

>>9774461
Nobody who still cares about Halo: CE in 2023 is in it for "mindless fun". There are games which have optimised that field of entertainment far beyond Halo in the 20 years since. I know younger guys who are fascinated with this game because it's cool western science fiction.

>>9765557
I too like to join threads about $THING to repeat that i don't like $THING.
I feel it's a good use of my time.

For a second I thought I was on /v/ from all the trolling and shitposting. The fanbase being this way is a meta reason why I dislike Halo, but worth menstioning all the same.
I personally didn't care for it, the level design is just plain awful and enemies having shields is boring and annoying. Plus the MC moves like he's stuck in treacle.