/vr/ - Retro Games

for me it's blood deathwish, don't @me

>>9270379
>YOU KNOW THAT CALEB! I'M COMING TO KILL YOU! IN THE MOUNTAINS, AT YOUR FARM!

>>9270358

>>9270358

>>9270358
Est de sai, pret si ma, vilomox...

>>9270379
Lost Highway filters me damn near every time, and if it doesn't, Spooky World does. I've been through the entire mod a couple times, but those two levels just aren't fun to play.

>>9272903
Spooky World can be a problem, you need to prioritize where you go first to get the right equipment asap

>>9270379
I can't think of a single level I don't enjoy replaying, although the space level trips me up.

>>9272925
it's just too damn long. Like one or two segments too long. I don't know what I'd cut but it's a fuckin slog as is.

how the fuck do you play this game

>>9273128
with joy.

>>9273128
Get BuildGDX and figure out which directories to put the game files in. Bam, now you're playing Blood, or Duke3D, or RR or the boomershooter of your choice.

shaaaaaaark

>>9270379
>@ing on 4ch

>>9271653

>>9273387
Lightly Broiled? GET THE FUCK OUT

>>9273434
MIRALAX AND FEAR MOOT

>>9273454
kek

>>9273241
FUCK YOU
Now you will tell me how the fuck is a mod like deathwish better than Dusk

>>9273462
>spoiler
That's not saying too much since Dusk isn't even better than Quake, especially with what it comes with now.

>>9271653
>simpson_scream.wav

>>9270358
>vorox esco maranax
Pallex.

>>9270379
I'm halfway through and I'm not that impressed desu. The setpieces and level design is great, but the encounters are lackluster. Nothing that elevates Blood's combat mechanics that much so far. Does it get better?

>>9274995
It depends on what you're looking for. There are less hitscanners than the original maps so there isn't as much peeking around corners or preemptively bombing rooms, but you're expected to be better with TNT to deal with everything else. The Fleshed Out mod floods the screen with enemies if you want something more slaughter-like.

>>9274995
>…but the encounters are lackluster. >Nothing that elevates Blood's combat mechanics that much so far. Does it get better?
Not really, there will be more use of the blue and green cultists but no Build game will ever match the combat and encounter design possible in Doom and Quake.
Similarly, the type of levels in Build games and how you progress through them isn’t present in Doom or Quake. As the other anon said, it depends on what you’re looking for; also depends on what you got out of Blood itself, and what you were hoping DW would solve.

>>9275323
>no Build game will ever match the combat and encounter design possible in Doom and Quake.

lol

>>9275338
Serious Sam for pure combat focus, Build games for level design and progression emphasis, IdSoft games are somewhere in-between. Build games can still be challenging, they just aren’t as interesting as the others with their enemy rosters.

>>9273491
arcane dimensions on nightmare 666 is some of the best gaming you can do, period

>>9275338
dudes entire post is greentext desu

>>9274995
the end-of-episode slaughtermaps get pretty wild, but yeah death wish is conceptual above all

>>9275269
>Fleshed Out
starts out really fuckin strong with a bone-chilling expression of the Cabal's evil, kinda peters out into just-kill-everything after a while

>>9275393
Tears of the False God is especially spoiling. Overall, I think I preferred Alkaline’s encounters more.

>>9275427
I’d say “after awhile” is being generous with all the napalm thrown your way in the second level.

>>9275445
>literally every creature drops an edible heart
feels bad

>>9275434
I'm still going through this jank-ass probably-slavic bundle i torrented, don't have alkaline

>>9275501
You can download it from Quaddicted.

>>9275323
>>9275269
I liked Blood a lot but after a while a lot of the encounters got both easy and boring except when hitscanners (or cultists in general) were involved. Since everyone was hyping DW to be the second coming of Christ I was hoping to see some more difficult non-cultist encounters and some fun enemy mixes. Blood enemies are no match for Caleb under normal circumstances and they need to be strategically placed in the maps and with other enemies to support them to be exciting. DW instead goes "here a thousand zombies in an open place", which you can deal with two bundles of dynamite.
I will still finish it since I like the map design and the setpieces, but at least now I won't expect too much in the encounter department.
>The Fleshed Out mod floods the screen with enemies if you want something more slaughter-like
Interesting. Any more mods like this?

>>9275545
If you don't like big zombie groups you aren't going to like Fleshed Out.

>>9275545
>Since everyone was hyping DW to be the second coming of Christ I was hoping to see some more difficult non-cultist encounters and some fun enemy mixes.
Sounds like the standard “overhype” that results from people who thoroughly enjoyed the original product. Now you know better at least.
>Interesting.
I don’t think you’d enjoy it, as it will literally be “here’s a thousand zombies in an open place” you referenced, except instead of dynamite you’ll have napalm so it’s even easier.

>>9275545
Your jumping ability negates nearly all non-cultist attacks unless you're underwater. There's only so much that can be done thanks to the enemy designs.

>>9275596
>jumping ability
This can be mitigated with a good dose of claustrophobia and terrain obstacles, see Hospital Hell from Trauma Therapy(unequivocally one of the greatest Blood maps).

>>9275596
>>9275605
Death Wish has a few moments where you’re tossed some zombies in a very cramped area with a ceiling low enough so you can’t surf over them.

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>>9275571
>you don't like big zombie groups you aren't going to like Fleshed Out
Noted. Will try more mods after I'm finished with DW to see if I find something more to my taste.
>>9275596
You can either use smart positioning or simply mixing enemies to create a harder challenge. Zombies are basically a joke but mixed with some Phantasms and Hellhounds they can create a fun encounter. Maybe make some traps to make movement harder or some explosives so that you can't use dynamite up close. A lot can be done but it's definitely harder than something like DOOM where you can basically throw a couple of Revenants, Pinkies and an Archive in a room and make a somewhat engaging encouter.

>>9275626
Phantasms are one of the most annoying enemies ever, mostly from the voice. I don't think anything's worse than those exploding slimes from Quake though.

>>9275614
Noted, but come on, rave about Hospital Hell with me, it's SO GOOD. A triumph of design. Sadistic, spooky, difficult, expertly crafted from start to finish. Literally everything Blood is supposed to be.

>>9275632
Spawns are more dangerous, but easier to kill than Blood's rats honestly.

>>9275649
Even the cultists are holed up in the bathrooms because THEY'RE too scared to walk around the place.

>>9275649
I think there are more creative ideas later in the mod, but that one is pretty good even though it recycled some ideas from the original game hospital like the hands in the morgue. It's nice to see some new textures/sprites. Does that mean Trauma Therapy doesn't work in Fresh Supply?

>>9275682
>Does that mean Trauma Therapy doesn't work in Fresh Supply?
I don’t even think 500 ml of /vr/ works with Fresh Supply. Join the GDX/Not Blood gang.

>>9275682
>it recycled some ideas from the original game hospital like the hands in the morgue
i mean, they had to have a morgue, and you might as well put choking hands in there, ghouls would be trite. That's just a room you have to navigate anyway. I'll concede that it's not actually as god-tier as most of the rest of the level.

>>9275781
What is that area with a giant water tub in the basement supposed to be? It felt like a random slice of The Siege, right down to the bomb siren sound.

>>9275768
What about Raze? I tried to 500 ml of /vr/ with it but I came across a weird rendering problem for some reason.

>>9273128
your best weapon is the crouch button

>>9275863
wastewater drainpipe shits, right next to the boiler room and that's why there's steam and whatnot. I'm guessing. also fuck that room fuck it fuck it i love to hate it.

>>9275886
Raze just uses NBlood so it's fine too. Not Blood is a fork of NBlood.

>>9275941
that webm is cruel; I admire its purity.

>>9274995
I think Death Wish used to play better in previous versions. You had to know what you were doing in order to survive levels pitchfork start, like in the original game. Then the mod got more lenient update after update. My guess is he started to watch streams/videos of people who don't know how to fucking play and thought his mod was too hard.

>>9276974
I have significant ammo issues even playing episodes and I'm really bad about corner-peeking shotgun play sometimes. I'm down with it, I do pretty good when I refine and amplify my violence, but the resource management is totally a thing.

>>9276974
The original game's difficulty stems from unfair hitscanner placement that requires foreknowledge of the layout. Not something to aspire to.

>>9277475
It’s manageable a first time through on LB and below, but the first episode is particularly keen on fucking you with the cultist placements if you try it on the harder difficulties: So many are placed aiming at doors and entrances, and Well Done gives them close to perfect accuracy, it also pumps up their spawns and health.
It’s less evil in later episodes, and level authors have been taking note to place more cultists facing the opposite direction of where the player could encounter them. This means they have to turn and fully face Caleb before shooting, giving the player time to react without a decent chance of getting immediately shot at.

GERO SHAY CRROOOUUU

CRUO STRAGARANA MALAXOS

>>9277562
>It’s manageable a first time through on LB and below
oh HELL naw
>the first episode is particularly keen on fucking you with the cultist placements
It makes sense plot-wise; the Cabal is on high alert because, well, Caleb.

>>9277475
There is very little that is "unfair" in Blood. The issue is the player doesn't know all the tricks to take care of Cultists, like how all it takes for them to stop shooting at you for 2 seconds while they'll reposition themselves is a SINGLE bullet coming their way, you don't have that in Doom and Blood, a hitscanner doesn't get stunned that easily in those games.

The problem is that the devs expected the players to get good at a faster rate than most do. And that's precisely why the game is so good.

>>9279620
>you don't have that in Doom
all you have to do in Doom is move somewhat erratically and most hitscanners can't do shit until they reposition.

>>9277475
>requires foreknowledge of the layout
Use the chasecam. I don't know if it was intended but it just eliminates trial and error, which is nice.
>>9279620
>a SINGLE bullet coming their way
They need to get hit tho, I tried just shooting in their direction and it doesn't work unless you hit them. This makes the Tommygun's alt fire very useful. But yeah, a lot of people don't seem to know this and get frustrated as a result.

>>9279612
>oh HELL naw
That’s your response to Lightly Broiled and below, so the easiest difficulties? You’re overplaying the difficulty way too hard here.

>>9279821
I play Well Done almost exclusively, Extra Crispy if I'm feeling particularly masochistic. If Civvie can do it, so can I.
(civvie is a measurably better gamer than me)

>>9279934
>Well Done and Extra Crispy: Increased enemy count, health, accuracy, and damage
Goes both ways, too, as seen here with a Still Kicking cultist. The game’s as hard or as easy as you want it to be, although it can’t get easier than this.
>>9279634
Chaingunners can also get hitstunned to death real easy with their own weapon, and it mows through the other zombies.

>>9279951
>Still Kicking

I miss the 90's and games not being afraid to mock their players for using low difficulty or cheats. Now these days, instead of literally calling the players babies, they call cheats "features" not to offend the babies. Unironically the only instance of a modern game mocking its player I've seen is Ion Fury.

>>9279961
>Ion Fury
great writing for what it is

>>9279961
Blood got creative with it as well: Without “Still Kicking”, you wouldn’t have easily come to the conclusion that the other settings are referring to cooking something alive.

>>9279961
My favorite is mocking the player for trying to leave or quit. Quake 1's were probably my favorite

>Um, Asmodeus dislikes his children trying to quit. Press Y to return to your tinkertoys.
>Milord, methinks that thou art a lowly quitter. Is this true?
>If I was your boss, I'd deathmatch 'ya in a second!
We need this shit to come back. Even if they're not mocking the player, it adds a lot of character / charm to the game.

>>9279984
>Pink on the Inside
giggity

>>9279986
Carmageddon had some good ones as well

>>9270379
@

>>9280016
( @ ͜ʖ @)

>>9279620
>There is very little that is "unfair" in Blood. The issue is the player doesn't know all the tricks to take care of Cultists

>>9280251
>Throwing yourself dead on into the middle of a corridor instead of corner picking

Your fault for playing like a retard who expect to be able to blindly run around everywhere just because that works in Doom. Build games, and in fact Doom as well, weren't designed to be played like this, gameplay was centered on taking cover around corners.

In this area if you so much as stick your nose out you will see the Cultist on the right side, which will in turn trigger the ones on the left side. Considering you have the advantage of being above them in a niche, you have the choice between throwing dynamites, or waiting for them to get closer to use the shotgun, both types of weapons provided to you just before that.

Your video is the equivalent of calling Mario unfair because you ran into a goomba since because you're used to playing Sonic

>>9280251
>running directly at cultists, especially when playing on WD and above where they toss TNT bundles
That’s what I’d expect to happen.

>>9280264
>Considering you have the advantage of being above them in a niche, you have the choice between throwing dynamites, or waiting for them to get closer to use the shotgun, both types of weapons provided to you just before that.
Then explain this.

>>9280426
>all the bosses:”wait, why guard Caleb with nothing but some shitty zombies and stoner cultists? Shouldn’t we just wait here?”
And so they did, oh my.

>>9280426
Canon; eventually Tchernobog got bored and fucked off to the next stage of his plan.

>>9279590
based

>>9280697
Thanks fren

>>9279934

>This anon only plays Blood because his daddy Civvie did

>>9281446
This is actually true, and I am a better person than I was for it.

>>9280426
what port is this?

>>9281493
Fresh Supply. I considered turning down the difficulty so I can get to the next part of the map, but my gamer pride won't allow it.

>>9281537
thanks. the ambient occlusion looked familiar. i like how it looks.

>>9281556
>i like how it looks
agreed, pitchfork looks real bloody and rusty. maybe chugs a little bit? but this footage got the black metal treatment sometime between then and now so idk

>>9279590
>uhhuhhuhuh.... hey beavis
>heheheh... yeah? heheheh
>.... Brainnns... uhuhuhh
>Hehheheheh! Heheheh... MARANAX! Hehehe... PALLAX!

I LIVE AGAIN

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>>9281797
are you calling me zoomer?

>>9281843
I was gonna post a floss gif at first, you do the math

>>9281850
well thanks i guess.
>I FEEL YOUNG AGAIN

https://youtu.be/AvjXhpnTyiU

kek

>>9282614
it even says Duke in the background

>>9273454
>shitty YouTube e-celeb
Go back

>>9282614
>wait so it's all blood cultists?
>always have been

>>9279934
Civvie is an unfunny faggot

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>>9282614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCQY6nHsbI

>>9283272
"*I* get it..."
-CV-11

confession time: i always play on lightly broiled.
it's simply more fun and fair, sorry.

>>9279961
>Unironically the only instance of a modern game mocking its player I've seen is Ion Fury.
The first of the Nu Wolfenstiens did too, it's arguably the reason said babies started whining