/vr/ - Retro Games

what age did you first use 98 or if ever?

https://youtu.be/NteoTonrnP8

>>9156810
1998

what age did you use Windows 98 or did you never?

>paint shop pro 7
Based.

>>9156827
Which video is that?

>>9156835
>3DFX machine
Based af.

>>9156842
the newest one, it's literally just zoomers

https://youtu.be/NteoTonrnP8

>>9156842
Luv me 3DFX
Luv me Voodoo 2 SLI
Simple as

>>9156847
Beautiful.

>>9156846
That's hilarious.

There's really not much of a point in running Windows 98 unless you're in need of specialized hardware like certain midi audio configurations or basically anything that connects via LPT that don't work on XP
DOS can still be useful since Dosbox doesn't play perfectly with every game

>>9156858
I have a relatively high end thinkpad I run windows 98ubcd on, but I don't really play pc games any more.

>>9156858
Windows 98SE is by far the most compatible OS for retro PC gaming.

>>9156858
It's the best for a all in one DOS and pre-mid 2000's Win32/16 games machine.

>>9156807

>>9156858
>DOS can still be useful since Dosbox doesn't play perfectly with every game
Examples? I thought modern builds are 100%, better compatibility than any real hardware ever was.

>>9156827
>what age did you use Windows 98

I was still using Win 98 when Vanilla WoW dropped. I’d get single digit FPS sometimes in major cities and raids.

>>9156871
every windows update breaks some form of compatibility, the meme of pc having 40 years of backwards compatibility is bullshit. Things always break, that's just how it is with constantly changing software and hardware platforms windows 98 is the apex of 90s pc games, early 2000s pc games while still holding onto dos support, not great for all dos games but most 90s ones should be just fine. I got an IBM T42 like 14 years ago just so I could play Blood, only other option was DOSBOX which sucked cock for Blood and the game had a noticeable input lag for mouse input at the time and would often just eat your mouse gestures. I also used it for garage bad dream adventure when it was recovered by /vr/ which i contributed $40 to

>>9156902
Pre expansion WoW was quite light, I remember playing it in a GeForce 2 machine

>>9156909
The question was literally about DOSBox.

Also you can build a machine with very good compatibility using multiple graphics cards and sound cards with proper DOS and 98SE installations in it.

>>9156919
I got a T42 man this thing can take a bullet and still work

>>9156909
>early 2000s pc games while still holding onto dos support
Lol, nobody made DOS games in the early 2000s anymore, wtf zoomers

>>9156909
Properly configured DOSBox won't have any problems. Maybe you're DOSBox experience is from 14 years ago too.

>>9156934
>Maybe you're DOSBox experience is from 14 years ago too.
Yeah the post says that much, but now I don't need that with my t42 cuz configuration is for suckers

I am using Win2k solely because I wanna be capable of opening modern websites on my retro machine even if I have to sacrifice some DOS compatibility. Also I couldn't find some drivers

>>9157039
Nice. Specs?
If it's new enough, just use normal DOSBox and VDMSound.

>>9157045
it's a Pentium 4 @ 2.8MHz
Graphics: nVidia 6600
RAM: 3.00 GB
Hard Drive: 160GB IDE
CD/DVD-rom reader and burner
OS: Win2k and Win7 Ultimate

Was undecided whether to use DOSbox or just install Win98 on a virtual machine

For me, it's PCem

I've had only minor compatibility issues with one win98 game I tried so far but the game is still fully playable

>>9156910
The family computer I used was some beige emachines box with no upgrades

>>9157052
Very nice
98 on a VM will be worse on such hardware

>>9156842
This one.

https://youtu.be/NteoTonrnP8

>>9156827
5-6

>>9156827
23

>>9157107
Anthony is trying real hard to show off with his Wikipedia knowledge

>>9156827
First time using 98 was around when I was 8, but at home I quickly switched to XP, just a couple years later. Before 98 I used 95, MS-DOS and AmigaOS.

When I switched to Linux I spent a lot of time digging through themes and shit to try to get it to look like good 'ol 98/NT. In the process I discovered the SOUL that is old Linux desktops too, so I'm gonna post a few.

A good chunk of this stuff is still usable today on a modern system. Some of it's been replaced by muh modern flat material design though (fuck plasma).

>>9157142
Fuck what Gnome has become, too.

>>9157146
Last one. There's a bunch more here: https://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/archive/1999/11/

Post some builds.

>>9157147
nice, that takes me back. I loved installing different gkrellm skins.

Not really /vr/ hardware but it was conceived to also play /vr/.

>>9157158
gkrellm is a great system monitor even today, I still use it sometimes. There's a nice theme pack on the official site iirc. That + qmmp with old winamp skins is some real comfy.

>>9157152
Looks cute, specs?

>>9157146
>Gnome

Why would anyone want to use a DE with a foot fetish logo

Warning: this one is a little messy inside.
>>9157195
At the time that photo was taken it was a Pentium 133MHz with 32MB of RAM, an S3 Virge + Voodoo 1 and a Soundblaster AWE64 Value. I replaced the CPU with a 200MHz Pentium and the graphics is now a Voodoo Rush. The Voodoo 1 is currently in a different 133MHz machine.

>>9157203
In 2022
>Why would anyone want to use a DE
Is more accurate. I swear they're all pretty shitty lately. I'm happier just using Openbox + a panel.

>>9157224
Very nice anon

>>9156827
11, in 1998

>>9157121
What did you use before?

>>9157254
Windows 95 obviously

>>9157269
Dang, only used normie OSes?

I was trying out dosbox-x for win9x, kinda slower than dosbox-pure on retroarch

I have a Celeron D Sony Vaio with a great lcd panel but I guess it won't run Win9x since Intel 965 graphics

>>9156807
Windows 98 was my first ever operating system. I have a Win98 themed button up shirt because the OS means a lot to me.

>>9157285
Try PCem

>>9156835
Still the only one for me.

>>9157183
>That + qmmp with old winamp skins is some real comfy.
yeah that's the stuff

>>9157146
>Fuck what Gnome has become, too.
Gnome used to look a lot more soulful. And before that, the old CDE/Motif look was great as well:
http://toastytech.com/guis/sol.html

>>9157059
how're you enjoying the stuttering sound and poor frame pacing?

>>9157316
Yeah, CDE/Motif is mad comfy. There's a qt5ct plugin to style qt programs similarly which is nice, if you're on Arch there's an AUR pack with it.

Also check out NSCDE. It was a bit buggy still when I tried it, but very neat.

>>9157318
Just pass thru a real graphics and sound card.

>>9157318
Not anon but I never had any such problems. Slow computer maybe?

>>9157331
It's the same kind of person who shots on RA because they don't know how to set it up properly

>>9157331
>>9157334
i have a 2600x
if im going to passthrough, why not just use qemu?

>>9157323
>Also check out NSCDE.
Nicee didn't know about it, thanks a lot anon.

>>9157318
I have no stuttering problems with it, It can play the pc version of Turok smoothly even with 3dfx voodoo banshee emulation.

>>9157345
whats your cpu and settings?

>>9157337
Qemu isn't designed for games, it has comparability problems with CPU emulation and the chipsets it supports

>>9157337
Compared to something like a 5600X, the 2600X is behind a lot

>>9157349
okay, so how do i get non-garbage performance?
>>9157351
the 2600X should be more than suffice for the task at hand

>>9157353
>the 2600X should be more than suffice for the task at hand
Even the fastest single core CPUs can only emulate a 233 MHz MMX at full speed

>>9157371
so then pretty much no one can use PCem for anything useful?

>>9157374
It's literally made for Pentium era emulation, are you the kind of person who thinks a original Voodoo graphics card was made for Pentium 3's or something?

>>9157382
no, but the only games i can think of that have issues with running on modern hardware *and* don't have any sort of fan patch (and that i actually want to play) are 1997 and beyond

pcem is fine for the odd win32 game that doesn't run on newer hardware

for anything 3d accelerated there's probably a way to run it natively

>>9157387
Good luck playing Carmageddon, original DOS version that supported Glide on a modern OS without issues
There's shitloads of games, just because you don't want to play them, does not mean "no one can use" it.

That era of PC gaming is the one most targeted by real hardware builds, no wonder the emulator targets that too

>>9157404
why would i need the DOS version over the windows one?
>just because you don't want to play them, does not mean "no one can use" it.
i literally said "the only games i can think of". i seriously don't know any.

>>9156807
k fusion , isn't that a modern emulator?

>>9157421
fusion first came out in 2004, after other emulators also named kega

>>9156827
Ages 4 to 5 in 1999 and 2000.

>>9157426
i see

>>9156807
I miss Dosshell.

>ultima VI and VII
>frontier
i'm good with just these two actually

After a whole lot of experimentation with video cards, I settled with the FX 5200/5500, with the 4 MX series being a close second.
>You can find them anywhere for cheap
>Overkill performance for Windows 98-era games, even while wrapping Glide
>Ran into no compatibility issues using driver 45.23
>Passively cooled
It just works.

>>9157578
S3 Virge, it's "THE" high spec series.

>>9157601
Definetively one of the better 2D cards, yeah.

>>9156827
I was three years old. I think I still have my copy of Lemmings around here. I know I lost my copy of Red Alert. What a shame.

>>9157142
I need to try this. It looks amazing

>>9157876
That one's mostly Enlightenment 16, I think. It's an old version but still maintained separately: https://www.enlightenment.org/e16
It was on Arch's AUR when I tried it, if you're on Arch. There's a rad as fuck theme pack for E16 too that you should be able to find around.
Here's an E16 theme gallery: https://ps.ucw.cz/e16/e16-themes-gallery/T

>>9157913
>https://ps.ucw.cz/e16/e16-themes-gallery/T
https://ps.ucw.cz/e16/e16-themes-gallery/
Oops, I fucked up the link

>retro win98 pc thread ends up partially turning into an old linux/*nix thread
not a bad thing at all, although i do wonder how bored people are getting of almost every single retrocomputing thread revolving around winblows 9x and maybe dos if people can tolerate the command prompt

>>9158003
IceWM is still great to use even today. My second favorite after Openbox.

>>9158012
as a wangblows fag since birth, it still bugs me how there isn't a single de or wm that's capable of accurately cloning the windows 9x-era classic theme on linux (and no, chicago95 doesn't count)

>>9158013
Yeah it's basically impossible to get the whole package looking just right. XFCE with the right themes and stuff can get pretty close but it's always just slightly off.

As long as GTK keeps getting GTK'd we'll never get a truly accurate and consistent classic theme anyway, because the developers hate theme creators.

>>9156924
yes they did

>>9156871
>Examples?
Screamer 2 works noticeably better on real hardware than emulated in DOSBox
especially when it gets to a point where it slows down (e.g. some big collision) and it's running on real hardware with actual 3DFX cards: rather than dropping the framerate, the game just slows down time a bit. a bit bizarre effect but at least the framerate is constantly smooth

similar experience with other 3D games for DOS

>>9158024
>yes they did
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>9158027

Got my 98 machine up and running, pentium 4, GeForce 4200 ti, vortex 2 sound card. Tons of old games just work and it's great

Play nocturne

>>9157410
Questions like that indicate that you have no idea.

>>9158024
Indie games, sure
They still make them for DOS

>>9158075
the fact that you don't give any examples indicate that there's not exactly an abundance of examples

>>9158090
Why should I even bother? When I tell you why, you're going to just post that you shitposted exactly for the reason for me to tell you
Even though I already said why you'd want to play the DOS version in the original post

>>9156827
I was 9 when I started, with some brief Win 3.11 experience before that. Windows 98SE though, used it up until 2004 because why not. Devs supported 98se for a long time as did Microsoft. Had Direct x 9.0c.

>>9156858
DOSBox is old shit, use PCEm and 86Box.

>>9158104
Depends what you want to do. Each have their pros and cons.
Just try. I use all of them.

Does anyone know of a USB to PS2 keyboard and mouse adapter? All the ones I see are for PS2 keyboard and mouse to USB, I want to go the other way

>>9158104
>Dosbox-x
>literally what a lot of PCem codebase is based on and shares code with
>"Old"

>>9158113
Early USB peripherals used to come with them since not everyone had USB yet. I had an Elecom m.a.p.p mouse that came with one. Don't know where to get those adapters new though.

>>9158096
>Why should I even bother?
to actually convince me and everyone else that PCem is relevant at the moment
>Even though I already said why you'd want to play the DOS version in the original post
i just realised that the windows version doesn't support glide, but you can play the dos version in DOSbox just fine with a wrapper. the gog version even comes with nglide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTYOUPAAf4
what games *actually* require PCem to play normally on modern hardware?

>>9158142
PCEM is trannyware, don't use it

>>9157152
>>9157164
>>9157168
>>9157173
>>9157224
Posts more hardware and less shitposts

>>9158115
DOSBox-X shit pants and died getting Glide hardware acceleration working in Elder Scrolls Redguard, PCEm just werks.
That's just one of my most recent examples.
There's way too much fucking around in DOSBox config file for my liking and none of the DOSBox forks is really "the best version" it's all splintered and spread throughout into different forks. Why? Because the senile faggots behind vanilla DOSBox are closed minded old men with brain mites.

>>9158013
What's wrong with chigago95? I know it's not exact 1:1 replica but I'm just curious about what exactly bugs you about it. I think it would be near impossible or just futile to try and hide the linux part of the os. It's just not going to happen.
Also, I did give a 30 something year old coworker of mine an old beater laptop with ubuntu and chigago95 and he called me the next day about why it boots into win 95 so I guess it does fool some people.

>>9158251
It's not a 1:1 replica
When I can use a 1:1 replica, why bother with less?

>>9158251
Probably fools idiots, just because a person is old doesn't mean they have any clue

>>9156807
what happened to /vr/ win98se machine for dosbox?

>>9156807

OOh man, I was an original Netscape Navigator user back in the day. The first PC I ever had was a Windows 98se machine from 2000, and used Mozilla Suite as my main browser for quite a few years, I switched to the FireFox beta (Pheonix?) on Windows XP. I am still using FireFox to this day.

Why is it to hard to play some 1995~2005 games on modern hardware? With dosbox and scummvm I can play a ton of titles, but things get screwy with newer ones
I never got NFS2 to work, for instance

>>9158504
depends on the game, and the system you're trying to run it on

>>9158528
I'm on Windows 10, tried running NFS2 and this https://www.myabandonware.com/game/mcdonald-s-o-resgate-dos-bichos-g37 with no success, but I couldn't get NFS2 to work anywhere (VM's, on windows 10 itself with wined3d)

>>9158582
>>9158504
NFS2 is a DOS game

>>9158724
Then why doesn't it work in dosbox?

>>9158724
You're thinking of the NFS expansions
NFS2 was Windows already

>>9158504
NFS2 has a "source-port"
https://github.com/zaps166/NFSIISE

So do NFS3 and 4

>>9158021
gtk's been a lost cause for over a decade, qt isn't much better, trinity can clone the classic theme somewhat accurately but that's because it's an ancient xorg + qt3-only fork of kde3 from the early 2000s, icewm is cute but even that's far from perfect. all of this would be less annoying if the win95 desktop wasn't over 25 years old by now. serenityos is a more accurate windows 95 bootleg than almost everything i've seen on linux and that's being written from the ground up
>>9158251
off the top of my head:
>fonts always look weird and inaccurate, even if you install tahoma and microsoft sans serif using .ttf files pulled from a wangblows iso
>start menu is almost always inaccurate (the default xfce4 launcher comes sorta close but it's missing the caption on the left, and half of the screenshots i see use the whisker menu instead)
>icon size + font size + spacing is always too fucking big and the weird rounded font label that xfce uses doesn't look right
>no color scheme customization or default win9x color schemes out of the box except for the default windows standard theme
>taskbar systray is almost never sunken in as it should be on windows, i almost always see just the clock sunken in or absolutely nothing sunken in at all. also the taskbar handles look weird
>xfwm4 doesn't support horizontal gradients on window titlebars because it sucks, so using win98/2k-style gradient color schemes is impossible without switching to marco or whatever
redmond97 seems marginally better but i'm sure that has it's own issues too. it just feels wrong to me in a way that using the classic theme on windoze never did, and it probably always will because i'm a stubborn old sperg who hates change (although to be fair, the classic theme isn't doing much better on windows itself these days)

>>9159342
Don't forget that weird gap between the window close button and the other window buttons. Honestly I gave up and just go for a bastard mongrel look that's half old linux half old windows. SE98 is still my favorite icon theme, though GNUStep and Haiku's icons aren't bad either.

I've also seen people get a pretty Win95 looking panel via FVWM and Awesome, but those seem like a pain in the ass to learn.

>>9159376
>I've also seen people get a pretty Win95 looking panel via FVWM and Awesome
s-screenshots? i don't mind old unix-y themes like cde and motif-type stuff but i want win2k goddamn it

>>9159392
I don't have any on hand but if you check a /g/ desktop thread or search fvwm or awesome on leddit's unixporn section you should be able to see one. I don't know if you'd also be able to get a Win95 styled bar with either, though. Technically you probably could with FVWM because it's themeable as fuck, you'd just have to learn how to do it.

>>9159398
>Win95 styled bar
Title bar, I mean. I just woke up. I know you can get a Win95-y panel but not sure about window title bars.

>>9159398
awesome sounds semi-promising since it seems incredibly customizable/extendable, however it would require me to learn lua scripting and i am weak

>>9159491
Yeah I'm in the same place. I rather shit that's easy to tweak, coding is only for the truly deranged.

Isn't most of this thread off topic? It's neither gaming related or related to the topic of the thread.

Should it be moved to /g/¿

>>9159526
Are you trying to be an autistic early 2010s forum backseat moderator on an imageboard in 2022? Eat a cock.

What was the best 90s Linux distro that closely rivaled Win9x/2000?

>>9157410
Like he said, Glide support. If you want that, you want DOS Carma.

>>9159526
Fine by me, will probably give the thread more Linux users

>>9158098
I started in 1999, when I was 15, mostly stopped in 2001 when I've tried XP. I had dualboot for a couple of years and stopped in 2003. And then I started using it again in 2021 on a IBM T42p.

>>9159526
if you're that anal and want something "on-topic", has anyone in here tried qemu-3dfx yet? it supposedly makes glide/d3d/ogl passthrough in win9x vms possible via qemu patching, but the developer is unhinged and you have to manually build it from source on windows
https://github.com/kjliew/qemu-3dfx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdzz5vqOL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5tbDL3DYY
>>9156827
the oldest version of wangblows i used to any significant extent as a kid was xp

>>9159562
I see a lot of nostalgia for BeOS. It looked neat.

>>9159625
Nevermind, I thought it was Linux but it's not. Still neat.

Slackware was around in the 90s and still is today. Comfy distro.

>>9159562
debian, slackware, suse, mandrake/mandriva, red hat, caldera, etc.
i wouldn't go so far as to say that any of them "closely rivaled" windows at the time though

>>9159625
Man I used to use BeOS as my main OS, good times

>>9159775
There's a distro called Haiku that's trying to continue in the spirit of BeOS. I hear it's usable but a little buggy still.
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=haiku
I use BeOS/Haiku icons all the time, they look so damn nice.

>>9159574
see >>9158142

>>9157404
>>>9157387
>Good luck playing Carmageddon, original DOS version that supported Glide on a modern OS without issues
>There's shitloads of games, just because you don't want to play them, does not mean "no one can use" it.

I don't know if i have this anymore, but I do know that there was some Ati DX experemental .exe for Carmageddon. I doubt many people even know about it. I did download a pirated version of Carmageddon for the PC, using some online P2P network service like Kaazaa, LimeWire, or something like that back in the day. That's how i pirated almost all of my games, This pirate copy of Carmageddon came with a directx .executable that allowed me to play the game at 1280x1024 with filtering and no polygon warping, on my Windows XP machine. I had it on a Windows XP machine, but I may have wiped the HDD clean. Though it's possible that i could have backed this up on a CDR. This direct X patch for Carmageddon was just like the Tomb Raider 1 D3D patch that was discovered a lot more recently. I swear, both were done by ATi (Now AMD).

>>9159824
Thanks, might be worth picking up a old laptop that's compatible for and playing around with it

>>9159843
>This direct X patch for Carmageddon was just like the Tomb Raider 1 D3D patch that was discovered a lot more recently. I swear, both were done by ATi (Now AMD).


I am just going to add that... I knew someone who would play Carmageddon on their parents win95 PC, and when I was sitting at my Windows XP machine, looking for games to download. I went and did a search for Carmageddon retail full on either Kazzaa or limewire. I don;t think it was Napster. I did find a version of the retail game with multiple peers. And downloading it, it was a retail .DOS version, but came with an extra .exe executable file that would enable the game to run in DirectX. I am not making that up. I think it had ATi 'experimental' on it and was passed around via P2P networks like the Tomb Raider Direct3D- ATI patch. The Tomb Raider patch was not well known back in the day.
https://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/tr1/fixes.html

>>9159843
>>9159875
Very nice anon, I've heard about the Tomb Raider one but it's cool to know there's a similar thing for Carma, I'll try to find it
Thanks

>>9157039
does 2k have dos patches?

>>9157142
Plasma looks fine if you bother to configure it.

>>9159892
>Very nice anon, I've heard about the Tomb Raider one but it's cool to know there's a similar thing for Carma, I'll try to find it
>Thanks

The Tomb Raider patch is easy to find now. As I posted a link to it. But back then, ATi released it the directx patch quite a few years after the game was released on DOS. ATi patch allows the game to be played native on Windows with hardware rendering. I had it on my PC back in the day. I noticed that when LGR did his review on the original Carmageddon, he did mention how hard it was to get working on anything past windows 98. All i could think to myself was that i had a version with directX rendering that he probably doesn't even know about. And i got my copy through a P2P network in 2002-2003 (something like that) and I do thing this patch was being spread around stealthily through the P2P networks. I can't find this version anywhere online anymore.

>>9160103
Nice theme. There's too much else I dislike about Plasma to use it though. I'm happiest just on Openbox at the moment.

>>9158104
Last I tried PCEm was unuseable garbage
It does just enough emulation to trick drivers into working but doesn't actually emulate the hardware like you might think. Despite this it uses up a lot of CPU horsepower for supposed "accuracy"
Stuff like DOS scrolling bugs even on cards that shouldn't have them

>>9160318
Understandable. I used Openbox for a decade. These last few years I have grown lazy, and have become pampered by having a DE do all the menial shit for me.

>>9157250
Same. We should be friends fellow 35 year old.

>>9157318
I don't often have issues like that personally, but I also run win95 instead. Which is silly, but yeh.
86box seems to run better with the latest update for whatever reason.

>>9157310
My dad still uses this to shitpost on /pol/
I used it up until 2007 when I went to college and finally stole a copy of PS for school.
Now I just use GIMP because fuckit. Does what I need it to, no hassle.

>>9159875
>The Tomb Raider patch was not well known back in the day.

I will just add that I don't think the Tomb Raider ATi patch was meant for the public. It seems like it was part of an internal project at ATi to port DOS games over to windows and running in DirectX using their Rage64 API. That port surfaced over a decade ago, and has been the base for some modern ports. I know there was one for carmageddon, because i had it on my windows XP machine, and would run the game with hardware rendering mode with a Geforce 4MX and I could run it at higher resolutions and framerates. This version I had on my desktop was downloaded from some seeders on most likely Kazzaa. My only search criteria was 'Carmageddon, retail copy, cracked' . I found a copy that was unpacked and in its installation folder. but it did come with some extra patches and one of the .exe's was the Direct3d executable, and i do think it had ATi in the filename. Back then, I had Napster, Kazaa, limewire and all the other alternatives on my PC and used them all. I would pirate games like Jedi Knight , NoLF, The Sims, Mafia, etc via Kazaa. The golden age of getting free software.

>>9160340
I switched to linux a year or so ago and have been hopping DEs the whole time. Cinnamon was my "it just werks" but they made a change recently I wasn't really happy with so I ditched it. Openbox + muh panels + a bunch of qt programs is pretty much all I need.

I liked IceWM too but I went way too hard on the retro look for a while and burnt out on it pretty hard.

>>9159875 (You)
>The Tomb Raider patch was not well known back in the day.

I will just add that I don't think the Tomb Raider ATi patch was meant for the public. It seems like it was part of an internal project at ATi to port DOS games over to windows and running in DirectX using their Rage64 API. They may have given out copies to beta testers/ hardware testers. But, it was never released to the public and is not an official patch from Core/ CD. That port leaked over a decade ago, and has been the base for some modern ports. I know there was one for carmageddon, because i had it on my windows XP machine, and would run the game with hardware rendering mode with a Geforce 4MX and I could run it at higher resolutions and framerates. This version I had on my desktop was downloaded from some seeders on most likely Kazzaa. My only search criteria was 'Carmageddon, retail copy, cracked' . I found a copy that was unpacked and in its installation folder. but it did come with some extra patches and one of the .exe's was the Direct3d executable, and i do think it had ATi in the filename. Back then, I had Napster, Kazaa, limewire and all the other alternatives on my PC and used them all. I would pirate games like Jedi Knight , NoLF, The Sims, Mafia, etc via Kazaa. The golden age of getting free software.

What if I just wanted the windows 2000 shell on windows 10 or 11? What's wrong with that?

>>9157059
I like PCem but I don't find much of an excuse to use it nowadays with dgvoodo and other repacks often available. I could use it for old retro Japanese games. I remember setting up a VM for some of them.

>>9157925
now this is based

>>9160520
>these days
PCem is pretty new, compared to shit like dgVoodoo

>>9160393
is that some crt-mattias? based

>>9160737
You bet it is. It's my favorite CRT filter.

anyone remember winamp ?

there's a web version here
https://webamp.org
i think you can load other skins from here
https://skins.webamp.org
i remember having winamp running and playing doom for ages

>>9161386
Haven't seen WinAmp in forever. Still remember my first MP3. Fifth Elements Techno Opera. Think the second was Blur's Song 2.

>>9157310
Nooooooo this takes me back. This was my go to art program back in the time.
Is there an actual reason to still use it in 2022?

>>9161386
Still use it.

Again, what happened to that /vr/ dosbox-x win98se image with 3dfx and sound card included?

>>9156827
17 maybe. first game was Outcast

>>9161534
It's easy to do yourself

>>9161503
I had to switch years ago because I started having issues with flac files. I'm sure the plugins were outdated as hell but at the time there were no updates or alternative plugins (no idea now). Aimp's been working fine though.

>>9156869
This takes me back to 1995. So based. My dad had this wallpaper on until the early 2000s.

>>9161602
Yeah, it's just in use on a XP machine, I use AIMP too as my main player in my main PC.

>>9157119
>>9157457
>>9157662
You have to go. Zoomer filth. Disgusting.

>>9161653
kek

>>9161658
Yes, this is about the vocabulary I would expect from your kind.

>>9161662
what makes you think i'm one of these posters?

>>9161602
If its for the aesthetics you can use Qmmp which supports Winamp skins

https://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/features.php

Also I spend about an hour everyday browsing this

https://archive.org/details/winampskins

>>9161386
Winamp is still being developed, there is a new beta release out.

>>9161952
It's not the same, not the same devs, not the same principles, entirely rewritten program

It used to take around 2MB playing a MP3 in the mid 00's when visible
Now it's 100x that

>>9157310
>>9161463
It look hilariously outdated

>>9161910
Audacious supports them too, it can switch between a winamp player and another UI more like foobar. Some themes are broken on it compared to qmmp, however. But it's rare.
Also, ProjectM for your milkdrop replacement
https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectm
There's a huge pack of visualizers called Cream of the Crop or something you can find for it.

>>9158724
Supports both, the windows 95 exe had hardware acceleration support but I like the software renderer better actually.

>>9161959
Yeah. Sad.
There was a version released in like... 2018 or something? It's still the only player I have that will repeat a song without a half second skip between plays.
And there is a fan-patch out there, but as far as I can tell it's unnecessary.

>>9161534
hows the performance? last time I tried it was kinda slow compared to dosbox-pure on retroarch, but that has it's own cons too.

>>9162309
Ah yes I forgot about Audacious.
Didn't know about the Milkdrop replacement, then again I never really used it on Winamp, but it's nice to have.

>>9162581
dunno how it is, it was updated recently, also i hate retroarch and that alone filters me to use pure because all seems to hate t16000m

>>9162591
Why would anyone hate Retroarch?

>>9162628
Not him, but it has no sane desktop UI. I still use it though.

>>9162816
Yeah it's mostly meant to be used with controllers
Think dedicated 240p TV hooked up to PC or console or Pi, etc

>>9162830
Which I understand, but with an educated guess I feel like most people using emulators are on desktop. At least the old farts who've been around since the earlier days of emulation. I think that's the biggest reason Retroarch still gets backlash, desktop users who are used to better UI.

>>9162879
Yep, it's different and totally fine for that
You're not forced to use it, so let people complain if they want when they themselves just misunderstand the software

>>9161662
zoomers are post 99 retard

>>9163216
96< is zoomer

>>9156807
I have wanted to complete the J-Win98SE time machine for so long to enjoy all the old screensavers and desktop accessories I had. So many roadblocks to reaching the goal. There is no one around that can help fix CRT monitors in my area. Modern power sources expect to be at the bottom of a case with its fan on its top to function as an intake, when the old ones were at the top rear with the fan on its bottom pulling air through to exhaust. No one could give me an answer about 98's disc capacity limits (is it 128 total, or can it have 2x 128s? would partitioning a larger 250GB SSD just to 120GB allow for garbage collection and trim or is that problematic for 98? How to align 98 OS to SSD? etc.).

>>9156827
I had a dedicated DOS machine upgraded from 286-12/386DX-40/486DX4-100 which served me so well. Often visited cousins to use their Pentium-75 which was DOS into Win95v1. Skipped 98 and went straight to Windows 2000 with an Athlon XP 2400+. A friend's boomer family member swore by Win98, but I cherished my stability with Win2k holding out as long as I could before needing to switch over to XP. I'd like to go back and really give 98 a run once I can save up to register 98lite and figure out how to put the time machine together.

>>9163571
Why would you need 98 Lite?

>>9156827
Approximately 8 to 11, mostly on a family computer. My first computer also had 98SE but it got fried after two days, so I was on 2000 Pro for the next 5 years after.

>>9157107
>young people
>they're all hideously ugly millennials and/or literal homosexuals
Terrifying

>>9163595
I don't intend on my JWin98SE time machine to go online at all. I like the OS having minimal footprint and fast bootup. It does claim to ad some stability as well, since I remember 98 was notorious for crashing back then. However, I am not sure if the web integration would be needed in make dueling 98 machines for LAN RTS/FPS/'blo ...

>>9163628
There's literally no point to use it for a games machine, you'll just have a harder time dealing with support software for games and compatibility in general

>>9163642
I have a lot of old games I remembered that support 98. Also it is not just for games, I even enjoyed messing around with the interface customizations like screensavers and silly desktop toys.

>>9163659
I wasn't saying 98 is the problem, just Lite being a meme for that use case

>>9156902
I played a private server on a windows 98 machine a few months ago. Was dead because of classic but it ran fine using a 125mg agp card and a single core penguin 3. On a crt though, obviously not on hd resolutions.

>>9163216
LMAO zoomer born in 1996 detected. You will forever be a broccoli head fr fr on god

>>9156827
I was 4-5 years old. Pic rel was my first pc game.

>>9157142
that looks amazing, holy hell

>played through Secret of Monkey Island in 16:9 and didn't notice until afterwards
FUCK

>>9163939
Kek I always played this at my grandpas house whenever I visited him. No idea how/why he had that on there, maybe he just likes bearded men in speedos.

Did you guys actually have an overall positive experience with Win 95 / 98? Mine would constantly BSOD and the overall experience remained shitty up until XP finally came out.

Maybe I was doing something horribly wrong as a kid, but the 95/98/Me era gave me nothing but trouble.

>>9164781
It's a shit OS, I like it for nostalgia reasons but even back in the day I preferred other OSes like AmigaOS or Mac OS.

>>9164781
9x is as stable as you make it. If you load it up with a bunch of shitty drivers and programs it'll crash, but if you know what you're doing it works fine.

>>9156909
>meme of pc having 40 years of backwards compatibility is bullshit
Absolutely. Especially for running any mods on early 2000 era retail copies.

>>9164781
>>9164893
Getting hardware that had good drivers and having a good combination of it that had no conflicts that could cause instability was not easy back in the day, it wasn't easy to know what hardware has good drivers, etc.

The VXD driver model in general was very poor, the software side just wasn't up to the rapidly progressing hardware of the time, hence why WDM had so much better stability.

Even then one bad program could crash the system, Windows 9x might have protected memory on paper but recovering from a crash mostly required a reboot anyways, usually without being able to save your work.

>>9163571
Just get it from:
https://archive.org/details/98lite4.7

The dude doesn't give a shit what you do with it for personal use

>>9164781
nah it was trash, well, it was really easy to break and having to reformat

2k/xp was the peak, at least in terms of stability

>>9164781
Not really as a kid, but going back to 98/95 on a couple of old machines FUCK ME that shit was unstable.

>>9165328
>2k/xp was the peak, at least in terms of stability
The peak is right now when it comes to stability
Outside of nostalgia, Windows was and is always shit

>>9156827
I probably used Windows 98 up until I was about 7 or 8 years old, maybe a little older

>>9160520
repacks of?, old games?

>>9161602
speaking of, the new version loves to show me this stupid error message even though i installed the damn plugin

>>9164781
better time with 98 than with 95, but as the other said was easy to mess up,specially as a kid

>>9163659
of course they use the fetish fuel for screen saver

>>9161503
not an expert but that look pretty bf for win xp, is VM enviroment?

>>9165846
Real metal, no VM!

>>9165882
wow, may i ask how do you make xp run on modern stuff?, well looks mostly modern

>>9160704
I should have been more specific, I meant to say that now a lot of stuff can be fixed to run natively instead of emulation via VM or PCem.

>>9165790
Yeah like MagiPack games which are fixed to work on modern operating systems. They repack games with dgvoodoo or whatever other fixes they had to use and it works great.

>>9156807
>win 98
>luv me soundcard IRQ errors and not knowing what the fuck to do
>simple as

>>9165103
Thanks! I can't wait to get started. I'll still save up in support of the author.

>>9165842
That's what I go for. It helps against the burn in.

>>9164893
this is true. my 98se rig runs mich more stable with older gpu drivers somehow. and nowadays, if you built a nostalgia rig, you only tend to use it for a single purpose, usually gaming. so the hard drive isn't cluttered with unneccesary shit.

>>9165923
That's all officially XP supported hardware.
Windows XP would even run without mods on hardware made several years later (like 6-7).

You can even run it on modern platforms, the newest GPUs you can use are GeForce 900 series thought.

https://www.zone94.com/downloads/software/operating-systems/123-windows-xp-professional-sp3-x86-integral-edition

>>9156807
What happened to dos guy and the MS-DOS packs we used to post all the time?

>>9166313
Pretty sure the Windows version of Growlanser is missing some extra content compared to the PSP version. I think I have it on one of my hard-drives still, was a bitch to get and run lol

>>9166639
They are all still there for download

>>9166428
looks new though

>>9166650
Where tho?

>>9166889
On mega, pretty sure the /v/ wiki has the links

>>9166742
Outside the SSD, the hardware is 2008 and older. That's 14 years.

anyone tried hosted inferno?

>>9157142
I want that wallpaper

>>9166889
https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA

>connect win 98 pc to internet
>open internet explorer
>go into proxy settings, put in "theoldnet .com"
>put year you desire into the port (1999, 1998, 2000, etc.)
>can now browse the internet as it was that year
This is the coolest shit. Finding Mario 64 guides on geocities via yahoo in the current year is fucking crazy.

>>9167128
Based, thanks for sharing

>>9156807
I love Windows 98 so much it hurts

>>9167128
>This is the coolest shit. Finding Mario 64 guides on geocities via yahoo in the current year is fucking crazy.

I use to have multiple Geocities accounts back in 1995-1996. I had my own personal webpags. Some hilariously bad game-review site. And a few others. I miss making non-compliant spaghetti HTML code out of bad java scripts, messed up style sheets and other 'hacky' looking HTML code.

>>9165882
Is that a Roland SC?

>>9167435
A SC-88, yeah. Sounds awesome.

>>9163571
i believe the max single hdd size for win 9x is 137gb, u could create a partition just under this to be safe, there is a patch if u want to use a larger hdd, also if ur using ssd there is a trim patch, both of which are thanks to the late RLeow, consult vogons website for the patches, all of RLeows patches have also been preserved on archive after his passing thanks to his son.

also LoneCrusader is another person who worked with RLeow to give us these fixes, there is also unofficial win98 chipset drivers for later motherboards, refered to as "slipsteamable chipset drivers" wich r essentially just modified machine files u copy across replacing the originals, which support chipsets upto ICH10.

tho if ur using a later board (mines a gigabyte G31, ICH7) dont expect ur sound card to work in dos., its just not supported on boards after ICH5/6 i believe, for anyone that doesnt know.

>>9167556
Wasn't there a HDA sound driver for DOS?

>>9167574
no RLeow and LoneCrusader worked together to get it working i think it was in win98, but RLeow said it just wasnt possible, if anyone could get it working it would have been these two,
ur only option for onboard is AC97, i use a SB live on my G31 board but it only works in windows not in dos, my only option on this system is dosbox

>>9167591
Live has SB Pro emulation under DOS with a TSR utility

>>9167596
i've heard of it but never looked into it, i prefer to have things working on og hardware rather than emulation, i have a 775 msi board thats got a dos/sound compatible via chipset, but its got the medion bios making useless, til i can get a dip32 flasher to get the msi bios

>>9167726
It's an official Creative driver, it's not really emulation, just pipes old ISA address to PCI card

>>9156807
Lol

>>9156807
I have this GPU and Windows XP, what games can I get? Bonus points if available as an .exe by GOG

>>9157152
I have no tower, MoBo is on a table

Motherboard: Compaq CR120
CPU: Celeron Mendocino 400MHz
RAM: 256+128MB SDRAM
SSD: 64GB SATA-III on IDE adapter
GPU: ATI Rage IIC 4MB
OS: Windows XP SP3
PSU: 350W
Soundcard 1: Soundblaster PCI + MIDI
Soundcard 2: 96KHz USB
Soundcard 3: ISA SoundBlaster
PCI USB Hub
PCI Ethernet port

>>9167093
thanks bro.

>>9168228
that gpu is more suited to dos/win95, for xp it will be piss poor, i know the early command and conquer games will run no prob, tiberian sun/dune 2000 will run on 4mb vram, flight sim 98, an fps called redline from 1999 is on gog i had it back in the day, og grim fandango not the remaster. i had a creative graphics blaster back in 1999 with 4mb and it ran these games, tho 4mb was piss poor for the time, i was pissed at my dad for not getting a voodoo and also because the motherboard we had had 4mb onboard,
i was looking at one of these pci rage cards for a dos/95 build after i picked up the same pc i had back in 99, for xp the bare minimum i would use is a 64mb card, even an nvidia fx5200, 128mb, 64bit performs well for xp, i have 3 an asus,palit,msi. the msi one performs the best.

>>9166923
i see, also wow a custom xp , i have the opposite, new hardware on a 2004 case, still has the pentium 4 sticker

>>9156807
>win 3.11
can I play?

so, pure is the only way now to play and use win98?

>>9157142
it doesn't get more autistic than painstakingly writing your own fvwm config desu

slackware still ships with so many ancient window managers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu-o6nUmUPI

>>9156807
Got this beige boy but the cd drive is either dead or it can’t read my burnt CD win2k iso. What do?
>um ackshually 2000 is NT based not dos

>>9168937
Use USB + floppy or get a new drive?

>>9168956
USB flash drive? Would it boot from that? It does have USB ports.

>>9161386
Winamp and doom...I stayed up all night listening to pizzicato 5 and playing doom before my first trip to Japan in 2002

>>9168962
You'd need a boot floppy with a boot manager like plop to boot off USB with such old machines, that's why I said USB + floppy. Otherwise yes.

Google plop boot manager.

>>9169035
Ok, I’ve got some blank floppies and a USB floppy drive, I’ll try making one tomorrow

>>9169076
Good luck and have fun.

>>9161503
Go play Drakan right now

>>9168937
Clean the laser in the drive with a Q Tip and ETOH, lube the slides as well. Tons of videos on youtube about it.

Love them old dell cases

>>9165882
For XP you want a XP gaming monitor and not a CRT
https://youtu.be/d3L7dhLA4ZE

>>9156909
In my experience there's always a fan-made patch to get games running on modern OS. Publishers never give a shit of course, but it's still infinitely better than console backwards compatibility.

>>9168526
Its okay. I'd use dosbox-x over it if it wasn't so slow

>>9169484
I disagree, so many old games are broken on fully patched 10. Sure, some games have patches that might have worked on older versions of 10 but a lot of them patches were made for 7 or 8.1 and just carry over to 10. Even games you can get to work on 10 often have missing audio/graphic effects, like Darkan for example, has fan patches but even when it does work it's missing effects on the dragon attack and the EAX stuff doesn't sound right (thought I'm still under the impression EAX is broken in general on 10, I know some games like UT has it working but that's a patched up version and I think EAX was ported to whatever sound API plays nice with Win10. If you install off a disk, you can't enable EAX in UT.

Then you got games like Nocturn that just refuses to run correctly or at all on anything other then Win9x. Most vidoes of it on youtube edit out the 10 plus min load times it has on NT Windows and you can clearly see the cloth physics going insane though that's a framerate issue because if you run unlocked on 9x it does that as well, game needs to be locked at 30 to do that right.

Sure, big name games get ports and patches to work right for 10 but B tier and lower games get little to no fan support. I hope someone is working on a "WinBox" style program to get these old games running. I know some people use VMs but I haven't had the best of luck with them, Win9x games.

>>9169529
*If* it works on 7 or 8 either native or with patches, it works on 10. All of those OSes need a EAX patch though. I have perfectly working EAX on 10 that sounds just like with a Audigy card under XP, same with A3D.

Most of the time when I see people complaining, it's usually because they can't figure shut out and try to be smartasses about about.

>I hope someone is working on a "WinBox" style program
You can use Wine under Windows.

>>9169529
>If you install off a disk, you can't enable EAX in UT.
You need to use a EAX wrapper, there's one specifically made for newer Windows versions
But I see little point if you can get the same effects with the modern OpenAL UT sound engine, same with graphics, Vulkan engine is better than trying to use the old ones, this applies to most Unreal engine games of the time

>>9169529
>Darkan for example, has fan patches but even when it does work it's missing effects
Drakan has broken effects even under 98 if your GPU isn't period correct
You need a graphics wrapper for it to work properly, even under 98

>>9169539
in my experience, win10 has better backwards compatibility than win7 but some components need to manually installed, so many people don't know a out it

>>9169540
>You need to use a EAX wrapper, there's one specifically made for newer Windows versions

EAX wrappers work but not perfectly, i'm not really open to having a back and forth debate about it. Last time I did on here the anon ghosted me after I took the time to do recordings that proved my point

>But I see little point if you can get the same effects with the modern OpenAL UT sound engine

Very few games get ported over, both games I mentioned do not have any type of porting done on them

>>9169542
If you are running GeForce 4 Ti or older it works perfectly. If your running 98 you shouldn't be running anything newer anyways

>graphics wrapper
Same thing as I said about EAX, they work but are missing or have incorrect effects in a lot of lesser known games. When I say Drakan is missing effects I mean that's while playing using dgVoodoo 2. Also, dgVoodoo doesn't fix things like Nocturns 10 plus min load times on NT systems. Tons of early 3D windows games does stuff that just doesn't play nice on newer things.. Devil Inside is another example of a old 3D game that just doesn't want to work on NT and has zero fan support.


Thinking wrappers are going to preserve these games is 100% cope. If or when mainstream PCs switch to ARM you can forget about any type of old code running without something like WinBOX and, when you look at the state of DOSBox after all these years I have zero hope for any type of Windows emulation in my lifetime

>>9169557
>EAX wrappers work but not perfectly, i'm not really open to having a back and forth debate about it. Last time I did on here the anon ghosted me after I took the time to do recordings that proved my point
I remember that thread, YOU asked for recording and anon delivered, afterwards you stopped replying since the recordings proved that it sounded indistinguishable. I was in that thread.

Now you're trying to claim it was the other way around. Stop trying to bullshit people now, I know exactly who you are now.

>Very few games get ported over, both games I mentioned do not have any type of porting done on them
I was literally just talking about UT and Unreal engine games, reading comprehension problems?

>>9169557
Wrappers work perfectly for me, user error maybe?
I have period correct hardware to compare to too

>>9169569
Ignore the retard, last time he shit up a whole thread and then ran away with ad hominem after being proven wrong.

>>9169557
>If or when mainstream PCs switch to ARM you can forget about any type of old code running without something like WinBOX
Binary translation? Hello? Why are you talking about shit you apparently have no idea about.

>when you look at the state of DOSBox after all these years I have zero hope for any type of Windows emulation in my lifetime
DOSBox-X, PCem, Qemu with passthru? Plenty of options, did you actually think there has been no development since original DOSBox?

>>9169571
Usually I'm not the one to judge but it annoys me when retards think they know what they are talking about.

>>9169569
Compare it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Make sure to try games running original code, try some lesser known, low budget games that didn't get the best coding


>>9169571
Are you the guy that tried to use a patched up version of UT to prove EAX works under Windows 10 and got ass blasted when I pointed out that the audio engine was moved to a different API?

>>9169580
>Binary translation? Hello? Why are you talking about shit you apparently have no idea about.

Do I know anything about the raw coding of ether DOSbox or any other high level emulation? No, but I can load up DOSBox and tell it still can't play games accurately even after like 20 years of dev time

>DOSBox-X, PCem, Qemu with passthru? Plenty of options, did you actually think there has been no development since original DOSBox?

DOSbox can't even get Sound Blaster right after 20 years of dev time yet you think EAX and A3D and other strange things are going to work right with Win9X emulation? Passthrough? Why would I want to passthrough APIs to hardware that doesn't support it, dummy.

>>9169590
>Compare it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Make sure to try games running original code, try some lesser known, low budget games that didn't get the best coding
I have, sounds like user error

>>9169590
>Are you the guy that tried to use a patched up version of UT to prove EAX works under Windows 10 and got ass blasted when I pointed out that the audio engine was moved to a different API?
No, I'm not the guy who posted the comparison and the comparison was with the original audio engine and no patches, just EAX wrapper, I remember that well.

Glad you're not even denying that it was you, but you try to make up more bullshit now.

>>9169590
>Do I know anything about the raw coding of ether DOSbox or any other high level emulation? No, but I can load up DOSBox and tell it still can't play games accurately even after like 20 years of dev time
You know apparently very little about everything you're talking about

>DOSbox can't even get Sound Blaster right after 20 years of dev time
DOSBox is extremely outdated, why are you still talking about it? Why are you ignoring my arguments?

>Passthrough? Why would I want to passthrough APIs to hardware that doesn't support it, dummy.
Uh? I have a Live! and a Voodoo 2 that I use for Qemu passthru, works absolutely fine

>replying to a obvious troll
just ignore, why detail the thread?

>>9169606
Because I like fucking with technology illiterate retards

>>9169590
>Are you the guy that tried to use a patched up version of UT to prove EAX works under Windows 10 and got ass blasted when I pointed out that the audio engine was moved to a different API?
You got proven wrong and you stopped replying when everyone made fun of you, nobody got assblasted and there was no cheating

>it's another episode of a boomer crying about not being able to use modern programs
Every time

>>9169590
>No, but I can load up DOSBox and tell it still can't play games accurately even after like 20 years of dev time
What has this to do with binary translation or ARM?

>>9169568
Lol funny he ignored your post

>>9169603
Ok, what is the best way to play DOS games on Win10? More then happy to be proven wrong on this. Also, why would you passthrough to a voodoo and live when you can just run it natively, makes zero sense

>>9169610
Ohh you are that guy, thanks for proving my point. Like I said then, try EAX with anything remotely obscure game and compare to real hardware. You won't because your the type of person that thinks a pi on a 4k TV is perfect for SNES games

>>9169625
>hurrrr how is comparing the speed of dos emulation development on Win10 the same as what would be Win9x emulation one arm

That's how stupid you sound

>>9169632
>Ohh you are that guy, thanks for proving my point. Like I said then, try EAX with anything remotely obscure game and compare to real hardware. You won't because your the type of person that thinks a pi on a 4k TV is perfect for SNES games
See >>9169568

Boomer is getting angry for being recognised and called out for old shitposting
Get your popcorn ready

>want to discuss my favorite topic which is old dos/win9x games running on whatever
>thread already exploded

god dammit I hate my life

>>9169632
>Ok, what is the best way to play DOS games on Win10? More then happy to be proven wrong on this.
I already posted several options, you're stuck with original DOSBox and ignore my arguments though

>Also, why would you passthrough to a voodoo and live when you can just run it natively, makes zero sense
Autism, I'll always prefer original hardware over emulation, even when it's perfect

>>9169635
He won't reply, that would mean he admits to it
He's trying to pretend it never happened now

>>9169631
In the thread I was in I posted direct sound recording and got ghosted, dunno what your talking about.

>>9169635
Pick any game that has had no work done on it and ill go record on native HW you record on Win10 with a wrapper. Name the game

>>9169636
Samefag zoomer who thinks his shit emulation is just as good native code, many such cases

>>9169638
>I already posted several options

You posted a lot, what one is best for Sound Blaster emulation, i've never heard anything that even comes close

>Autism, I'll always prefer original hardware over emulation, even when it's perfect

Why passthrough if on HW too old to run anything modern? Why not run native code?

>>9169639
Your samefagging is very amusing to me

>>9169637
This, just ignore shitposters and don't reply

>>9169642
>Why passthrough if on HW too old to run anything modern?
Are you retarded or just pretending? It's in my modern computer

>>9169642
Post the thread.
I won't contribute anymore to shitting up the thread since >>9169568 is what happened last time.

>>9169642
Last time you didn't even know what wrapper was used
Show me the wrapper you use for EAX

>>9169648
You have a Voodoo 2 and Live! Soundcard plugged into a modern computer? Like Core series or newer? I never thought of trying that to be honest. Thought, my point still stands, why not plug them cards into a Win9x machine and skip the emulation all together

>>9169650
What happened last time is you posted a well supported game as proof that EAX works right. That's silly. Post something obscure that's running EAX under win 10. Name the game and ill go pirate it if I don't have it and we will compare.

>>9169671
Yes
Ryzen 5600X

>Thought, my point still stands, why not plug them cards into a Win9x machine and skip the emulation all together
Why do you want to play games in Windows 10?

>>9169671
>What happened last time is you posted a well supported game as proof that EAX works right.
I didn't post the comparison. You asked for it and another anon delivered before I could even get back from work to record myself. Since I told you I would post after work, because you didn't believe me last time either.

You never replied again in that thread, even though it was up for hours afterwards. Anons comparison sound absolutely fine and there was so difference.

EAX wrappers are universal, if it works for UT without patches, it works for everything for that EAX version.

>Post something obscure that's running EAX under win 10. Name the game and ill go pirate it if I don't have it and we will compare.
You're free to cherry pick anything, since as I said above, it won't matter.

You didn't answer what wrapper you use, I sure hope it's not Alchemy. Last time you were very confused about what wrappers were talked about and I want to see if you learned.

I won't shit up this thread any more though and any comparison you post at this point yourself is probably edited or using a old wrapped in purpose, since after this and last time, you won't want to be seen to be wrong again.

>>9169671
>didn't post the thread he claims he btfo everyone after being asked
Lol nice try Mr bullshit

>>9169698
I don't unless it's more accurate then current options i've seen.

I'm having trouble understanding what you are doing, or why I should say. First, they make modern mobos with enough PCI slots to do that? Second, why not just run a retro mobo?

>>9169709
OK, The Blair Witch Project Volume I. Does that work for you? Screen recording of the game running in a window in win 10 with a EAX wrapper and it's all working correctly.

>>9169716
>Go dig through thousands of archived threads to prove me wrong!

>>9169720
>I'm having trouble understanding what you are doing, or why I should say. First, they make modern mobos with enough PCI slots to do that? Second, why not just run a retro mobo?
You should go get checked for Asperger's
Sound like you have real viewpoint problem
Yes, 300 series mobos have PCI slots too, which is what I use
But you can always use PCIe to PCI adapters or hubs
Why run a separate machine when I don't have to and get original hardware anyways

>>9169720
>Screen recording of the game running in a window in win 10 with a EAX wrapper and it's all working correctly.
Doesn't matter anymore, I wouldn't trust anything you post, specially since last time you got proven wrong already.

Also you tried to move goalpost so many times, there's no credibility left.

First it was that wrappers sound wrong, then that the comparison used a newer sound engine (which is false), after that you said UT doesn't count... Make up your mind?

>>Go dig through thousands of archived threads to prove me wrong!
Yes. Because you're full of shit. Just like last time.
Anyone who remembers the actual last thread that had proof that discredited you will know.

Also why not answer the questions about the wrappers? I knew you're too dumb and arrogant to either Google or use things people recommended to you last time.

>>9169740
Not to mention you tried to claim you posted the comparison, even though it was another anon. Then you tried to claim his comparison used a newer sound engine, which was wrong. So do you agree that he posted it or you posted it?

You changed your made up fantasy so many times.

>>9169709
>>9169740
>>9169742
>I won't shit up this thread anymore
>Continued to reply to obvious bait
stop, just stop

>>9161503
>Risen and Gothic 3, but not Gothic 1 nor 2

>>9169590
>DOSbox can't even get Sound Blaster right after 20 years of dev time yet you think EAX and A3D and other strange things are going to work right with Win9X emulation?
In fairness dosbox can't get soundblaster "right" because not even creative got soundblaster right in the hardware from one revision to the next. Since DOS games were a mish-mash of custom sound drivers mixed with a few common (but heavily revised game to game) drivers compatibility with all the various cards with all their various bugs differs somewhat. DOSBOX has many hacks to work around this nonsense but it's a fairly difficult problem to solve.
But on the other hand EAX was a properly specified API that interfaced with a specific set of short run cards and was based on algorithms that are now well known. Prospects for 100% complete and accurate emulation of that and other post-windows machines is significantly better than DOS.

>>9169754
>In fairness dosbox can't get soundblaster "right" because not even creative got soundblaster right in the hardware from one revision to the next.
This, there's huge differences between even original models or revisions
It's easy to miss that when you've only owned a couple cards or only have one card right now

>>9169740
>Doesn't matter anymore, I wouldn't trust anything you post, specially since last time you got proven wrong already.


I'll take my W anon, have a nice day :)

>>9169736
I'm autistic as fuck, my dad literally forced me to be "normal". He'd make me sit at the kitchen table and do school work for hours every night to keep me out of special ed and not on the psychotropic meds. On one hand I resent him for not getting me proper help but on the other, without his and my mothers strong discipline I could be like Chris Chan.

I still don't see the value of modern system running 30 year old PCI expansion cards. I'm also skeptical of how well it works. I much rather have a deliciated system with a CRT esp for gamers i'd run with a Voodoo 2. But to each thier own, you do have me looking into a modern system with PCI to test some stuff on.

>>9169776
You too, anon.

>>9169786
>I still don't see the value of modern system running 30 year old PCI expansion cards.
Perfect compatibility and far more flexibility, without having another whole separate machine or having to deal with more unreliable parts, only the ones that matter
Eventually I'll buy a hub instead so I can use two Voodoo 2's and a MX 2 in addition to the Live! and single V2
That is when I upgrade next and use a PCIe bridge and a case made to support two motherboards and use the hub PCB as the second board

>>9169814
I mean if it works it works, i'm going to try and mess around with it. What software do you use to make that work?

For me, what will always be best is a dedicated DOS/9x setup. A desk I can sit at with my childhood CRT/Model M/Speakers and play the games I grew up with and even find new ones that I missed.

The unreliable parts argument really hits me, I do wish dgVoodoo and EAX wrappers worked perfectly, I'd love to have a modern system that I can hook up to my Model M and have it be perfect. I do say the most unreliable retro part outside of PSUs and HDs are the GPUs. I find mobos and CPUs to be profoundly reliable.

I have horded new in box backups for backups. So every part I like to use I have my in use item, my in very good shape but used backup of item then a new, factory sealed version, though some of the "new" things i've opened to replace the caps then sealed back up after testing to make sure it still works.

>>9169836
Qemu KVM but works fine with VMware too

>A desk I can sit at with my childhood CRT/Model M/Speakers and play the games I grew up with and even find new ones that I missed.
I still have that, how do you think I use that setup?

>The unreliable parts argument really hits me, I do wish dgVoodoo and EAX wrappers worked perfectly
dgVoodoo has problems but modern EAX wrappers are spot on, I have no idea what you guys argue about

>>9169850
>I still have that, how do you think I use that setup?

If it's a dedicated retro setup I really dont understand why you bother with Win10 and passthrough

>dgVoodoo has problems but modern EAX wrappers are spot on, I have no idea what you guys argue about

What EAX wrapper are you talking about? If it's OpenAL then i'll have to say your wrong. Tons of lesser known games don't work with it

I don't have a fixed setup. I have a test bench that I cycle components through.

Right now it's
>Pentium III 1.1ghz
>GA-6VTXE Mobo
>384mb ram
>GeForce256 (SDR)
>Voodoo2 12mb

Plus a bunch of cards I had lying around
>Another Voodoo2
>Voodoo5 (half broken. only works in one-chip mode)
>Voodoo1
>S3 Trio642/DX (mostly used for testing)
>Hercules 3D Prophet II Ultra (just got a new fan)

>>9169858
>f it's a dedicated retro setup I really dont understand why you bother with Win10 and passthrough
What I said in >>9169814

>What EAX wrapper are you talking about? If it's OpenAL then i'll have to say your wrong. Tons of lesser known games don't work with it
What problems do you have? Do you have the DirectSound HW emulator DLL too or just EAX and OpenAL? You sure you set the lesser known games up properly? Since they are lesser known they usually don't have guides so you're on your own, also make sure you use the right EAX version

>>9169875
Very nice anon, that's some sweet hardware

>>9169881
>What I said in
Yeah I get that but I still don't like it. The GPU is the weak link as far as longevity goes, might as well run a retro mobo to complete the experience, plus that's still cheaper then buying a modern mobo/cpu/ram

>>9169881
>What problems do you have? Do you have the DirectSound HW emulator DLL too or just EAX and OpenAL? You sure you set the lesser known games up properly? Since they are lesser known they usually don't have guides so you're on your own, also make sure you use the right EAX version

As far as I know I did everything correctly, ill run the game on 98 with my Vortex2 and get perfect EAX and A3D, in WIn10 no EAX on most games. It let me turn it on but it doesnt change anything. I don't think A3D has any wrappers for it but I could be wrong

>>9169889
>I don't think A3D has any wrappers for it but I could be wrong
Of course there's A3D wrappers....

>>9169883
thanks. I get a lot of cool cards by just pulling them out of an ewaste site. I'm friends with some of the guys that work there, which is nice.

Someone posted this a while ago and I saved it. Maybe it's of use to someone:
https://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

>>9169753
>>Risen and Gothic 3, but not Gothic 1 nor 2
I never really got into Gothic 1 and I already played a lot of Gothic 2, but I never finished Gothic 3 or played Risen and am curious to do so.

>>9168349
Oh god no

>>9170018
Risen is ok but it lacks the SOVL of Gothic 2. But definitely try it, maybe you'll still enjoy it.

Anyone remember scorch.exe?

>>9168937
dont bother just replace the drive, i had a new creative cdrom drive back in 1999 and it refused to cdr's 95% of the time, i think some drives back them were just for reading cd-rom and didnt support reading cd+r/cd-r/cd+rw.

also laser units seem to degrade with time even if not in use, no amount of cleaning will fix it, finding an old ide drive thats good is just luck of the draw.

There's a windows 98 simulator on Android. Not a virtual machine, just a fun little app someone made to simulate the environment of win98. You can run Android applications from the desktop and a few programs like mspaint and notepad work.
You can't go altering system settings and such obviously, because no real system exists. But it's neat.

>>9170776
Screenshot, in case you need it.

>>9169529
theres creative alchemy for enabling eax which is straight forward, theres modified versions that support any sound device not just the selected creative cards, its emulated but it is creatives official solution for later os's, not sure if its working on win10 tho, win7 all good

and there also modified drivers for different types of onboard audio, and also Sound Blaster X-Fi MB3, but thats more fiddling

>>9170765
>cd-rom and didnt support reading cd+r/cd-r/cd+rw.
But for a read only drive, those are all identical, once burned

>>9170828
EAX is emulated on everything after and including Vista
There's OpenAL drivers that restore partial hardware acceleration but those are card specific and came with the original card drivers for only the Vista era
Alchemy is extremely outdated though but there's community wrappers

>>9169476
>XP gaming monitor

>>9170834
>Alchemy is extremely outdated
i know but its the most straight forward to use for the average user, theres lots of alternatives, too many even, ive downloaded every different wrapper/program/modded driver, i just dont have the time to go thru them all to find the best.

i trying to remember i think creative released a card that was their last dedicated hardware based EAX card, long after the feature had been dropped from most other cards, as they had switched to the emulated alchemy method by then

i think it was possibly the X-Fi which brought back hardware based EAX on later os's like vista/7, still using alchemy but u get hardware based instead of emulated. someone correct me if im wrong.

>>9170765
>only for CD-ROM or laser is too weak
I’m suspecting as much. It’s a really clean unit overall, and the front doesn’t say anything about cd-r compatibility.

>>9170884
EAX went software only with Vista but some specific cards had hardware OpenAL support and a EAX wrapped that instead of using DirectSound HW like the old hardware based EAX or the Vista introduced software only audio backend, used OpenAL instead

>>9160048
NTVDM wasn’t very capable

>>9160048
Yeah, it's called DOSBox, literally made since NT had a shit DOS box, that's where the name comes from.

>>9159392
look for fvwm95. it's a dead project though.

Does anyone remember a music player where the interface looked like a yellow or golden radio or something?
I used to use Rioport Audio Manager back in the time but I'm pretty sure I had this other music play and just can't remember its name.

>>9171978
Oh shit I found it, I was sure I didn't dream it
Cowon Jet Audio.

Anyone know a place to get old patches for lesser known 98 games? Specifically looking for the 2.0 patch for resident evil 2 platinum and can't find it anywhere

Found a way to run 16 bit windows 3.1 apps on windows without virtual box. Was able to get civ 1 windows and civ 2 working with it.

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/otvdm.html

>>9172520
Forgot pic

WinBump 98

>>9172520
>>9172521
I remember that, really cool

>>9156827
I got my first PC in 2000 when I was 13 years old. It was a 98SE machine with a Riva TNT2 Ultra and a 15" ViewSonic CRT monitor.

I've used W95 machines at school though.

>>9156863
dgVoodoo2 covers pretty much all of Win9k's quirks, haven't seen an old game it can't run yet. Unless we're talking 16 bit applications, but I can't think of any games.