/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9142706
Because it came out later in the system's life. Not to mention, GE was selling like hotcakes years after its release.

It's a quality game, though, and I played it until I got good enough to beat it on 00 Agent. I was so proud of myself.

>>9142706
haven't played this one so i can't say if you're right but there's just so many of these... people are bound to feel drowned in them and rather wait for word of mouth to see if a licensed game is really worth it.

>>9142706
>I feel like
good for you

I like TWINE a lot but imo the gunplay isn't as satisfying as Goldeneye's.

ok so i just watched some gameplay and it looks visually impressive for an n64 game.

>>9142706
Because TWINE was a shitty movie compared to Goldenye
Or people assumed it was the game as the mediocrePS1 version

BOND IS HERE!

>>9142754
>don't shoot!

>>9142706
And I feel like you haven’t played both games back to back on the hardest difficulty. Goldeneye is a masterpiece in level design to fit game design. TWINE is good and has great multiplayer options, but goldeneye is a true classic, and that’s why it is fondly remembered over the later game. Plus TWINE is broken for speed running so it has no community in that respect

>>9142706
this is a good game but it's not nearly as fun to play as goldeneye

>>9142706
You needed a memory pack to save data

its worse, espically the MP maps and gameplay

Also the soundtrack of goldeneye is way, way better

It just feels more like a licensed game compared to GE. I like the guns way more though. It has the best SPAS-12 in gaming. Definitely an underrated game in any regard

Actually moving around and shooting things didn't feel as satisfying, from what I remember. I do need to give this game a real playthrough at some point though.

>>9142706
The first mission was great but everything else felt like a theme park ride.

Played it not too long ago. It's definitely a good game but I think it's a matter of Goldeneye coming first.

>>9142706
its forgotten because you are alone in your feelings

>>9142963
This game was a Goldeneye ripoff, it would've been a completely different game if GE didnt exist before it.

>>9142706
>this game really improved on just about everything Goldeneye did.

>>9142706
>I feel like this game really improved on just about everything Goldeneye did.
It did.
>So why is it forgotten in comparison?
Because it improved on something that already existed.

It's less polished, with some frustrating missions, and was going head to head with Perfect Dark.

>>9142858
>Also the soundtrack of goldeneye is way, way better
The rights holder forced them to remove all "Bond" music from the game before release, so the composer had to come up with replacements real quick.

The stun watch is really funny.

EA on the box

>>9143241
and?

tomorrow never dies was the better movie

>>9143307
That's why TWINE has a worse soundtrack. It had to be redone really quickly. GoldenEye didn't have this issue.

>>9142706
It just was not enough

>>9142706
Probably overshadowed on the N64 by GoldenEye's popularity, and as for the Playstation, its version was dogshit, so those users either jumped ship on playing games based on the film franchise for that generation or hopped over to GoldenEye.
The soundtrack is lacking, the mission roster is smaller, and there's no cheats. If they had pressed a little harder, this game would be golden.
It can be noted that the cartridge ROM sizes are
>GoldenEye: 96 Megabit
>TWiNE: 256 Megabit
>Perfect Dark: 256 Megabit
>Conker's Sad Fur Fag: 512 Megabit
I'm actually surprised that Eurocom didn't try to develop the game using a 64 MiB ROM considering the game was being made around the last peak in the franchise.
On the bright side, having come out later, the game's features shine through and are refreshing for an fps experience based on the Bond franchise.

Goldeneye was a passion project of a largely inexperienced team trying to make a great game out of a movie that was already long out of theatres and the minds of the public.
TWINE was a bunch of people trying to copy Goldeneye to sell their shitty licensed game and get it over with to advertise a movie.

>>9143959
>goldeneye
>largely inexperienced team
pretty fucking amusing knowing there's 81 huffman routines in the game
https://github.com/kholdfuzion/goldeneye_docs/blob/master/notes/GE%20Documentation/images%20text%20and%20font/About%20huffman%20compressed%20image%20types.txt

>>9143425
It’s hard to imagine it getting close to the kirkhope soundtrack for goldeneye regardless.

It was a fun game, with varied level design and objectives, but Eurocom really refined their ideas with Nigtfire wich is the second best Bond game
The first is Everything or Nothing

>Great tier
Goldeneye, Nightfire, EoN
>Good tier
TWINE N64, Agent Under Fire, FRWL
>Mediocre tier
Tomorow Never Dies, TWINE N64
>Gearbox tier
Nightfire PC
>Shit tier
GE rogue Agent, 007 Racing

>Great tier
Goldeneye, Nightfire, EoN
>Good tier
TWINE N64, Agent Under Fire, FRWL
>Mediocre tier
Tomorow Never Dies, TWINE PS1
>Gearbox tier
Nightfire PC
>Shit tier
GE rogue Agent, 007 Racing

>>9142706
I love this game. The single player is a lot more fun than Goldeneye imo.

>>9144248
The chase sequence where you had time limit and had to rescue hostages was pretty annoying
And fuck every game which has a helicpoter boss fight

>>9144107
Man, I miss the Brosnan era of Bond. It was so much fun, and had such good games more importantly.

>>9144320
I wonder what Die Another Day game would have been lik

>>9144357
That whole ice hotel sequence would have made a fun level.

>>9143989
True. Kirkhope/Norgate are much better composers than Neil Baldwin. Not to downplay Baldwin's contributions of course.
http://vgmpf.com/Wiki/index.php/Neil_Baldwin

>>9143959
>TWINE was a bunch of people trying to copy Goldeneye
Eurocom were a reasonably decent licensed game developer that Rare regarded with fondness. Eurocom were responsible for quite a few good games, including the Harry Potter games people liked, and Duke Nukem Zero Hour. They did good work under challenging conditions. They didn't have the luxuries Rare did. Rare's games could be delayed. Eurocom had to ship, and they had to ship fast because of publisher pressures. Also, Eurocom put up with endless bullshit from rightsholders that Rare were bizarrely immune to when GE was made. For example, aside from forcing them to change the music, they were also told that "Good can't fight good" in multiplayer.

>>9142706
I've never even heard of this one.

>>9143989
>>9144447
Tomorrow Never Dies game was crap, but it had some pretty good tunes in the OST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbIxYxamhEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_mmQCdf9-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8MSrcjdBdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmHVuoMA3XY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R73h7h64lDI

The levels are too linear. There's a few exceptions like the airport level, but most of the levels you pretty much have to follow a fixed path.

>>9144463
The studio sadly closed after Activision forced them to make the rushed crap that was 007 Legends because they ewere about to lose their license

>>9144506
I think only chases are like that

>>9144509
Yea, 007: Legends was a fucked project. It also hurts that Activision canned the PC version of GoldenEye Reloaded they'd been making. The devs are all scattered to the wind now. Ended up at Rare and Dambuster and bunch of other places.

>>9144538
It's sad that Blood Stone is the best Bond game available on PC
There were also supposed to be PS2 and PC versions of TWINE but they got scrapped and the assets were used for Agent Under Fire

>>9142706
I know standards for handheld games are pretty low but this shit has to be one of the most painful experiences I had recently and if I didn't abuse save states I would have never beat it.
For some reason it takes like a second to Bond to pull out and fire his gun, the levels are filled with trial and error gameplay, there are absoultely no mid level saves and the stealth missions where you fail the second you are spotted were AIDS, James Bond for Gameboy was better than this crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slK7hY7xe6k

Did you know there was an EA executive who hated dual analogue controls? That's why every single EA published FPS game on consoles in the early 2000s defaulted to left stick = back/forward, turn left/right, right stick, look up down, strafe.

>>9144571
Well, you can emulate everything on the GC and Wii without any real hiccups, at least.

>>9144580
Medal of Honor had that setup as well, but you could change it to more modern one

>>9144590
Well that's what I have done, but playing shooters would have felt way better with a mouse which is supported on Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on N64 but not TWINE

>>9142775
>TWINE is good and has great multiplayer options

I remember my friends and I loved the missels that had the cameras on them you could steer. Those were so much fun. Sleepover memory unlocked.

> Plus TWINE is broken for speed running so it has no community in that respect

I’m not autistic/on HRT, so I don’t give a fuck.

>>9144602
yhere was a mouse injector for twine n64 but it was both closed source and the catbox link has since been 404d

>>9144625
I think there was one for Duke Nukem Zero Hour as well, someone once mentioned they beat that game on emulator with a mouse and it was also made by Eurocom

>>9142706
Because it wasn't published by NINTENDO and made by RARE.

>>9142706
I like it better than Goldeneye as well. But the levels feel so small and the missions short..

>>9144602
Most of EA's games had both options. But due to executive meddling, it always defaulted to the former.

>>9144320
Brosnan himself said it during an interview for Everything or Nothing, the entrypoint to the franchise for most kids at the time was through video games, rather than the movies. And any wonder why, the roughly ten year period between GoldenEye 64 and From Russia With Love had some really incredible games. Since then we've had a bunch of half-arsed Call of Duty clones and kids couldn't care less about James Bond.

>>9145835
i'm probably just retarded but timesplitters 2 is what got me into bond

>>9142747
Are they just poor/better versions or are they completely different games/devs?

>>9144384
the bond parody levels in stuntman ignition kinda remind me of die another day

>>9144603
The autists make the world go round. A community of speedrunners keep the game in the public consciousness, and their understanding of the game and its tech can help in other ways, like making it much easier to emulate.

>>9142723
The starting pistol had some oomph to it which I enjoyed.

>>9145835
goldeneye is what got me into bond

>>9145846
They are different games by different developers

>>9145848
>speedrunners
>keep the game in public consciousness
this is plausible
>understanding a game's tech and can help with ease of emulation
what a crock o' shit

>>9144116
You forgot the Goldeneye reboot on Switch/PS3

>>9146684
Because they're 7th gen and aren't classified as retro.

>>9146696
The reboot came out 12 years ago, it's pretty much retro now, boomer

>>9146714
No

>>9146726
*tick tock tick tock........* did you heard that boomer? it's the sound of you if old

>>9142868
The Specialists mod for Half-Life would like to have a word with you about your shotgun preferences

>>9146714
It wasn't until a little over a decade had passed since 6th gen was retired before it received retro status.
In about 5 more years, your wet dream will come true.

>>9146742
6th gen should have been allowed here much earlier. When stuff gets discontinued they just become retro, PS4 is about to become retro. Go to any gamer site and they will tell you stuff like Bioshock or the Arkham series are ancient

>>9146749
You misunderstand the meaning behind retro in the context of vidya.
It isn't just about the years lapsed, it's also about how far the tech has come.
The gaming experience between 5th gen and 6th gen is a night and day difference.
6th and 7th, not so much. 8th gen amped up the scene enough to make 6th gen look dated enough to be donned the rank of "ye olde fuck".
7th gen is in the twilight as of right now.
9th gen is still off in the future (questionable on the -near- aspect considering that state of the world).

>>9146760
source: your ass

>>9146762
7th gen isn't retro.

>>9146772
>6th gen but in hd isn't retro
ok boomer

>>9146859
Not yet it isn't

>>9144116
move EoN to mediocre tier and omit gearbox tier to put NFPC in the appropriate shit tier.>>9144116

>>9145835
>Since then we've had a bunch of half-arsed Call of Duty clones and kids couldn't care less about James Bond.
That has almost nothing to do with it. Kids like Call of Duty clones. With the exception of Goldeneye, 90s and early 2000s Bonds did not do much for Bond among kids.

Craig and the movies being shit and people only pretending to like them because they are le "serious" and "gritty" Bonds is why Bond collapsed among young people.

>>9146997
Honestly, Bond films started to feel flat towards the end of Dalton. Brosnan's first debut was a quick, brief revitalizer for the franchise, but every film since GoldenEye hasn't resonated as much. Probably because the original charm died off with the old societal norms and trends that made the films so alluring and successful.
It's interesting that GoldenEye, TWiNE, and FRwL are the only older Bond films (that I'm aware of) to be made into games (Goldfinger, too if you count the ROM hack of GoldenEye).
Later Bond games (pre 7th gen of gaming) are more or less mishmash concepts inspired by earlier films that were thrown together to make an individually themed game.
If I had to pick, I'd say GE, TWiNE, and NF are the peak for FPS Bond games.

>>9146917
>move EoN to mediocre tier
How about no

>>9147102
There were some pre-Goldeneye movies like License to Kill made into games but they are kinda forgotten

>>9143197
Okay. So what?

>>9143302
>”Don’t shoot!”
>Taze them
Heh, don’t worry miss, I’m a good guy

>>9146730
My knees do sound like that when I stand up but that no amount of joint damage is going to make 7th gen /vr/

>>9147102
The end of the cold war kind of killed the idea of what Bond was. Goldeneye is specifically about the end of the cold war, and then they just didn't really know what to do.
Tomorrow Never Dies was about media moguls. I guess The World is Not Enough was about oil barons or something. I barely remember these movies. Die Another Day had a guy with crystals in his face and a space laser?
For what it's worth, all of the Brosnan movies were at least fun and stupid, and I'll take that over boring and boring.

I blame this movie for my femdom fetish

>>9147318
weren't most bond movies based around apolitical kooks? why was the cold war so important?

>>9147415
They are usually about third parties playing the NATO spies off against the Soviet ones.

>>9147415
The whole idea of spies secretly battling and saving us from the bad guys out there is a very cold war era narrative. What is James Bond to people now? He's a state asset, who's probably spying on his own people, and planting CP on the hard drives of political dissidents. The romanticism of it all is gone.

>>9147429
Plus the us vs them narrative had us against a powerful enemy that demanded a bit of begrudging respect. No one respects China. And, as you say, modern agents are probably most spying on their own people.

It came out 3 years after goldeneye, more importantly it came out around the same time as Perfect Dark. There's just no comparison between the two

>>9147462
The character models look way better and it has proper reload animations

>>9147318
Casino Royale was pretty good since it had the same directory as Goldeneye and Skyfall was decent, but rest of Craig films were underwhelming

>>9147462
pseud reaction pic and the amount of time between releases doesnt matter when the later game just isnt as fun. nobody gives a shit about this trash, kill yourself NPC.

>>9147515
casino royale was 10/10, quantum of solace was 8/10, all the others were gay. skyfall was fucking garbo, fuck you.

>>9147528
Quantum was so forgettable, I don't remember the villain or what happened

>>9147328
Also extremely grateful for this DK Bond book I got from the school bookfair for showing me the first nipple I ever saw that wasn’t my mom’s

I honestly found Casino Royale boring. It's a movie about playing cards. I don't care. It feels like it's almost taboo to admit that, because there was such generated hype around it at the time.

>>9147318
Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough were the exact same standard as Goldeneye (while being original and independant of it). I couldn't pick the best movie between those three. So yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

>>9144576
that's too bad because I've always wished more franchises had done metal gear clones, perfect for a bond game.

>>9147975
>doesnt like it because there's a total of like 5min of runtime about playing a card game
youre retarded bro

>>9143197
Have you played them both? Aside from some similarities, TWINE feels like a totally different game.

>>9143197
>Goldeneye ripoff

>>9142706
Back in the day games sold by word of mouth first and foremost.
Its why every game journalist at the time sounded like they trying to be "the cool uncle" or something.

>>9148476
>g*me j*urnalist
don't ever utter the words "lgbt bbq" again

Redpill me on goldfinger 64

>>9148506
The neutral
>They really like revolvers.
>GF precedes TMwTGG, so no Golden Gun. Instead, it's Goldfinger's plated revolver that's more like the Cougar Magnum.
>A number of levels carry the same tediousness between running up the spiral ramp in GE's Caverns level and the backtracking in the Surface levels.
>Textures on character models' faces are poorly done - the developers understandably wanted to self insert, but it appears they didn't spend much time making it blend with the base models.
The bad
>The sample quality for gun sounds aren't fitting for most of the weapons. The worst being the mp40 with it sounding like a stuttering washing machine during the wash cycle on "fast".
>Airport is the laziest level design ever conceived. Looks like a generic, beginner's shitty export of a Worldcraft map file.
>Soundtrack gets annoying after a while. The ones that use vocal samples from the sound bank just paint the inside of a toilet.
>First playthrough, it's easy to get stuck on some levels because it isn't entirely clear on how to proceed.
>Building on the previous point, there's a few instances where you can get softlocked whether it be getting stuck in level/character geometry or a room that requires a key to open the door, but the guard holding it died in a place out of reach and you didn't notice/know about the key.
The good
>Complete overhaul. Uses GoldenEye to serve as a base for a whole new game.
>The AK-47 actually looks like an AK-47 this time.
>Actually shows off what SubDrag's (et al) work with the GoldenEye Setup Editor is capable of.

disclaimer,
these points are based off of memory.
i haven't played this hack since 2019.

>>9142730
There was an n64 version and a PS1 version, and the two were basically totally different games. The PS1 version has simpler gameplay but more action and it takes cinematic clips from the actual movie.
The n64 version has arguably more complex levels and a bit more interaction, in-engine scripted sequences, but the graphics have lower technical fidelity and don't look as pretty as the PS1 version.

I thought they're both worth playing.

>>9148460
Halo Wars ripped off Halo

>>9148628
thanks anon
I'm gonna try it now with reasonable expectations

>>9148494
Shut the fuck up dweeb

>>9149065
watch it.
i've spilled before, and i won't hesitate to spill again.

>>9142706
What was the deal behind this game being shipped in a blue cartridge?
I thought this game came in blue by default, but apparently it comes in standard grey as well.

>>9150384
It was sick

I haven't played this game for years until recently, and since those old times I still have this banger in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5V8qehLLY8

>>9142747
filtered

>>9142712
> 00 Agent
This difficulty is retarded considering
>lead sponge
>you die, kicks you back to mission select and makes you go back a cursor every time so you HAVE to load the opening cutscenes again
>sluggish menu
GoldenEye was actually nervewracking knowing you're dead in 10 hits or less.
TWINE relies on shoving you through clouds upon clouds or gnats until you're pissed off.
Fuck that shit.

>>9142706
>>9144107
criminally underrated
the missing 3rd game in the Golden Eye Perfect Dark Progression

>>9144580
And people keep defending the EA of old when the company was rotten since the beginning.

>>9146684
When the fuck did the reboot come out on the Switch? Better question is how the fuck did it come out if the rights to the Bond franchise are with the Hitman guys and they are notorious for allowing shit to be rereleased.

>>9154161
it's not missing, it's called timesplitters 2

>>9142706
I like the realistic setting, art style and graphics - shame the animation was so cheap and the physics poor so that it takes two steps back from goldeneye. It's like sure the guard's model is higher poly but when you shoot over his shoulder it hits his giant rectangle hitbox and he teleports 2ft to the side and plays his one death animation.

>>9143527
LMFAO

>>9147102
>>9147318
>>9147515
>>9147528
>>9147562
I like Octopussy

>>9150384
EA published game. EA liked having "special" cartridges. That's why they bullied SEGA into letting them release Mega Drive cartridges with the yellow tab.

>>9154554
timesplitters is like the generic brand to the name brand goldeneye and PD

The leaked prototype build of the game is kind of wild. It has way better looking menus, RAGDOLLS, and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9b7tr0R39Q

>>9154767
and yet timesplitters is the best game out of the 3

>>9155237
Kek, isn't that the first level of Medal of Honor? Nice beta by the way.

Why did they skip Tomorrow Never Dies on the N64

>>9155687
Because Rare took too damn long, and GE64 released the same year as the film TND.
Not to mention, the PS game sucked shit.

>>9156160
desu I wonder how much the specific movies actually mattered, did kids really care that it matched up with a specific bond film? agent under fire(that didn't suck) maybe with pierce brossman's likeness would have been the right idea.

>>9155687
desu the specific movies didn't really matter, and following them was probably detrimental to the delivery of the story in a videogame, just Brossman's license on the cover would be enough. nightfire and everything or nothing were the right approach.

>>9143425
Does someone actually own the rights to that chromatic bassline (the "spy" riff)? The Goldeneye soundtrack is mostly all original with the common element between all the tracks being that bassline and chord progression right? Why didnt TWINE guy just claim his soundtrack was inspired by Lucifer Sam or something?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=np5z_yiuhKo