/vr/ - Retro Games

all of them are shit except Z1, OoT and Twilight Princess.

>>8965427
it's not a sidestory
storywise it is a direct sequel
and therefore, alttp is zelda 0
at least until oot became zelda divide by 0
and so on
but gameplay wise yeah it's obviously pretty different but everyone knows that already

>>8965432
>Twilight Princess
I almost thought you were being serious.

>tfw no zelda 3

>>8965450
>and therefore, alttp is zelda 0
The Master Sword Sleeps Forever

>>8965463
Good thing there's no Master Sword jn Zelda 1 or 2.

>>8965427
No

>>8965427
The game with the number 2 in the title is the second game, and the sequel.

>>8965427
Technically all sequels are side stories in Zelda

Timeline is
Zelda 4 > Zelda 3 > Zelda Gameboy > Zelda 1 > Zelda 2
Therefore Zelda 2 is literally the sequel to Zelda 1.
no other games really matter i consider them fanfiction to be honest.

>>8965594
>no other games really matter i consider them fanfiction to be honest
this except only Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 matter, everything else are just lazy retellings

>>8965594
The timeline means nothing and anyone who uses it in any argument is pathetic

>>8965610
Timeline is everything, sorry!
>>8965602
I sincerely wish Nintendo stuck with the NES for longer man. I wish we got Zelda 3 on the NES.

>>8965617
If you think that, you are a midwit
The Zelda series is anthological in nature

>>8965629
Hey thats cool man I dont give a shit tell it to your mom lol shes at my house.

>>8965562
Actually, yes.

>>8965610
most of the games are directly connected to each other and it's pretty explicit
just cause nintendo had to be retarded and connect the ones that weren't and make up some dumb shit alternate timeline about link losing in oot to place the pre oot ones somewhere else doesn't mean they aren't

>>8965929
oh yeah? Show us this 'explicit' timeline.
sperg

>>8965463
The sword in Zelda 1 is the Magical Sword. I think it's the same sword in ZII.

>>8965463
Fi has been asleep since killing Demise. Lucky for Link that a sword is just a pointy object that doesn't need to be awake to function.

>>8965940
okay well
>zelda 2 is clearly the sequel to the first game, since it involves finding the triforce piece you didn't find last game
>alttp is admittedly perhaps less clearly the prequel to those games, i mean it's in the name (not the japanese one though yeah i know)
la is a direct sequel to that where link goes on his own adventure til his ship is wrecked
>oot is the imprisoning war described in alttp's intro
>mm is obviously a sequel to oot
>ww's intro talks about the events of oot, and since those particular events happened seven years in the future, it's a continuation of oot's future
>thus tp is a continuation of oot's past (shown in the cutscene where you see ganon get executed)
>ph/st are clearly sequels to ww (one taking place 300 years later but same idea)
>mc was meant to be the first game since it shows how link got his hat until ss where it was before that
and well that's about it really, the others don't really fit
so what isn't obvious now exactly?

>>8966097
This is literal fanfiction.

>>8966101
play the games
and read interviews for some of the less clear ones
it's not complex
why do you retards always think it's complex? is it just third worlders?

>>8965945
Yeah the manual of 2 specifically points out that Link's adventuring with the Magical equipment he ends Zelda 1 with.

>>8966097
Nintendo called LttP a prequel publicly, but they made no actual accommodations in the plot to really connect it to the prior games. They just figured that it sold better if they were part of a continuity.

There was a time when LA was clearly a piece set after LttP and before OoX.

>>8966101
No, he's completely right. He forgot about SS, but he's basically right about the rest.

>>8966112
Zelda 4 Zelda 3 Zelda 1 Zelda 2
Nothing
Else
Matters.
That is the order. Stop talking about all these weird other fanfiction games.

>>8966112
i put ss in the mc one
probably should've separated em though tbf

>>8966126
Both MC and SS were intended to be the beginning, at the times they were made. Nintendo could do it again if they want. We still have never seen the golden age before Demise.

I love this game but I think Nintendo agrees with you, anon. No one has ever pointed this out but Zelda 2 is called just リンクの冒険 in all Japanese Virtual Console re-releases and Switch Online. Which translates to 'Adventure of Link'. There is no 'The Legend of Zelda' or 'Zelda' in the title

>>8966131
>We still have never seen the golden age before Demise
Uoh, gaijin givu us idea about new Hairari Wariazu. De saem gaem az Dainasuti Wariazu 2 again. Everyone buy.

I like how mysterious the first Zelda is. It's really left up to your imagination why everyone is in caves and holes in the ground under trees. Now every game seems like your at a theme park where you larp as an adventurer.

>>8966749
Honestly this is the only thing I straight up dislike about Zelda 1. If they could feel two villages with shops not being in fucking caves and all that I'd like this game way more. That's why I prefer Zelda 2's world. It may be lacking in terms of gameplay compared to the first one but you can't deny that its world is way reacher and immersive

>>8966767
>feel two villages
Oops, meant add. Also to add to this, Dragon Quest came out like what, a couple months later, and it had towns

>>8966767
It feels less immersive because of having few towns. Makes the world feel smaller. It worked for awakening because of well you know. The town in lttp lacked so much character

>>8965427
All the major Zelda games had a side game to accompany it. Zelda 2 was obviously there to accompany Legend of Zelda. Link's Awakening to A Link to the Past, Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time, etcetera.

>>8966817
And Oracles are the least memorable because they are side games to a side game

>Lorefags ruining another thread.

>>8965427
ALttP was the side story, it's literally a throwback game to resemble the first game, making it a Link to the Past. With just 2 prior games at that point and the first 2 starring the same character, it's the odd man out. It's not a remake but in a lot of ways it's an intentional higher-quality retread of 1.

The fact that it was acclaimed and sold like gangbusters later made it a pattern-starter to continue aping Zelda 1 and star a new Link repeatedly. There's no sign of this being the plan beforehand and the CDI games are sidescrollers immediately following it.

>>8966827
>op specifies his belief about a game being a sidestory
>explain that it's actually connected to the main story
>some dumbass thinks it isn't and nothing was connected early on
>"herp a derp lorefagging is bad"
if he said the game was too different that'd be a different story (heh)

>>8966745
Hyrule Warriors is unironically the only good Zelda game released after the N64 prior to BotW.

There's this weird thing about NES era Nintendo sequels. Of course there is Doki Doki Panic Mario Madness 2. Back then, nobody knew about the localisation. People accepted it as Mario 2. The game did feel like an evolution over the original. But when Mario 3 and Mario World came out, it seemed like a step backwards to Super Mario Bros 1. Metroid II, while still being Metroid-like. It was much more linear, while Super Metroid goes back to the game mechanics of the original. Yeah, Zelda II being a side scroller RPG, which was a departure from the original game. Then seeing Zelda: Link to the Past go back to the style of the first NES game.

>>8966928
All Zelda games are good

>Its often said that the heart of a game is its story, but that’s not the case. The story comes only after the core of the game system is completed. Then the characters come into focus and the world starts to manifest.
https://shmuplations.com/1994gamedevs/

>>8967045
Except Link's Crossbow Training.

>>8965452
Wasn't aLttP literally called Zelda 3 in Jay-pan?

>>8968128
No. Mario World was SMB4 there though

>>8965629
It used to be, mostly, until autists and spergs demanded an official timeline so a few years back, Ninten-doh! made a clusterfuck of a "timeline" that makes no fucking sense whatsoever to appease said autists and spergs.
I say "mostly" because a handful of them are directly sequels of other games in the anthology, such as LA being one to aLttP, AoL being one to tLoZ and MM being one to OoT.
Even the stylistically or thematically similar ones aren't really related, such as the non-retro ones starring Toon Link.

>>8968141
>non-retro ones starring Toon Link
Phantom Hourglass is literally a direct sequel to Wind Waker

>>8966767
>>8966749
The manual explicitly states that the people of Hyrule are hiding from Ganon's forces in caves and shit. Mystery ruined?

>>8968147
Is it? I'm not gonna argue one way or the other cuz I'm not sure and I may have just forgotten. I know the train one ain't got shit to do with either, tho.

>>8965427
The only Zelda I play are Capcom games

>>8968157
Yeah, it starts immediately after WW. The train one is standalone but it has Niko from WW/PH

>>8968170
And whatshisname (Mr Tingle?) is in Minish Cap. Does that mean it's a sequel to OoT?

>>8968173
tingle has his own game. pretty sure he hops dimensions and sht

>>8968170
No, it's the same Niko from WW but old as hell. He even tells you that you remind him of his old friend (because well, you are toon link#2 and look exactly the same as the Wind Waker one)

>>8968189
oops meant for>>8968173

>>8968158
The capcom games look the best but theyre the most uninspired gameplay wise. They just copy the OOT formula to a T.

>>8968170
Like I said before, it’s anthological
It uses the same characters but isn’t story tied

>>8968692
Niko is the same from Wind Waker but as a really old man and train engineer Alfonzo is stated to be Gonzo's great grand child, while the new tribe whose name I forgot has this old lady who directly met Tetra back in her youth and comments how brash Tetra was.

>>8966121
Zelda 4 and Zelda 3 are shitty fanfiction too lmao, stop trying to legitimize them, they are literally no different than later half-assed attempts by Nintendo to establish a timeline, Zelda 1 and Zelda 2 are the only ones that matter

>>8966857
much like Super Metroid, it's a soft-remake of the 1st game in the series, even if canon-wise they are supposed to be a prequel/sequel.

>Zelda 1
>Triforce is a legend, but Ganon attacks the country of Hyrule and steals the Triforce of Power which they always had apparently
>Princess Zelda is well aware of the Triforce of Wisdom, and breaks it into 8 pieces and hides them around the country to keep Ganon from getting two of the three
>Impa flees the castle after Ganon captures the princess, almost gets waxed then gets saved by Link, a "young lad"
>after getting Power and Wisdom Triforce's, and saving Princess Zelda, Link decides to take off for his next adventure
Then...
>Zelda 2
>"many seasons have passed"
>Ganon's forces are trying to find Link so they can sacrifice him and pour his blood on Ganon's ashes to revive Ganon
>Link actually stayed behind in Hyrule to help rebuild instead of going on another adventure
>when Link turns 16, a mark appears on his hand, he goes to see Impa about it
>Impa takes him to "The door that does not open", and presses the mark against the door to open it
>tells him the story about how long ago the first princess Zelda got put to sleep by her brother who was King at the time
>in grief, he declared all female children born into the royal house would be named Zelda
>Link gets the third Triforce, and wakes up the now hundreds if not thousands of years old original Princess Zelda and makes out with her
Somehow my mind glossed over this detail as child.

>>8969729
The US marketing and translation makes it very easy to gloss over that the second game focuses on the ancient Zelda and not the one you just rescued.

>>8968692
It's a DIRECT sequel. Like 'to be continued' type shit

>>8969182
>the new tribe
Lokomo. Also Linebeck's grandson is in this game

>>8970072
So does Zelda 2
It's still anthological

>>8969729
And of course the Zelda in Skyward Sword doesn't even have a brother and doesn't get put to sleep. Fucking nips

>>8968128
https://legendsoflocalization.com/about-zelda-iii-zelda-iv-and-zelda-64/

>>8966928
BotW is dogshit.

>>8966928
BoTW is the most derivative, soulless game I've seen. It literally, with no hyperbole whatsoever, took the worst trends in video games of the last 10 years and put it into one game. Not only nothing about that turd is original or creative, it's fucking shit. It's almost like an experiment to see how powerful the Nintendo brand is. Put a Nintendo sticker on a turd and watch the cult defend that turd with their lives.

>>8970251
I've played every Zelda game more than once and BoTW is one of my favorites. If you want to shitpost about a game you have never played go back to /v/

>>8965427
I mean in terms of dev teams that's true. AoL was made by a completely different team from LoZ, the LoZ team went on to make LttP. Hence why AoL is a bit of a black sheep design-wise, though some of its ideas did carry over into later games.

>>8970251
I wouldn't go that far but you are still closer to the truth than the average critic or fanboy.
BotW had some things going for it, plenty of potential, but was incredibly flawed. It doesn't feel like a Zelda game to me (and no it's not like LoZ, LoZ design-wise is much closer to the other games than BotW is).

>>8965427
Correct

>>8965452

>>8966818
>least memorable
The Oracle games are top tier though.
>>8966827
>thread is whining about story
>surprised people are talking about the story
Sides Zelda 2 sucks anyways and I'd rather talk about lore than here it's cultists try and desperately convince everyone that they should love it just because it's unpopular

>>8968664
What? The oracle games are much more like the original Zelda or Link's Awakening than anything in OOT

>>8970671
>like the original Zelda
Well, Seasons sort of is as far as the dungeons go anyway.
One interesting thing about Oracles is that their overworlds feel like labyrinths with puzzles, even more so than the world of LA. The same team went on to make Minish Cap, which is the same and Skyward Sword which is just that but in 3D. But for some reason OoA, OoS and MC are sacred cows and Skyward Sword is considered one of the worst Zelda games

>>8970749
Probably because the 3 you listed are good games and Skyward Sword isn't. Skyward has a lot more issues than just the basic structure of the game not to mention people are always going to be more critical of a big 3D Zelda game than a smaller 2D title.

>>8965427
I wish we lived in a world where Ys3-but-good survived as the template of the series.

>>8970665
>MUH ORACLE MUH CHILDHOOD
Let me guess: 30 or younger. I don't know why your demographic overrates these games so much. Awakening is much better.

>>8968664
>They just copy the OOT formula to a T
And OoT copied the ALttP formula.

>>8970805
>using MUHs and I'M OLDER THAN YOU as arguments
I hope you're younger than 30.

>>8971561
People tend to forget that because in the Collect 3 things to get the Master Sword, then 7 different things to open the door to the final Tower, OoT just gives you one of the 7 different things for free.

>>8971604
>OoT just gives you one of the 7 different things for free.
There are 6 sages not 7, and yeah the first one is 'free'

>>8971595
Nope. Answer the question.

>>8966749
>>8968150
also the zelda 1 map is literally a hyrule backwoods. basically just young link's neighborhood.

>>8968158
The only capcom i play are zelda games.

>>8972224
Where's the zelda 1 map

>>8972283
Lower left corner

>>8972283

>>8972298
>>8972306
Literal fan fiction wow.

>>8972231
Other than LTTP and Awakening, Capcom really did make the best Zelda games.

Official timeline sucks. Here's the /vr/ timeline:
>Skyward Sword
>Ocarina of Time
>Majora's Mask
>The Wind Waker
>Phantom Hourglass
>Spirit Tracks
>Twilight Princess
>A Link to the Past
>Link's Awakening
>Oracle of Seasons & Oracle of Ages
>The Minish Cap
>Four Swords
>Four Swords Adventures
>A Link Between Worlds
>The Legend of Zelda
>The Adventure of Link
>Breath of the Wild
This is also the definitive order to play the games.

>>8965427
There is no such thing as Zelda

>>8965452
Maybe I'm imagining some mandela effect shit but I thought the ALttP intro cutscene had something to the effect of "Nintendo Presents: Zelda 3" in there somewhere

>>8968128
zelda 2 is actually a reworked version of Doki Doki Panic

zelda storyfags are fucking insane. i think there's like 5 lines of text in the entirety of zelda 1 not including the credit roll

>>8972620
RTFM

>>8972683
>read my fanfic

>>8972691
>offical material that came with the game
>fanfiction

>>8970251
based
>>8970348
cringe

>>8970198
OoT Zelda was originally going to be the first Zelda, though I doubt she was also going to have a brother at that time too

>>8973157
First Zelda that interacts with Ganon, anyway. The one in the flashback doesn't. There was still wiggle room.

>>8973164
No I mean she was actually meant as the "first" Zelda in the beta script

>>8970671
Progression is the same as OOT, you can only do 1 dungeon at a time and it usually requires some overworld work to get access to it in a fixed order.

>>8970198
I'd like to assume that somehow that first princess is still out there, sleeping. As if that backstory somehow comes before all the known games, and they just lose track of where she is. ... but then unfortunately none of this really meshes with the actual quest for triforce pieces in AoL. LttP was enough to break it.

What if all the games were lies?
What if there is no magic?
What if it was all political propaganda to convince a gullible public that their queen was divine?

What would the resulting game look like if the truth were told?

>>8972541
You may be confusing it with Super Metroid, which does say "Metroid 3" in the intro cutscene only.

There's also this 1992 interview where the name of the alttp was discussed in detail, but there is no mention of the name "Zelda 3": https://shmuplations.com/zeldalttp/

Maybe there was another interview where they used the name Zelda 3?

>>8970198
well she gets sealed inside a crystal for centuries, so close enough

>>8972310
This is beyond cope. And for what? Please, take your meds

>>8972306
>>8972224
I'd say it's weird that 9 whole Labyrinths fit into that tiny area, but actually I think it's weirder how densely packed that area is with Labyrinths. Hyrule must've had some autistic city planners in it's past.

>>8972306
Didn't know that - thanks for that.