/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8882524
>Or get original hardware and a CRT for a fraction of the price?

This is bait

>>8882534
He's not wrong assuming you only care about playing two or three consoles on the MiSTer.

>>8882524
yay good idea anonkun!
i'll just plug my rtx 3080 into my crt real quick!

>>8882524
People like toys. Seems like a fun toy with impressive numbers that excite the brains of adults who like expensive, high quality toys.

>>8882524
>for 100x's the performance and benefits
citation needed
>analog output
>frame accurate cycles
>support for lagless s-video
>snac usb adapters for 1:1 controller polling

>>8882541
I never said that was an option.
I said CRT with real hardware, or emulation on a PC with your display obviously being a monitor or HDTV.

>>8882548
Can you play PS1 at x10 res with PGXP and widescreen and shaders at 4k while using runahead on MiSTer or any FPGA?

>>8882541
If you're the kind of person that owns an RTX 3080 you could probably get a second, cheaper graphics card with VGA and throw that in your case alongside the other card.

>>8882562
can you do this with an actual ps1?????
why do you pissing contest freaks do this?

>>8882563
or emulate on the 240hz 1ms vertical monitor for tate saturn/dreamcast instead right anonkun?

>>8882576
So this guy >>8882562 is a pissing contest freak but this guy >>8882548 isn't?

>>8882576
Right, you can't do it with a real PS1. But you can also do everything MiSTer and FPGAs can and more.

>>8882582
if wanting to recreate the actual hardware 1:1 is a pissing contest then emufags have already lost

>>8882580
I don't really know what you're referencing here anondono. I was just suggesting a way that a 3080 owner could hook up a CRT to their PC

>>8882590
I don't think they realized they had entered into the pissing contest, so I think that's okay. That's a win-win.

>>8882524
>Why do retards use MiSTer, FPGAs, Raspberry Pis, emulation handhelds and all this shit
they don't
they get paid to shill it
next question

>>8882596
there was SOME pee, that is my point

>>8882602
kek please leave the mister thread alone
there are clearly zero shills in there &
why would people shill an item that isn't available for purchase retard

Have you guys played any retro games recently?

>MiSTrannies already seething
So insecure...
Wonder why?

>>8882618
The mind truly boggles!

>>8882618
>shitpost thread gets btfo by common sense
t-t-theyre seething r-right anon?????

>>8882631
anon... you are seething right now

>>8882631
No one can answer why MiSTers and FPGAs are worth using over original hardware or PC emulation.
They start attacking the person instead of answering the question.

>>8882548
>Analog output
There are cards with analog output
>Frame accurate cycles
As accurate as the code monkeys programmed the FPGA. They are anything but frame accurate.
>Lagless S-Video
There are cards with S-Video
>USB adapters
No better than input lag on a PC then.

>>8882636
are the people "seething" in the room with you now anonkun?

>>8882642
Okay, but I paid $500 for my MiSTer setup so I'm taking this very personally and I'm angry at you now, anonkun.

>>8882641
>cost
actual msrp for de-10 makes it a better value than your high end pc
>snac!=usb

no emulation is better than original hardware, for some systems, emulation will never be fully realized (virtualboy, vectrex, various gen 1 systems, atari jaguar, cdi, etc)
>mister vs actual hardware
again, cost: neogeo, cp1(2), cave arcade pcb etc


have fun pretending mame is remotely good

>>8882667
I think MAME is awesome. A shitload of arcade games for free in my house, taking up virtually no physical space? Pretty cool!

>>8882669
>running at the wrong speed
>showing unexpected graphical errors/glitches
>the worst Ui ever award for the 5th consecutive year
its like mame and retroarch are competing directly, to see who can shit out the ugliest interface kek

>>8882667
>Cave arcade PCB
Let's not oversell FPGA solutions, they weren't figuring out any Cave board that MAME hasn't solved, and sure as fuck not CV1K boards.

>>8882667
>actual msrp for de-10 makes it a better value than your high end pc
Except you can play even modern games and do tons of other things with your PC.

>neogeo, cp1(2), cave arcade pcb etc
All of these have been basically 98% accurate since 2004. Don't pretend FPGAs are 1:1 perfect and don't require updates too.

>>8882693
>>8882691
MiSTer project isn't perfect
no emulation solution is
however if you're into a separate mini pc that boots in 3 seconds & supports s-video/composite (like REAL hardware at 240p) than its a great deal

>>8882706
the boot-time is NOT an exaggeration
it makes the rp3b seem like hot garbage

>>8882548
>>analog output
>>frame accurate cycles
>>support for lagless s-video
>>snac usb adapters for 1:1 controller polling

>>8882524
>you can just emulate on a PC
>alleged PC enthusiast somehow isn't buying up inexpensive micro-pc hardware like DE-10 nano and rp3(4) for fun

riiiiiiiiiight

>>8882706
I get it that it's cool. I agree.
I just don't understand spending money on it over original hardware. Or even going the free route of emulation that has a ton of added benefits.

>>8882718
>Spending money on worse performance
>Fun
It's your money, anon. But I still don't get why people would do this when there are better options.
It's the third-best option for playing old games.

>>8882724
if you want to ease up the wear&tear on actual hardware the mister is adequate for the job
and by adequate i DO NOT mean to go pay 500+ for a 150$ fpga board kek

>>8882732
>worse performance
>better options
citation needed

saying you can't upscale isn't an argument,
and technically even real-hardware chads can upscale with retrotink5x type products (and often do)

>>8882524
Mate, original hardware is often the most expensive way to go unless you only want one system

>>8882739
you think the mentally ill /bst/ posters here will EVER have ONE system??????!!?

>>8882734
I have original hardware and just emulate most of the time. Emulation is free.

>>8882737
>saying you can't upscale isn't an argument
>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO
>Retrotink
>Real upscaling
Try again, anon. You KNOW emulation is superior. Stop making yourself sound dumb.

>>8882679
I genuinely haven't run into any of these problems in the games that I like to play, so it's good enough for me. And it was free!

>>8882534
OP is surely just a nintoddler

>>8882745
your pc is not free
your gpu that can run ps2 and saturn was NOT free

>>8882745
nothing about buggy software-based emulation is better than owning the actual software


saying i sound dumb, is not an argument

Do any of you guys play video games?

>>8882759
no we just argue about which way is the shittiest to play them

>>8882524
It's nice to have something that plugs into your TV and isn't another PC.

>>8882758
Why don't you play Elden Ring on a PS2?

>>8882765
the ps5 exists

>>8882758
Why don't you own a PC, anon?
>nothing about buggy software-based emulation is better than owning the actual software
The argument isn't against original hardware, it's against MiSTer and FPGA.

>>8882781
A PS5 isn't free.

>>8882792
neither is elden ring

>>8882761
The argument that MAME sucks is especially funny to me. I've played hours and hours of games in MAME and had a blast, and Fightcade is almost too good to be true considering I can play fighting games with friends who live out of town for free.

why do you care enough to make MiSTer shitpost threads, being anti-fpga or whatever?

why do you care if people have fun?
its like even more cringe than caring what phone people use

>>8882808
>ELDEN-RING-PLAZA.torrent
Not true.

>>8882813
All I want to hear is "Yeah, it's not as good as original hardware and emulation give you more benefits for free...but I still like it."

>>8882823
You are not going to hear that from MiSTer posters on /vr/.

>>8882823
emulation doesn't magically convert itself to 240p and AV signal

like REPLICATED 1:1 hardware

>>8882812

>>8882848
You don't have to play at 240p on a CRT.
In fact, most MiSTer owners play it through HDMI on a HDTV, anon.

>>8882857
>most mister owners ignore the iO features lmao
source: my ass

>>8882860
Prove me wrong. Every video and review of MiSTer shows it on modern displays.

>>8882865
SO THEY CAN CAPTURE THE FOOTAGE YOU MONGOLOID

what do you want them to do? film a crt?

>>8882870
I obviously mean offscreen. You can totally take offscreen CRT footage.

>>8882875
its not practical
however i will mention that the MiSTer does hdmi and composite at the same time

so you can capture footage while playing on a non-shit monitor

>>8882860
Stop pretending RGB/SCART-over-HDMI faggots don't flock to the FPGA. Just look at all the reddit setups.

>>8882853
Oh hey I'm in this pic

look man, i answered 100% honestly
the MiSTer project is far from perfect,
and still gets worked on quite often -
people all over the world submit cores.

for me, i use it because emulation on modern displays doesn't look right no matter how many settings i tweak or filters i apply

the crt powers on & the de-10 is ready in under 5 seconds - you are shredding neogeo CD, sega cd, and pc engine cd titles

It's true.

>>8882548
RetroArch already has all of this

>>8884395
ok?

>>8882813
Sour grapes and self validation. Dude probably saw the 2 hour MiSTer video of MLiG where they do nothing but praise it and seethed.

>>8884395
FPGA is better than software emulation. Sorry if you don't understand why.

>>8885351
Jokes on you, RetroArch isn't even an emulator.

>>8885351
>FPPGA is great because... It just is, okay?!

>>8885394
sorry man.

>>8882524
they falsely believe the FPGA becomes the bare metal of the shitty old consoles and not just reverse engineered approximations of their functionality

I'm going to get a DE-10 nano, never use the FPGA, run Nesticle inside DOSBox on the ARM chip, and output to a 4K OLED over RF. That way everyone will be equally annoyed.

>>8882548
>>frame accurate cycles
Peak dunning kruger right here

>>8885529
reverse engineered approximations that behave extremely similar to the bare metal, yes.

>>8885745
Just like emulators

>>8885776
Audio latency tho.

>>8882539
>He's not wrong assuming you only care about playing two or three consoles on the MiSTer.

I generally think MiSTer is best for arcade approximation. But for most consoles, Emulation works just fine. FPGA is good for accuracy, though.

>>8885529
You can connect a real game boy or super game boy though, perfect compatibility with real hardware console, MISTer is the only platform that can do it.

I just like flexing on poorfags.

>>8887134
>has all original hardware in your path

>>8887151
Stop lying.

>>8887153
jealous?
only one I don't have that I want is AES

>>8887156
Why would I be jealous of your 4 title Genesis coomlection? I have it all.

>>8887158

>>8886353
>Best for arcade
>Good for accuracy
>CV1K on MAME: slightly inaccurate but playable
>CV1K on FPGA: Doesn't exist

>>8882524
mister cores aren't emulation, that's why.

>>8887284
yeah they are

>>8887289
Nope

>>8887297
Yep

>>8887308
They aren't.

>>8887284
Hardware emulation is emulation.

>>8887316
>Hardware emulation
Again, it's not emulation.

>>8887312
They are

>>8885351
FPGA runs in Parallel like original hardware. That is enough reason to prefer it. Emulation is fine for many scenarios but for anything up to N64 FPGA is nice to have.

>>8887318
I dont think you understand what the word emulation means.

>>8887340
That's not what parallelism is.

>>8887343
Do you? Because it's not emulation.

>>8887346
>em·u·late
>/ˈemyəˌlāt/
>verb
>reproduce the function or action of (a different computer, software system, etc.).
so anon care to enlighten us as to why the mister is not emulation?

>>8887351
>reproduce
that's your problem

>>8887352
oh hahaha so what you're saying is it can't even do that right. hilarious

>>8887362
Why do you have such strong feelings about something you will never own?

>>8887364
I dont I'm just correcting you on the definition of words. why would I own a mister when I own original hardware anyway.

>>8887368
>why would I own a mister when I own original hardware anyway.
So why do you have such strong feelings about something you will never own?

>>8882857
>>8882865
Suck my dick you fucking faggot.

>>8887345
What is not what parallelism is?

>>8887370
I told you I don't I'm just correcting you on the definition of emulation.

>>8887379
Simulating logic with programmable logic elements. Nobody describes it that way. You just sound ignorant.

>>8887284
why do you guys lie so much it still emulates original hardware by the fact it is changing its function per console and can be updated
if it wasn't it would run without updates to cores

>>8887390
>emulates original hardware
Wrong
it becomes original hardware

>>8887391
for fuck sakes retard you are hopeless

>>8887393
literally the whole point of an fpga
fuck off retard

>>8887391
It really doesn't. You don't actually know how FPGAs operate.

>>8887397
it literally does

>>8887395
the whole point of an fpga is to emulate things you fucking moron. copying what something does is emulation no matter how it achieves it. technically clone consoles are emulations of the original. technically hardware revisions are as well. it just depends how autistic you want to get but you're wrong here.

>>8882524
I just want to fuck around with FPGA stuff. It's fun for me.

Why do I do it at all rather than a PC though is because I have my main PC in my office, but for a lot of old games I like to sit on my couch while playing so I bought a cheap Pi to put in there since it does most stuff reasonably well.

>>8887412
no it's not, going the whole opposite direction is dumb
hardware revisions are just that, clones are just that
if Mister stayed as a single console it would be classified as a clone so Clone Console Emulation sounds more apt

>>8882641
PC emulation sucks because the audio and video hardware on a pc in un-synchronized. Emulators require perfect audio/video sync, and the workarounds a really horrible.

>>8887284
They are technically emulation. However, the word emulator in common usage typically refers to software emulation. It would be best just to avoid this pointless debate as its just arguing over semantics which is a total waste of time.

On a side note, a lot of the issues with software emulation is not actually the fault of the software, its the PC audio/video hardware that is the problem. With this in mind, it would actually be possible to implement a software emulator on the DE-10 that has all the advantages of FPGA by using the FPGA side just as audio and video output.

>>8887485
look, I know this is /vr/ but it's not the 90's anymore

Since this is technically a MiSTer thread, how do I open up one of these things? I'm trying to do a sync-on-green mod so I can do ypbpr (component video) over hdmi->vga->component via direct video, but I need to open the adaptor up to do so. The holes in the front are unfamiliar to me, but I'm wondering if that's how it needs to be opened, and what tool I would need to open it.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video#setup-for-ypbpr-signals

>>8882823
>"All I want to hear is a flat out lie so I can feel good about not being able to afford something better than what I can only get for free"

>>8882848
wut?

>>8886652
I suppose you're talking about connections via link cables, correct?

>>8887624
Yeah, game boy player works too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBjOG_HliE

Maybe later they will also add support to connect GBA.

>>8882524
The MiSTer provides the closest experience to the real hardware because of how it reproduces the consoles chips in parrallel, there is no overhead unlike software emulators which have to process the logic of the emulated hardware on another in sequential way.
this affect how stuff is rendered on the display, the timing and the controller response.
There are many other factors affecting the experience. Even if your PC is able to run mkst of these emulators hundred or thousand times faster than fhe original hardware.
DESU, it is perfectly fine to play with emulators, as more platforms up the PS3 and Switch are totally playable on a good pc where PS1 is pushing fhe MiSTer to its limits.
Retroarch Run ahead feature allow reducing input lag and it works pretty well reducing the need to own the real stuff in regard to input lag.Unfortunately, the feature breaks some game because of how it is implemented.
I still play on both emulators and my MiSTer.
MiSTer provide the better experience but is it justifying the high price? it depends. if you just want to run few games for nostalgy few hours a month, emulators are better.
If you the exact same experience of real hardware but do not have the time or the space or the money, the MiSTer is the best investment.

>>8887535
Can't believe I forgot to post the image.

>>8888260
If there are no obvious screws under any stickers or crevices you are likely going to have to pry it open and hope it isn't glued shut.

>>8882524
PC doesn't output to a CRT without converters that add tons of latency and LCD looks like shit even with a billion shaders

>>8882524
>original hardware and a CRT for a fraction of the price?
MISTer is cheaper than PCE

>>8888280
Yeah no one who makes this argument has looked at the price of getting started with Neo Geo.

>>8888278
Have you any proof that converters add latency. Because they should not unless it was done on purpose. Latency = memory, memory = cost. Why would the designer put a frame buffer into the converter if its not needed? HDMI/DVI are 1:1 directly convertible to VGA without any kind of buffering whatsoever.

>>8888315
>Have you any proof that converters add latency. Because they should not unless it was done on purpose. Latency = memory, memory = cost.

That's not how that works. That's not how any of that works. The conversion process itself can have a delay.

There are literally thousands of videos on the latency of digital/analog converters, you could have spent 10 seconds Googling it instead of making up bullshit and insisting there is no proof.

>>8888321
The whole point of transcoders (which is the only thing you'd need in addition to a VGA-compatible graphics card) is that they add negligible latency.

>>8888360
No, the whole point of them is to transcode.

>>8888278
What connector do you want, VGA, S-Video or Analog DVI?

It's easy to hook up to a CRT. Takes up less space than keeping a bunch of consoles hooked up. It's compatible with light guns and other peripherals. It's cheaper than even just a neo geo + flashcart, not to even mention all the other libraries it plays. No audio or input delay. Little fiddling, just werks

I don't, seems like a pretty cool little device to me

>>8888278
Even cards as late as the GTX 780 has Analog DVI that can be converted pin-to-pin, lag-free to VGA.

>>8888370
Right, and an analog transcoder does not need any buffering to transcode.

>>8888381
GTX 980 does too.

>>8888386
Buffers aren't the only thing that add latency you buffoon

>>8888395
Please tell me where in an RGBHV->YPbPr transcoder latency is introduced.

>>8888381
>>8888389
same with a GTX 970.

>>8888371
None of those connect to a TV retard

>>8888373
Great selection of gamepads and nice screen. This is everything a man needs.

>>8888418
s-video connects to my tv :)

>>8888397
The part where HDMI/Displayport is not RGBHV, or analog at all, and the part where modern GPUs don't output analog signals anymore.

I'm talking about digital to analog conversions, you know, like how anyone here without a GPU from more than a decade ago would need to do to output to a CRT.

>>8888418
What this anon said >>8888425
And almost all CRT monitors have VGA input. Like this one.

>>8888428
Nobody but you is talking about that shit.

>>8888428
The GTX 980 Ti is only 7 years old and it has analog DVI output.

>>8888437
Sorry, I should have known not to use common sense. How stupid of me to expect in 2022 that when talking about connecting a modern computer to a CRT, it would be a digital to analog conversion. I will remember not to try to have sane requirements next time.

>>8888438
*Only* 7....

>>8888470
It was stated explicitly several times that we're talking about graphics cards with analog output built in. Kill yourself illiterate twat.

>>8888474
Follow the whole thread and it starts with >>8888278 who makes no mention of specifically using analog cards, only mentioning that a PC would not output to a CRT, and that was in reply to the OP who also made no mention of specifically using old outdated GPUs with analog outputs. The OP only mentioned using the original hardware on a CRT.

Nowhere in that reply chain was there an explicit mention of GPUs that still do analog, that was another poster going on a tangent after the initial claim of converters not adding latency. When the issue of converters was brought up, there was no mention of older GPUs with analog in the reply chain.

>>8888425
Good to know
Thanks friend
You're all right

>>8888484
>Follow the whole thread and it starts with >>8888278 who makes no mention of specifically using analog cards
Now read the rest of the posts in the chain and the rest of the replies to that post.
Fag.

>>8888497
Now try not ignoring that when you made that converts have no lag comment those side-replies that mentioned analog cards that are nearly a decade old didn't exist yet and realize that you are backpedaling to refuse to admit you were being an ignorant asshat, retard.

>>8888503
You haven't been talking to him for a long time.

>>8888506
And I should give a damn which one you are when you were trying to make the same argument anyway?

>>8888515
If you think that you are confirming you cannot read.

>>8888518
All you have confirmed is that you are a retard

>Own both a Mister and use software emulation about equally
Why not both?
My Mister is great for connecting to a CRT and playing on the couch with a simple controller driven interface, and solves any and all input and audio latency issues.
And software emulation has tons of it's own benefits.

>>8887204
>>CV1K on FPGA: Doesn't exist
God I wish it did. But the CV1K is just too much hardware for the Mister's FPGA to handle. The SH-3 CPU is a beefy chip with a relatively high transistor count that would never fit.

>>8888556
The benefits of MiSTer over software emulators are marginal for the time being. Most people own something they can run conventional emulators on, so the MiSTer just looks needless.

>>8888563
Native 480i/240p output with no input+audio latency and the ability to use the original controllers with it makes it a nice multi console replacement.
Again, both options have their benefits, there is literally nothing wrong with software emulation if you just want to use that.

>>8888572
You can get native res and low latency with software emulators too, but it does require jumping through some hoops. I can see the convenience advantage there. Plus, being able to use original peripherals is unique to MiSTer. I can see a good reasons to use it and not to use it.

>>8888583
>Plus, being able to use original peripherals is unique to MiSTer. I can see a good reasons to use it and not to use it.
Its fucking rad to be able to use my light guns again.

>>8888590
Really?
Most good lightgun games are 5th and 6th gen

>>8888583
>I can see a good reasons to use it and not to use it.

It's definitely a niche thing, but yes it also has it's advantages and disadvantages over software emulation. It's great if you want the absolute most accuracy possible and/or compatibility with the actual hardware and compatibility with analog screens. For people who just want a cheap Pi to place next to their TV and don't care if there are some wrong graphics, some latency and input lag, or for control just using some 8bitdo controller for every system, or even only want to emulate an SNES or so, not so much.

Me personally I do want to build one, it's going to be much less space taken up and much cheaper than having all the actual consoles as well as having a good HDMI output for all of them. I still have my actual consoles too, but I certainly don't have everdrives for all of them nor do I have a good way to get anything beyond composite for most of them without expensive hardware mods. And that's just the major systems from Nintendo, Sega, and Sony. I don't have anything from the less popular systems like Neo-Geo, TurboGrafix, etc as well as computer systems like an AppleII, Commodore64, MSX, and even 486 DOS games. Dealing with old computers is a mess, especially ones that were not essentially just a console with a set hardware configuration like a C64 and could have various parts, configurations, and expansions like DOS systems.

Just a shame that Nintendo64 support is pretty much impossible to fit on the FPGA, I would have liked it to at least support everything up to the fifth gen, especially with how iffy N64 emulation still is today, but at least we are getting Saturn and PS1.

How do you switch between consoles with the MiSTer? Do you need to wait for the FPGA to reprogram? How long does it take?

>>8888692
>wrong graphics
Even this is a thing of the past desu. The platforms which MiSTer supports haveexcellent software emulation offerings.

Agree with the rest of the post.

>>8882524
>get original hardware and a CRT for a fraction price
This is becoming less and less true as the years goes on

>>8888694
>How do you switch between consoles with the MiSTer?
You just simply select the core in the menu
>How long does it take?
Its basically instant. Cores take about 1 to 2 seconds to load and already be at their menu to load roms, whatever.

>>8889053
Wow. Ok now I'm interested. Especially for all those old computers. Thanks for the info friend.

>>8888692
The nice thing about MiSTer is it's ultimately not locked in to the DE10 Nano. If a future better platform came out at a reasonable price everything being done now would be ported over. We'd probably get Nintendo DS support and N64 support on any such new platform. Beyond that, the benefits of FPGA compared to traditional software emulation become negligible. Hybrid emulation with FPGA doing some low level tasks is probably the best you'll ever get (or even need) for anything xbox/PS2 and beyond.

>>8889063
/vr/ rarely talks about the computer cores since they're retarded console warriors, but its really awesome for it.
The Mac Plus core is great, and runs System 4 up to 7.5 without issue. Its more stable then the emulators available out there for old 68k Macs.
Many of the computer cores can mount hard drive images, and a few of them can even use the "user" port, a USB3 housing port but is actually a generic GPIO interface, for attaching various peripherals. For example, the Amiga and 486 cores can link to a MIDI or serial interface if you wanted.
Just heads up though, some cores like the X68000 are not complete.

>>8889097
/vr/ shits on the MiSTer despite being a relatively new project that has already achieved in a short time what took emulators decades and ridiculously overpowered computers to accomplish. MiSTer core devs out here decapping chips and finding and fixing decades old emulator bugs and the people on here bitching about how useless the MiSTer is just get a raspberry pi bro. Fucking poorfags would be happy with a 1997 build of ZSNES.

>>8889097
>For example, the Amiga and 486 cores can link to a MIDI or serial interface if you wanted.
That's really amazing. Yeah I agree, the computer cores are a really underrated aspect. Most retro computers are even more expensive than consoles, as they sold less units (At a higher price) and more of a pain to set up since they require more accessories, more components to go faulty etc.

>>8889134
>/vr/ shits on the MiSTer despite being a relatively new project that has already achieved in a short time what took emulators decades
By porting those emulators.
>MiSTer core devs out here decapping chips
It happens a lot less than it should for an FPGA-based platform.
> and fixing decades old emulator bugs
These fixes are backported.

>>8889097
Huh, I might get into /vr/ computers this way. Sounds like a fun new hobby.

>>8889139
>By porting those emulators.
no by making new emulators to understand the hardware first. I'll give you that the SNES core was based on Beros BSNES but that thing was very well documented it might as well have been an FPGA netlist.
>It happens a lot less than it should for an FPGA-based platform.
When its necessary it happens. It's a long and tedious process. It's not necessary every time.
>These fixes are backported.
You're welcome

>>8889134
ok but is mister as good as hardware? why should i buy an expensive as fuck mister?

>>8889097
Based. Good luck getting a Jupiter ACE to try out when they sell for literally thousands and almost never even get listed because they're rare as fuck. Many more machines like this that now have MiSTer cores. They're doing great work preserving these machines for future generations to play around with.

>>8889163
>ok but is mister as good as hardware
original hardware? For the most part, yes. Instead of having a reddit tier kallax shelf of consoles and computers, you can have an easily portable tiny device that has dual mode vga/hdmi output that clones most hardware almost perfectly. There are bug fixes to be sure, features like save states aren't available in every core for example.

MiSTer is expensive, yet you're talking about original hardware. When you say original hardware do you mean the console and original game cartridges? If you don't own them, that's going to be more expensive. If you have to get a flash cartridge, then you're halfway to using a MiSTer anyways since those are FPGA based and MiSTer eliminates the need for cartridges it just runs ROMS and CHD's and ISO's. Then do you want to add an HDMI or RGB mod to your original hardware? Those mods are also based on FPGA's. You're just adding lipstick to a pig, when MiSTer, FPGA based, does a wide variety of consoles and computers and arcade games in FPGA. But I got my MiSTer when it was still very cheap and easy to get, a few years back. I don't regret it. I own original hardware and I keep it on a shelf in the original box in the basement. Because its not necessary.

why doesn't someone put an fpga on a pci card? seriously would be sick for some legacy support.

>>8889185
What for?

>>8889184
>flash carts are halfway to using a mister anyways
come on man, you cant say shit like this if you're trying to convince anyone. are you going to say not using a crt is halfway to emulation too?
literally spat my coffee out when i read that. what a joke
i dont really see anything i can play on a mister. i dont see why you have such a complex about owning consoles either. so weird

>>8889184
>If you have to get a flash cartridge, then you're halfway to using a MiSTer
You're right. And I'm already almost exclusively using flash carts because original games are getting way too fucking expensive. If you want to get more than one or two systems, the price of flash carts alone will match the price of a MiSTer.

>>8889197
>come on man, you cant say shit like this if you're trying to convince anyone.
You're using an FPGA if you're using a Flash cartridge. You're probably using an FPGA if you're modding your system for RGB or HDMI. Just stay mad that your investment is ultimately unnecessary and potentially worthless as anything but a museum piece.
>i dont really see anything i can play on a mister.
then you're blind.
> i dont see why you have such a complex about owning consoles either. so weird
I own consoles. I bought them super cheap at thrift stores and craigslist years ago. boxed up in the basement. They are a nice thing to look at but unnecessary and inconvenient to have plugged in. Why do I need to set up a fire trap like the Sega 32X and Sega CD with three power bricks? The MiSTer does them all. Without the need for any flash cartridges or CD's. Can even access everything over the network share with RetroNAS. Can't do that with your original hardware.

>>8889196
legacy support, can you not fucking read?

>>8889218
PCI FPGA cards exist, but there's no cheap one that people are willing to commit to as a standard platform right now. Who knows that might be a future option for MiSTer.

>>8889217
>weird insults for no reason
What did I do to offend you?
I dunno man you're not really convincing me. Saying that using a flash cart is basically using a MISTER.
It seems like you're arguing in bad faith.
I don't really care about rgb mods or hdmi mods either way.
and I don't even use a flash cart, and no i havent bought cartridges either. i just find them.

>>8889217
but i want LESS things connected to a network not more.

>>8889217
>then you're blind
Can you please just suggest some games? Isn't that the point of this board? To talk about games? But nobody wants to fucking discuss any.
What are some mister games? I dont get it

>>8889218
You mean like emulating old add-in cards?

>>8887402
It literally emulates the target hardware. It's an emulation machine.

>>8889234
>weird insults for no reason
babbys first time on 4chan?
>I dunno man you're not really convincing me. Saying that using a flash cart is basically using a MISTER.
I said It's half way to using a MiSTer. You see, there are two components to playing a game. The console, and the game. You're recreating the game hardware in FGPA when you run it using a Flash cartridge. More power to you, but if you're running a game with a Flash Cartridge and an FPGA modded console, you just have no right to criticise the MiSTer for just recreating everything on the FPGA.
>It seems like you're arguing in bad faith.
Go back to plebbit
>and I don't even use a flash cart, and no i havent bought cartridges either. i just find them.
hah ok. Well people who like MiSTer don't have as much faith that they'll "just find" find a working CPS2 arcade cabinet or Neo Geo machine or entire NES or SNES library.
>>8889242
>Can you please just suggest some games? Isn't that the point of this board? To talk about games? But nobody wants to fucking discuss any.
You can play games from any Console, Computer, or Arcade Machine that MiSTer currently has cores for and that you have roms of. Plenty of other threads with game suggestions. I didn't start this thread.
>>8889240
Well you don't have to connect it to a network I guess if you don't want to?

>>8888187
You're very confused about most of what you typed.

>>8889246
anything really. old pics, game consoles, industrial controls.

>>8889270
but what are some cool mister games?can you please show me some? like whats a /vr/ computer? i seriously dont understand why that sso complex

>>8889283
Anything that's not an add-in card could just as easily be a discrete board.

>>8889269
It BECOMES the target hardware retard
It's not the same

>>8889374
Becomes is not really the ideal word. Replicates would be better, using logic elements on a reconfigurable chip. For all intents and purpose you could say it becomes like the original hardware, but it doesn't become the hardware itself, it is a recreation.

>>8889384
They often use software emulators as reference for the cores. It's effectively low level emulation.
This idiot thinks they transform into the original chip like optimus prime.

>>8889287
https://kotaku.com/and-now-the-ultimate-retro-gaming-device-1847608362
read this, learn what a MiSTer FPGA is, then ask stupid questions. That's like asking what games you can play on the Polymega. If it's a /vr/ relevant console or computer then there's a 90% chance the MiSTer can run the game.

>>8889394
>They often use software emulators as reference for the cores
untrue

>>8889401
i already know what a mister fpga is, i just want to hear what you're playing but not in a snobby way like im not accusing you of not playing games. like what are some /vr/ computers games that you play

>>8889403
I wouldn't say it's untrue. They do use knowledge gained from software emulation research. Why wouldn't you? It's documentation of original hardware. What they don't do is take the emulator and somehow rewrite it to FPGA. They take the knowledge of the chips the emulators have documented and use that to recreate the chips in FPGA. They don't always do this, the preferred method is decapping, and there are many other methods in use.

>>8889405
i want to call you a faggot but that retard keeps responding to you so good job

Having bought a Mister first, I didn't value it nearly enough until I tried to hook up my PC to a TV, what a pain. The analog IO board is a godsend and I'm definitely not getting rid of it for Saturd.

>>8889097
x68k being incomplete is an understatement.

>>8889408
>the preferred method is decapping
You just proved yourself wrong you stupid faggot

>>8889420
Throwing a baby tantrum isn't a substitute for an argument.

>>8889097
>the Amiga and 486 cores can link to a MIDI or serial interface if you wanted.
im sold

>>8889425
genuine retard
fuck off, you're just made you can't afford it

>>8882823
Imagine being so assmad about a onetime $400-500 purchase for one of the best things to happen to retro gaming in a long time.

>>8889405
>i already know what a mister fpga is, i just want to hear what you're playing but not in a snobby way like im not accusing you of not playing games. like what are some /vr/ computers games that you play
Most recently I was playing the Donkey Kong arcade core, I played some Pengo arcade core as well. I like to play homebrew NES games off itch.io like Bobl. Oh I played some Bubble Bobble arcade as well recently.

>>8889420
I said it's preferred not that it's most likely. Learn yourself some basic comprehension.

>Play game on GBA + Flashcart
>Remove SD card from flashcart
>Pop it on the MiSTer
>Plug GBA on it as a controller
>Run script to mount the save files, select game and continue playing on TV

I love the MiSTer so much bros.

>>8889445
yeah yeah keep backpeddling you stupid bitch
list cores that are derivative of software emulators

>>8889394
Look up how many cycle accurate software emulators are there. Now imagine that every core on MiSTer is cycle accurate by default simply because it's FPGA. Let your mind wrap around that for a moment.

>>8889454
the best part is it matches the exact refresh of the gba so you don't get that annoying dropped frame like on most emulators, GBplayer or even the ips mods.

>>8888260
Seems you pop these open by the port sides.

https://hw-by-design.blogspot.com/2018/07/fixing-displayport-to-vga-adapter.html
http://www.karosium.com/2012/09/random-teardowns-chinese-hdmi-to-vga.html

Report back with your progress.

>>8889434
>he keeps crying
If you have no idea what you're talking about, sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>8889462
So now you're pretending all mister cores are cycle accurate? It's fine to enjoy the mister, I'm glad you like it, but stop spreading lies about the thing.

>>8889494
Friend, look up what cycle accuracy means, then just think about how FPGAs work. It should be obvious. They might not be 100% accurate, but cycle accuracy is a standard.

>>8889504
>Friend, look up what cycle accuracy means
I'm well aware of what it means, now you post some fucking benchmarks or stop foaming at the mouth.

>>8889494
Here retard, educate yourself:

https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Emulation_accuracy

> The only chip accurate emulators that are currently usable run on Field Programmable Gate Arrays, or FPGAs, which are essentially custom programmable chips. Machines dedicated to this type of emulation exist, such as the Analogue NT Mini by kevtris or the RetroUSB AVS by bunnyboy. Other examples of chip accurate emulation can be found in flash carts such as the SD2SNES, where various add-on chips are emulated on the included FPGA.

>>8889134
> MiSTer core devs out here decapping chips and finding and fixing decades old emulator bugs
Best part is that these usually lead to emulators implementing these fixes as well. Even if you did not want an MiSTer, people who only used emulators were directly benefiting from the project.

>>8889185
I've heard there are infact FPGA PCI cards, but they are insanely expensive. Only reason MiSTer took off was because the DE-10 Nano was heavily discounted by intel.

>>8889510
Still no figures about cycle accuracy in most cores, it's almost as if they simply aren't, at least not yet.
The cores are as accurate as the person writing them can manage. You sure sound confident about how ignorant and stupid you are.

>>8889508
Ok, so you know what cycle accuracy means. As you know, it just means every component is being emulated individually and synchronized at a clock speed. In FPGA you can implement every component to run in parallel, so cycle accuracy is extremely easy to achieve.

Software emulators are sequential, so they work as a huge snapshot of what the console is doing at each clock cycle, and the instructions must be sequential. It's why there's audio lag in emulators they can't generate video and audio at the same time, unlike FPGAs which can run stuff in parallel. Hence why it's extremely hard to achieve cycle accuracy in this fashion and why so few emulators strive for it.

This doesn't mean FPGA is highly accurate by default, as the actual software quality is another thing altogether, but cycle accuracy is a given.

>>8889460
>derivative of software emulators yet somehow fixing decades old bugs from software emulators.
why do you even bother

>own original hardware
>still prefer emulating for dat widescreen patches, 8x+ resolution etc
it doesn't bug me if you hate it. i already played games "as they are meant to be" when they were originally released. i think its awesome to see old games with better graphics and stuff like ps1 games without wobbly walls

>>8889515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt3WyfMffX0&t=30m14s

Pretty good at summing up how FPGAs work.

>>8889197
>are you going to say not using a crt is halfway to emulation too?
Yes. Not using CRT on games designed for it absolutely destroys the experience.

How is the sound reproduction on MiSTer? Will it sound as good as real hardware? I love the sound of retro chips

>>8889603
Highly accurate, all cores match real hardware sound as evidenced by MDFourier tests

i just want a mister for shmups. how much is that going to cost

>>8882524
>emulation handhelds
Really? The idea of portability confuses you that much? Why do you think they made handhelds in the first place?

>>8889609
DE10-Nano current price on terrasic website $210 or $175 if you have educational discount.
+ 128 RAM module. ($65) .. I'd get the USB hub off aliexpress ($25) and then you're good. Maybe get a 3D printed case find someone locally to print it for $20 maybe. Guess around $350 for a digital only option

>>8889648
welp time to kill myself i guess. that is outrageous

>>8889653
Good stuff costs money, who would've thought

>>8889603
It won’t sound the same but it will sound clearer

>>8889607
>>8889684
Thanks for the info

>>8889657
dont be a dickhead

>>8889648
What do I need to plug it into a CRT TV? I looked at the analog out board but it only has VGA

>>8889695
what's the problem?

>>8889483
That worked! I just had to pry it out with a thin flat screwdriver. Thanks for the links!

>>8889697
For the IO board, all you need is a VGA->SCART or VGA->component cable, and to tweak the ini settings. It should already output in the correct signal.

For direct video (through HDMI) you need an hdmi to vga adapter with an ag6200/ag6201 chip in it (I don't know which ones do though), and the VGA->SCART cable. For VGA->Component, you need to do an additional. sync-on-green mod on the VGA cable, soldering some components on the cable. Of course, you need to tweak the ini file for this.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video#direct-video

>>8889751
To clarify, the sync-on-green mod needs to be done on the HDMI->VGA adapter, NOT the VGA->component cable.

>>8889734
Cool. Post the mod when you get it done.

>>8889185
fpga on a pci card is of limited use as the worst aspects of a modern computer are the gpu and sound card.

>>8889751
Sounds good. Thanks for the link.

>>8889784
you can do s-video or composite with more cores as well with antonia V adapter

this is what i used the most
i hate playing ugly hdmi

>>8889762
I'll post it when I finish. The thing is that I haven't even started it. The adapter in the pics before was actually a mini-DP to VGA adapter, but the HDMI->VGA adapter I'm eyeing uses the same chasis, so I wanted to make sure such a case was possible to open first. Now I have to purchase the cable and pray that it works with the DE-10 Nano, then carry out the mod. I also hope it doesn't have any glue on the soldier points or wires, like the one I just opened did.

>>8889805
I think they're all glued.

>>8889853
Good thing I have a hot air gun to get it off then.

>>8889653
shoulda bought it in 2018 like me instead of listening to emulation fags and kevtris personal army. Still cheaper than a Polymega. Cheaper than buying many of the consoles and games and / or flash cartridges.

Building an ipad monitor for my MiSTer now the latter has fairly robust support for 1536p.
Anyone who's assembled one know if the driver board comes with a heatsink? Getting mixed reports, and I worry since the chip seems to be rated only for 1080p, and I'm not sure how much space there'd be in a VESA-mount case.

>>8889761
You don't need SoG though. You can just use RGBS

>>8890457
>Anyone who's assembled one know if the driver board comes with a heatsink?
I haven't bought one yet myself but from the images I've seen I'd say no heat sink.

>>8890610
>You don't need SoG though. You can just use RGBS
For YPBPR component?

>>8882524
I don't think the question is worth an answer.
Technically speaking you can use one of those dell office computers to do a lot of things that they won't admit are possible.

I'd buy one of those things if I could think of a reason that it was necessary. I have the consoles and games, I don't give a shit.

>>8890632
Thanks.
Guess I'll order a low-height one and pray it fits.

>>8889084
True, but the problem is FPGAs are very expensive. The only reason MiSTer even exists at a price pint not double what it does now is because the DE-10 Nano board that uses the Cyclone V FPGA chip the MiSTer is built around is heavily subsized. There are already much more powerful FPGAs... if you didn't mind the MiSTer costing at least $1000 if not on par with a high-end gaming PC.

And using the ARM CPU for hybrid emulation is missing the whole point of the MiSTer, might as well just use a Raspberry Pi for much much cheaper at that point. Not to mention how hard it will be to make cores that split major sections of the system across the FPGA and ARM. You could do it for something like, just emulating the CD subsystem of a console on ARM and the rest on the FPGA, but splitting the CPU or GPU that way, or even part OF the CPU or GPU itself would be a nightmare, not to mention again, missing the whole point of MiSTer.

>>8889408
Well, depends what that knowledge is. If it's something along the lines of "This is how I wrote/fixed this part in software" then yeah, not very helpful.

If it's more like "This my documentation of how this chip/aspect of the hardware works" then yes, that would be very helpful. That's basically what kind of information people want to find out when decapping anyway.

>>8889418
>The analog IO board is a godsend and I'm definitely not getting rid of it for Saturd.

We don't really know how much Saturn will require dual-RAM or not. PS1 used to require is, but now it does not other than to take audio emulation accuracy from like 99% accurate to 99.99% accurate... and that's still on an alpha core. Unlike PS1 he dev of the Saturn core isn't releasing alphas or betas and wants to wait until it's ready.

>>8889607
What about MiDi sound emulation using a MT-32 Pi hat? How's the accuracy on that? Not too keen on it having to use a Pi as a software emulation daughterboard just for MiDi but the DE-10 is apparently not up to the task on it's own

>>8891287
> using the ARM CPU for hybrid emulation is missing the whole point
No, just using FPGA for sound and video is still a massive advantage over general purpose machines.

>>8891553
Lol?

>>8891649
With a FPGA you have complete control of audio and video timings so you can have perfect synchronization between the two at the correct frame rate and sample rate. This custom video hardware can also expose its line timing directly to the cpu side, so you can have true zero latency audio and video, as you can have the software emulation run lock-step with the video scan out line by line.

>>8882745
>Ill call him dumb, that means i win the arguement!

Fuckin woman logic.

>>8889418
Yeah, PCs are a mess. I have one hooked to my TV that I only use for Steam these days. Emulation is garbage. Programs can just crash out of nowhere and the behavior is never consistent.

>>8889097
You don't really understand how MiSTer "becomes" the machine it's running until you get to the old computer cores. It's surreal how it reconfigures itself and behaves exactly like the real thing.

>>8882524
I turn my CRT and my mister. Wait 5 seconds and it is ready.

PC, load fucking windows/linux, open emulator with mouse and keyboard, move the app to the CRT (if you want to use a CRT), then pick up the controller and play the game. Also, a lot of fucking noise and energy just to play it.

I know MiSTer isn't perfect, neither the analogue consoles but I am fine with that, I want a quick way to boot games without too many quirks/glitches.

>inb4 why not a raspberry pi then?
It is too laggy still connected to a CRT.

By the way, I really hate that I need to open the OSD to save my games.

>>8892134
>It is too laggy still connected to a CRT.
It’s not
>By the way, I really hate that I need to open the OSD to save my games.
Not sure what that even means
My PC also starts under 10 seconds so that’s not an issue

>>8882602
Who is paying?

>>8882602
Check this guy out, he knows there are people taking a cut of the patreon money to come shill a project on 4chan.

>>8893516
This is what Pifags believe, that there is some rich organization out there trying to push what they think is just a Pi clone at a high price and that they pay people to shill for it.

>>8893627
I would love for the rPi foundation to make an FPGA/rPi hybrid board. Especially if it had multiple IO so you could have multiple boards and use one for the console and one for the cartridge and connect them together easily. Especially if you could use it to do hybrid emulation for later systems like N64 and PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast.

>>8891287
>What about MiDi sound emulation using a MT-32 Pi hat? How's the accuracy on that? Not too keen on it having to use a Pi as a software emulation daughterboard just for MiDi but the DE-10 is apparently not up to the task on it's own
It's not that it's not up to the task, it's that theres not enough room on the FPGA side to add it, and the ARM side of the DE10 is too weak, though it can be done but its not ideal.

The nice thing about the MT32-Pi is that it runs in a bare metal environment. So it runs directly as possible on the hardware without any overhead. It also integrates well with the MiSTer, and since you have a MiSTer, you can reuse your now otherwise unnecessary pi.. win-win

>>8893765
>It's not that it's not up to the task, it's that theres not enough room on the FPGA side to add it, and the ARM side of the DE10 is too weak, though it can be done but its not ideal.

Doesn't that count as not up to the task? From my understanding there isn't enough processing power left on the ARM side to emulate MiDi on the 486 core, though it can barely do it on some weaker computer cores. Trying to do it on 486 without a Pi has stuttering audio from the DE-10 not being able to keep up.

>>8889510
>The only chip accurate emulators
>emulators
Btw, you were talking cycle accuracy, which is not the same thing

>>8893921
It could do it if it was focused solely on doing it, but it can't do it and run the MiSTer framework and run cores at the same time. So to say the DE10-Nano isn't up to the task is technically inaccurate.

>>8893960
I don't feel it's inaccurate. Nobody is talking about ONLY emulating a MiDi device and nothing else. Obviously the entire point of doing it on the MiSTer is to emulate a MiDi device while playing a game for the games that supported it.

That's like saying that technically the MiSTer can do N64 emulation... if you are talking about 100% software emulation on it's ARM CPU and not using the FPGA at all.

>>8893973
you're saying the DE10-Nano can't do MIDI. Sure it can. The MiSTer FPGA can do it too, but it's far from ideal and it's better to pass it off to a dedicated device for best results.
>That's like saying that technically the MiSTer can do N64 emulation... if you are talking about 100% software emulation on it's ARM CPU and not using the FPGA at all.
Sure technically it can do N64 emulation. Perfectly true. But easier to not say anything rather than confuse people with technicalities.

Should I buy a second DE10?
Kinda want one to consoleify.

>>8893979
I feel you are intentionally just trying to argue semantics. Pretty much the only reason anyone builds a MiSTer is to play games using FPGA cores. Nobody would buy an expensive FPGA board and then further expensive addon boards just to use it like the equivalent of a weak Pi2 or to only use it as a MiDi device without playing games with MiDi support.

Just like how you admit nobody would argue "Well, technically it can play N64" because nobody would buy and build such a thing just to use the 800Mhz ARM CPUJ only that isn't even on par with a Pi2, much less a Pi4. Nobody is going to emulate MiDI on it without the MiDi running at the same time as a computer game. So it's pretty misguided to argue that it can technically handle MiDi on it's own without a Pi daughterboard. Under the circumstanced of how much essentially 100% of people who use a DE-10 board to build a MiSTer would use it, that being playing computer games with MiDi at the same time, it cannot.

>>8888692
At some point, just getting a n64 and a flash cart is easier. there are still relatively cheap if you compare to the overpriced neogeo which one of the system that run perfectly on the MiSTer

>>8893985
Yeah, buy a second one and send it to me because I'm too poor to even afford one

>>8893985
What kind of setup do you have right now? A stacker? Some random bits and a RAM board? Something specific like a Jamma-compatible board to plug it into an arcade cabinet?

I have been looking into the Multisystem since it's cheaper than buying separate components to go the stacker route and it turns it into a nice console-like design, but it does lock me in into what is essentially the equivalent of a stacker with an analog board. That's fine for most uses, but I have no idea if the upcoming Saturn core will require dual-RAM, which you can't use with an analog board.

Made me think if I should build a second one that is stacker design but with the less often used digital board in place of the analog board since that one allows for dual-RAM if the Saturn core or any other future core ends up requiring dual-RAM.

>>8893993
Already have my childhood N64, getting it an Everdrive and an RGB/HDMI mod is one of my goals for someday. Helps that there is now an alternative to the old HDMI mod that does both RGB and HDMI at once and is more rapidly available, as well as the creator not being a dick like the original one.

>>8893985
Why?
Just get the console at that point

>>8893998
Right now I have an acrylic case with a USB hub+DE10+Analog IO sandwich. It's an eyesore because of the port layout on the MiSTer, which, fair enough, it's a learning tool not a centrepiece.
But while that multisystem seems a cool idea, I'd want a vacuum moulded case: something that looks and feels really high quality, like those clear SNES shells. Currently if I bought a new DE10, it'd probably sit in the box until something like that became available or until there's a clear answer regarding Saturn to guide/inform the decision going forwards.

>>8894006
I'm a lazy man. I just want an 'everything' box I can keep near my TV until such time we have FPGAs that'll do PS2 and Wii-tier consoles as well, because space is also always going to be a concern.

>>8893994
Can you not do a PayPal pay-in-four arrangement or something? Unless you live in South America or something in which case my condolences.

>>8893985
I love it so much that the consoomer in me wants to buy a second one in case mine dies even though it's highly unlikely

About Commodore emulation. Specifically C64 and Amiga.
I would like to hear from Anons who have original hardware and a MISTer.
Is the screen scrolling on the MISTer as good as original hardware?
I owned a C64 for 3+ years and still have an original amiga 500.
Is the MISTer as smooth scrolling as the original hardware?

>>8895106
So, It's been 2 hours and 40 minutes and nobody has real hardware and can give me an answer?
So, you're all talking bullshit.
It's just an emulator.

>>8895597
It's true, shit's a ripoff for numale faggots.

>>8895597
>>8895908
this is a slow blue board you ADHD faggot


anyways, the computer cores are the weaker aspect of the MiSTer project - most of the obscure ones have "quirks"

however
>"its a emulator lol"
once you boot up into the vintage computer core it behaves EXACTLY like the actual machine - which filters most zoomers as they dont understand you have to type to launch games


the screen refresh is basically identical
but if you are autistic about shimming your milage may vary as the scaling options are core-dependent

most of them let you change shit slightly to you suite your fancy
id say the MiSTer is miles ahead of anything in raspberry land & certainly better than the "c64 mini lol"

>>8895930
*shimmering

>>8895930
>id say the MiSTer is miles ahead of anything in raspberry land
How so?

>>8882524
Tards use MiSTer instead of your average emulator because the lack of input lag that renders Clinger Winger virtually unplayable. But then again, they could just as easily use original hardware.

>>8882562
playing PS1 games at 4K with cumstain looking sprites, no thanks pal, I'm not gay.

>>8895976
The input lag thing, or lack thereof, is undersold.
When you play on a modern TV, that adds lag. When you use a wireless controller, that adds lag. When you use a scaler box or do any kind of conversion or signal processing, that adds lag.

And the sum of this lag can make games unplayable. I tried using my Shield TV to emulate once, forgetting to set my tv to the game configuration, and was almost sick. People have different tolerances for it ultimately, but without getting into a discussion about runahead emulation or whatever, the MiSTer gets you to a starting point of 0 lag. And maybe that makes the difference to let you tolerate using a wireless controller or something.

I recently got a Mister and was confused on how to set it up, so I just put my dick on it.

>>8895106
>>8895597
It's exactly the same. There's plenty of video of MiSTer running games on the c64 core on the internet.

Find me an N64 emulator that can play Turok 3 without the godawful input delay
NOTE: Turok 3 is one of those late N64 games that heavily uses the frame buffer

>>8897079
Who cares? Just use original hardware like OP says.

>>8897092
The original N64 has the worst video of any console

>>8897102
Mod it, tranny.

>>8882524
portability.

>>8897114
that's not the original hardware then anon

>>8897267
>that's not the original hardware then anon
It is, just modified.

>>8897271
how much is modified until it stops being the original to you? Ship of Theseus situation here.

>>8897292
51%, obviously.

>>8897293
so if I kept 51% of a gamecube (including the shell) and replaced the rest of it with PC parts and it could only boot into the pc part, it'd still be a gamecube?

>>8897302
Yes. But you know that's impossible, you little bitch.

>>8897313
It's possible.

>>8897318
That's more than 51%

>>8897320
yeah but you could use a smaller computer

>>8897325
Okay.

>>8897318
Not a fan of these people who destroy some retro console to shove a Mini-ATX board in them that will be obsolete itself in a few years nd have zero retro value whatsoever. But I don't have an issue with that one that used an already broken Gamecube.