/vr/ - Retro Games

swedish fail

>>8729751
>build engine trilogy
no such thing. you might be thinking of the "great three". out of those, shadow warrior is certainly the weakest. I consider the gunplay to be redneck rampage tier.

that being said, the worst build game has to be tekwar. it's completely broken

>>8729751
Nice one putting spoiler brackets in the thread title, fuckhead

I love them all equally, like a good parent

Shadow Warrior has good texturing and level design, plus the riot gun is fun. Arguably they are all different games with their own strengths.

"build engine trilogy" is a social construct

I love all games of the legendary BUILD Trilogy

build engine trinity*

>>8729751
Ion Fury is worse. Doesn't even feel like a retro shooter it reminded me more of soldier of fortune or RTCW except way shittier than either of those two.

>>8731596
How is this possible when the game was made on the Build engine.

Blood > Duke3D > Powerslave > Shadow Warrior > Ion Fury > Redneck Rampage > Witchaven > NAM/WWII GI > TekWar > PaintBrawl

>>8731598
>fast movement and pixel graphics means that it's a retro shooter
nevermind the fact that:
>the levels are linear pathways instead of boxes that loop back on themselves
>long levels with checkpoints instead of shorter levels that are designed to be beaten without dying and having you restart the level if you die, in an effort to master and learn them.
>all your weapons are hitscan with long range, pistol, smg and shotgun do pretty much the same job, pistol can even snipe people, guess you can use the rocket launcher or crossbow if you're feeling fancy, but there's absolutely no weapon roles or any need for weapon situational awareness, especially when you can headshot the standard enemies easily with the pistol, then just pull out whatever heavy weapon you have for the bigger enemies.

>>8730650
The riot gun feels weak as hell to the point that you want to use the three round burst often to put enemies down. On the other hand the Uzi's are fucking great in Shadow Warrior. How the bullets fly out, the firing sounds, and the nice chunky, cracking, sounds that they make when the bullets impact enemies. Probably my favorite automatic weapon in older FPS.

It's less the worst and more the "least good"

Redneck Rampage for just playing like dogshit and feeling incredibly dated when it came out already. Shadow Warrior is kind of weak and I don't think it takes much advantage of it's kung-fu gimmick when they could have easily made some effort to have melee combos. Not to mention the humor in Redneck Rampage and Shadow Warrior isn't funny at all. And I don't mean in a kind of "uhhh problematic much?" kind of way. It's just not funny.

>>8731960
Uh oh, you look like you need ass kicked.

>>8731960
Agreed. They're true boomer shooters in the sense that only some truly out of touch boomer with a bit of the autism could find the humour funny.

All of them except Blood and even then Blood is overrated and kinda boring. It's not nearly as fun as Doom. Build engine kinda stinky and jank.

>>8730040
Tekwar is abysmal and yet I really would like to see it remade properly. Could have been fun.

>>8731960
>>8732000
I embrace the title of "out of touch autistic boomer" then because the fart meter in Redneck Rampage is funny, and I love some of Lo Wang's lines

EATUR DIS PENCIR DICK!
You move like a preg-a-nant Yak
ROW ROW YOUR BOAT A-GENTERY DOWN THE STREAM! OOH I TINK MY DINGY HANGING OUT!!

Screw being normal and in touch, who the hell wants that?

>>8731960
I love the "Cowagunga" delivery in Shadow Warrior. It can (rarely) be funny when you have this mental image of the noble, disciplined warrior who spent his whole life perfecting his martial art skills only to make stupid puerile sexual innuendos.

>>8729751
It is undoubtedly Shadow Warrior which is still a great game

>>8731629
this but I'd put Ion Fury over Shadow Warrior

>>8731960
Honestly of the big 3 build engine games, Caleb is the only one I find genuinely funny.

I like all of them! I can't wait for the Ion Fury expansion!!!

>>8732394
Based anon

Duke > Shadow Warrior > Blood

>>8729751
Shadow Warrior isn't a trilogy though?

>>8729756
gem

Honesty it’s probably Duke, as sacrilegious as that probably sounds. It came first so it doesn’t have the tweaks and improvements that make Shadow Warrior and Blood as good as they are

>>8737736
I played Dook after Blood and ended up liking it more

>>8737835
Eh, fair enough

>>8729751
The game is great only once you realize how to use grenades.

>build engine trilogy
Ignoring OP being a faggot, Shadow Warrior feels the least polished out of the 4 build engine games I've played through, the movement/jumping just feels too janky and I don't enjoy the aesthetics or the feel of the weapons/enemies. RNR surprisingly has the movement down but the jumping is just as bad. The Enemies are alright, and the weapons could be better but aren't as bad as they're made out to be. Gibbing pigs with dynamites and watching their giblets fly everywhere while gunning down fatties with an AK is peak fun. Duke is also good fun and the weapons are interesting, a lot of people already know how great it is. Blood is peak Build Engine and I'm still sad at what nu-Atari pulled. Fuck Atari.

>everyone's opinion of Ion Fury this low
It seemed just as good as Blood and Duke's first episodes and maintained that quality throughout. I might go nuts enough to say it's the best Build game.

>>8738789
Just like in old Build games, the first episode of Ion Fury is the best, then it becomes more and more boring, the underground complex is so fucking dull in comparison to first episode

Duke unironically

>>8738789
I think the arsenal is pretty bland, and Shelly is VERY boring as a character. Hell, Leonard is more fun.

I guess it really comes down to in what order you played them. I played Shadow Warrior after Duke 3D and the improvements it sported over Duke 3D were really impressive - I've messed with the Duke version of the Build engine so seeing the pond with transparent water in Seppuku Station was pretty amazing since this wasn't possible in Duke 3D at the time. But if you played them in release order, SW would be the last game to play and I can see how it would be fairly unimpressive after Blood. And SW came out at a time when journalists were creaming their pants over Quake and largely dismissed the game as being dated and old.

>>8738789
The first three episodes are godly. If it had spicier guns, the enemy pathfinding wasn't busted, and ep4&5 didn't have some of em perfunctory maps, it'd be godly through and through. Hopefully the expack will turn out great.