/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461-ad-mortem-a-mbf21-halloween-themed-megawad-beta/
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[12-16] Hell's Christmas, monster pack for GZDoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74168

[12-16] R-Type themed Doom mod teaser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szR9xWcg1U4

[12-14] Sunder map20 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-map20-appears-finally/

[12-14] Xmas Jam 2021 released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensions/addons/xmasjam2021

[12-12] Zandronum 3.1 is out
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10437

[12-11] Retroquad 0.10.0 is out, last release of the year
https://twitter.com/mankrip/status/1469681148880109573

[12-10] Patchwork has been cancelled

[12-10] Russian Immanuel Kant Baltic Federal University team present neurointerface, plays Doom with it
https://iz.ru/1262055/2021-12-09/kaliningradskie-uchenye-nauchilis-chitat-mysli

[12-09] Jonathan's Arcade Mapping Project #1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126184

[12-09] Doom Mod Collection got a big update
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5755611

[12-08] BuildGDX v1.16 released
https://m210.duke4.net/

[12-06] The Force Engine updated to 0.8
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114497-the-force-engine-jedi-engine-portreplacement/

[12-05] Lee Jackson is now taking musical commisions
https://dleejackson.lbjackson.com/commissions/

[12-02] Bethesda Quake port updated, added Horde Mode
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2310/view/3102414008261877214

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>conways_game_of_barons.webm

Whats the David Lynch of DoomWads/QuakePaks?

Is Strife any good? It kinda seems like the hanger-on of the major Doom engine games popularity wise, even among the hardcore boomers I barely see it brought up compared to stuff like Hexen and Heretic

>>8431759
It's definitely inventive, but the gameplay isn't very good.

>>8431740
Portrait looks like a school shooter

>>8431759
It's got good atmosphere, story, voice acting and novelty, but the gameplay is utter ass thanks to a small, nonsensical bestiary and wimpy guns.

>>8431759
A weird case of using Doom to make an RPG, shit also has voice acting on top of the hub usage going on. It's a novelty worth trying for a bit but it's not great.

are there any resources for QuakeC? i wanna fuck around with modding.

And only as I thought "wow, a Cacowards had passed without any drama", I read that Not Jabba post in the thread. Jesus. Fucking. Christ. He is literally insane.

>>8420719
i can see a dangerous mindset of either "i will consume new game" or "i willd discard new game in favor of mods" but at least these mods justify the reason to make new doom games better than clickbait lore and easily digestable content that feels like it's copying the same memes and behaviors from any other fanbase
the unique and special "doom fan culture" being put under isabelle is what zenimax would want, when they can't legally take down source ports and mods
maybe seeing new actual features implement is another way to put doom as a "gameplay first" series

>>8431682
Half-Life must be erased from memory.

>>8431893
so i can experience it for the first time again?
sweet

>>8431874
I missed that Not Jabba post in the thread. I never spent much time in it, to be honest, after posting an obligatory "thanks for mentioning" post.

https://terminusest13.itch.io/the-exorfist
Or boy Term once released something on GZDoom

>>8431682
>beat Hexen for the first time, worth it
>try Deathkings of the Dark Citadel
>it's just more of the same
It feels more like a mod

5 months of silence

>>8431942
Yeah it's good though. But it doesn't have any new monsters or weapons like most add on paks. So yeah it's a bit of a let down. Same with heretics add ONS too.

>>8431740
... but can it run Doom?

>>8431942
I hated Deathkings because of the constant Ettin respawns. I mean OG Hexen had that too but to a much more tolerable degree. Never felt like I really accomplished anything in Deathkings

>>8431874
What are you talking about? The post where he made a mild condemnation of people begging for cacowards for their own projects? Were you one of these losers insisting upon themselves, anon?

>>8431874
just to clarify, what was wrong exactly?
I didn't see anything insane in his last post?

>>8431874
don't forget to keep us up with the latest doomworld drama
that is what this thread is for after all

>>8432048
I for one welcome the opportunity for juicy gossip

>>8432060
you should go back to kiwifarms

>>8431965
Still, I want to believe.

>>8431874
I read the thread and only saw bitching from the gameplay modders (understood their point but there were three gameplay awards so it's still dumb to complain about Widepix when they didn't beat the other two winners either) and dozens of posts of MIDI faggots who I hope get no awards whatosever next year so they'll stop being attention whores.

>>8432085
>kiwifarms
KEKW

What's the most creative gimmicky in recent mod/wad history?

>>8431758
Sky May Be

>>8431758
For Quake, The Anomaly series by Digs.

>>8431759
Its... okay. The aesthetics, world design, and atmosphere are very good. But the combat leaves a lot to be desired. Mainly because your weapons suck dick and there's a TON of hitscanners (very tanky ones in the late game). And it's got RPG stats, so you start off extra inaccurate and weak. I would suggest at least giving it a try. And if you dont end up enjoying it, try it with the Weapons Of Rebellion mod. It doesnt completely change the game, it just adds new weapon modes that greatly improve the combat.

>>8431857
http://www.cataboligne.org/extra/qcmanual.html

This old manual is a good start.
But, in my experience, there are various quirks (especially related to the engine's "physics") that are not really explained in the code comments or any of the manuals I've read. You have to figure out some things by trial & error. Reading func_msgboard QC threads and joining the Quake Mapping Discord is also useful.

>>8432142
>your weapons suck dick
A "slight" understatement

>>8431942
>>8431984
I got disappointed as well, especially since it's more combat heavy, but I ended up enjoying it a lot in the end. No new assets and no proper Citadel still makes me sad.

>>8431759
To add to the comments above, what I really hated is seeing those really cool outdoor textures that only get used in 2 small Hub maps and the rest of the game is just gray facility after gray facility.
Also, I got sucked in by the idea of medieval sci-fi but it's all guns and cyborgs and robots. Really gay.

>>8431965
>watch trailer since it's been so long since I forgot
>levels look id-style
>see "true 1996 experience"
Oh, it's one of those packs. We're not missing out on much then.

I love making players fight Revenants with a regular shotgun.

>>8432273
You're a sick man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IurToMt5_ow

Here's a map I made as a Christmas gift for this thread. It's a short slaughter map with a black metal theme. Doom 2, MAP01, Limit-removing, skill 4 only, should work in co-op. Have a merry Christmas, anons.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/nje4rfwqm5w01sb/punchmas2.wad/file

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN, SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO SHARE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

>>8432398
I was going to make a map where you run around on metal catwalks like a retard, as a homage to Caged from Plutonia, but I did nothing. Also I was making a map for 30 monsters challenge, but forgot to save and then editor crashed, oof.

>>8432398
I've been slowly working on the Laser powerup for the Vic Viper rifle. Decided to take it a little farther visually because the Lord British is also a cool ship.

>>8432359
>slaughter map
No thanks.

>>8431774
I don't have my glasses on but I think those are Barons and not school children...

PC bros you are missing it...
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.next.software/c/V0wEuiZToPY
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.next.software/c/EgrT2Is7nso/m/Uu7PQbploj4J

>>8431774

>>8432424
Looks dope, glad to see both ships getting some love. I'd love to see the gaiden ships in your style, but that's probably out of the scope because >PS1

>>8431759
It's got a lot of cool stuff going, but is a bit halfbaked as a game.

>>8432359
noice

>>8432359
First of all, merry Christmas anon and thanks for the map!

Made it saveless after a couple of tries until the final room where I died twice. I liked the aesthetic but it felt like the cyberdemons in the final fight were somewhat pointless given I could kill them before the archvile phase and rush to the exit anyway. The arachnotron + revenants part was a complete waste of time because they couldn't possibly kill the player + they were very easy to kill from far away and I liked the sniping revenant + goats chokepoint, felt like you had a harder iteration of it and decided to be merciful by adding some cover to misdirect the homing attacks.

Should I play Plutonia or TNT first

Ouch

>>8432867
TNT

>>8432869
Doomfags... how will we ever recover?

>>8432869
Literally who?

>>8432887
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Tim+E.+Anderson

>>8432887
The concept of time itself

>>8432941
Yeah I already googled the name. Just brought up some baseball player. Thanks tho
>>8432946
So some complaining literal who ?

>>8432954
I mean it's a pretty bad look for the Doom community if a famous baseball player trashes our game on social media

>>8432968
Indeed it is. But who ever your complainer is. Hes obviously such a loser that typing in
Tim anderson video games
Tim Anderson doom
And just tim anderson
Gets totally outshined by a baseball player. So who ever your faggot is that posted that. Obviously hasn't made shit worth discussing in anyway you know. Lmao

>>8432869
There's some weird stuff on there.
Here's a guy with "Caleb" in his username, using an avatar featuring one of the new Doom bosses, responding to a 20 year old conversation with wrong information regarding "third person Quake 2".
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.quake2/c/ZLk5plGYxNc

>>8433005
>third person mods on FPS
For what purpose

>>8433009
For fun.

>>8433030
>using the disguise to fool the tanks
Cheeky.

>>8433039
Hell yea, and like what the tanks are doing it's fun wearing the skin of your enemies.

>>8433009
wee

>>8433068
/vr/ MALICE mapping project when?

>>8433068
I want to throw up

>>8433070
the moment anyone remembers it exists

>>8433068
>weeeeoh shit

>>8433110
Is that Sonic Mayhem? Based

>>8433119
It may be my favorite, I had no idea Q2 levels could look and play so good.
I'm surprised at how much I had to dig for his other levels, I was expecting they'd all be in one account or one place. Some of his other maps are uploaded by other people who give him credit, then he's got "Colonthree Enterprises" going on.

>>8433110
on one hand that might actually give Q2 a fresh spin, but it's also giving me motion sicknesss.

>>8433148
Yeah, he needs to organize them better. As far as I know there are Derelict Facility, Sonic Mayhem, Wastewater Station, Outer Outer Base, Outpost N, Reservoir Stroggs, Cerberon Plaguemaker and Brutal Base (in development).
We'd have more if more people were interested in SPQ2 but sadly there are barely any new maps post-2000, and even fewer that are actually worthwhile.

>>8433178
Oh and Ment Base.

>>8433157
Yeah I don't force it on anyone.
It's just fun once in awhile to have a 'guy' instead of a 'gun' near the bottom of your screen, while having it play mostly the same.
>>8433178
>>8433196
For what it's worth next to nothing right now, very busy it and some of the Quake 1 stuff I've witnessed have pushed me to downloading and getting used to Trenchbroom.
>them Wulf maps
Nice, I think I missed two of those.
I remember one of them being particularly painful because of a literal UWU boss...

>>8432867
plutonia is better, so play tnt first

>>8433216
Yeah he has an odd sense of humor. Some of the text messages in the maps are also too much for me.
Btw some maps you might enjoy that I didn't see mentioned last thread are The Widening Gyre, Castles of Stroggos, Citadel, Slight Mechanical Destruction, Operation Scorched Earth, On Sacred Ground, Monumental Misery (but on an easier difficulty), The Powersphere Quest, Defensive Measures and Deaf, Dumb and Blind. Most of them are much older than Quakeulf's stuff but still worth playing - as good as classic SPQ2 can get.

Playing Doom64 Reribution for the first time. Levels are pretty barebone - empty walls and abstract geometry. I didn't like quake-like monotonous browny textures. But gameplay is authentic, guns are very good, shotgun feels like real doom one. Enemy models are exceptionally good, only seen zombies, imps and pinkies do far, and all of them are very detailed and well animated. Difficulty seems to be quite low, on 3rd one there were no hard fights on first two levels.

>>8433237
>The Widening Gyre
I'll be starting with this
>huge, extremely explorable, nonlinear campaign, leading to high replayability
Already looks promising, VERY nice

>>8433250
Yeah that's a good pick. Where are you reading this from, Ten Four or 3D Gamer's Edge or somewhere else?
Oh and also SPoGSP1 (Small Pile of Gibs) but that one is so famous that I must assume you've already played it.

>>8433148
once you dig the even older Q2 levels, you will find some crazy good shit like Citizen Abel series

>>8433273
The first three episodes I found really buggy but soulful. The fourth and final episode is really something else though, amazing scripting for the time and also really funny

>>8433263
>Where are you reading this from, Ten Four or 3D Gamer's Edge or somewhere else?
From this guy, it was one of the first things googled threw up. If it wasn't for the links in the Quake Trilogy pastebin I wouldn't have found it, because the video didn't give a link to any downloads and neither did a google search. Google did give me its readme, though, and finding out it was made in Oct 1998 pointed it out in the zip (it was in the November section though, probably because it was released Oct 27 and so close to it).
That was crazy.
>>8433273
I tried the first one, need to give the others a go. There's one I liked where you played as a security guard when shit went south at a secret science station.

>>8433280
there is also milous levels, and machine games ceo stuff, which are also solid maps

>>8433282
Again, its time for a Quake 2 Quaddicted addon, if Spirit is interested in resurrect the old Cafe Website and throw Hexen 2 and HL in it

Hey, I saw Rumble's got a func post by metl himself. How have the responses been so far?

>>8433282
If you're looking for download links then this playlist has them in the description of each video
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6wceInCQUvqgMXA0RRJ5apZ4o8OUZIE

>>8433282
>>8433302
Oh and there are also timestamps for secrets so it doubles as a secret guide and you can see the ones you've missed.

>>8433243
>Difficulty seems to be quite low
The game is balanced for N64 controllers.

>>8433302
>>8433306
Nice! That's actually where I came across things like Avarice and Torment, so I'm going to keep that list open for awhile.
>widening gyro video
>has links
oops lmao, I should've just gone back to this.

So source ports are finally compatible with Doom v1.2 and older or what?

>>8431682
Doom 1, 2, Heretic, Hexen WAD, or Quake1 or Quake 2 mod that is heavily based on DAICON III and IV.

>>8433576
>play maps
holy based

Why isn't Doom Eternal considered a port of Doom 1 and 2?

>>8433570
there are some anime titty mods floating around (space cats saga for ex), but nothing of the type you're asking.

>>8433570
DOOMHACK

>>8433570
>I only meant to frag a while

chocolate doom

>>8433648
not crispy enough

>>8433648
perfection

>>8433570
Well, there's Otacon '96 with BGC Doom (either the version it comes with or the latest one), that's probably the closest equivalent.

>>8433576
>sure fps nice but souls save
Any good retro shooters with bonfire-like save points?

What idiots, who told these guys to hang around toxic barrels

>>8433732
The level designer probably

>>8433732
better question: who the fuck left all these barrels around the base

Just finished thief 2, what Fan missions should i play first? is there a "deathwish" sort of mappack for thief? i know that there is a "So you want to play some..." in the mega folder but i dont know what to chose, so what is it taffers?

>>8433792
The Death Wish equivalent for Thief is still in development.

>>8433792
Look into the 20th anniversary maps made for both games

completed brutal doom e1 on black metal doe >.<

what mod adds in ork shootas

>>8434005
wew, that sounds ebin :D
a winrar is you!!! *\0/* I hope you enjoy the next episodes!!

>>8431682
OP pic looks like it could have been a Half-Life 1-themed joke website.

>>8433243
>no colored walls
hard pass
>but CE edition
not acurrate desu

chainsaw sucks

axe is better

>>8433576
>kind anon
t-thanks

>>8434264
So this is what OC on /vr/ has come to. The same copy pasted faces that we see on the rest of the fucking internet.

Is it possible to kill the Cyberdemons in E1M4: Jupiter Planetary Control Center?

>>8434264
If there was a bunch of trees and caging on that fence it could pass for BD's shitty 'map enhancement' scripts

>>8434163

>>8434297
watch your tone lest I edit your post in an image with a scathing basedjack quoting it.

What if Doom had a shortcut mechanic, where if you opened a shortcut, but then died and restarted, that shortcut remains open?

>>8434645
doom maps are way too short for that to be relevant

>>8434649
>doom maps are way too short for that to be relevant
Maybe the iwads, but theres plenty of pwad maps that can take upwards of hours of ingame time to clear.

>>8434645
So you want something like Dark Souls world design?

FNF/SNS anons: I think most of us want to move away from TSPG, but anon's own desktop won't cut for a replacement, so how does a VPS sound? I'll be willing to buy one myself for a little while as a test.

>>8431774
ok am*rican

So has the Killer's Kiss unfinished expansion for Shadow Warrior been completed?

>>8434645
>>8434649
>>8434671
>>8434737
Unironically I enjoy the way Descent did it (you have lives, if you die you esentially pistol-start but you keep all keys and progress and can pick up all of your weapons, but lose some secondaries - could be ammo in Doom's case). You also got a score penalty and lost all hostages you had picked up. If you died in a bad spot, you'd either have to try to scrounge up a skeleton arsenal from whatever you left over or just face the rape train with a shitty laser (the pistol equivalent). However, you can metagame it and if you expect to die because you're low health you can suicide in a safe spot and enter the bad room with a full arsenal and full health thanks to respawning.

>>8433792
>>8433951
You can try T2X if you don't mind playing as Egyptian female pagan Garrett.
It's a full campaign with voice acting.

please tell me that there is a way to get rid of this mother fucking useless dog shit trash intermission cancer from KDiZD
I tried and I fucking cant.
I dont know enough of zdoom modding to eradicate this fucking useless mother fucking trash from the .pk3
it screws up and breaks half my fucking mods every map
why the everliving cock shit fuck do modders always fucking always have to overdo with useless crap and bloat their mods to death like this

>>8435171
>why the everliving cock shit fuck do modders always fucking always have to overdo with useless crap and bloat their mods to death like this
go back to boomworld old man

>>8435171
Biggest point of kdzid are not just the levels, but the new monsters, weapons, items and all stuff like that it adds. Maps themselves aren't that special. Kdzid is not the map pack, that's played with gameplay mods. What's the point even? Either use the mods for vanilla map packs or play kdzid as it is.

>>8435171
>overdo with useless crap and bloat their mods to death
that's the whole point of kdizd you dumb nigger

>>8435174
>>8435178
>defends completely useless bloat in mods
the normal animated intermission screen background from ultimate doom was perfectly fucking fine, stop defending this fucking broken shit

>>8435171
why would you put so much effort into dismantling kdizd to play it with mods when you could just play a good mapset instead

>>8435194
choke on a fat canister of zyklon B and jump down into the incinerator's shaft

>>8435206
because I ran out of shit to play and I like the maps of that wad but I wanna play it with my mods and that stupid mother fucking useless dog shit intermission trash keeps breaking my mods

>>8435206
There is a wad called Doom: One, which is somehow kdizdish in it tries to remake Doom in a bit more modern way. It doesn't overdo detail shit and it connects all maps so you actually go through them without loading screens
I quite like it, it adds some out of Doom stuff though like some Heretic monsters and pretty sure some harder monsters earlier

Are there any other wads about real life locations like planisphere2 (New york)?

KDIZD made fun of Duke.
It's based.

>>8431684
Elementalism trailer, releases March 5th 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtpqv2YmSb4

I'm getting close to the end of Duke. Do I play Shadow Warrior or Blood next.

>>8435625
Blood is better,but also alot harder.

>>8435616
Wow, these maps are gorgeous. I shudder to think what the performance is going to be like.
That staff weapon looks nice but it animates like dogshit.

>>8435631
a comment asked about that and the creator said it should run well on anything relatively modern.

>>8435616
I'm getting Serious Sam vibes from some of these, very cool.

>>8435636
He specifically mentioned it running well on a 5 year old laptop.

>>8435639
Cool art, not only he makes fine bimbos and porn but that kinda fits Hexen a bit. Even if its a bit too cartoony.

>>8435639
I really want to look into a 'class swap' mod for this, something where it functions as Wizardry where it's first person managing multiple characters. I'd love a Hexen playthrough that makes use of the whole weapon roster.

>Make wad
>Boom-compatible map format
>Runs in GZDoom
>Refuses to play in every other source port
What am I doing wrong doombros

>>8431682
If anyone knows how to work with Linux, Knightmare pointed out a possible way to release Quake 2 Oblivion's source code from the archive
https://leray.proboards.com/post/30788/thread
>One other possibility is that the Oblivion archive contains a Linux gamei386.so that is full of debug info, including function and variable names. It's 1.24MB vs. 424KB for the windows gamex86.dll. The source code could be reverse engineered from this.

>>8435765
Without more information it could be any number of things, this is why you always test with the bare minimum source port for your target compatibility.

>>8435765
Do your maps normally play on PrBoom or Crispy Doom?

>>8435775
I remember that a old mod used the same trick to rebuild the source code after the guy left with no whereabout at all for years.

Hey, just found this while playing with an emulator.
Don't you guys think that this explosion looks way too familiar?

>>8435794
If I create an empty square room in SLADE, all settings at default, Boom map format, crashes instantly in PrBoom+
>>8435820
I've tried every other popular source port, only GZDoom works

>>8435858
I have a theory. To confirm it, I need to see the list of the lumps in your wad. (Starting with MAP01 marker and so on)

>>8433780
The base is a nuclear waste dump, it's in da manual. Why nuclear waste explodes is a good question, though.

>>8435851
Damn...

play brutal doom on black metal difficulty now

>>8435996
make me

>>8436002
Do it or no balls.

axe better than chainsaw

>>8435775
I dislike Id Tech 2's engine architecture because of situations like this. Good to hear Oblivion has a chance to get revived, it's a nice mod.

>>8435851
It's Jurassic Park Lost World, right? Played this on MegaDrive a lot as a kid. This game taught me to love maze-like level design long before Doom.

doom 3 caco
doom 3 caco

Just give me the Ion Fury Aftershock and no one gets hurt except hundreds of heskel's goons

>>8436139
kill yourself

>>8436061
yes, that game is kino, also the Megadrive port is better than the ps1

>>8436139
leave

>>8436153
>>8436162
jesus what crawled up you guys' asses?

what are your thoughts on heartland? i'm playing it for the first time right now, enjoying it so far

how to make brutal doom more brutal'er

>>8435858
>empty square room
That may be the reason. IIRC a map that only contains one sector trips something up causing a crash.

>>8435858
>>8436238
It's also possible he hasn't set up any nodebuilders, Slade doesn't come with them by default, and GZDoom will build its own nodes on runtime.

>>8435639
Cool art-
>by_devilhs

>>8435851
Its just a stock animation. There were many stock explosion packs, used in games and movies.

>>8436139
Stay

>>8433576
>dead q2 enemies

The Lost Episodes of Doom is good.
Cope.

>>8436139
>>8436163
not retro, go beg on >>>/v/

>>8436139
This and the Amid Evil expansion as well.

>>8436139
I'm Just waiting on the GMOTA update.

>>8436139
I don't give a shit the first game was fucking boring albeit pretty.

>>8436397
Is Amid Evil worth it? It looks kinda simple.

>>8436412
>Is Amid Evil worth it? It looks kinda simple.

Personally, it's my favourite of the bunch of new 'retro' fps games. It's a little slower paced than the others but I love the weapons and the atmosphere more.

If you liked Dusk/Ion Fury/etc then there's no reason not to at least try it.

>>8436412
its good,not amazing from what i remember.
its basically DUSK but for heretic and not as good.

>>8436417
I liked Dusk, IF not so much.

It certainly has an interesting look, but I prefer fantasy fps to focus more on melee.

>>8433809
really? what is the project called, any forum links?

what things do project brutality add to brutal doom?

>>8436446
10 more minutes before you get bored and go play something better

>>8436446
Monster variants, one-liners from the Doom Comic, sound bites from other Doom games, especially Doom 3, etc.

>>8436437
Black Parade.

Forget about t2x, it has nice levels but its gay as fuck.

>>8436437
https://www.thiefguild.com/fanmissions/26275/thief-the-black-parade
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146501

>>8436469
thanks also
>gay as fuck
why? is it about the story or something?

>>8436479
Its a good fan game. It just completely lacks the atmosphere that Thief has.

Try it out.

>>8436446
more general stuff,though it removes the option to disable reloading,which is quite annoying

SUNDAY NIGHT SHITSHOW TIME FAGGOTS! Tonight we're playing through the classic and divisive Hell Revealed 2. Remember to join with Zandronum 3.1.
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>>8436476
>>8436480
thanks a lot :)
also is thief 3 ok? i heard that its not as good as the original games by TLG but is it any good?

>>8436508
Thief 3 is fine. It's got some pretty big flaws such as smaller levels, no rope arrows and a really stiff as fuck movement system, but otherwise it's not bad at all. Just make sure to patch it with the Sneaky Upgrade before playing.

>>8436503
Just asking, Is the 3.1 version of Zandronum a test build, or is it an officially stable one?

>>8436524
The latter.

>>8436412
amid evil is decent, but suffers from its self-imposed design limitations (rotating enemy lineup, shared ammo pools). so in that sense it's worse off for not being simple, but yeah I'd say it's worth it

this room is like raped whore

>>8436508
Thief 3 is like the most beautiful abortion of a masterpiece.
It's got lots of things I like, some even better than Thief 1 and 2 but it's pure jank and has some hot garbage things attached to it.
Play it once to get a nice conclusion to the story and that's it.

>>8436695
1 health and a dream...
>captcha: WHYGD

>>8436410
Just gimme some more time. Still doing this Gaiden update on the side to decompress. Admittedly the going is slow in general cus I've been feeling the drag.

Why Herrtic E2 beginning is so crap? Symmetric level, my ass. Is it getting better later on? Want to get to E3 (haven't played it for a decade), but don't want to lose my progress with the Wrath of Cronos. Playing Asassin instead of fighter is refreshing, it is the exact opposite, when gargoiles are despstched trivially, but jumping sabreclaws are very dangerous. Duke-style kick is fun anf can help a bit when being cornered.

>>8436446
okay so I looked at a video for project brutality and enemies are more spongey and obviously theres an emphasis on muh big weapons

but in brutal doom I can fire assault rifle like gif related and kick people (unlike in project brutality its a machete slice)

I may look into schism

>>8436624
It's not that bad. I would say its worth replays. Just not as many as thief 1/2.

>>8436503
Thanks for joining

>>8436901
>couldn't enjoy most of HR2 because of my internet shitting itself
Oh well, was fun with you guys.

black metal in tactical mode is how brutal doom should be experienced

axe > chainsaw

why does the quake 2 PS1 port work and play so well while the duke 3D is a total mess? is it just Carmack magic?

>>8436970
Hammerhead did the PS1 port.
I just saw a comparison to the N64 version, and does the N64 Q2 use weapon sprites? Bonkers.

>>8437002
no it does not use weapon sprites, look at the armor pickup, it's quake 1's engine with q2 stuff fitted in

>>8435765
>>Runs in GZDoom
>>Refuses to play in every other source port
>What am I doing wrong
Nothing.

>>8436624
>Play it once to get a nice conclusion to the story
And to experience Shalebridge Cradle.

>>8436789
When you do get around to GMOTA, can you add a button to lock-in your current sub weapon?
It's really annoying to accidentally pick up one I don't like in the chaos of battle.

>>8435851
>>8435992
>>8436061
>>8436305
That is the "Big-X" explosion, which could be found on special effects asset discs such as Pyromania (don't know if they had exclusive rights to this one animation, but this was where Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior got it from). I assume that this animation here is a cropped version, since I've seen the top of it in a number of different places.

Finished The Lost Episodes of Doom.
Good but easy. Last level was a lazy rehash of the first but with Spider Mastermind.
Makes me question why sell a wad when almost all these levels were released for free before.

>>8437117
You sure? The hud sprites look like they aren't lit directionally. The seem to have no real perspective on them. They roll right to left when the player moves, no up and down or side to side movement.
I'll have to get the game to check myself instead of watching shitty yt videos on my phone.

Does an anon feel like playtesting a map? (MSCP-ish difficulty/size)
https://doomshack.org/uploads/Bastard.wad

>>8437360
You can say that for all unofficial (and even the official) Doom level packs.

>>8436327
Well for a year 1994 wad it isn't that bad, but when compared to stuff that came after 1994, it is very mediocre.

>>8436176
Fun level pack. Skillsaw can't make bad wads.

>>8436176
It's fantastic. Just started replaying it tonight actually. Speaking of, how do you display kill counts and whatnot in Eternity? I want to get 100%.

>>8435418
Wasn't there a wad, that columbine shooters made from their school.

Does anyone else have those days where no matter what they just can't improve their skill? I only recently got back into Doom a few months ago after not touching it for years and I've mostly been focusing on harder WADs because I want a challenge. Somedays I can compete no problem, I'm tearing shit up, but lately even maps I've had no trouble with are kicking my ass.

>>8437897
No.

post wads that you love but vr hates

>>8437929
Erkattäññe.

>>8437946
based nicolas monti connoisseur

>>8437285
You know, I've had people ask for this over the years and I've turned it down partially out of laziness and partially out of fear of trivializing stuff.
But... thinking about it. It shouldn't be that difficult to pull off, and really the only thing it'd trivialize is players not having to fucking stop or awkwardly step around subweapons that spawn.

So you know what? Yeah, I'll see what I can do about this. I want this last update to be a great one.

>>8437929
Does /vr/ not like the Wool Ball series? I remember seeing posts here in the general of anons praising how cute it is, and how much fun they had with it.
and a few people asking if the artist still lingered around here and drew lewds like that one of Crash with big ol boobies.

wear is the sneed wad?

>>8437929
lilith

>>8437686
the weapons don't have interpolation u dolt, if they were sprites it would be very obvious based on the 3 point bilinear texture filtering

>>8435858
Don't use Slade's map editor, only pain awaits you.

>>8432273
>trick a revenant into hitting itself with its own homing rocket
>find out its immune to its own projectiles

>>8437897
The Columbine guy has made wads, but they weren't anything in particular; they were just like any other level. I personally don't think they're good enough to dig up and replay, even with the "novelty" of who made it.

>>8433727
I swear years ago there were webms of some guy doing a Dark Souls-based mod. It seems to have fallen by the wayside, though.

>>8438024
One's own projectiles always passes right through them.

>>8438038
Oh. I might have been confused and was hitting another Rev. It's hard to track what came from where when you're running around in circles.

>>8438039
Also yes, everyone is immune to projectiles of their own kind.

>>8438008
True amigos use DeepSea

Question for you all Anons. What are some gimmicks and overused cliches that I should avoid when making Doom maps? And conversely, what are your favourite Doom map tropes?

I'm just about approaching the stage of being able to make legitimately good maps, I think, so it's about time to start thinking seriously about the gameplay and shit.

>>8437906

It's just a game, Anon, not a martial art. Take a break maybe, come back to it another time, you're probably just burning yourself out a little bit.

Hi Anons. Can anyone explain how the ghosts feature works and how to use it in the DSDA Doom source port? Does it show the ghosts of your failed runs while playing, or only after you've beaten the level? And how do I see them, when I finish a map it just changes to the next one.

>>8438064
- Don't make Dead Simple clones;
- Same goes for Hunted clones and overly simple IoS setups;
- "Berserk conveniently lying around - oh no, I was swarmed by 10 pinkies " was done to death;
- Solitary archviles in the exit room that are absolutely useless ;
- Barons in the 64-wide hallways

There isn't any favorite tropes of mine, I like when people create something completely new, that hasn't been done before.

>>8438106
>I like when people create something completely new, that hasn't been done before.

Kind of a trite statement for a game that's nearly as old as I am, dezu. There's still room for originality, sure, but even the best wads spend a lot of time relying on the tried and true Doom formula.

>>8438064

There's nothing wrong with monster closets etc, don't be shy of having the good old "grab a key, skeletons come out" thing. The key is to try and do it in an unexpected way. For example, maybe the floor drops down instead of a wall opening up. Maybe instead of triggering instantly, you let the player think it was safe, but it triggers as they start to exit the room.

People playing Doom in current year know very well what to expect, so you have to play with those expectations. That means unironically using the classic cliches as well as subverting them.

>>8438106
dead simple clones are usually the best maps though

>>8438106
64-wide hallways in general should be avoided.

>>8437929
Never seen negativity about the wool ball on here. Pretty cool wad.

>>8438064
If youre going to have a trap when getting a key, make it interesting or dont make it at all. Dont just open a monster closet across the room with some pinkies and imps. We've all seen a million key traps.

>>8438064
If you have a one way drop/teleporter/whatever anywhere on the map that prevents access to the previous area then always add a teleporter at the very end near the exit that lets the player go back to the start.

>>8437929

/vr/ is full of retards but /doomthread/ likes furries because of based dwars

>>8438153
Dead Simple is a clear point in Doom2 where "epic hell on earth adventure" turned into "just a mappack". It has nice mechanics, but was so huge let down after the Crusher.

>>8437929
furriness aside the wool ball series is one of the best wolfenstein type wads ever. So many clever ideas and unique bosses with humor mixed in, I hope one day we'll see a third entry.

>>8437929
Guncaster

>>8438310
>>8438346
To be fair would one even suspect Wool Ball as it is 'furry' than just being cartoon-like? Meanwhile Guncaster has no subtlety despite being a slight parody of 'Dragonforce'.

>>8438414
Wait what? Why?

>>8438479
Not him but I don't care much for Guncaster because the balance is utterly buttfucked. I don't hate it, I just don't like it.

>>8438064
Any room that you have to traverse several times in different directions is automatically more interesting.
Otherwise there's nothing that can't be done well.

>>8438475

I mean, it's kinda the OG definition of furry, as in "contains anthropomorphic animals, and appeals to people who are into that kind of thing". Like most of the 90s mascot games with furry characters had that vibe.

Whereas something like Guncaster is a bit more "I wanted to insert my dragon OC, here's a whole mod I made as an excuse for that", and while it isn't actually bad, it's just kinda... It's there, y'know?

I dunno, I guess I'm just fine with furry shit as long as it isn't too try-hard about it. Like the film Zootopia was furry, and clearly designed to bait modern day internet furries, god knows there's a lot of porn of it, but it wasn't cringe about it.

>>8438337
I think Crusher feels more video gamey and less realistic than Dead Simple if that's what you mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13683sehKPU

>>8438337
I’m surprised at how much I’ve taken it for granted in retrospect. I can at least think of Tricks and Traps as some sort of weird storage facility, and the Crusher as some strange industrial tool.

Now it's worth playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIcv8y9kZy0

>>8438153
A single room map is kinda passe in the current year. It might offer a fun fight as small part of the level.
Even both "Don't kill the monster" been done.

>>8438337

Doom 2 is hit and miss the whole way through IMO. It has good levels and bad levels right through to the end. They kinda front-loaded all the best levels, just like Doom 1, but there are still good ones later on.

Inmost Dens, Tenements, and The Catacombs stand out for me. There are just a bunch of really shitty Petersen maps padding it out. Even stuff like Downtown and Industrial Zone gets shit on a lot but back in the day I thought they felt pretty fresh.

Worst maps in Doom 2 for me are shit like The Courtyard and The Chasm.

I'm a sucker for Dead Simple clones in any mappack. Especially if they do something creative with it like Valiant's The Mancubian Candidate.

>>8438606
The Courtyard is good fun and The Chasm is perfectly fine imo, but I can see why people don't like the latter. Nirvana is what I'd call a lousy map.

>>8438613
I want an entire megawad of Dead Simple clones.

>>8438628
I feel like that would get old real quick.
A Dead Simple-like is best appreciated as a one-and-done map in a full megawad.

>>8438628
there was already one
iirc it starts as a serious map pack then turns into dead simples after third map or so, a april 1st wad, i don't remember its name

>>8438580
Ha-ha, first kid's imressions are a thing, can tell for myself.

- hey mum, the Crusher main room was so HUGE back then, when we played it with a neighbour kid in primary school, it doesn't look so big now
- no, Bobby, that's you yourself was little back then and everything around seemed bigger for you

>>8438628

That would be cool as long as the gimmick wasn't always 4 mancubi, arachnotrons.

If the premise was just "kill all of X monster type" with maybe a size limit, it'd allow you to get a lot more creative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPRwwPRyaBM
Ranger's helmet looks weird and the movement is unfitting for a Quake related project but the environments look nice.
There was also that Hexen mod for Doom 3.

>>8435214
git gud

>>8438628
>>8438649
Dark Scythe

>>8437897
1. The Columbine shooters did do some Doom .wads
2. Making your school, home, or workplace in Doom was a popular thing to do in the 90s.
3. So, the Columbine shooters *might* thus have made their school in Doom...
4. ... however no evidence exists of them having ever done this.
5. Thus the odds point to this .wad never existing at all.

>>8438873
this was like a million years ago, you'd think people would know this at this point

>>8437897
Its called
>UACLABS.WAD

It's just like a regular doom level from the 90s. Give it a spin

What do we think of Christen Klie and Bob Carter maps?

have you played through brutal doom on black metal difficulty yet?

Playing Brutal Hexen and it is the most intense Hexen experience I remember. There is only fighter, crossbow is the second weapon, but it eats 8 bullets on a single shot, so always low on ammo. Gargoiles here, on large open areas, is fucking Heresiarch Luftvaffe, the horror from above, they are killing you from above with complete impunity and you can only run and hope that a stray one will go lower and green flask throw will catch it. Ettins and Centaurs are scripted to move faster and trying to approach you from behind. And ettins and gargoiles together are usually picrelated. Don't really care about gore, but this scripted behaviour was really nice and fresh.

>>8438954
Keep in mind doom still has a consistent stream of newcomers, including younger edgelord kids who still think eric harris jokes are funny.

>>8438106
Dead Simple clones are bad if you don't commit to the gimmick somehow. See D2TWID and Plutonia for good Dead Simples.

>>8439032
>buy muh gaim
no. fuck you

play schism
https://www.moddb.com/mods/schism1
>Schism is a metal as fuck, high fantasy Doom, Hexen, and Heretic expansion using Brutal Doom as a base.

>>8439032
>buy muh gaim
no. fuck you

play schism
https://www.moddb.com/mods/schism1
>Schism is a metal as fuck, high fantasy Doom, Hexen, and Heretic expansion using Brutal Doom as a base.

>>8438479
Scalies gave it a bad name.

>>8437957
Thanks, I really like your mods and GMOTA is my favorite.
If it helps, Death Foretold has a lock-in mechanic for sub weapons so I know it can be done.

>>8437973
https://basedniggapublishing.wordpress.com/the-quest-to-save-sneed-claus-anniversary-edition/

I wonder if there is a tier list ranking retro FPS enemies in terms of uniqueness
I can see the Archvile, Iron Lich and Duke's Protector Drone being there

>>8439352
Oh yeah I'm pretty sure this is a very easy thing to apply, like I said earlier: I mainly didn't do it out of laziness, not wanting to trivialize subweapons and the decision making that comes with it, and I also didn't want to add more buttons to the mod.

But really at this point I've had enough people ask about it over the years that I really should just add the damn thing. Because a lock would be infinitely easier to implement compared to dropping the old subweapon upon picking up a new one.

>>8438106
i look forward to every megawad's dead simple clone. if it doesn't have one it's soulless.

>>8431759
>>8431778
>>8432142

>>8438310
Speak for yourself, I tolerate Dwars.

>>8439395
>steals the whole show

>>8439258
D2TWID does a lot of things I like, also how its secret maps are a reference to previous id game, like it is in real Doom 2. Wish some other wads did stuff like this

>>8439445
What am I supposed to be looking at here

>>8439445
whoa I need a link to erimix now.

>>8439462
Lightning Guards in ROTT could do it too along with being able to feign surrender which was pretty cool

>>8439395
I honestly think Archvile is the best designed enemy in any FPS. Shadow Warrior's shadow ninjas are pretty unique, nearly invisible enemies that can use flash bombs and do very heavy damage very quickly

>>8439462
you also reminded me of the fucking gremlins from quake
they also had a gun stealing gimmick

>>8439313
Huh, thanks for the link. Just already have Walpurgis in queue, Schism will be next

SNS and FNF are cancled this week for Christmas so see yall on the new year's eve firefight

>>8431759
It's kind of like a primitive proto deus-ex (especially in the first part of the game). A lot of cool ideas hampered by clumsy execution.

>>8439462
God fucking damn, is that a seriously underrated enemy in a horribly overlooked shooter. I’m really surprised there weren’t more styles of 6DOF FPS.

>>8439479
officers could roll too
that game had some pretty neat enemy mechanics for what is ultimately a pretty simple game, wish more games had them

Is Doom 64 actually the best original-style Doom game or is it just the Sonic CD thing where it's the least popular one so people online hype it up to feel like they're in the cool kids club

>>8439891
It's no Plutonia.
It really shows us how dark of a world we'd be living in if not for Revenants.

Is there time dilation in Hell?

>>8436790
Indeed it is getting much better, 4 maps starting with Ice Grotto are quite good, diverse textures, some architecture, quick gameplay, a lot if ammo and health. Especially Catacombs, there was a real fun with sliding down the river almost to the end of the level and sniping Sabreclaws on the way. Asassin gameplay is an easy mode though, crossbow is getting overpowered, sabreclaws need to be kicked in the face sometimes, but everything else just dies quickly from the distance, and Iron Liches are to slow to be dangerous, despite requiring 15 shots.

>>8439891

Nah, Sonic CD actually is the best Sonic. Doom 64 is more a Dracula X/Rondo of Blood situation.

>>8439891
it's good and has a history with fan ports

>>8439927
If you mean retro yeah, but I was very impressed by Mania.

Its the Saturn sonic that never was. Not sure why they didnt make a sequel.

I think I fucked up.
So I'm playing Redneck Rampage Rides Again on Raze, but I was told to rename the files to REDNECKRIDESXX and convert them to ogg, but I have no idea of the order of the songs, and I may have mixed the audio of a cutscene because ocassionally I can hear a shootout with some guys singing. Did I fucked up, and how can I fix this?

>>8439493
>>8439395
Archvile is a hitscan enemy with extra steps

>>8440025
but it's an explosive, lock on attack affected by his sight, that makes the player jump
that and he resurrects most enemies and lacks a melee attack

>>8440025
The way it functions actually has a mechanical distinction from typical hitscan enemies. It attacks you directly regardless of what is between you and itself. This is why an archvile is a deadly enemy when it's surrounded by hordes of meatshields, because as long as you're in line of sight, it can always hit you.

>>8439462
Wat game?

>>8439395
The Gremlins from Quake expansion pack. Little fuckers steal your weapons and use them against you.

>>8440037
descent, wtf.

>>8440062
Descent II actually.

>>8439891
It has its shortcomings, but it does a lot of its own things and does the most it can with the given limitations, and manages to be good game. It has its own graphics and sound, which makes it feel rather distinct from the original and gives it a lot of unique character, feels almost slightly Quake-ish in tone and style, while still playing like classic Doom.

There's things I think it's worse off for by missing, like some of the monsters, but I had a hell of a good time playing it for the first time last year, and I've enjoyed it every time I've replayed it since. It's worth checking out if you like the original.

FOR ME, it's JUNG HAE-LIN, a good Doom modder OC. The demonsteele runs through her veins

>>8440125
ur waifu a shit

>>8440125
what about the robo girl from that other term mod?

>>8440128
fuck you kurashiki

>>8440125
Koreans play Doom???

>>8440149
Isn't there a Koren Doom called Hades that uses voxels?

>>8440172
First time hearing about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFX6XQW7nY4

Quite impressed by the WMC Heresy map pack, didn't think that Heretic level geometry can be that complex and that textures can be that detailed.

>>8435616
Aw heck yeah dude i ,like amid evil.

What mods you reccomend for peak tacticool(aesthetics wise not game play wise, i dont feel like playing HD)

>>8439374
>basedniggapublishing
LMAO

>>8440390
HD with encumbrance at zero and the sprite replacer of your choice.

>>8440261
Well those aren't vanilla Heretic textures, looks like a lot of art from Heretic 2.

>>8440025
And he's fucking fabulous, shut up.

>>8440408

>>8440449
Archviles just make me think of george costanza cause of that gif.

>>8440247
The animations are smooth but that shotgun is fucked.

>>8433648
Some stay dry while others feel the boom

>>8440390
>>8440454
The Soldier Z?
Skeletal Doom?
There aren't that many tactical mods, but there are more than just HDest. There aren't any better than HDest, though.

>>8440247
Looks neat, I like the part with shooting the swarm of rats cause it reminds me of the terrorbite sections from Time Crisis 4.

>>8437957
I think an easy way to go about would be a Use-To-Pick-Up. Maybe with arcade-y "USE!!" text that floats above it when you're near a subweapon.

>>8440464
I fucking said NOT GAMEPLAY WISE! If I want to play Rainbow Six or S.W.A.T. Ill Play RAINBOW SIX or S.W.A.T.(or ready or not when it gets patched up a little, heard its pretty buggy right now.)

>>8440471
That would actually be a bigger pain in the ass to implement than a subweapon lock key.

>>8440490
Implement THIS *Unzips Dick*

>>8440495
I already did a joke like that.
I can't find the ranger one I did though

why do all of the "bigger" .wad creators like ribbiks love revenant spam so much?

>>8440481
Just extract the sprites from those mods, or your favorite HDest weapon/item sprite pack and replace the stock Doom sprites with them, if all you want is Doom with rails on your guns and plate carriers for armor.

>>8440510
The real question is why don't you?

>>8440507
Oh I found it

>>8440481
Accessories to murder, or maybe one of the Final Doomer sets

>>8440514
Missed opportunity to replace the UAC stamp with HUH

>>8440510

>>8440519
Damn you're right. I shoulda done that.

>>8440510
>>8440521
My moves are better than yours

>>8440523

>>8440390
Immoral Conduct

>>8440510
>>8440528
I call this one the mental breakdown

>>8440535

i kneel skellyposters

>>8440495

>>8440537
THREAD THEME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjG4ypY16rs

>>8440510
what's the matter, bad?

>>8440481
>If I want to play Rainbow Six or S.W.A.T. Ill Play RAINBOW SIX or S.W.A.T.
That’s why you set weight encumbrance to zero, you basically turn into a super soldier. I had assumed you were at least comfortable with HD’s options.

>>8440534
The other Edge mods this guy made were great, I haven’t looked for them in years though.

>>8440510
Its instant difficulty. If you have a square room with closets full of imps, people might think its boring. But if you fill the closets with revenants and maybe an archvile...

>>8440569
They're interesting. Immoral Conduct Special Edition was ported to GzDoom some years ago, barring the AI companions, which weren't any good anyway.

>>8439258
If you aren't committing to the gimmick, then how would it even qualify as a dead simple clone?

>>8438106
>I like when people create something completely new, that hasn't been done before.
Thanks to the doom community making wads for over 27 years, there isn't really much you can do that is completely original without going straight for weird gimmicks and non-doom gameplay.

>>8440025
and still better than most other fps enemies, just shows you the state of all fps games

>>8440659
the thing is that in order to come up with fresh ideas that are actually applicable to Doom map design, you need to outgrow the conventions, and for that you need raw time with an editor, as an author building up experience. you can't skip this. being a good player is not enough. guys like Ribbiks or Insane_Gazebo grinded away for 10+ years before they made a splash and most mappers careers don't last half that long.

>>8440535
>mental breakdown
Poor revenant, his texture is filtered... I would've had a breakdown too.

how do i play gzdoom total conversions like hedon and age of hell without my fps being raped to single digits and my sound stuttering like a source engine game crash any time there's a lot of particle effects or when more than 10 things explode at once
is that just part of the experience or is a specific default option causing it

>>8440894
GzDoom is somewhat resource demanding, some reasons which make sense, some which kind of don't. There's been some steps to address this in recent times, they added GLES as a compat option to allow older and weaker machines run the game with better prestanda (in general, but some inherent limitations still apply).

Try that out if your machine isn't a powerhouse. Optionally, using Vulkan for rendering can give some people a decent performance boost, if they have the suitable hardware for it.

>>8440894
Run in GLES mode (dunno if hZDoom has that).
Turn all the effects down.
Stop running it on a TI-84.

>>8440917
>>8440921
is a quad core cpu with a 1060 6gb and 16gb ram enough for vulkan

>>8440935
Dunno, give it a try. Consider that Doom (and thus all ports) are built on single-threading, so it's good if your processor is good at single threading.

Okay Doom frens. Half a dozen of you called me a moron for saying that I didn't like Doom II as much as the first game. I said that I didn't much care about the SSG, the new enemy types, or the level design. I also said that I was going to give it a fair shot and finally finish the whole game to see if I changed my mind. I got around to that sooner than I thought I would. I finished the game today. Well, did I change my mind? On some points. The SSG is still just a wide-shot, overpowered SG. I don't feel it adds much to the game, and the fact that's it's super useful means it's too easy to lean on it for the entire game. It's borderline game breaking at times. The new enemies grew on me. I hated the Arch-vile, but now I kind of like fighting them by playing cat and mouse. The Pain Elemental is still obnoxious especially in the Icon of Sin fight where its endless monster spawning is just a giant annoyance. The rest just add a lot of flavor that I've come to appreciate. I feel like that's a net positive. The level design. What a mixed bag. It wasn't as bad as i remembered it. I appreciate the city levels more now. There are some particularly shitty levels though and quite a few levels rely on gimmicks which are fun once, but I can't imagine enjoying replaying them over and over again. Map: 24 The Chasm where you have to walk tightropes being my least favorite. However, I did appreciate how "puzzly" some of these levels were. There were times where I had to stop and think to solve a level. The one with the teleporting Cyberdemon gave me a nice "Aha!" moment when I solved it in what I assume was the intended way. In short, I still like the first game better as a whole experience. Though I'm happy the content is there for modders. I was a bit too harsh on the game based on my childhood memories. It's better than I remember, but I don't see myself replaying the vanilla levels much. Map 28 and 29 make up for Icon of Sin.

>>8440968
The Super Shotgun is indeed genuinely overpowered in the context of Doom 2's levels, it was added under id's rule of cool more than anything.
Now play Plutonia.

doom 2's greatest sin is giving shell ammo a means to compete with cells and rockets while making bullets even more shit
where's my fucking super chaingun romero

>>8440994
Will put that on my "to do" list anon.
>>8441010
I kind of just want a better pistol. The one they give you feels like a water gun.

>>8440994
Doom 2 can be mostly coasted with the SSG, and any moment that feels like it might not be enough gets drowned in saved up rockets or BFG shots.
Plutonia made me realize the chaingun or plasma rifle can be much safer to have out, they’re a great response to any surprise hitscan attack. Pistol starting it also realized my one, big concern with the weapon balance and that’s how much you get out of 40 cells using a BFG over the plasma rifle.

>>8440968
SSG is more balanced if you do pistol starts so you don't have it every level
>>8441010
what do you mean even more shit, chaingun is even more useful in doom 2 due to all the new enemies you can stunlock with it

>>8441049
make the pistol the chaingun and the chaingun 2 chainguns
then buff bullet capacity to 300
wa la, doom is solved

>>8441084
SSG becomes your go-to for mowing down crowds of trash and getting rid of lone medium health enemies
disregarding the separate ammo pools it overtakes the chaingun's role in a way

>>8441049
I don't think super chaingun is really necessary. But on my maps I often hand out chaingun at the start and give a lot of bullets, and not a lot of shells.

>>8441084
>SSG is more balanced if you do pistol starts so you don't have it every level
Doom 2’s feels oddly balanced with continuous play in general: You can end the first level with a rocket launcher.
>>8441087
Valiant had a great take on it.
>>8441094
It’s more how useless the regular shotty becomes that’s my concern, chaingun still has its use.

>>8441105
Shotgun is more accurate than the SSG. If you can't safely get close enough to your target to hit most of the SSG's 20 pellets, or if your target is steeply above or below you, then the regular shotgun, despite only firing 7 pellets, is a more efficient use of both shells and time.

>>8441121
Hey, you remembered my posts when I used Doom Zero webms. It has some incredibly, massively niche uses.

can i see the full splash hit

>>8433792
Death's Cold Embrace is pure kino

I'm getting filtered by Blood

>>8441209
Dive around with crouchjumps like you're Max Payne if you want to mitigate the shitscan damage

>>8441209
play with a mouse

since playing brutal doom on black metal difficulty my chest has become covered in thick hair

>>8441216
That actually works?

>>8441228
Yes. Crouching and jumping breaks their aim

>>8439079
>Keep in mind doom still has a consistent stream of newcomers, including younger edgelord kids who still think eric harris jokes are funny.

I have waited long enough for the Amid Evil DLC

>>8441314
aMID evil is not retro

>>8441315
Eh, I don't mind discussion of these neo retro shooters. It's talked about so infrequently and doesn't detract from the main show, that being Doom, Quake, build games and so on. Besides, we allowed Serious Sam and Deus Ex discussion before the rule change despite them not being considered retro by the board rules.

>>8431682
>tfw I'm probably better at Doom than every retard here
Why are y'all so bad at Doom /vr/?

>>8440659
>there isn't really much you can do that is completely original without going straight for weird gimmicks and non-doom gameplay.
Strange statement, because Doom 2 itself has very gimmicky map design. 2020 megawad Three Is A Crowd embraced Sandy's Doom 2 map design and went full old school gimmicks. It has lot of new kind of weird scenarios, but it feels very old school. It feels like some hard mode expansion pack made by Sandy in 90s.