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Sonic CD isn't canon.

The future will always get worse. Which is why you have to stop the cycle of reincarnation.

>>8411661
I guess, Metal Sonic isn't canon too then.

>>8411668
buddhism is the stupidest shit in the world, its literally a suicide religion

>>8411645
that literally happened because eggman himself literally manipulated time itself you dumb shit, that's the plot of the game
sonic travelling in time is just playing eggman's game

>lore
It's a videogame. Lol, Sonic goes back and forth in time because he fucking can and fix past because completionist, different eyecandy movie for anyone who gives a shit (no one) at the end, etc.
Fuck lore and story. You want lore and story, go to /tv/ or /lit/. Just play videogames.

>>8411751
Fuck off idiot

>>8411645
actually the lore is that sonic lets the world get fucked just so he can listen to the superior bad future tracks.

>>8411758
Braindead moron

>>8411645
Which utuber did you hear this from?

>>8411645
Interestingly the "perfect" ending isn't the cannon ending for this game if you look at future games in the series. In generations you fight metal at Stardust Speedway's bad future, and the same metal is fought in Sonic 4 Ep II. My headcanon is that Sonic was able to cause a good future in each zone by breaking the animal capsules and metal projectors, but failed to get all the time zones thus allowing metal sonic to alter little planet's timeline after sonic left.

>>8411645
who cares just time travel to enjoy the music

that's the real message

palmtree panic past music (in the US version) is so fucking good

>>8411902
The past tracks are the same in both regions

>>8411661
>Sonic CD isn't canon.

Amy Rose isn't cannon either.

Sonic 1: Introduces Sonic and Robotnik
Sonic 2: Tails and Super Sonic
Sonic CD: Amy Rose, Metal Sonic
Sonic 3: Knuckles

>>8411926
I always forget Amy existed before Knuckles.

>>8411906
>The past tracks are the same in both regions

That's because the Past tracks are 'chip tunes'. They show case the Sega CD's 8-channel PCM audio chip using all sorts of audio samples. The Future and Present tracks were all red-book audio and were replaced for the US version of the game. I don't mind the US soundtrack, despite there being some better ones on the JP soundtrack.

>>8411934
I know. Was just telling anon because he seemed to think the past tracks were different. Neat that they decided to do that, sort of show off what the Sega CD could do without going redbook

>>8411928
>I always forget Amy existed before Knuckles.

>>8411928
Amy existed before Tails.

>>8411928
>I always forget Amy existed before Knuckles.

What really bothers me about this game is that the only real good version of it is the original Sega CD version and I don't own a Sega CD.
>HD version
Lacks the timer reset mechanic and also, if you're a purist, the fact it doesn't support 240p is a real pita

>>8412003
Then use a modded Wii.

>>8411998
Who the fuck is yellow sonic to his right?

>>8412003
>What really bothers me about this game is that the only real good version of it is the original Sega CD version and I don't own a Sega CD.

The 1996 Windows PC port really wasn't bad at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxli-4GhdE

It was pretty close to the Sega CD original, but was missing the odd hardware specific graphical effect from the Sega CD game. like the wavy background water in Tidal Tempest.

>>8412015
Nikki, a victim who fell by the Roaming Romans

>>8412018
>The 1996 Windows PC port really wasn't bad at all:

The Windows 95 PC port really was the best selling version of Sonic CD too. The jewel case version of it ended up in a lot of PC bargain bins for nothing. Dell often bundled Sonic CD with their PC's back in the later part of the 90's. The PC version was used as the bases for the one found on the Sonic Gems collection.

>>8411645
Teleportation ya shbiduwapwap.

>>8411661
>Sonic Adventure directly references it
>Sonic Heroes indirectly references it
>Sonic 4 (which admittedly probably isn't canon, but was intended to be at the time) directly references it
>Sonic Generations has you revisit a part from it
>Sonic Mania has you revisit several parts from it

>>8411902
>music
>US version
>so fucking good

>>8411998
Goddamn, Ray is FAT. What a FAT FUCK.

>>8411998
whats this art from?

>>8411926
>>8411676
Nope, Amy and Metal are not canon. Good riddance too. Killed the series with that shit. Mecha is the better robot and Sally is the better love interest.

>>8411661
>>8412552
Wasn't the Little Planet retroconned to be the basis of Death Egg (or vice versa)?
At least in 4's "canon"

>>8412914
Mr. Penders, your disguise won't fool anybody.

>>8413150
I was about to call him out as being penders, but thanks for doing god's work.

>>8412018
>>8412054
The PC port is not really good. These extra loading screens
>>8412059
I like how the US version of the goal fanfare is more similar to the Sonic 1 and 2 classic one.

>>8411645
does anybody on /vr/ know somebody who's gonna take us back to the past?

>>8413282
The Nerd.

>>8413286
Does a good job with it by making his last two videos clipshows.

>>8413287
I still haven't watched those, will do so.
I miss bootsy, but I don't miss Mike. Good riddance.

>>8412003
Use an emulator, fag.
Just find a way to output it to a CRT

>>8412003
I have the same complaint with the remake. Check out the mod loader for the Steam version, IIRC there's an option to turn the timer reset back on
https://gamebanana.com/tools/6446

>>8411645
>which it's impossible because no one can go back in time.
tell that to the ET's that visit us.
also, changing something in our past would just create a different timeline than ours. Our present time wouldn't change.

>tfw you realize metal sonic is roboticized sonic from the bad future sent to the past
love how all sonic horror on the internet is just "what if sanic had scary eyes xDD" meanwhile the games have walten files shit baked into the canon itself.

>>8414015
If you've seen the OVA, you know Metaru thinks he actually IS Sonic, and sees the real Sonic as an impostor.
>There can only be one Sonic...

>>8414036
my theory shows exactly why he'd think that, because its literally true. pretty sure the ova is non-canon anyway to the point of replacing amy with some annoying catgirl nobody likes

>>8412904
The JP manga. It's about how Sonic is another personality to Nicky the Hedgehog (the Sonic with the glasses)

>>8412015
That's Tania, Nicky's sister

>>8411645
It might be tragic, but it's not that uncommon of a story element. Maybe looking at some other works that tackle time travel for good will help.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong

>>8411758
based

>>8413113
No, it wasn't.

>>8414328
>The JP manga. It's about how Sonic is another personality to Nicky the Hedgehog (the Sonic with the glasses)

Man, that looks like a wacky cannon. I have never seen any of this before. Going by your description, Nicky is basically Peter Parker, whose alter ego is Sonic: The Hedgehog. Looking at the art, Sonic has a father who is a lumberjack, and a mother who is a trad wife? He has a sister. I would guess that Amy is his sisters friend, but has a crush on Sonic. ALA Spider-Man and Mary Jane. But then there is Vector, Mighty, the yellow guy from Sega Sonic, and the Chicken rocker are all part of Sonic's rock band? And they do battle against Robotnik and his band of MegaMan rejects. Am I even close?

>>8411998

>>8414328
>>>8412904
>The JP manga. It's about how Sonic is another personality to Nicky the Hedgehog (the Sonic with the glasses)


Man, that looks like a wacky cannon. I have never seen any of this before. Going by your description, Nicky is basically Peter Parker, whose alter ego is Sonic: The Hedgehog. Looking at the art, Sonic has a father who is a lumberjack, and a mother who is a trad wife? He has a sister. I would guess that Amy is his sisters friend, but has a crush on Sonic. ALA Spider-Man and Mary Jane. But then there is Vector, Mighty, the yellow guy from Sega Sonic, and the Chicken rocker are all part of Sonic's rock band? And they do battle against Robotnik and his band of MegaMan rejects. Am I even close?

>>8414397
>Am I even close?
His father is a pilot, who almost died in a crash but was saved by Sonic. I think this involves some time travel shenanigans. This also leads his father to his mother, and that's why he was born.

Amy is actually Nicky's girlfriend in this manga, and she gets abducted multiple times by a lizard named Anton Veruca. Nicky promptly transforms into Sonic to save the day.

What's interesting about the whole transformation thing is that no one besides Tails knows about it. The transformation is actually just Sonic from the future traveling back to the past and swapping places with his younger self (Nicky) and swaps back when he's done.

>>8414415
>Amy is actually Nicky's girlfriend in this manga, and she gets abducted multiple times by a lizard named Anton Veruca. Nicky promptly transforms into Sonic to save the day

So it is kinda like Spider-Man.

>>8414415
>What's interesting about the whole transformation thing is that no one besides Tails knows about it. The transformation is actually just Sonic from the future traveling back to the past and swapping places with his younger self (Nicky) and swaps back when he's done.

I guess Sonic CD's time travel mechanic was inspired by the manga?

>>8414434
>I guess Sonic CD's time travel mechanic was inspired by the manga?
I would guess so. It was being made around the same time (1992-94)

>>8412914
Archie is shit and SaTAM is shit

>>8414443
>I would guess so. It was being made around the same time (1992-94)
Sonic CD did get released in early 1993 in Japan and later 1993 in the US for the Sega CD. Maybe they were being developed around the same time, so they were working from the same ideas?Sonic CD is considered to be a sequel to Sonic 1, but doesn't acknowledge Sonic 2, as both games were being made by different teams, with one in Japan and the other at Sega of America's HQ.

>>8414036
>If you've seen the OVA, you know Metaru thinks he actually IS Sonic, and sees the real Sonic as an impostor.
>>There can only be one Sonic...

The full english dub is here on youtube:
https://youtu.be/OxhMYk_xljQ

Enjoy. From what I have heard this OVA was sup[pose to be some sort of pilot for a Sonic TV series that may have been shit canned. The OVA's or movie doesn't really have much of a conclusive plot. I think it was meant to give an idea on what a series could be like, The OVA does draw influence from Sonic CD, Sonic 2 and Sonic 3. It has Metal Sonic, Tails (Sonic 2) and Knuckles (Sonic 3).

>>8414447
archie is shit (early on is fine before all the penders high school drama shit) but satam is kinda great. picrel should've gotten her own game

>>8414015
There is zero proof of this.

>>8414809
well yeah they can't just come out and say it even if it were true cause it'd make kids cry or whatever. its just a theory anyway. it came to me while listening to metallic madness bad future with the whole "sonic, dead or alive, is m-mine" lyric and it just fits with the whole bad future motif as well as the general animals-being-roboticized motif of the whole series.

>>8414036
>If you've seen the OVA, you know Metaru thinks he actually IS Sonic, and sees the real Sonic as an impostor.

They do enter into some sort of future zone, with a dilapidated New York. Tails calls the buildings "relics" implying that they are in some sort of future.

>>8412003
Just buy a Sega CD. You can burn games to blank CDs without issue just like the Dreamcast

>>8414502
That's true for like every 90s OVA. Nowadays OVAs are all just direct to DVD bonus episodes of already established series, but back in the 90s most of them existed to gauge interest in a potential series, and a ton of them never were popular enough to be greenlit

>>8414512
I always wanted to fuck the shit out of her

There, I said it

Fuck u if u judge me on that!

>>8415086
the most fuckable sonic character by far at least without her robot parts (which is canon in an episode). boobs the bat is so overrated not to mention kinda knocked off bunnie's design a bit now that i think about it

>>8415095
>at least without her robot parts
Pleb taste detected.

>>8415143
if she has a proper fake vag im fine i just don't wanna get my dick accidentally ripped off between her joints

>>8411661
retard

>>8411661
yes it is

>>8411889
In Generations you also go to Crisis City despite the canonical ending of ‘06 being that it never fucking happened. Generations isn’t past and future, Generations is alternate dimensions

>>8413113
The story of Episode 2 was Robotnik had recapture little planet. They were obviously going to do Ep 1: Sonic, Ep 2: Sonic 2, Ep 3: Sonic CD, Ep 4: S&K but dropped it when it bombed hard

>>8414036
>Metal slipping into lava
>Sonic reaches out to grab his arm
>Metal slaps it away
They really love their “enemy that redeems them-self” with Knuckles, Gamma, Shadow, Blaze, Silver…

>>8415071
>That's true for like every 90s OVA. Nowadays OVAs are all just direct to DVD bonus episodes of already established series, but back in the 90s most of them existed to gauge interest in a potential series, and a ton of them never were popular enough to be greenlit

Yeah OVA's are like pitch videos for potential TV series. The Sonic OVA was released as two parts in Japan in 1996. Even the pitch OVA's can still be different from the series that spin off of them. Sonic OVA's do grab from different sources, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, the swat bots look like they came out of the Archie series. It was edited together and released in English as Sonic: The Movie" in 1999, right around the exact same time Sega launched the Dreamcast and Sonic Adventure. I remember seeing rows of VHS for this at a local department store chain in Canada.

>>8418183
>Rows of VHS
Damn, I wanna go back

>>8418213
>>Rows of VHS
>Damn, I wanna go back
OK, a bit of an exaggeration, more like a display type set-up with like 30 copies or something.

>>8418218
>>>Rows of VHS
>>Damn, I wanna go back
>OK, a bit of an exaggeration, more like a display type set-up with like 30 copies or something.

And I never bought the VHS. But oddly, I did rent the movie from a Hollywood Video before I ever saw the display. I was never into buying VHS tapes. Not in 1999, anyway.

>>8418183
>I remember seeing rows of VHS for this at a local department store chain in Canada.
I hope you mean Zellers (RIP). Sonic shit beyond the game and comics was hard to find when I was a kid and I flipped shit when I saw the display up, never begged my mom harder for a "movie". The blue print on that white tape still looks really cool.

>>8418224
>Not in 1999, anyway.
Yeah, nowadays there's a certain charm to watching old stuff on a CRT. I primarily have mine for video games, but I might as well get more use out of it than just that. Maybe I'm just autistic, idk

>>8418248
>I hope you mean Zellers (RIP).

Yup I do. I was 18 in 1999. Also, my first job was working at that very same Zellers. Sega launched the Dreamcast in September 9th 1999, and Sonic Adventure was a day-one launch game. I think that VHS was released a week before the Dreamcast or so. I honestly did rent it from the anime section of a VHS store. I just wasn't into owning VHS tapes.

eden represents childhood innocents, the serpent represents adolescent doubt, and the fruit represents adult cynicism

>>8412914
>Amy and Metal are not canon
>But Sally is
>Mecha has a cool design but honestly sucked as a boss

>>8415153
Antoine managed it. You'll be fine.

>>8418568
now antoine on the other hand makes me understand why some people don't like satam. as if that gigahomo could get it up for her

If Sonic can travel to the past, can he meet the roaming romans?

>>8419045
the time travel gimmick was supposed to be a part of sonic 2 and aquatic ruin was supposed to be roman

>>8420871
>manual of Sonic 2 assures there's roaming romans in Aquatic Ruins
>Sonic CD had actual time travel
>the romans ended up somewhere in Little Planet but Sonic couldn't find them.
I wonder if they're still roaming around in one of the timelines.