/vr/ - Retro Games

why are JRPGs the most popular retro genre and nobody can shut up about JRPGs

>>8218434
Anime but not shit

It really is that good and you can get the rom for zero dollars. Try it.

Played it for the first time earlier this year. It's OK I guess. There's a talking from who talks like a complete mong which turned me off a bit. I got the feeling I might have liked it more at the time.

>>8218442
>emulation
No thanks

I don't even like JRPGs (I don't enjoy turn based combat) and I still loved Chrono Trigger. The story and characters are amazing.

>>8218472
>I hate JRPGs
That's why you liked it

>>8218431
It blows FF7 out of the water any day. Chrono Trigger has a lot of charm to it, and was innovative for letting you combine attacks and have monster battles that you could avoid and see instead of random floor tiles that launch you into a battle. And there was plenty of replay value because of the alternate endings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsKJooAb02c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmY2wf7T428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzxqc5OeOTY

>>8218491
>think to myself: hey im in a jrpg mood, today ill play a cool retro jrpg
>immediately get reminded of the obnoxious random encounter rates that you cant do anything about
I guess im just too clueless.

>>8218431
Unlike FF7, Chrono -Trigger is actually fun and I played it without getting bored the first 5 minutes.
Or maybe FF7 was so shilled that my brain antispam filter engaged and crossed it out. Good fucking riddance TBQH.
FF6 was shit too.

Why does this get mocked nowadays when it's a true message regardless of what you think about conservative America or the war on drugs? No hope in dope.

>>8218469
Based console chad

>>8218469
I mean, yeah, but you can't beat trying a game for free before you decide whether or not you actually want to hunt down a copy of a SFC or DS game

>>8218530
All this zoomer cringe holy shit

>>8218532
I could've hurt you more by listing the ps1 version but I chose not to :)

>>8218535
Thx fren i wuv u be my zoomer bf pls

FF7 is way more worthy of the hype it gets than Chrono Trigger. Bigger, longer game with a better story, better music (and more of it), tons of side content that is optional, etc.

Chrono Trigger is good, perhaps even a great game (especially considering the trash that gets released nowadays). But it's very short, very linear, almost no side content, has a few good tracks, a story thats good and simple but almost too simple, and way too easy. It was made by a star-studded production team and it shows considering how safe and easy it is.

It's a meme at this point but it's pretty much THE rpg for people who hate rpgs. It gets a pass for being on the 35 year old+ boomer console, so they give it nostalgia points (whereas they fucking loathed the first 3D generation of ps1 and n64). Everything in this paragraph seems equally true for FF6, since the boomerfags who like CT also like FF6 (which released on snes) and often claim them as the only 2 good jrpgs despite not playing any others. But I can't talk much about FF6 since I haven't played it yet. But my impression isn't good based on the type of people who praise it.

>>8218495
>i want to play a game but i dont want gameplay
watch a movie turbofag

Yes it is overrated shit.
Triggerniggers need to be gassed.

>>8218607
>>8218607
This is clearly not what was said and you are just being needlessly confrontational.

>>8218605
none of your criticisms of CT even matter... bizarre man. I dont even care about this game and i can see you're really reaching here.
>too short
Who cares?
>too linear
literally a staple of the genre its in
Sounds like you just want to dislike the game because people you dislike like it. You make a bunch of broad generalizations and sound like a huge jerk.

>>8218626
yes it is exactly what he (you) said. i want to play an rpg but i dont want the random battles.

i want to play a racing game but i dont want to drive

i want to play a rhythm game but i dont want to listen to music

i want to play a shooter but i dont want to fire guns

>>8218635
What? I made no attempt to conceal that I made that other post. I never used any kind of third person pronoun. Reread the chain.
>all that stuff
Then how am I able to find and enjoy JRPGs if random encounters are so important to the genre? You're just wrong here man.

>>8218631
>no counterargument
>no leveling or trying to talk on even terms
>just "no ur wrong dude what. you just want to hate it because youre a jerk"
Schools teach you how to write opinion essays so that you don't end up like this.

>>8218638
you make no attempt either man. like what do you want to say? linear and being short aren't bad things. like every jrpg ever is linear. and ive played way more bloated and boring jrpgs than short ones. sit down

>>8218431
The hype is deserved, and people who claim otherwise are without exception contrarian elitists who hate everything that normies might have heard of.

>>8218683
Delusional Trigger cultist

Live A Live is the better game

>>8218605
>Bigger, longer game with a better story, better music (and more of it), tons of side content that is optional, etc.

The only one of those that's true is "bigger", and that doesn't really matter because it means you have to grind for a month to defeat the optional endbosses to get KOTR materia which is what you need to damage the optional endbosses - or spend a month breeding Chocobos.
Chrono Trigger doesn't have anything annoying like that, the entire game is straight forward, and yet still has tons of hidden shit, AND has a new game + mode where you can unlock like 10 different endings.

Also FF7 has the stupidest horseshit pointlessly convoluted storyline ever. I re played it like 3 or 4 times and I still don't remember what the fuck was Sephiroths back story or motivation, other than that he finds clones of himself and goes berserk and tries to blow up the planet.
CT is much more comfy, a bunch of teens accidentally discover time travel, and the more they try to fix the shit they caused, the worse the cause and effect becomes until they have to prevent the literal coming armageddon.

>>8218635
>i want to play an rpg but i dont want the random battles.

rpg is about role playing, not about beating up the same blue goblin after taking 5 steps in any direction ad infinitum. CT has great balance in this in that you can avoid battles if you want to.

>>8218605
>it's very short,
This is just not true.

>very linear
That's a stable of the genre, and so was FF7 for that matter.

>almost no side content,
Oh I am laffin'. Once Queen Zeal launches her hole-in-time christmas tree shaped Star Destroyer, the entire game becomes open ended. You can visit the grave of Frog's old comrade, turn a desert back into a giant forest, visit the sunken ruins of a dinosaur castle from 65 million BC, recharge a magical stone with a million year of sunlight, have Marle reconcile with her parents and learn why the chancellor is corrupt, fix the legs of Lucca's mom, get one of the games bosses to join you, visit the factory where Robo was made, and that's just from the top of my head. Without counting the fact that you can fight the end boss in like 3 different ways, have every character learn optional combo moves together, and you can re-play the game to permanently max out everyones stat or to get a dozen different endings by finishing the game at an earlier point of the story, with more severe consequences (like humans being extinct and the planet being populated by humanoid lizard-saurs).

>>8218469
Do paypigs ever play games?

>>8218431
unlike FInal Fantasy 7 on the playstation and the shitty awful Final Fantasy games this game is actually good. Another good game is Seiken Densetsu 3. But Chrono Trigger is better than every other JRPG or RPG on the SNES and NES and older console and pc games.

This isn't fanboying it's the truth.

Terranigma sucks, breath of fire sucks, FF4 sucks, legend of mana, secret of mana 1 is inferior to seiken densetsu 3. Trials of mana on the wii is absolute garbage

>>8218431
chrono trigger's ability to have you go from medieval not-europe to flintstones pre-history to post-apocalyptic hellworld and have it all flow is incredible. i'm not sure it has a "good story" but the blend of story and gameplay is second to none. horii and sakaguchi were behind pretty much all the biggest and most beloved JRPGs at the time and their collaboration paid off in spades
unfortuantely i don't think it's very fun. yes it's cool when one guy shoots lasers at another guy's sword but it's not an interesting tactical decision. you use that to shred the basic enemies and then all the bosses are "puzzles" but the solution is glaringly obvious most of the time.
there's a lot of good in chrono trigger but whenever someone calls it THE BEST RPG EVER MADE i can tell they don't play many games

>>8219849
>This isn't fanboying it's the truth.
Seems like something a fanboy would say

>>8218431
It's fun. It's good.
It's proto-cinemtatic jrpg bullshit with zero effort gameplay, but it can't be blamed for the genre getting worse.

>>8220484
What the fuck are you talking about man? You sound like you swallowed a bunch of bullshit /vr/ memes without question.
'proto-cinematic jrpg bullshit'
what the fuck are you even trying to say here?
>'genre getting worse'
How? You can't just make statements and assume everyone knows what you're referring to

>>8220498
>Proto-cinematic
Emphasis on story or presentation or mood. A game which isn't built around gameplay, but rather the story it wants to tell.
>jrpg bullshit
Means there's no roleplaying, there's random stat leveling, bare minimum tactics involved.
>genre getting worse
Means old=good, new=bad

>>8220516
Nah man I think you just dont understand what an RPG is.

>>8218434
They introduced good storytelling to videogames. Everyone who grew up playing them fell in love with the medium and made it their main form of entertainment.

>>8220484
that'd be FF2 that started the proto-cinematic jrpg bullshit. FF4 built upon it and CT simply perfected it with optional scenarios

>>8218431
HOW CAN YOU SAY FF7 IS OVERRATED HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU REEEEEEEEEEE

Happy now?

>>8220562
so should i stop playing jrpg?

>>8220574
CT is a cut above all other 16-bit games for, uh, cinematography (not sure what else to call 2D cutscene composition).

I think this is why it endures with new players, while games like FF6 go underappreciated.

>>8220590
Not sure how you took that from what I said, bruv.

>>8220605
you make me ashamed

>>8218431
No it’s not, the presentation of the game is near perfect and it has zero fat or bloat
Multiple endings with very different outcomes
Every character is likeable and has a good and unique story
Sound design is on point as are the graphics
There really hasn’t been any JRPG that comes close to it

feel like i can never play these games
1. really expensive
2. these big super nintendo games, feels like its not my place to enjoy them you know? like its wrong of me to play them as i am.

never played anything big on the snes

>>8220614
>There really hasn’t been any JRPG that comes close to it
Xenogears is like the sequel to CT, production-wise. Lucca even makes a cameo.

It is a great game. It stands out to this day as unique for reasons that have been stated ad infinitum, but I do think it is overrated. I think it was surpassed by several other games on the same console, in particular some action RPGs that came out toward the end of the SNES's life. Front Mission: Gun Hazard, Tales of Phantasia, Seiken Densetsu 3, I would even say Terranigma. Star Ocean surpassed in terms of presentation. Romancing SaGa, Live A Live, and Treasure of the Rudras all surpassed it in terms of RPG gameplay. None of this really detracts from it. All of those games have their reasons for standing out, but so does Chrono Trigger.

>>8220640
I think it is a shame that the Chrono series did not get the treatment that the Xeno series did. In an ideal world it would be still be ongoing. I enjoyed Cross more than Trigger personally; I still have not played Radical Dreamers.

>>8220719
>japan only
fuck... guess ill never play it

>>8220517
I know that I certainly don't care about your definition of rpg.

>>8220730
You can still play them without being Japanese, anon.

>>8220719
Based anon

>>8220769
nah man you cant. huge pain in the ass

>>8218431
Overrated

>>8218683
This. If your whole personal identity revolves around hating things other people like, instead of addressing them on their own merits, then you "hate" Chrono Trigger, to the extent that a person like this can be said to have real opinions at all. That's it.

>>8218431
Both CT and FFVII deserve the praise they get.

>>8218605
>Short

You mean it has good pacing, unlike Final Fantasy VII. FFVII's villains are shit and the game meanders around a lot.

>>8218605
>almost no side content
Are you actually retarded?

>>8220516
>rpg
>emphasizes the story and puts effort into making it meaningful/good
>this is a bad thing
you going to take that mental gymnastics routine to the next olympics?

>>8218605
>FF7 is better than Chrono Trigger
I'm assuming it's because you enjoy
>half the game being "press X to hear next line of dialogue"
>enemies that are rarely memorable and have no relation to the areas they are found in
>materia mechanic rendering choice of party members pointless since they all do exactly the same thing in combat
>hour long stretches where literally nothing happens and you just have to walk around listening to randoms say dumb shit, like Giant Cannon City
>entire game running on a railroad
>story that's twice as complicated as Chrono Trigger and half as coherent

>>8218605
>almost no side content

Are you mentally retarded? Almost every fucking thing to do once the Black Omen appears is completely optional, starting with resurrecting Crono, not to mention the different endings are fucking optional too.

>>8219092
>I re played it like 3 or 4 times and I still don't remember what the fuck was Sephiroths back story or motivation, other than that he finds clones of himself and goes berserk and tries to blow up the planet.

Where you masturbating watching Tifas' tits while playing or why did you not pay attention to the story?

Sephiroth went insane when he discovered at the Shin-Ra Mansion that he was created by Hojo in a laboratory and that his "mother" was Jenova, who all people at Shin-Ra believed was one of the Ancients, the original race of the Planet.

He also wasn't planning on destroying the planet, you dense fuck, his plan was to summon Meteor to hit the planet on the Northen Crater to absorb the massive amount of Lifestream the Planet would release to "heal" from the collision and obtain Godhood. How the fuck did you not understand something so simple?

Reminder: CT has New Game +, FF7 does not.

>>8221642
It also has like 14 endings

>>8221601
Watching cutscenes are not roleplaying

>>8220618
I have no idea what you mean by point 2, but it's very cheap on Steam
>>8218469
Not even to try it and see if you like it?

>>8218434
It's very hard to keep finding new things to discuss about Contra, whereas JRPGs have enough content as well as context to sustain years of discussions.

>>8218434
They're good for neets. Can take forever to beat, don't require friends to get the most out of them, etc.

>>8221984
JRPGs have no more to do with roleplaying than jellyfish with fish.

>>8220618

Download emulator and load crt filter you yard. Why would anyone need or want an original? You can even get a Bluetooth 8bitdo

>>8221637
Not him, but all of it is crammed into the end of the game once the plot no longer matters instead of spaced out through the whole campaign. I think the only optional content available before you get the flying Epoch is going back to open the sealed item boxes for all the element armors.

>>8220614
>Multiple endings with very different outcomes
Most of the endings are just silly gag reels playing next to the credits. I mean, do you really care about seeing the ending where a Nu and a frog are just playing around and sleeping?

>>8222216
Do you not care about the alien ending in silent hill?

>>8218491
>and was innovative for ... have monster battles that you could avoid and see instead of random floor tiles that launch you into a battle
Romancing SaGa called.

>>8218491
>and was innovative for letting you combine attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI54FwiI6kQ

>>8222250
At least that was an ending for your character. This doesn't even qualify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMNqR7F1uSo

>>8218431
people coomed for this game because it was one of the first times they ever saw anime box art

people that complain about random battles need to die or get off my boatd ata a minimum

>>8218469
>no thanks
lowest iq post itt

>>8218491
>blows ff7 out of water
not even close

>>8218491
>monster battles that you could avoid and see
Some of them, but most are invisible ambushes you can't dodge regardless.

>>8220562
>jarpigs
>good storytelling
Yeah, right.

>>8218605
full of conjecture, get raped fgt

>>8218495
you are, because you think these games are about anything except the combat. fuck story and character development. combat is the game part of these games.

>>8220562
Count me out.

>>8219125
>This is just not true.
I love the game, but it is absolutely very short.

>>8219849
>breath of fire sucks
Breath of Fire 2 and 3 are fantastic games and you are a nigger.

>>8218434
Why are you so mad that people will pay hundreds of dollars for Chronotrigger, but you couldn't give away crpg garbage like Planescape?

>>8218491
CAVE BOOBA