/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8095306
I wasn't aware I could emulate a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 right now. That would save me millions of dollars.

>>8095323
yeah get whatever trash car you want and change the chassis and it's pretty much the same yeah

You have to remember that gamers and game collectors are a primarily manchild demographic and the thought of learning any sort of practical skill terrifies these people.

No matter how cheap and easy it is to make basic repairs you're still going to have people snapping their pokemon cartridges in half because they don't want to buy a nintendo bit just so they can tear the battery out with a butter knife because they don't want to buy an iron.

>>8095323
You wouldn't download a car

>>8095332
>you're still going to have people snapping their pokemon cartridges in half because they don't want to buy a nintendo bit just so they can tear the battery out with a butter knife because they don't want to buy an iron
Do you know that feeling when someone describes getting their balls injured and even though you're not experiencing it you can still kind of feel the pain in your mind? I just experienced something similar while reading your comment.

>>8095323
I'm aware you're trying to make the opposite point, but it's pretty much the same. You can buy a cheap car that will do the job of a car, and you can buy a cheap raspberry pi or whatever the fuck to play pretty much every videogame ever made. Videogames will be coveted the same way cars are today.
That said, there is a massive bubble made possible by wata and a huge amount of crooks in the industry right now. I also agree.

>>8095360
You’re wrong. Emulation allows the game to be enjoyed just as through hardware would. You can’t emulate the classic car, period.

>>8095323
just get any car, bro, they all the same

You need to learn how to use a multimeter and other testers, not easy,

>>8095385
Modern cars allow you to enjoy driving just as a classic car would.

>>8095387
If you can't learn how to use a multimeter than you might actually be retarded.

>>8095390
>Modern games allow you to enjoy gaming just as a retro game would.

>>8095385
>you can't emulate the classic car

How so? Enter in a car, go somewhere, there you go. Cars today are even more powerful than old cars, and you can always mod your car to imitate the feel of the old car.
You're argument of
>it's different ok

Is the same autismo as /vr/ pretending that having gba sound from a more advanced soundcard is worse.

>>8095391
You wouldn't even know what setting to use, you don't even know what setting continuity check is.

>>8095419
it's that one with that drawing that looks like a sideways triangle

I just won another debate, just like that.

The future is already here.

>>8095323
yeah it's called a racing game and it too isn't as good as the real thing

>>8095419
If you have a reason to own a multimeter you probably have the mental capacity to at least figure out that continuity is the setting that makes it beep when you touch the probes together.

>>8095332
i'm not a collector, but it is hard for me think of any repairs on older systems i couldn't make. (outside of it being so fubar that i would have to get a whole new board, which i could do, but don't really call that a repair, that's just starting from scratch pretty much.)

;tldr
speak for yourself

>>8095323
Plenty of Cobra Kit car/Replicas out there, Could that be considered Emulated?

>>8095535
That's more like flashcarts or freedvdboot mods. You've still got some actual hardware of something real going on. Emulation is probably equivalent to your mom driving you everywhere.

>>8095552
>Emulation is probably equivalent to your mom driving you everywhere
Yes

>>8095306
Yeah no, there are many ways to play retro games

>>8095552
Emulation requires hardware as well. You're dumb.

>>8095496
turns out anon can do it guys even though he's not a collector or even done it before. I guess op was wrong after all.

>>8095582
In not talking about playing them I'm talking about maintaining a collection

>>8095306
Imagine collecting physically what can be recreated completely in software

Soldering is a good skill though

>>8095323

>>8095636
If you’re not playing them then what is the point of maintaining them for your collection?

>>8095623
i replaced the fan in my laptop last week. had to take everything (seriously everything) off to get to the fan. yes even the screen, every last ribbon cable, EVERYTHING.
It makes sense from a design perspective because most people don't have the tools or patience to do it. and as we all know, if the fan doesn't work, the computer doesn't work. people just go get a new laptop. cost me 17 dollars to fix.

>>8095403
This but unironically. I play all generations and I love games from all generations. Video games are the best.

>>8095306
Weird, plenty of people still have consoles from the 80s that havent broken yet.

>>8095661
>>8095636
Lmao

>>8095623
when I said I'm not a collector i dont mean i don't have tons of great stuff i just don't seek stuff out. have pretty much all the stuff i want so yeah. I'm gonna go back to playing earthbound now. about to finish up threed.

>>8095661
Damn good question. And yet people still do it

>>8095306
or just outright fabricate your own stuff. the maker scene has gotten to that point

Wow, this thread derailed pretty hard.

I can solder OP, it’s nice.

>>8095306
I agree that any hardware enthusiasts should have basic soldering skills, but as you said, collectors shy away from it.
They are just hoarders. They aren't interested in cultivating skills or doing anything of value. They just like having the plastic so they can get reddit upvotes for pictures of their plastic collection. The actually technology inside the plastic is an alien world to them.
Even though I collect games and hardware, I never take offense when people badmouth collectors because I fucking hate collectors.

I collect DOS computers. I kind of enjoy bringing a dead mother board from battery leakage back to life. I've had pretty good luck with it. Just takes patience to let things dry before you test them. Gotta wash the board with vinegar. Then Alcohol and compressed air to help everything dry quicker and thoroughly.

I soldered for the first time today but it was just attaching the 20 pin header to raspberry pi zero.
I'd like to learn more about soldering because I would like to maintain my retro consoles in the future. Does anyone have any resources I can read to educate myself on the subject? Electronic repair, soldering technique and such?

>>8095306
Not my problem
t. Emuchad

>>8096347
Youtube has good resources, but I’ve found a lot of conflicting ideals like where to heat, and how much heat to use.

I recommend starting with non precious objects first, and with low heat. You can still mess things up with low heat, but you can screw them up a lot faster if you don’t have experience and high heat.

>>8096347
Youtube. Watch guys doing what you want to do. Get good equipment cheap from China. Buy good solder from USA. Buy good solder flux from China. Start with smaller projects. That's how you'll grow the skill the fastest in my opinion. I should do more projects, but I've been doing more difficult shit since I was in high school. So I already work on motherboards and things. The only thing I'm not comfortable with doing yet is surface mount capacitors. I have a few Amigas that need recapped, and I'm just not confidant enough to attempt them yet.

>>8096372
In my experience, surface mount electrolytics come off quite easily with one of those 60 dollar Chinese hot-air stations.
However, I recently tried to remove surface mount ceramic capacitors with the same station and had no luck and ended up over-heating the board for the point where a bit of it got warped (the PCB for my white PC Engine seems more sensitive to heat than any other board I've worked on). I ended up using a knife-tip on my soldering iron to heat up both pads at once and then just pushed them off.

>>8095332
I started learning these skills specifically to repair and mod my own systems. Over the past year I've gone from replacing capacitors to PS2 modchip installs, Saturn FRAM mods, and working on CRTs. Getting the hang of a multimeter now and just picked up a real desoldering station.

>>8096395
You probably need a preheater underneath the PCB.

>>8095609
yeah but its off the shelf rack grade low tier pc's or chink built raspberry pie hand helds

>>8096395
I got an older Xytronics Hot Air Station, but I've never had any tips for it. I bought tips from China that were supposed to fit, but they were for a much smaller diameter hot air pen. The Xytronics is a pistol grip hot air gun type thing that connects to the dedicated station.
I also have a Xytronics Solder Tweezers, but I couldn't make them work for shit. Was trying to remove different things from a junk laptop board, and wasn't able to accomplish shit. So I still haven't done much with Surface mount even though I my equipment should be sufficient.

>collecting retro games
collecting labeled plastic

>>8095306
Most classic car collectors don't do their own work. Also, how do you solder something when it's sealed in a plastic case? Also, you're a retarded faggot.

my rasberry pi works

>>8095306
For me, maintaining and keeping my consoles in check is part of the fun. I went into this hobby fully knowing this.

>>8095306
It's already like this for a lot of older hardware. It's already starting to die out.

>>8096502
Gamegear is a good example. Caps leak and ruin the pcb, and most are inoperable because of it.

>>8095346
>your comment
You need to go back.

Whenever I try to solder it just beads up and won't stick to any joints :(

>>8095306
Maintain your shelves where your stuff sits all day?

>>8095323

>>8095338
Then why would you steal a movie?

>>8096689
Do you use flux? If not, you should.

>>8096768
This. Also some PCBs are lacquered, which can be removed with a fiberglass pen. Go to town with it too, I don’t think a fiberglass pen can cause damage.

>>8095306
I agree, but I can't solder. I bought all the stuff and have been trying to solder for a year and I just can't to do it. You think it's an easy because you have the skills to do it but most people don't and never could. It's just one of those things

>>8095306
Your asking to much from people. what we need is more people with your skills offering their services to the community. Its like trying to get through to the Pentagon to get one of fuckers to mod something

>>8095332
Heaven forbid you do any non-reversable modding as well. Fuck these fags

>>8095650
>can be recreated completely in software
Tell that to the Sega Genesis

>>8095661
Who said we're not playing them? Why would you have games and not play them? You're actually retarded.

>>8095332
Forget that, most of these "people" who buy retro games don't even care to play a quarter of the games they own. They like having that big shelf of plastic just like their favorite Eceleb.

>>8096689
Use plenty of flux, and make sure you have a decent station (at least spend 100$) and a decent tip (clean, and don't use that standard pointed tip).

>>8096003
>yet
Key word here. In the future more and more consoles will begin to fail and will need repaired for various reasons. It's already happening.

>>8096314
I guess you're right. Me and you must not be typical collectors.

>>8096485
>how do you solder something when it's sealed in a plastic case?
You open the case first, retard. Have you ever heard of a screwdriver?

>>8096498
I'm happy for you.

>>8096502
Yup, I just repaired a game gear a few months ago.

>>8096689
It sounds like you're getting atmosphere in your solder. You need to use flux.

>>8096926
>You think it's an easy because you have the skills to do it but most people don't and never could. It's just one of those things
At one point in time I couldn't solder at all. Do you know what I did? I wanted to change the battery in a game so I watched a tutorial on YouTube. Don't be a retard. If you can use a hot glue gun you can solder.

>>8097903
Don't do that. Eventually you might have to remove the mod when a better option comes out.

>>8097918
I play all of my games. Go be a retard somewhere else.

>>8097946
Did I say you specifically dumbass?
Or did it hurt because it described you a little too accurately?

>>8097953
It hurt when I put it in your mom because she hasn't bathed since the NES launched and now I have aids.

>>8095306
Soldering?! You can't even get collectorfags to emulate.

>>8098472
Collectorfags will solder before emulation.

>>8097934
>he pries open his wata rated game with a screwdriver
>he calls others retarded

>>8098606
>pries open
You line the tip up with the head of the screw and rotate left, retard.
>wata
kill yourself faggot.

so much salt, careful before it gets arid and don't forget, never feed the trolls.

Basic maintenance should be a learned skill for everything not just games, simple car repairs used to be taught as a part of educational systems, sadly nowadays those lessons tend to be electives at best and most modern cars can't be repaired without a relevant diagnostics computer generally sold at extortionate prices by manufacturers, but like someone previously mentioned, unfortunately the demographics of gamers have a lot of "adult children" that would rather pay someone else to do it for them than learn the skills they could use in a variety of useful ways.

Also as previously mentioned, most want to "collect" the games so they have it like a homage to their favourite streamer and generally these people don't care about repairs or even if it works, they just want it to sit on a shelf.

>>8095332
Yeah or I just don't care if the games work or not and don't have time to fix them if they don't. When I buy them I get the shop to show me it working and then they go in a bin to not be touched. If I want to play them I just do it on an emulator.

>>8098669
You're worse than the poorfags.

>>8098669
Also pic related. Mechanical shit is way easier to work on than electrical

>>8098630
>doubles down on stupid
keep digging

>>8095332
I want to learn. What's a good entry level soldering iron? I've soldered before with my dad, but it has been a long time.

Damn, I miss my dad. I should call him tonight.

>>8095990
Based vidya enjoyer.

>>8099220
You're the retard who doesn't know how a screwdriver works.

>>8099279
>cant stop coping
autism. not even once

>>8096441
>>8096485
>>8096563
>>8097918
>>8098472


Wow, here's one of those multi colored Puzzle Pieces.

>>8098690
Not for my brain. Which is sad since my father is basically an old gear head. My electronics skills surpass his, but I still feel bad I never could grasp mechanics from him to the point that Id feel comfortable working on cars.
I imagine my problem is this rust belt. Constantly I see these bolts on cars that just rust, seize up, round off and need drilled out. I see that and I just see working on cars as a fruitless exercise of futility. If we lived somewhere normal I'd probably be working on cars.

>>8095416
>you can always mod your car to imitate the feel of the old car.
And lose your car the first time a cop sees it because you don't have the requisite safety and emissions equipment for the year corresponding to your VIN.

>>8099265
How much are you looking to spend? Don't buy the ones that just plug into the mains. Get a soldering station. You can buy a Hakko 936 clone for ~20 dollars. They're kinda rough around the edges but they'll be way better then any of the ones you buy at a hardware store and they're the best iron you can buy around that price range.

If you have more money to spend, look into a Hakko FX-888D or (people seem to recommend these over the 888D nowadays but they weren't around when I got into soldering) TS100.

>>8095306
I have accepted this as well. I recently changed a battery on earthbound and now I know how to do it on other carts. I have also adjusted the geometry on a Sony PVM-2130 in the past. I know basic knowledge about he monitor to do picture adjustments but not re capping. It looks simple enough though.

>>8099864
Thank you anon. I'm willing to spend around $150 give or take. I'll take a look at your recommendations. Might as well get a nice multimeter too, since mine doesn't work anymore.

>>8099265
This thread made me think of my dad, too.
When my childhood NES was acting up he tore that thing apart in front of me, making me nervous that it would never work again, cleaned all the contacts with IPA and put it back together with ease.
It worked perfectly until I sold it at a yard sale, stupidly.
People who cower at the thought of taking apart their consoles must have had shitty or absent dads.

>>8099896
If you can solder, you can do recap. Just make sure to get the right capacitors, check out some repair videos if you haven't (although it sounds like you already did), and above all, stay safe anon.

>>8099903
For multimeters, look into brands like Aneng and UNI-T for really good value. You'll find that the ones you find at the hardware store are terrible value compared to what you can get online.

>>8099492
Land of the Free.
Home of the Brave.

>>8099904
I watched my dad mod a few Playstations before I started doing them my self. I still have one of them left. It's a 7501 that has a burnt copy of Harmful Park in it.

>>8099864
>You can buy a Hakko 936 clone for ~20 dollars
Where? I see them for 50 on aliexpress.

>>8099934
I might look into those too. I have a Fluke, but the main dial keeps draining the fucking battery. Maybe I should also invest in some De Oxit now that I'm thinking about it. That might help it. I'm always nervous about De-Oxit. I go to order some and I chicken out. Seems like some of them are good and other's aren't.

dumb

you either learn to solder and buy cheap half-working shit and fix it, or you pay high prices for ready-to-play stuff. just like the car market.

I'm so bent out of shape about my inability to solder. It's absolutely a skill I need to obtain.

They'll just pay $150 for a refurb service

>>8099265
If you think you'll pretty much only ever need an iron for basic quick fixes (i.e. replacing the battery in a cart or like wiring in a new speaker into a gameboy) just get a wireless pinecil, they're cheap as hell and good quality.

If you think you'll ever do anything more serious that takes more time (an will run out the battery on a wireless iron), like putting together a soldering kit or refurbishing a CRT or console, you really want a soldering station though.
Unless you're literally soldering as a 9-5 job most clone models are more than enough. Personally I use a ksger t12 close, it was about 100 moosebux and a really good quality station for that price. You can probably find something cheaper that's good enough as well though.

>>8100229
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32308557694.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.74955d42KA73vK&algo_pvid=57d82bb5-5472-4a0e-a108-e10823cfd2e5&algo_exp_id=57d82bb5-5472-4a0e-a108-e10823cfd2e5-0

You can get them from hobby king too.
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/soldering-station-with-adjustable-heat-range-us-plug.html?queryID=af62c9f81be1d965b7f2ffb961b199a0&objectID=17549&indexName=hbk_live_products_analytics

Dumb question here:

What's the trick of soldering smaller chips? Magnifying glass and different sized solder guns or what?

>>8101423
Those, as well as some quality flux to keep you from bridging traces.

>>8101423
Stuff like surface mount? They're easily done with a regular iron. You don't need a different sized soldering iron. If you want to solder a QFP, (pic) for example, you can just line it up with the traces, tack one pin down with solder, put some flux on the board and some solder on your tip, and drag ur iron on the pads. You only need a magnifying glass to inspect your work afterwards.

Only until you get into BGA (electrical contacts at the bottom of the chip), is when you need fancy equipment etc.

>>8095416
>Cars today are even more powerful than old cars
depends on the era, but that's not universally true; someone did some tests and modern cars were often weaker and less powerful than some older models of the same, thy just have some quality of life features and some shit extra features no one wants

>>8101438
Is it better to use liquid or paste flux for soldering?

When I was just getting started I bought a bunch of random solder accessories and a liquid flux pen was one of the things I got. It definitely has flux in it that comes out when I apply it to solder points but I can't tell if it's really even making a difference. Maybe my pen is shit or maybe liquid flux is just shit I wouldn't know.

>>8095416
>Cars today are even more powerful than old cars
That's nonsense. If anything, newer cars have an increasingly worse power-to-weight ratio.
t. mechanic

>>8102013
ASM 559 is what you want.

>>8100758
https://www.banggood.com/KSGER-T12-STM32-V3_1S-Welding-Soldering-Iron-Station-OLED-DIY-Plastic-Handle-Electric-Tools-Quick-Heating-T12-Iron-Tips-8s-Tins-907-9501-Handle-with-3Pcs-T12-Tips-p-1695566.html
It's more expensive but everyone uses it. The D24 tip that comes with it is alright but the BC3 is better.

Most cartridge systems will outlive anyone alive to read this, assuming you replace the caps every 30 years or so. Even more complex 32 and 64 bit systems will stand the test of time especially with optical disc emulation.

Any cheap desolder stations worthwhile?

>>8102176
Desoldering stations are a lot more expensive for the good ones and generally something that's more of a professional investment rather than something you'd buy for a hobby. If you need to remove components you're better off with a solder sucker.

>>8102173
>replace the caps every 30 years or so
Should you wait until they fail before you replace them? Or is it better to do it before they fail?

>>8102224
Man, I just want to install an NESRGB and have no confidence I would be able to desolder the CPU and PPU without a desoldering gun that's at least 150 dollars.
It's hard to justify but after I get one it will make any future recapping etc. that I do faster and easier, so I think I'll take the plunge soon.

>>8102236
Yeah I'm in the same boat. I did a cap job on my crt with a solder sucker and it sucked big time. Gonna just suck it up and buy the hakko desolder gun, specially for the NES rgb kit.

>>8101423
There's no "the trick" but there are many different methods that work better or worse depending on what parts you're working with, your level of skill, tools available, and many other things.
The technique >>8101521 describes is easy enough and requires nothing but solder and flux. And skill and experience. Just watch the youtube and see how some guys do this in seconds with no mistakes while others fuck around for half an hour.
Personally I generaly use a stencil to coat the pads with solder paste and heat that with an oven or rework station. It's much faster, more accurate, and less prone to errors. But it requires many more and more expensive tools.

>>8101423
First flux
then __flux___
and finally _____flux_____.

Is micro soldering something any of you know how to do? Like to install an HDMI mod.

>>8099272
>Vidya is a fat, obnoxious, Indian ICU nurse at the hospital where I work

I do not enjoy her.

>>8103097
I've done it a couple times. Just get a decent iron
(one with a digital temperature readout that won't lose heat too easily) on low heat, something to magnify your view, make sure your tip is clean, and use plenty of (GOOD) flux.

>>8095306
>either know how to maintain them
>or be willing to know how to maintain them
teach me...

>>8102906
flux is like using action replay on your soldering, it's ludo & kino

>>8102176
Look into the Engineer SS-02 desoldering pump. It's more expensive then the 3 dollar cheapies but very worth it.

>>8095306
>collecting software
lmaoo

also get a chisel tip don't fuck with a conical lmfao

>>8095306
The soldering required for battery replacement and console maintenance is really not hard to do at all.

>>8102176
I've been using pic related for decades because it's the best all around desoldering tool I've ever found.

>>8104056
Terrible advice. For the extra money you could get something that's not shit with a nipple on it. Any spring loaded shit is a disaster for working on old boards. Enjoy sucking those pads off the board faggot.

>>8095306
>Soldering will be an essential skill
it already is

>>8099265
I'd recommend the pinecil its really good
https://pine64.com/product/pinecil-smart-mini-portable-soldering-iron/

>>8100758
>not using t12 tips
into the trash

>>8102906
not him buy i rarely use flux the flux in the solder is usually enough

>>8106234

>>8106385
no my soldering is good, you dont need extra flux unless youre a tard and like to put the solder on the tip of your iron and let it sit there before touching the joint

>>8106447
>no im tots not a dumb kid who only tried soldering once and couldn't afford flux so don't know much better that would have been
legit af

>>8106498
I have flux i use it with my hot air station

>>8095306
This thread reminded me that I need to replace my shitty cheap brand soldering iron. Anyone have any suggestions for some actually good soldering stations? Upwards of 100 bucks is probably what I want, I'm sick of the Chinese quality shit.

>>8106504
Get any aliexpres hakko t12 clone ksger is pretty good

>>8102230
do it once they fail or once the performance of the console is actually severely worse than before, that's how you'll know it's time to do it

>>8106507
Thanks. I was trying to reflow the solder on the main CPU chip in a beaten up GBC recently but the labels showing the temps fell off the piece of shit iron I have. I cleaned it with IPA regularly, get any oxidation off but it still doesn't work for crap. Flux helps a lot but it still messes up when I'm trying to do a basic job like reflowing solder. I'm just going to suck it up and buy an expensive good quality product next time.

>>8106517
Yeah I went through like 3 shitty irons from a store near me before I got a t12 clone. The difference is crazy, i'd recommend getting on of these brass wool tip cleaners too if you dont have one

>>8106521
Ah shit thanks for the heads up

>>8106504
>This thread reminded me that I need to replace my shitty cheap brand soldering iron.
>Anyone have any suggestions for some actually good soldering stations?
why don't you try first by actually reading the thread?

>>8098606
>WATA rated
Are you one of the heritage auctions scammers?
No?
Then WATA isn't worth shit for you.

>>8105683
Those are hot garbage. Either get the Engineer or pony up the cash for a desoldering gun.

>sucking pads
Your soldering iron causes the pads to come off you retard. Maybe apply less heat next time?

The PACE series of soldering lessons is a good start.
A bit dated but still relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s

>>8104056
its annoying that solder gets stuck in them all the time and you gotta pull it out, I've gone back to just using solder wick to clean through holes because its faster

>>8106978
Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

>>8102126
Any good websites or suppliers to buy flux from? Seems like amazon and ebay are just nothing but bootleg brands, don't know if that's any good.

Wish they stocked soldering supplies are home depot or something, geez.

>>8107569
Look for brands like Kester, MG Chemicals, Multicore, Chipquik etc.
Amazon stocks some MG Chemicals and Kester stuff. Digikey is also a good place. Cheap shipping and they have a huge selection.

>>8106973
>weller military soldering stations are hot garbage
>sucking doesn't suck
Epic