/vr/ - Retro Games

- Supported some combo WiFi+BT dongles. Tested TOTOLink A600UB and noname black dongle with green text "WIFi5 BT+AC600 Driver-free". Both are using RTL8821CU chip.

- New BT pairing script (pairing dialog in Main). Since BlueZ 5.x uses very different interfaces, a whole pairing script has rewritten. Now it includes several important additions: 1) Support for BLE input devices pairing. 2) Dialog doesn't finish. It keeps waiting for new devices till user press "finish" (or short press of OSD button on I/O board). 3) You can delete all pairings (sometimes it's required to get successful pair) by pressing backspace key (or long press of OSD button on I/O board).

- Support for BLE input devices. Tested on Flydigi Vader 2 and iPega PG-9191. One important difference from classic BT devices is BLE device connects almost instantly. So BLE gamepad works like RF - you press the button and it's connected instantly. BLE devices usually can be paired with several hosts. So if you have several MiSTers then you can pair to *maybe* all of them.

- Both WiFi and BT dongles now fully plug-and-play, so you can insert/remove them at any time and they are ready after plug (However if you plug different WiFi dongles without rebooting, then probably only first one will be able to re-initialize - it's related to how linux enumerates WLAN devices). Some BT dongles get stuck on booting sequence, so Main will try to "kick" it to make it work.

- Now kernel uses loadable (.ko) modules for WiFi and BT devices, so be aware when you try to change the kernel as modules are inside linux.img and may be not compatible with other kernel! USB host devices is also in loadable module to reduce the "crowd" in booting process.

- bt_auto_disconnect INI option to disconnect BT gamepads/keyboards after some time so their battery won't dry (some gamepads have no built-in timeout). This option doesn't work for BLE devices.

- Support for joycon split/combine mode (press L1+L2+L3 and R1+R2+R3 to combine or split). In combined mode joycons use Switch Pro mapping. (You have to map gamepad in combined mode again). Note: while it's fun to try joycon in combined mode, it's not as good as normal Switch Pro gamepad by several aspects, so better to use Switch Pro controller.

- Mice with up to 8 buttons are supported now.

- Execute /media/fat/linux/user-startup.sh script upon boot if found. This is for additional user supplied customizations. Try to keep changes in linux.img minimal, so linux update won't affect your settings.

- Added more python modules such as curses, zlib and others.

- Many other tweaks and fixes in Kernel and Main.

Surprisingly verbose changelog for Sorgelig.

>>8076661
So is this a meme or actually good idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDIz8WY6zLE

>>8076846
I like the board, the case could look better but maybe they will upgrade it if the board is popular.

>>8076846
Case is pretty grotesque, but the idea is sound. The current cases available are pretty terrible.

sold my mister for a raspberry pi

>>8076846
>>8077290
>>8077403

Hello Anon's. I just want you to know that you guys should at least wait until the end of this year. :^)

>>8077438
:) thanks anon, no ill will intended. I think the project kicks ass, I know 3D printed stuff is tricky at that size. You're not from the cave are you?

>>8076846
Case looks like a bad PC Engine rip-off but apparently if there is enough interest, they will be Kickstarting a injection moulded case with a different design.

>>8077467
>You're not from the cave are you?
Nope. But I am someone who knows that something will be shown or rather be announced in the next two to three months.

>>8077518
neat!

>>8077438
Is that you Neil, you bald fuck?

>>8077609
No

>>8076661
This seems interesting. Is there an advantage it has over using a RasPi or a just a PC with Linux on it? Is it trying to go for specific hardware that is closer to what it emulates?

Seems a cool concept but I think I'm missing the point.

>>8077697
Yes they both rely on software emulation. MiSTer is hardware emulation.

>>8077697
Low latency, consistency (on speed and sound ),, accuracy you can connect real hardware if you want, you can connect pretty much all usb controllers and there is no need to fiddle somewhere to make them works, you can even connect real game boy hardware and MISTer will be recognized as the real deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBjOG_HliE


Is it perfect every time ? No it isn't there is still room to still optimize here and there, but we are really not that far from this point for most of the cores,

>>8077290
>>8077403
It is ITX, so you can just use another case.

>>8077609
>Spotted the Kevtris

Coming to terms with the fact this thing will never run N64; should I just buy an Everdrive 64?

>>8079021
Yes don't support ebay

>>8079021

with all the cores it has and that is coming, saturn, ps1, who cares about n64 really. a handful of good games and the rest nostalgia blinders on.

>>8077408

Why sell it. Raspberry pi is so cheap anyways. Id wait and see if you could get more. Something tells me more and more normies will get Mister and before you know it they'll be scalping that too. You literally have nothing to lose holding a mister fpga right now.

>>8079021
For now, this might be the best decision. As far as I know, the chink N64 everdrives are cheap and good.

>>8079175
because its got literally the best game of all time on it

>https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-snac-controller-adapters/
How is about input lag/latency with these adapters and original controllers? Which arcade controller is the best for MiSTer?

>>8079175
The N64 was my primary childhood system, so it has a special my heart and I have an interest in recovering my library (we had a burglary, and my parents bought me a PS2 to make up for the theft). Yeah it's nostalgia, but it's strong nostalgia.

>>8079035
>>8079426
Thanks. I'm in no rush ultimately though, so I might wait for a black friday sale on krikzz's store.

>>8079179
Do not feed the trolls.

>>8079175
>n-no we don't want the N64 anyway
Mistersister cope on display right here. The only thing your $300 fag box does is emulate piss simple systems anything else can run just about perfectly.

>>8079179
>Something tells me more and more normies will get Mister
it's too complicated, most people can't even dd an image to an SD card anon.

The only non-usb controller I own is a PS2 controller. What's the best way to hook it up to a mister?
Also, I'm not buying a $60 25 year old snes controller covered in literal decades of gamer goop.

>>8081147
It won't be with the soon-to-be-released MiSTer Multisystem Board.

After successfully setting up a0486 I think its actually worth the money and with more support on the way its definitely something you might want to pick up if you have disposable income. At the end of the day you can emulate shit on your phone, its up to you how accurate or authentic you want the experience to be.

>>8081437
isn't that $600-800 worth of hardware?
Compared to the shit normies do like just using their phone or buying roms from nintendo?

>>8081194
The MiSTer takes USB controllers though.
If you prefer a PS2 pad for whatever reason, google "raphnet".

I really feel that people keep over-selling the supposedly intrinsic and fatal limitations of software emulation when you're comparing CPUs operating at GHz clock ranges with extremely dynamic per-clock processing capabilities, designed to solve general problems in the most efficient way possible, and plenty of ability for intrinsic parallel processing to systems in the low MHz clock ranges. Even if there were an implicit 0.0000001 Second gap between processes which would natively be parallel, you think that would matter? That's not what explains the 20ms input delays that plague software emulation. Clearly there are software-level improvements that can happen here as well as problems with the nature of modern system architecture that are being swept under the rug.

But at the same time, I am very glad that this kind of thing is happening. It's really another level of preservation.

Raspberry Pi

TI-99/4A core got a huge update:
>Fix speech overflow
>Added Disk support for two SSSD/DSSD floppies.
>MiniMem cartridge support.
>Can handle cartridges up to 512K. (Core now requires SDRAM)
>Support for Paged 7, 378(UberGrom) and 379 cartridges.
>Can now switch between NTSC and PAL video settings.
>Tweaked/Added some Keyboard Mappings.
>Tweaked some timings and system clock.
>Option to turn on Alpha/Caps lock on initial boot.
>Utilize Keyboard LEDs for Alpha Lock and Drive activity.
>SAMS memory upped to 512k and can now be disabled via OSD.

Go play some games on the father of ColecoVision and grandfather of Sega Master System.

>>8082559
Great, my very fist machine.

>>8082723
Away with ye laggard!

>>8081561
No, it's about $350 for the MiSTer Multi System and a DE10-Nano.

>>8083530
How is it cheaper than a standard mister build?

>>8082729
Kinky.

>>8083713
It's basically an AIO in a convenient form factor.

It IS cheaper than sourcing the parts separately and also comes with a 2 year warranty.

Anyway, the advantage of MiSTer is you can spend as much as you want.

If money is an issue, go for a barebone setup with a $5 USB 2.0 hub, a 32GB SD card and 32GB SDRAM. Would cost about $200 including the DE-10 Nano.

>>8084421
*32MB SDRAM

It has huge potential, that's a lo of cores and if PSX core is real you are gonna need like 500gb to 1tb microsd cards, which are cheap anyways. This is the future guys. Its neat experience.

>>8079021
Get an everdrive and Retrochink 2X. As good as it'll ever get.

>>8084937
I'm probably just gonna load shit over LAN.

>>8076846
I like the idea of a consolized MiSTer with inbuild SCART, VGA and HDMI quite a lot.
Feels like it'll be more worth it whenever we can get Saturn, 64 and PSX cores though.

Are all cores more or less lag free?

>>8076661
any of you gonna get this it looks decent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDIz8WY6zLE

>>8085863
If they revise the design, maybe.
I like the idea, however while my acrylic case is kinda shitty the aesthetics are still better than that thing.

>>8085905
yeah it is a bit ugly lel but the expansion board is nice

Can this run sega saturn? Saturn seems to be the biggest resource hog when it comes to emulation

>>8086032
PS1 and Saturn are being worked on right now, too early to tell.

>>8085905
I like the general design, but the shitty 3D print does it no justice. They would need to lock the board layout before doing a run of moulded cases, but he did say the case would be open source, so maybe someone in China will do proper cases when they rip off the board.

>>8086032
Seems like Saturn will be possible.

>>8085412
Same latency as real hardware is pretty much the main attractive factor of MiSTer

>>8086032
Last update on Saturn development was a month ago, the dev got a few commercial games running with some visual glitches and EARRAPE provided by unfinished sound implementation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUdfSq9Hw7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3V3M-k61xU
He got this far in only half a year. I'm sure we will get the completed Saturn core by Christmas.

Devs on Github should really do some cleaning and close fulfiled bug reports on many cores. People who submit them often don't close them themselves, creating a public image of dozens ongoing bugs.

>>8086901
The wonders of Patreon money

>>8089761
The nation of Ukraine gotta eat, you know.

I got this metalish case / buttons on Etsy and made some daemonbrite adapters to use with an SN30 2.4g, M30 2.4g, and Krikzz Joyzz as my 3 primary controllers. r8 my setup

>>8089761
Not really. The same developer released a fully working SNES core out of nowhere nearly 3 years ago for free.

>>8089949
How's the latency?

>>8090845
I spent a while rotating through the contorllers with Super Mario World, just jumping and moving around. The joyzz is the fastest, but of course lacks should buttons. The M30 is second fast and the SN30 is third. But they are all really, really low latency and essentially imperceptible. It's possible I was imagining some differences. It feels effectively the same to me as playing with a wired SNES and a SNAC adapter.

https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1433038669460516864
First sign of life of my new #MiSTerFPGA PlayStation core. You can follow the source code development here if you like: https://github.com/RobertPeip/PlayStation_MiSTer

>>8092581

Imagine being one of the drama babies who quit the previous PSX core project and seeing this. He's not even using any of their work, extremely based.

>>8079021
I bought one from Ukraine a year ago. Works good, but there's almost nothing to explore from the N64's library. Don't buy one for Japanese exclusives.

>>8081506
I really enjoyed playing Heroes of Might and Magic II on MiSTer.

>>8082559
So what's worth playing on the system besides TI space invaders?

>>8084956
That's apparently become more a thing lately. However I don't believe I would bother trying this with Wifi. Only wired Ethernet.

>>8092812
Alpiner is a goofy mountain climbing game with digitized speech.

>>8092797
A million times this. Shame really

>>8092606
none of their work would be useful anyway since it wasn't developed for a DE10 nano

What is a mister and can I play CBS1, 2, 3 and other arcade games with it on a CRT?

>>8095634
No.

>>8095634
1 and 2

>Latest Updates

Linux & Main:

- Update Linux (buildroot) to v2021.02. So pretty much all packages got updated. Actually i'm not a big fan of updating the whole OS as MiSTer is not a PC and doesn't need upgrade without a good reason. Anyway it's worth to upgrade after 4 years.

- Some optimisation in boot sequence: connman has been removed in favor of traditional dhcpcd. Connman was used only for ethernet configuration but caused some disruptions in WiFi and BT while booting. So disk statistics utils were added (dstat, iostat, iotop).

- BlueZ (bluetooth stack) update to v5.61.

- Fixed: disk LED in previous release showed false disk activity.

- Added USB WiFi drivers: RTL8188EU, RTL8188FU

- Input: removed use of motion sensor in DualShock/DualSense.

- C64: fixed T64 format handling.

- Menu: arrange status icons dynamically.

Note: Linux release now uses 7zip compression due to size restriction on github.

>>8099134
It always impresses me how alive this project is.
With retro games you'd think there'd be a point where there's no more room for improvement, but they're constantly finding something new to optimise or augment.

>tfw having loads of fun setting things up but barely know what I'm doing when it comes to finding games I like for half these systems

>>8101164
That's the upside of developing on one piece of hardware.

>>8104135
TFW you find out MiSTer is One Piece.

>can barely run ancient 2d dos games
>doom you have to size down to get it to run at an acceptable framerate
>mfw people think this is going to run relevant ps1 and saturn games at full speed

>>8105335
Not really how it works.
If the complexity of the circuit board (when described in HDL, in terms of the quantity of gates) is less than the number of logic units available on the DE10 FPGA then the MiSTer can run the system fullspeed. The previous PS1 core was being developed on an FPGA platform with less logic units, thus the DE10 is literally more than capable.

>another mister thread of shills and tards arguing

ok fags
which cores do NOT work with analog signal output

i want to use it as a vintage computer simulator (apple, msx, c64, amstrad, amiga, etc)

am i fucked if i buy one and plug it in to my crt pc monitor?

>>8105818
>which cores do NOT work with analog signal output
Here's a list.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Analog-video-output-compatibility

Generally speaking, pretty much everything supports analog output. But most of the systems you've listed put out 15khz, given they were intended for 240p resolutions. You'll probably have to use line doubling or something, I wouldn't know given I use mine purely for 15khz.

>>8105859
seems like its basically a homerun
i prefer actual hardware but microcomputers are my personal line in the sand- expensive, finicky, rare, bulky, more points of failure (keyboards) , etc


i'll probably snag a mister at some point
i want to put one in an atari 400 case but i dunno if it will fit

>>8105408
These days it isn't so much a FPGA size issue but a memory bandwidth issue.