/vr/ - Retro Games

Two new arcade cores

Jackal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGYcXRo4_DM

Iron Horse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGoROwqYpwP9U

why does this fucking product shill general not get deleted?

>>7983185
Just to make you mad

>>7982956
any news on a n64 core?
emulation in pc is garbage!

>>7983349
>emulation in pc is garbage
It's doubtful that N64 on an FPGA will be substantially different, especially at the outset.

>>7983349
http://www.ultrafp64.com/

>>7983349
https://mobile.twitter.com/UFp64

>>7983185
Because:
a) it's not a product, it's a community-developed open-source project, the same as Retroarch
b) emulation is allowed to be discussed here

>>7982956
>Saturn is coming
Except I can already play the Sega Saturn on my CRT TV and HDTV.

>>7983185
Getting mad at MiSTer and getting mad at RGB are the oddest autism fights on this board to me

>>7982956
I don't have one, but I've got to admit that's one aesthetic coomlection. Especially when you compare it to the alternative.

>>7983643
>attached image
Yoshi's Island DS is not retro.

>>7983185
Because the mods are getting paid now if they allow the shills to advertise this overpriced emulation box.

>>7984004
It doesn't say Yoshi's Island DS anywhere. Plus retro remakes are allowed.

>>7984016
DS wasn't a remake

>>7984016
Baby Wario is not a retro character.

>>7983185
Why don't you just go to Mr. Addons and buy a MMIISSTTTTEERR. What are you... POOOR?! LMAO

>>7983353
N64 on an FPGA that can handle it would nearly be perfect. Unfortunately I highly doubt we'll ever see N64 on the DE-10

How does this look?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001417547280.html

>>7984450
Haven't seen anyone buy this version before but it seems pretty close to spec besides the USB hub. On paper it looks fine assuming there's no shenanigans going on.

>>7984915
What about the USB hub?

>>7984927
It just looks like a different design than the "official" one. It's probably fine

>>7985365
Does Blister matter when it comes to modern USB controllers or is it only good for old controllers?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/ChannelF_MiSTer/
What is this? There's a Fairchild Channel F core on project's github without any released builds?

Threadly reminder: Rotate your cores regularly or, really if you're not poor you should just have one mister per system you intend to play. You don't want to fuck around with gate burn-in, it can get ugly.

>>7986347
>rotate your cores so they don't burn in
lmao what a copebox
>>7983126
Wow 2 new games that have been emulated by Mame forever? What's the use case for this, a single game arcade cabinet? But if you do that the gates will burn in. Buy a new Mister for every arcade rom (if you're not POOR!)

>He/they thinks mr cores are the actual chips implemented in FPGA and not reverse engineered approximations of their functionality

>>7986347
>>7986357
Every thread with you. At least focus on the "MiSTer is 1:1 copy of a console's chips" retards instead of just making up shit.

>>7986347
At this point it's a welcome meme.
>>7984927
I bought the MTT one off of Amazon for 20 bucks. Not sure if that's causing me trouble since I'm having USB problems. Can't connect my RF M30 but only one or two sockets. My DaemonBite adapter ghosts buttons all the time. Think I might actully spend the fifty bucks and buy a Mister USB board. I don't know why it would be necessary, but I'm having USB trouble.

>>7986430
Not sure which one you're talking about but the MakerSpot OTG hub worked fine for me if you don't want to spend the extra dough for the PCB sandwich. Sounds like your hub isn't getting enough juice or something.

How are my white brothers doing today? I went into an Indian restaurant the other day and when gurkminder came around with the bill, I took out my mister and put it on the table. He instantly started raging and crying curry scented tears, it was amazing. He offered to let me fuck his wife but I'm not into miscegenation. What do I look like, a software emulator user?

>>7986441
It should be. I think it's power supply was around around 3 amps. Is the MakerSpot OTG hub MTT?

Just picked this up, what am I in for?

>>7983353
Uhhh...
http://www.ultrafp64.com/

>>7986840
1:1 copy of console chips and zero lag.

>>7986347
>>7986357
Gate burn-in is the new rotational velocidensity

>>7986347
Imagine not using gate grease...
At least shake your MiSTer every 24h to unstuck the gates you retard.
What a pleb.

>>7986347
Analogue says otherwise.

>>7982956
I got something like this from China, super console X, 50k games. Has issues with some Saturn/64 games but understandable, good enough for all my favourite classics. (And it’s cheap)

>>7987235
Why are you posting a general-purpose computer in an FPGA thread?

>>7987235
>Has issues with some Saturn/64 games

>>7987121
If you're running a CD core just flip the PCB upside down for better seeking

>>7986840
cycle-accurate mist

>Saturn is coming
No it's not.

>The FPGA becomes the bare circuitry of the actual chips. Any comments saying otherwise will be downvoted

>>7987271
Yes, it is.
https://twitter.com/srg320_

>>7987271
Just like SuperFX was never coming for SD2SNES

>>7988247
They doubt the power of the FPGA. When will they ever learn?

>>7982956
Fuck off Shill

>>7988364
Thanks for the bump!

https://youtu.be/CUdfSq9Hw7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3V3M-k61xU
Bug and Earthworm Jim 2 booting, no audio yet

>>7988247
>somebody made it for free so ikari can make even more money with sd2snes
still laughing all laughs

>>7988742
Nice! Here I was thinking this core was going to be a really long way off, but it's making massive progress really quickly.

>>7989429
Saturn before PSX.

>>7989752
This is the way god intended it to be. And it is good.

>>7987235
>50k games
>Atatri

Okay, let's do this.

600 - PSP
380 - N64
2,000 - DS
650 - DC
4,000 - PS1
1,000 - GB
1,500 - GBA
700 - NES
900 - GBC
1,700 - SNES
500 - Atari 2600
70 - Atari 5200
60 - Atari 7800

That's about 14,100 games, rounded up. Got to love those 35,900 romhacks.

>>7988917
At least the SD2SNES is open source open hardware. Nothing really stopping you from making and selling one.

>>7987235
I like the case design concept even though its a SNES ripoff it's an interesting take.

>>7986347
I was concerned about this, every single time an fpga starts it loans program code inside it. With flash based memory this would cause degradation over time but not so with ram. I don't know if fpga is one or the other or a combination. You wouldn't want to writing flash all the time including the sd card if its not necessary.

>>7988742
Impressive.

>>7991052
Its a meme you tard, it dosn't operate like flash memory

>>7986347
Yes, also make sure to install the gate flashing core that alternates between many cores rapidly to fix stuck gates.

>>7991052
Flash memory uses gates that have to change their state phisically with writes, so they degrade with time. RAM uses capacitors, they just conduct energy and don't degrade with use.

>>7989752
I'm just hoping that the SH-2 implementation leads to 32X and CPS3 cores

>>7992310
Same, Analogue is plaining to release an upgraded version of the Mega SG with Sega CD and 32X support, complete with a Sega license for the bios as well.

>>7992565
>Analogue is plaining to release an upgraded version of the Mega SG with Sega CD and 32X support
I doubt that

>>7992565
They don't need a new product or upgrade anything, the demand for the Analogue Pocket is so high that it will be enough to keep them in the green for the coming years.
Even if they start to make batch of 50k units, they will still sold out in less than an hour, they found their golden goose so why even try something else ?

>>7982956
Shill

>>7994179
It boggles the mind how they cn get away with how their products are priced, they have a "sticker price" that's total bullshit because they make their shipping really fucking expensive to make up for it

>>7995291
Not trying to justify it but they have a shipping partner that charges an extra premium and secondly their products are more securely packed than pretty much anything else I've ever bought online.

>>7995291
stop being poor
simple as

>>7996005
If I don't care about using cartridges I have no reason to buy one
>>7995784
It's still way more expensive than it should be, making sure the shipping is good is the bare minimum

>>7987240
Why is there an FPGA thread on a retro gaming board?

>>7997775

What's the chances of a PC-98 core?

>>7997973
Well the Mister itself is not retro Hardware.
Vita emulation topics get deleted because of this. So the same rule should apply on the mister.

>>7998684
The Vita played modern games. The MiSTer plays exclusively retro games.

>>7998731
Vita is fine in the specific handheld emulation threads.

This is the FPGA emulation thread.

>>7998741
>Vita is fine in the specific handheld emulation threads.
>This is the FPGA emulation thread.
I think I lost some brain cells.

>>7998798
I meant to reply to this guy: >>7998684

>>7998650
There's already a PC-98 core, it's just not implemented in the official core list yet. I don't know much about it but it's on the forums being made by some random japanese guy

>Latest Updates
NeoGeo:
- Use original system clock for AES mode.
VIC20:
- Fix for external tape input.
MRA-Alternatives:
- Iron Horse MRAs (Ace9921)

>>8001184
AES ran at a different clock? Is that actually noticeable or was it mostly changed for edge cases?

>>8002251
AES actually had different revisions with different clock speeds, both a tiny bit faster than MVS.

>>7982956
Shill

So what happened here? game reset itself but the music kept playing (cps2 core I think)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1106632199?15s&t=20m

>>8002518
Gouki beat the game.

When will the cps2 core “actually” be released? I’m interested in getting a mister for the cps2 but would prefer to wait until it’s released to avoid all this private beta shit and constant updating. I just want to play the games.

>>8004065
So wait then.

>>8004116
Till when?

>>8004118
Till whenever suits you.

>>8004065
CPS2 core games are already very accurate, Jotego is just a fucking perfectionist, so that's why it is still in "beta" but technically you have already the best experience outside of og hardware.
Go ahead and try it.

APF MP-1000 core never

>>7993285
They would of restocked the currant Mega SG if that wasn't the case.
>>7994179
No CD drive in the Mega SG + FPGA isn't large enough to store the SH-2 cores = New model of the Mega SG.

>>8002518
>it's not emulation

https://twitter.com/MiSTerFPGABot/status/1422747688190291969
wwwww

>>8006378
That controller is something, perfect for accountants who drive manual.

Never tried lightgun games before.
I suppose you need a SNAC adapter, and that means I'd need to source one gun for each system right?

>>8009754
As is it today, yes, you need a light gun for a particular core to get it working through SNAC. The inferior but more accessible alternative is to just use a Wii Remote or a mouse, but the feeling is obviously not the same.
There's a wip project some dude is making which uses a GunCon 1 as a fake mouse, which would let you play all light gun games with a PlayStation light gun. I'm personally intrigued by that.

>>8009754
Yeah, and sometimes more than one gun depending on the games you want to play.

If you've never played any lightgun games before, I'd recommend just getting a PS2 instead, though. The 3D titles are really when the genre came into its own.

>>8009857
>There's a wip project some dude is making which uses a GunCon 1 as a fake mouse, which would let you play all light gun games with a PlayStation light gun. I'm personally intrigued by that.
I'm still waiting for this, I'm sitting on a GunCon 2 though. I hope it doesn't involve gutting anything in the gun like the Gun4IR method.

>>8007180
So glad I cancelled that shit and got a MiSTer instead.

>>7982956
>so mister is a kind of chips that get flashed to emulate the behavior of old chips,won't work without our official chinese flashed pads so don't expect regular pads or higher quality ones to work.
i could do the same but with a higher end PC,i could grab a mini PC and just install linux and use raw inputs there and will work better.

>>8010864
>i could
You won't.

>>8010864
cool man, thanks for letting us know

>>8009857
>>8010016
Thanks.
I was interested in giving them a shot on my MiSTer just because I realised I've got everything required to finally give one of these games a shot (bar a lightgun itself), but as you said the PS2 probably has better offerings.

By the way, would a 20" screen be too small to play properly?

>>8012376
20" is alright, it's at least better than 14". Ideally you'd want 25" and up, but all it means is you'll have to sit a little closer.

The problem with the mister is that most of the offerings aren't that great. I'm not a huge fan of most of the NES titles, Lethal Enforcers on the SNES/MD is solid but the gun is hard to find for cheap and only works with that one game (well, and snatcher on the MD), Master System is slightly better than NES.

The PS2 has some fantastic titles like all the Point Blank games, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop, and even Vampire Night. All it's really missing is HotD, which has a terrible port of the first game for saturn and 2/3 are both on systems with trash guns, the DC and Xbox. So they're all better off on a PC based setup through emulation/ports anyway.

>>8007180
Kek

>>8012527
As much as I'd kill for one of those 32" PVMs, 20" is the size I've got.
Anyway yeah Lethal Enforcers looked fun but I'm not keen to spend $40 on a Konami Justifier to play basically 1 game.

When I finally get around to ordering a network drive adapter for my PS2 I'll try to source a guncon and give those ones a look. Thanks again.

Is there a way to get composite video directly out from a mister or am I stuck with using an RGB/VGA to composite transcoder?
Also is there a list of cost effective parts to have a complete mister setup that will run all available/future cores?

Super NTs and Mega SGs back in stock on Monday apparently

>>8013850
Is there any advantage of those over the MiSTer?

>>8014738
You can put your carts in them, and that's just epic.

>>8014738
It's only for people that own a collection. If you don't have a collection it loses 90% of it's appeal.

That said... the number of cores on MISTer is so high currently, it is so much versatile with all the controllers you can plug easily without any hassle, It also has better picture quality with way more choices and resolution output above 1080p, of course they keep updating it, it is a way better investment if you look closely to all the things it offers.

Those two Analogue products, I really don't think it will sell well anymore, most of the people that wanted a Super NT or Mega SG even with a consequent collection just bought a MISTer at this point and they are happy with it.

Their only product that currently makes more sense against the MISTer is the Analogue Pocket, since portability is indeed a real plus, sadly so far they have done the worst to sell it with their bad management and pre order wait being way too long, they can point covid as an excuse all they want, they are not the only company affected by it, yet under the same conditions they still have the worst delay among the bunch.

>>8014920
I really want that pocket mang

So I see you can get an academic discount, however it then mentions how should you get in trouble if you get caught, what exactly are they gonna do? I think I will buy it once there is support for PSX or at least the saturn, I can then maybe justify the purchase as an all around retro gaming machine.

>>8014773
putting a flashcart into them is peak epic.

>>8015132
They're definitely keeping everyone in limbo until they can buy the electronic components for cheap again in 2023

>>8015914
>>8014773
What'shisface, Kevtris?, doesn't he surreptitiously release jailbroken firmware a couple weeks after launching each system anyway?
There's not really any point buying a flashcart if you intend to go that route.

>>8002518

I've had this happen on both an emulator and real genuine board one time only. Sound did not keep playing though.

I like to refer to it as Akuma's secret ultimate attack.

>>8017102
Analogue console + flashcart is really common for some reason, probably because people never realize that the jailbreak firmware even exists.
>>8017192
The Akuma fight must be cursed, iirc it's also broken on the GBA port and can crash the game.

>>8017413
>probably because people never realize that the jailbreak firmware even exists.
Probably.
Because at that level of abstraction (flashcart on a clone console) you may as well assemble a MiSTer because there's nothing left of the original console either way and the latter is much cheaper in the end.

>>8017426
>because there's nothing left of the original console either way and the latter is much cheaper in the end
that's the beauty of it

>>8017102
>>8017413
Super NT jailbreak does not support all cartridge chips. It's probably on par with the Super Everdrive than the SD2SNES/FX Pak Pro

>>8006521
They just re-stocked Mega SG today. But feel free to keep waiting for that new version with CD/32X that you just pulled out of your ass.

>>8018007
I have a GPM 01 SNES, should I get a Super NT? Or should I just save my money for the FXPackPro cart on Everdrive?

Why are there a dozen different solutions for hooking an original controller to it and why is there no consensus on them anywhere?

>>8018593
Because it's a hobbyist device? SNAC if you think 1ms matters, USB fast polling otherwise.

>>8018618
Also don't fall for the LLAPI meme, it's not worth it

>>8018539
>Super NT
>FXPackPro
Both FPGA based, just buy a MiSTer and be done with it.

Should I buy a mister if I already own original hardware

>>8019809
I did and then sold my old hardware because it was less convenient and kinda superflous.

>>8019812
How is the pre 5th gen stuff? Is it basically flawless? Is their controller support?
And what's this stuff about gate failure and grease

>>8019809
Yes, offload the rotting plastic now.

>>8019819
Alright should I just sell it to you then?

>>8019825
Why the fuck would I buy your junk?

>>8019818
For consoles? Yeah it's basically flawless. You can use original controllers via a SNAC adapter at 0 latency, but the protocol is married to the core (ie. SNES controller can only be used with the SNES core, and wont work even for main menu navigation) so if you're not a speedrunner I'd suggest getting a daemonbite/raphnet adapter wired adapter for 5ms or less of latency- or something from 8bitdo for the convenience of wireless if you're okay with maybe a frame of lag occasionally. I personally use a Wii U Pro controller.
>And what's this stuff about gate failure and grease
Idiots trying to scare people by adopting the language of CRT phosphor burn-in and N64 analogue stick breakdown respectively.

Isn't mister emulation? No soul

>>8019832
>he doesn't rotate his cores
ngmi

>>8013637
>Also is there a list of cost effective parts to have a complete mister setup that will run all available/future cores


One thing Mister isn't is cheap/especially if you want to play all the cores. I have no idea what is coming down the pipeline but I think just waiting is your best bet.

>>8019838
Stop lying faggot, it's cheaper than 1 flashcart.

USfags, where do I buy shit?
Also I have a .edu email, can I get that DE10-nano discount?

>>8019939
Digikey or Mouser. Though Terasic did have a flash sale at $140 on Amazon recently.

>>8019939
Mauser, Digikey or Terasic if I recall.
You get the discount if you're buying direct from Terasic only, and you need an edu email and to send them a pic of your student/staff ID.

>>8019967
>Yes I'm a student at nignog medical school
>I need this FPGA board for my medical studies yes

I want a mister, but I don't really know a lot about these old PC games, any recommendations of some lengthy ones that might make the purchase seem more justified? I really like lengthier games and have already played most of the worthwhile console stuff

>>8020186
Most of the PC stuff is honestly probably just better off being emulated. Half the stuff worth playing has more modern ports that fix issues, and dealing with some of the quirks of older hardware isn't fun.

Personally I see mister as a great replacement for a bunch of old consoles, I'm not really interested in the PC side because there are so few action titles, and a large proportion of them ran like shit anyway. A frame or two of lag barely even matters for a strategy game.