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Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:41:04 2021 No.8003174 [Reply] [Original]

I've heard some pretty retarded criticisms about this game; everything from "there aren't enough wide open fields" to "there's no 1 frame reload animation for the shotguns". Spurious, meaningless nitpicks. The fact is, this game is better than the original games. DOOM II was my first PC shooter, and 25 years later I can play DOOM 64 and happily admit, without bias, that this is the superior experience. The graphics and graphical style are better. The color palette and lighting systems are better. The weapons are better (both visually and mechanically, such as the vastly improved chaingun and BFG), the monsters are more intimidating with less cartoonish designs and generally greater in size (such as the enourmous Cyberdemon that makes the original look like a manlet), the sprites were sourced from fully rendered 3D models rather than fucking pictures of household objects and toy guns, the ambient music is unintrusive and enjoyable compared to the blaring MIDI tunes found in the PC originals, there are more types of traps and hazards, puzzles and secrets are more complex, the hidden levels are vastly more interesting, and the final boss fight is as good or better than DOOM 1. Say what you want about mod capabilities and wads, but taken purely as an unadulterated singleplayer experience, DOOM 64 is better than the classic DOOM games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:43:08 2021 No.8003175 >>8003174 The game is not fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:43:28 2021 No.8003176 This game is the best classic Doom. Great atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:44:25 2021 No.8003182 >>8003175 I enjoy it. Maybe you're gay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:44:39 2021 No.8003185 >>8003175 Shut the fuck up, philistine.

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Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:44:49 2021 No.8003186

>>8003174
The levels had one-chance switches and some of the secrets were so obtuse you'd never find them without a guide. There were also bullshit traps that would kill you for not knowing they were there which is bad enough in the PC version, but in a game with no quick save it was just mean. So yes, it was overall fantastic, but to say it was better than the original when it had years to improve upon a winning formula and yet managed to fuck it up through a series of bad decisions is just plain wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:45:54 2021 No.8003187 >>8003182 Maybe you have to be gay to enjoy it >>8003185 Shut the fuck up you sodomite

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:46:32 2021 No.8003189 >>8003186 filtered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:47:34 2021 No.8003191 >>8003187 >"no u" Thanks for playing

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:50:06 2021 No.8003201 >>8003186 So... Doom 2?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:51:41 2021 No.8003206 >>8003174 It's the best Doom game period.

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Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:51:53 2021 No.8003208

>>8003189
You're using that wrong. I'm not complaining about the difficulty, I'm complaining that they made schoolboy game design errors in an otherwise damn fine game. I bought the N64 original when it was new, finished it thanks to magazines printing the bullshit secret triggers and did it again more recently on the switch. I wasn't filtered, I criticised. Learn the difference.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:52:47 2021 No.8003209 >>8003174 I like the start of the game, but the level design gets quite repetitive after a while. It is definitely NOT better than DOOM 1 and 2, but I still think it is good for what it is and deserves a spot as the true DOOM 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:53:16 2021 No.8003212 >>8003201 Eh, sort of. D2 is like lost levels, for people who want an extreme mission pack. And it had a quick save so the traps weren't necessarily run ending.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:53:26 2021 No.8003213 >>8003174 https://voca.ro/1cOucmJQ4Zss

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Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:53:41 2021 No.8003215

>>8003186
>the game sucks because it expects to surprise me and have me learn from my mistakes. i also need easily-identifiable secrets so i can 100% every level on the first run and move onto the next game like the retarded redd*tor piece of shit that i am instead of having a reason to revisit the level and explore

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 3 23:54:48 2021 No.8003217 >>8003208 >you're using that wrong >by the way, i didn't get filtered, i actually put a dick in my mouth and- shut the fuck up faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 00:35:32 2021 No.8003290 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2MWISK-apQ

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 00:50:04 2021 No.8003308 >>8003191 Tongue my anus doublenigger

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 01:43:12 2021 No.8003415 >>8003175 FPBP I bought Doom 64 back in the day thinking "there's no way a Doom game could be shit." Boy, was I proven wrong. I swapped it for Mario Kart, and I have zero regrets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 01:52:49 2021 No.8003428 >>8003174 No one except Sonyggers and Saturncels hate this game because they couldn't get a Doom version as good as this one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:06:03 2021 No.8003458 >>8003428 PS1 and Saturn doom are infinitely better than this piece of shit. Youre only holding it in high regard because there is just a handful of mature rated games on the bingbangwahoo64 console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:13:08 2021 No.8003479 >>8003458 >Saturn Not with that framerate. >PS1 Simplified and missing levels. Less enemies too. Meanwhile Doom 64 is a totally new game with new weapons and enemies and beloved in the Doom community. Your turn australia-troon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:33:04 2021 No.8003529 >>8003174 >Spurious, meaningless nitpicks. Welcome to /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:42:23 2021 No.8003550 >>8003174 It seems more complicated than the others in regards doors and mazes. Plus it's way too dark. Other than that it plays similar. Graphics are kind of crap too Maybe

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:44:07 2021 No.8003552 >>8003209 Ya thats how I felt. Not the same as the others in level design. Still playable anyway. No music either. Maybe I'm biased because the others seem put together smarter

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:46:47 2021 No.8003557 It's okay, but it feels more like a fan mod than a full fledged game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:49:29 2021 No.8003563 >>8003215 The poster you're replying to didn't say anything like that you retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:53:19 2021 No.8003565 >>8003557 On the contrary, Doom 64 was the first Doom game that felt like an actual professional game with real art direction. Doom 1/2 felt like cobbled together photographs of toys and shit pasted into a 2.5D engine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 02:58:42 2021 No.8003573 >>8003174 r-slur? in the year of our Lord 2021? YikEs!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 03:21:07 2021 No.8003604 >>8003557 >but it feels more like a fan mod than a full fledged game Really? https://youtu.be/7WUbyZaPRm0

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 03:22:11 2021 No.8003607 >>8003604 >muh ecelebs like it!! kill yourself zoomer

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 03:47:46 2021 No.8003629 >>8003479 >Not with that framerate. Sucks that Carmack's pettiness forever ruined what otherwise could have been the best console port of Doom

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 04:19:43 2021 No.8003672 >>8003607 >muh ecelebs like it!! You mean the guys that actually worked on the game? You fucking mong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 04:35:02 2021 No.8003706 >>8003186 There were absolutely some bullshit traps, like that one level where the floor collapses in the exit room, so if you are standing near the wall you die.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 10:20:54 2021 No.8004159 the only criticism i heard and have myself. game is literally too dark to fucking see in well lit rooms. and i aint basement dweller

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 10:36:10 2021 No.8004192 Great game OP

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 11:08:28 2021 No.8004263 >>8003174 It's my most favorite Doom game. the Doom 64 for Doom 2 megawad is super awesome aswell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 12:27:31 2021 No.8004441 >>8003174 I don't think it can surpass the original, but I hated the N64 and I still felt the magic of Doom 64. I have fond memories of playing it with all the lights out.

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Anonymous Wed Aug 4 12:45:42 2021 No.8004478

>>8003174
As a boomer who has played Doom since 90s, I have bit criticism about this game.

First, it is missing the most interesting monsters of Doom 2: chaingunners, revenants and arch-viles, which makes the combat bit less interesting. At least they buffed lost souls, pain elementals and arachnotrons to create some more challenge.

Second is that the level design hasn't aged very well. Where Doom 1 and 2 are timeless, and their level design is still imitated, Doom 64 has fallen into the usual 90s switch-hunt design, which considered a design sin in modern mapping.

Still I do love Doom 64. I love it's aesthetic. Unmaker is quite fun weapon, and the new boss is cool. One of my favorite games. Not perfect, but what is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 12:58:19 2021 No.8004498 >>8003174 I hate it because it's worse than Doom 2

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Anonymous Wed Aug 4 15:34:54 2021 No.8004889

Instead of comparing Doom 64 solely with other Doom games, it should be compared to other N64 shooters instead.
D64 is contemporary to Turok and Goldeneye 007, compared to them it's clearly outdated, being still sprite based while the others are full 3D, fixed camera and no jumping or ducking, let alone swimming, and very primitive gameplay. It's complex for a Doom game, but it's in the bottom of the barrel compared to other N64 games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 19:36:06 2021 No.8005364 >>8003174 Doom 1 Shareware is the only good classic Doom game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 19:44:40 2021 No.8005380 >>8003215 >so i can 100% every level on the first run If you can't do this with enough analysis and time on any first run, then you have a bad game. Period.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 20:07:26 2021 No.8005437 >>8005380 you're just not trying hard enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 20:34:06 2021 No.8005487 >>8005437 I haven't even played this game, I'm saying this as a principle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 20:49:24 2021 No.8005530 >>8003308 You'd like that wouldn't you, fagmo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 20:59:08 2021 No.8005553 >>8005487 I'm saying it as a principle too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 21:07:26 2021 No.8005574 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IE1NmyrbWA

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 21:46:40 2021 No.8005667 >>8005553 Cool, so we agree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 22:42:58 2021 No.8005795 >>8003174 this game is like doom 3 except not shit, only n64 game i own even tho i dont have an n64

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 4 23:10:45 2021 No.8005860 >>8003565 You’re such a retarded fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 5 02:12:25 2021 No.8006227 >>8003175 >>8003415 brainlets

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 5 03:59:02 2021 No.8006368 >>8003290 >no obnoxious MS-DOS fm soundtrack Wow, that's neat.