/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps v 1.1
https://x0.at/fudU.zip
idgames release TBD

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>7878872

=== NEWS ===
[6-22]Elementalism Teaser Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUyNX7PSJXQ

[6-22]Quakewulf and Norway were rangebanned from 4chan

[6-22]Copper 1.6 Released
https://twitter.com/itslunaranyo/status/1407232161975996420

[6-22]The Purifier for Quake 1 was released
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/purifier.html

[6-22]Quake is 25 Years old!

[6-20] Decino planning a mass co-op event in FTE
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgztyC-TjlDZJAC0bkZ4AaABCQ

[6-20] Ultimate MIDI Pack (full soundtrack replacement for Ultimate Doom) released:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120788-rc1-ultimate-midi-pack-a-community-music-replacement-for-the-original-doom/

[6-19] BouncyTEM releases a name your price Quake tribute album in celebration of Quake's 25th anniversary
https://bouncytem.bandcamp.com/album/slipgate-a-quake-tribute-album

[6-18] Scotty with AD_79 released Cydonia, wad of 22 new Plutonia maps emulating Casali mapping style to celebrate the anniversary of Final Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/121935-cydonia-throwback-plutonia-wad-beta-available/

[6-17] Cannonball released an 8-level mapset for Doom 2 called "Atomic" sometime earlier today.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122738-atomic-limit-removing-8-maps-for-doom-2/

[6-17] TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack is released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/121711-tnt-evilution-midi-pack-v10-released/

[6-17] Painslayer, a Painkiller themed weapon mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72567

[6-14]YamagiQ2 v8.00 was released, Now it supports Vulkan 100% and it has tons of bugfixes and goodies.
https://yamagi.org/quake2/

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niggers tongue my anus

>>7892331
>not inviting Shambler to the party
Come on, Ranger. You guys had so many electrifying moments together.

>record a playthrough of Cringe! and upload it to youtube a few months ago
>talk shit about the levels
>today: "Mark Klem has subscribed to your channel"
wew

>>7892367

What's the best way to play Doom 64?

>>7892448
Doom64 EX
The free one.

>>7892331
What even is this tranny artstyle called? sickening.

I love Quake and I don't always enjoy playing it

The weapon and movement design mean that me enjoying the game is almost entirely dependent on the levels and even some of the official levels bore me, a bit like Doom I guess

But Doom's mapping community seems much more consistent to me, even the big Quake mapping projects I don't always enjoy, they're just kinda hit or miss and I can't figure out why

>>7892448
pirate the new port

>>7892448
>>7892454
This also how the fuck does the steam version require 8 gbs of ram for fuckin Doom?
When it doesn't even look any better than EX?

Is there something i'm missing?

>>7892473
New levels

>>7892497
Oh i just never got it cause i already had EX but i remember looking at the specs and being like wtf 8 gigs for doom lmao

does somebody have a copy of ARCHIE BETA?, i been looking for it 4 month now

>>7892331
What is this transsexual artstyle called? Sickens me whenever i see it.

I think its funny that American McGee forgot to tag any secrets in The Inmost Dens. It very clearly has a few areas that should be considered secrets.

Just finished Post Mortem, overall between all of the episodes and Cryptic Passage I really enjoyed my experience with Blood, the combat was really satisfying and as always with Build games I enjoy how the levels look, now I'm gonna try Death Wish next before going back to Dukey.

Is there a way to beat Blood's trickier levels (like Aqueducts from Cryptic Passage or just about anything from the Plasma Pak) without exploiting the AI or savescumming like a madman?
It's trivial to beat most levels after you realize you can make the AI roam/come after you so you can slaughter them all easily as they show up one by one. But it takes long and feels cheap as fuck. I refuse to believe the devs didn't intend you to engage in traditional, stand-up FPS fights with the Cultists. But their accuracy and reactions (on Well-Done and above) are just bullshit. Even on Lightly Broiled they can randomly have 0ms aimbot moments, though they are considerably less common. I don't understand what was going on with Blood's design, 99% of the enemy roster is barely a threat (I'm the same anon from a few threads back who claimed he has never been hit by a Gargoyle since he started playing, and guess what, I'm at 100+ hours on Fresh Supply and they still haven't hit me) or glorified "QTEs" like the Phantasms, yet the Cultists feel like the Xaero bot from Quake 3.

>>7892532
They forgot to tag secrets in Nirvana and The Living End too.
Lazy faggots.

>>7892559
Cultists are bullshit, the only way I had to manage against them was to either grab a powerup and going crazy on their asses, tossing dynamite on every corner or new room, or just savescumming.

With homing missiles on monsters, do you guys prefer if the missile has a limited lifespan or unlimited? I find it's too easy just to strife around a monster if the homing missiles just dissipate after a while.

>>7892582
I think unlimited makes the type of area they must be fought in too limited, and a train of 50 fireballs circling the big open space to instantly kill you if you slip up slightly is funny as shit, but also not stellar design. If they're infinite, give a way to destroy them without terrain blockage essentially, like letting them be shot. A player should be able to do that if there's nothing else in a space.

fuck guys i gotta learn a little zscript and im stupid
pray for me

>>7892640
Right, makes sense. Cheers Anon. I think I'll set up the missiles to have a limited duration for now.

>>7892560
Don't think Nirvana even has any areas that could reasonably be considered as secret.
True about Living End, though.

>>7892640
>I think unlimited makes the type of area they must be fought in too limited
The Revenant has proven this to be quite untrue.

>>7892680
The Revenant is the poster child of this concept: where having wall corners nearby trivializes them from any distance, and being in an open space or say, on a platform with lava around you, makes you have to turn on Yakety Sax while you run in a wide circle really fast.

>>7891840
Alright. Hope all that work goes well out there.

>>7892671
>Don't think Nirvana even has any areas that could reasonably be considered as secret.
There's a soulsphere in the level that must be lowered in order to grab it. I think that could be considered a secret.

>>7892715
>where having wall corners nearby trivializes them from any distance
Depends a whole lot on their positioning and numbers, and whether there are other factors involved in the fight.

>>7892723
I know of a megasphere that requires a not so hidden switch to be lowered. Didn't know there was a hidden soulsphere too.

So I hate Doom II and I assumed I hated Sandy Peterson

I just went back to check what my favorite part of Quake 1 is Episode 4, almost entirely Sandy

Then I went back and checked Episodes 2 and 3 in Doom 1 which I rememberly fondly, all my favorite levels, stuff like Hell Keep and Slough of Despair, all Sandy

My all time favorite Tabletop RPG, 2e, co-authored by Sandy, and he helped create CoC, it's insane, this dude gets shit on for no reason, he's a literal game design hero and without him all of gaming, tabletop and video, would look different

god bless Sandy Peterson

>>7892738
RuneQuest 2e

>>7892738
Sandy was also a game designer for Age of Empires II. Dude's great.

>>7892847
yeah, Darklands, Sid Meier's Pirates, Swords of the Samurai, minor work on Civilization, he's a literal god of game design

>>7892473
I don't think it actually does, a lot of team system requirements are overkill but then other teams they undersell what you need.
>>7892738
The thing about Doom 2 is they dumped it all on Sandy because Romero was busy being lazy and working with Raven on Heretic and while Doom 2's worst levels are Sandy's so are it's best and most of the Lovecraft stuff in Quake is Sandy.

Ayy

>>7892559
My theory is that the devs kept going back and playtesting the Episode 1 levels since they were shareware, while marginally buffing the cultists each time, to the point where they became much stronger than everything else. But I don't think this theory is fully correct, because all of the other enemies would still be piss easy, unless they got nerfed along the way.

>>7892963
Apply directly to the orifice

>>7892738
After playing d2twid, I learned to enjoy Doom 2 map design.

>>7892738
I also like the E2 of Doom the most and E2M6, which is my fav map was Sandy's first map. He also has shit maps but he made like half the maps for doom 2

>>7892465
It's the arsenal. Quake's shotguns relative to Doom's feel lackluster, the nailgun is always useless when you get the super nailgun whereas Doom's chaingun is always relevant when you run out of plasma. The rocket launcher is ineffectual against shamblers, where Doom's rocket launcher is always a good choice. Mission pack added the hyperblaster and the plasma cannon, but these are not seen enough in user made maps to really give a fuck, whereas Doom II's arsenal is in every user made map. Arcane Dimensions rectifies this somewhat with its triple barrel shotgun, but it's not enough for most players.

>>7892715
Platform surrounded by lava is harder than open area with walls, because if you're good at timing you can stay near the wall, dodge when missiles really close and they hit the wall.

>>7892715
>Map where your only method of killing a cyberdemon is to circlestrafe around revenants and build up a mass of homing fireballs to hit the cyberdemon with

>>7893068
I honestly can’t play Quake because of the weapons. They feel so underwhelming after playing Doom.

Actually Quake levels feel so much slower to me than Doom, and its a drag to play.

>>7892654
https://github.com/jekyllgrim/ZScript_Basics

This guide helped me immensely starting out

>>7893134
>I honestly can’t play Quake because of the weapons. They feel so underwhelming after playing Doom.

It's a consequence of the hardware requirements of a full 3D game with animated 3D models in 1996. Maps had to be smaller, enemies had to be fewer, which meant enemies had to take more hits, which results in weapons feeling weaker.

Modders could easily fix this by rebalancing weapon damage and enemy health to be more doom-like, but then, I guess, it wouldn't be Quake any more.

>>7892654
>i gotta

Do you really gotta?
DECORATE is still there, and far easier for a non-programmer to understand. Not as powerful as zscript, but unless you're really trying to do something fancy, it's all you'll need.

And documentation is 10x better.

>>7893148
Drake mod makes the shotguns more in line with Doom and I love it for that.
https://files.catbox.moe/f6duam.webm

>>7893153
Not that guy, and you're right in everything you say, but it's not even "something fancy", but even simple reloading warrants state jumping and if you go a bit more fancy than that you need over 9000 dummy inventories in addition to a million state jumps.
I was sold on ZScript when I migrated a small mod of mine and could cut down code lines from over 150 to just below 50. For a non-programmer it's really, really hard to get into, but as you sow so you reap and I think in the long run using a more complicated language that enables me to do thing far easier and more elegant is the preferrable solution. The biggest problem with ZScript right now in comparison to Decorate is

>And documentation is 1e100x better.
Fixed that for you

>>7893154
Drake mod?

>>7893163
It was a large mod that got absorbed into AD, but was used to great effect in a number of maps. The maps that use it include the mod, and you can play any id1 based map with it using console commands.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=drake

>>7892331
>HAPPE

>>7893154
Wow, it's garbage.

>>7893195
Nah far from it. Lots of little things like enemies becoming more aggressive with lower health, z-aware ogres, skills 4 and 5; it's a great time. It's become a favorite passtime of mine to run through old id1 based maps with more palatable shotguns.

>>7893154
>Ogre goes down in two close up SSG shots

Perfect. Exactly as it should be.

>>7893184
QAKKE

>>7893234
Unironically filtered.

>>7893068
>hyperblaster and the plasma cannon
Why don't more user maps use these.

getting the turoks from the megas
does rar work with 7z or do i need that progam that has a timed free trial?

>>7893249
7z can open rar files just like WinRar.

>>7892847
I love that fucking image.

>>7893246
He got funneled pretty hard there, Skeeter.

So what exactly is a monster's tracer? Is it the last known location a monster saw a player?

>>7892448
On an actual N64 in the dark, but don't use the default N64 controller, use a Super Pad 64. Works great for its default bindings.

>>7893154
The buff is nice, but the animation needs changing to match imo
Are there any mods that just change the ssg so it's reanimated and retimed/rebalanced to mimic Doom 2's exactly?

>>7893350
why do you want this so badly
do you not understand how completely it fucks the game

>>7893357
im not the same anon, and ive beaten quake 1 on nightmare, i just want it for fun to try it

>>7893350
The shotgun in Quake are not the workhorse weapons, the Grenade and Rocket Launchers are.

I just wanted to play quake multiplayer with decino in next day but FTE are broke for me

>>7892497
>New levels
Like maybe 7 of em'. If you want new levels, check out the EX port of the Outcast levels for Doom Absolution TC.

There's also the UnMaking from Scwiba.
I also hear someone's making his own episode for Doom64 EX with challenging levels and new music on Doomworld. Point is, "New Levels" is a moot point.

Anyone got any CD-keys for Resurrection of Evil? All the ones I've tried so far haven't worked for shit.

i like how turok has specific themes for swimming and cave areas

>>7893068
>It's the arsenal
Agreed. And even putting aside the power, killing monsters rarely feels anywhere near as satisfying as DOOM (especially modded doom) because seeing imps fly back with their stomach bursting open for example looks neat and makes it feel powerful.

>>7893385

>>7893453
I thought for a moment that her hand is getting torn apart from that miniguns weight/recoil or something (a'la GitS) - turns out its just a bit of velcro

>>7891945
WTF is that bulge between her legs???

When playing with Corruption Cards, i made it so Arachnotrons both jumped at the player and could invert gravity.
I also like how Malefactors/Combined Harms made the Archviles and Revenants able to summon their own minions, so i can exploit Dakka's combo system with them.

>>7893487
>i made it so Arachnotrons both jumped at the player and could invert gravity.
That sounds absolutely terrifying

the dropbox link to ARCHIE BETA.WAD aka "/g/.wad" show only the error (404)

Something Ive never got to check all those years ago - is the Uzi Ninja the only one who can commit sudoku, or the other variants are also able to do so occasionaly?
If yes then do they pull an Uzi from outta nowhere just to kill themselves with it - or do they use their grenade/rocket launchers to do themselves in instead?

>>7893570
don't all ninjas have uzi, but some also have other weapons which they mainly use?

>>7893570
SHURIKEN IS MY FAVOURITE WEAPON

>>7892331
YAY QUAKE

>>7893591
I TROW THE SHURIKEN
FWATATATATATA

WHERE IT LANDS... NOBODY KNOWS...

>aaeeeh

THERE! IT LANDED!

>>7893246
It's not a matter of difficulty. It's a matter of finding it more fun to fight larger numbers of enemies in larger spaces.

Ok so there are plenty of tutorials about the various Doom builders that teach you how to form a map, but are there any tutorials on how actually design the gameplay of a map? I'm assuming the bare minimum experience you need to start actually designing good maps is to play through all of Doom 1, 2, and Final Doom; but are their any other good WADs for learning good game design from?

>>7893638
There re lots of tutorials, but they're in written form so your zoomer ass didn't find them.

>>7893648
I'm not a zoomer, I'm a doomer.

>>7893638
BTSX (once you get over the sameness of it all),eviternity,just about anything skillsaw has made are great overall examples.
DOOM64 (for atmosphere,not for direct gameplay,cause doom64 is way too repetitive and easy)
sigil if you want levels that starve you on UV,its really brutal but in a different way than something like plutonia,and its made by Romero.
scythe 2 (scythe 1 is outclassed by scythe 2 in everyway,so you dont need to play it) and alien vendetta if you want for an older style.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/L3Nmzw
kenneth scott posted these quake 1/3 textures

>>7893673
>BTSX (once you get over the sameness of it all)
IMO, the sameness only really applies to E1 (And some maps still standout to me). E2 had a lot more variety.

>>7893068
I completely agree, I feel like I never get enough access to the Thunderbolt, if I do it's hard to get enough cells, there's two shotguns, only one is decent (SSG) and the other is basically entirely useless, even for long range sniping you're usually just wasting ammo because of the spread, there's two nailguns which is redundant, and the rocket launcher AND grenade launcher are useless against the game's most iconic enemy

I wish Quake level packs would screw around with the weapons more, the other problem in Quake isn't just the fact that while the levels are often decently designed, the designers clearly didn't fully understand making 3D levels yet and a lot of the game is piss easy and a slog to go through

>>7893710
true,i usually think of the first episode more desu

>>7892738
I love his enthusiam working as a level designer... but we talking about his work on Doom and his maps were so terrible, I guess some of his ideas were great but mostly poorly executed. I don't hate this guy, but pretending that his Doom maps were fun its just too much. but I have to say that I love more his work in Quake than the first Doom games actually.

>>7893343
>using defaults

>>7892473
they just copy pasted the min requirements for eternal since nightdive and beth are lazy. it works fine on 4gb and win 7

>>7893753
yeah his Quake work is much better overall, I do still like his Doom 1 maps though, even if I think Doom II is entirely terrible

>>7892335
Not sure how this slipped by last thread. Teaser Trailer for Tremor, a 32-level campaign for Quake using vanilla 1996 limitations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkvdSpUxQg

>>7893781
It wasn't linked to the news post. Neither were Sinister or Limits.

>>7893792
Repost those and link at the newspost so next Op does it

>>7892335
Sinister 625 for Quake, a community pack made with 6 textures, 2 surprises and 5 monster types: https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62063

Q25-Limits, a community pack made with strict 1996 limits: https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62064

fucking finally finished all the rotations and frames for the avatar's walking state.
Now all that's left is the complete attack state, all the rotations for the pain state and the shading.
And then all the other characters and enemies.

That said, what monsters and imaginary foes did you fight as a kid? I need some inspiration. Some anon in one of the earlier threads suggested having to fight fire imps and such and I like that, but I also would like to have other monsters. Like, stereotypical green tentacle blobs and such.

>>7893836
Also, can anybody tell me why it's snowing on the players in a network game?

>>7893836
perhaps think of earthbound/mother series for inspiration?
maybe its a bit obvious but a baron/hell knight could be reskinned/typed as the local bully

>>7893856
>maybe its a bit obvious but a baron/hell knight could be reskinned/typed as the local bully
Heh, I kinda like that. And frankly I hadn't really thought of bullies or anything, more like a "kids who are all friends play make believe" kind of deal, although now you're saying it, yeah, it's really obvious, especially since I had already thought about having dogs as enemies, though I wouldn't know how to properly make their death state, since my idea was to have them just run away when they're defeated.
Like, you have some bad neighbor's dog that attacks you and when it's wet enough it will leave you alone.

>>7893912
maybe just have him being all mean and viscious looking by default but when "dead", he's all drenched and cowering with his tails between his legs shaking in place

>>7893912
Have the dog start shaking off and scratching its head maybe?

challenge: play quake but the jump sounds are replaced by neptune's "boing boing kangaroo" sounds

>>7893836
>That said, what monsters and imaginary foes did you fight as a kid?
Ninjas

>>7892473
New levels, and 3point texture filtering support

>>7892738
>So I hate Doom II
Yikes

>>7893928
That's actually not a bad idea

>>7893992
Damn man how old are you?

>>7893990
Only if I get to use the japanese voice.
JAMPU JAMPU KANGAROO NO YO NI!

>>7894043
I grew up with TMNT and Mortal Kombat, Ninjas were everywhere in the 90s.

>>7894091
Anon. Ninja still all everywhere.

>>7894121
If ninja still all everywhere, you kill ninja now.

>>7892738
based

>>7894091
That's what I thought.
90s kid brofist

To take a break from spriting I started laying out an actual leve.
This one is generally modeled after a french village I used to visit a lot back in the day.

>>7893836
>That said, what monsters and imaginary foes did you fight as a kid?
Ninjas were already mentioned, so... I don't know, pirates? Maybe because of the neat, but I can't recall anyone specific. I knew I fought some imaginary enemies as a kid: just can't recall who exactly. What about "Dark [player character name]" kind of deal? Although that could be tricky/impossible since I think you're going for multiple characters, but still.
>>7893912
>especially since I had already thought about having dogs as enemies
Alright, how about homeless guy? Have him as a boss with a death state of him laying on the floor and coughing since his lung decease got worse after the encounter? It might be a too "mature" for what you're going for though, I think. At least that's what I think about another idea I thought about. Because that one would definitely be just too much.

>>7894341
...but pirates!
Yeah, I kinda like that idea. Have all the classics and such, though I don't want to go too much into the "play dress up" direction, else I could go with cops&robbers, cowboys&indians and all that and I don't feel like doing that.

And yeah, that homeless guy idea, while pretty cool in concept, is really dark, because it's too grounded in reality. But as we are speaking of it, I just had the idea of having some kind of wicked witch of the east thing going, you know, some old grumpy woman who hates kids and who they picture as a witch, and as we all know the wicked witch was highly allergic to water.

>>7894347
>Have all the classics and such, though I don't want to go too much into the "play dress up" direction
That sounds good. Just can't think of anything close to "green tentacle blobs" at the moment. Maybe look at games like Ken's Labyrinth for inspiration?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYT87Erjdbo
Oh fuck, mummies! OF COURSE!
>while pretty cool in concept, is really dark, because it's too grounded in reality.
Yeah. To be fair, there's probably a way to integrate it in more naturally, but that's not really worth it.
>some old grumpy woman who hates kids and who they picture as a witch
Crazy Cat Lady from Simpsons comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47msKc3abqo

>>7894389
Ok, maybe I wasn't clear enough, I am not looking for any specific monsters from existing media to grab, but for stuff maybe someone had imagined as a kid. That's why green tentacle blob, or maybe some kind of ghost or whatever.
The reason I am asking you people is because I didn't really have those monsters as a kid, I never had a boogeyman or anything, just animals and stuff.
That said, mummies are a great idea - I am thinking of TP mummies. Maybe some dude got TP'd and you now have to break him free by wetting the toilet paper.

>>7894409
>I am not looking for any specific monsters from existing media to grab
No, I get that. Just, you know, that could be a good starting point to come up with something in this case.
>That's why green tentacle blob, or maybe some kind of ghost or whatever.
Trash can as stationary turret or robot?

>>7894439
>Trash can as stationary turret or robot?
With the blob monster I was actually thinking of a garbage bag or something, but I like that we seem to be on a similar wavelength.

What's better - Q3A, or QL? I want some casual play, don't want to bother with ladders or shit like that, just go in and blow someone up.
QL seems to have some improvements of varying level of minority, but also includes some stupid things like sparks instead of gibs. Not saying it's game changer, but I don't like the approach.
On the other hand Q3A is probably a dead game at this point unless I specifically look for some group of people who play it, and it's not really what I have in mind or willing (or capable) to do.
Ideally I'd just install UT2004 again and play it, but this game is dead for sure in terms of multiplayer.

>>7894448
Cool, thanks. Getting king of sleepy right now (Keep waking up very early for no reason), so it's even harder to think right now. I'll say that this is a pretty solid way of thinking, if you ask me: just look at some common objects, stuff like that and think about how kid could reinterpret it.
Another example, going back to tentacle thing... Street lamp as a tentacle that "throws fire" at you and maybe blinds you or something?

>>7892715
>having wall corners nearby trivializes them from any distance
Even if there's no ammo?

This is still my favorite We've Got Hostiles shortcut, if not skip.

>>7802375
>>7892402
Thanks for confirming.

>>7894491
>I want some casual play, don't want to bother with ladders or shit like that, just go in and blow someone up.
I don't know if QL has AI bots you can play against, but that's probably not how you wanna play the game either way.
Quake Live most likely is better option in terms of player count, I would assume. Although, honestly, I don't think there's a huge difference between the two. Just pick whatever you prefer, I guess.

>>7894516
Dude that fov

>>7894505
>just look at some common objects, stuff like that and think about how kid could reinterpret it.
Yup, that's exactly what I am trying to do.
I would ask my gf, since she's a kindergarten teacher, but kids today don't have any imagination anymore.
As for the street lamp, sorry, I can't see that. If anything, a scary tree or something, but I would need it to glow somehow - but then again, trees are plants and plants like water.
Another idea that I had was just having some kind of mud monster you need to wash away.
And an idea that I am a little bit proud of, but which might be really silly, is having one of those amusement park clown heads - the ones you need to shoot into the mouth to fill a balloon up - and have them fly around like a Caco and they hunt you with their huge gaping maws and try to eat you and you have to shoot them in their mouth to make them burst. Would also play to some kids' fear of clowns.

>>7894545
>kids today don't have any imagination anymore.
I suppose. That's probably one of the reasons why Ken's Labyrinth caught my attention recently. There seems tobe a lack of this silly child... I don't know to put it, atmosphere? Something is totally missing.
>As for the street lamp, sorry, I can't see that.
That's okay.
>trees are plants and plants like water.
You can still introduce some plant and just get it overwatered.
>some kind of mud monster you need to wash away.
I would've suggested something like Chocolate Boy from Hey, Arnold, but that's also "grabbing from media".
>And an idea that I am a little bit proud of, but which might be really silly
That's actually a really good idea, anon. Go with it.

>>7894516
fuckin nice

>>7893638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptHurafdCoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9oG2LBuMwY
the first video is one of the things I first watched when l started making doom maps. second video I've never watched but it's from the same guy. It's pretty basic stuff but if you follow at least the first video's advice, your levels will look decent and hopefully flow well.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/73964-essayarticle-monster-placement/
this doomworld post is another one I come back to a lot simply because monster placement is pretty much the most important thing in the level besides actual map geometry. It's a good place to start, although once you can get the hang of it, you can start experimenting a lot more

>>7894531
Better?

>>7894610

>>7894569
Okay, now I really have to check out Ken's Labyrinth.
Frankly, I expected the overwatering argument, but overwatering is not as acute as e.g. washing mud away or putting out a fire. You won't overwater a plant just by empyting a supersoaker on it.
What could happen is if you hosed down mom's nice flowers and destroyed them.
Maybe I'll put that to the idea stack.
But that chocolate boy is also not a bad idea. Have some little kids covered in chocolate and you're on your way to some bullshit family event and must not get your clothes dirty.
And thanks :3

>>7894646
>Okay, now I really have to check out Ken's Labyrinth.
You should... I said when I actually haven't played it. I want to, but there're many games I would like to play and it's difficult for me to just do it because reasons. Not busy or anything like that. It's odd.
>I expected the overwatering argument
Fair enough. Just thought its worth mentioning.
>hosed down mom's nice flowers and destroyed them.
That's one way to do it. Maybe have a specific flowers that kids would consider "scary" or "monster plant" as an explanation for why you would hose them.
>But that chocolate boy is also not a bad idea.
Oh, cool!
>And thanks :3
No problem. I'm glad to be helpful. That's it for me right now though. Really need to get some sleep. Maybe this time I wouldn't wake up at 4AM (It's midnight for me now).

>>7894670
Sure man no problem. It's nice having an actual conversation on the chans for a change.
I should also go to sleep, I had a really shitty sleep this night. Sleep tight man, don't let the bedbugs bite and don't let the boogeyman get you.

>>7894686
Thanks. You too, anon.

Anybody know how to make a .Con file for eduke32 ? So i can play the roch series as an episode and not pistol start them?
I don't mind pistol starting Duke but i just wanna know how to do it

>>7894491
Quake Live is the more populated game, but expect to play mostly Freeze Tag and Clan Arena. The sparks thing is because they wanted a T rating, but the workshop and most servers have addons to re-enable blood.
Q3A is mostly dead, yeah. At most you'll be getting some randoms sparsely joining servers for a bit, nothing more.

>>7893343
I love this thing so much. Found one in a used game store for like five bucks, its hard to go back to the regular controller for N64 shooters now.

>>7894842
I saw like 5 genesis controllers at a thrift shop for cheap, but I don't have a genesis and I'm not a horder. Hope someone found them though...

>>7893145
Thanks I'll check it out.
>>7893153
It's for a custom HUD and editing the status bar.
And menu maybe, but I haven't looked into menudef at all. it may not use any zscript. no idea.

>>7893836
Giant bugs

>>7893761
You can't rebind the joystick in Doom 64, so there isn't much point to rebinding.

>>7894491
QL, it's way easier to set up and the gameplay changes are good. Q3 is still fun, but the online is built around playing with dial up so the hitboxes and hitscan damage are huge by modern standards. Same with UT99.
Quake 3 had its copy protection removed so you can just play online for free though, get the 1.32 point release and follow this guide: q3retro.com/client-setup/
If you're in the US check out their server page, there's always people on in the evening.

>>7894792
Look at duke 3Ds user.con for how the episode definitions work, modify it for roch, and put that in the folder with the maps (for eduke32)

>>7894938
Thanks thats what i've been doing. I think i almost got it figured out. Copy the file out. replace one of the episodes with the roch maps and hope fully it'll work.

>>7894907
You know what, I might just fuckin use decorate.

>>7894907
>>7894971
Just remember that you don't use DECORATE for HUD stuff. You'll instead get to experience the joys of SBARINFO. I hope for your sake you don't have anything too complex planned for your HUD.

I know Zscript can be used to make a HUD but I don't know of any mods that do this.

>>7894975
I pretty much just want to add some extra width for widescreen to SBARINFO, and add some backing graphics to the althud and shift some things around. replace crosshairs per weapon maybe. Nothing complicated.

Didn't mean decorate, meant sbarinfo. Last time I tried to add extra graphics to it it seemed to do fuckall though and I don't know why.

>>7894597

>>7894491
UT2004 still has active servers for Onslaught, Freeze Tag and clan arena.

Also if you want to play Q3 check out the Q3retro.net servers. The FFA and freeze tag servers are usually populated.

>>7893836
>what monsters and imaginary foes did you fight as a kid?
Ghosts. Me and a friend made wooden swords and would hack away at these weird rigid pipe-like plants as if we were cutting down ghosts.

>>7893570
>>7893574

Yeah the rocket uzifags will also shoot with their Uzi.
Also do the troopers spawn ghosts after suiciding? I played the shareware episode on Who Wants Some Wang [or skill 3] and I think I saw one guy suicide and then later his corpse spawned a ghost. I later switched to Skill 2 because Skill 3 was constant save / load bs and the game has plentiful instadeaths even then but I haven't seen the suiciders spawn ghosts... though I usually don't let them suicide.

Doom 64 EX, or Steam version?

>>7894938
I did it editing the levels maps and everything like that but now its giving me a bunch of errors in the sound
>X sound is undefined error cannot compile
like that 50 times

>>7895132
EX is just as good as the Steam version, but doesn't contain the extra levels. Not like it really matters.

Half Life 1 has insanely good atmosphere, setting, level / world structure and for it's time super meaty guns but I definitely feel like without the adventure / mild horror / ''puzzle'' elements the game wouldn't be even half as good since the shooting feels so odd, even when you magdump imto someone they will basically still get shots on ya.
Still, love the game especially the Black Mesa Research Facility itself. I just to work there.

>>7894920

>>7894920
oh, do you mean the stick?

is there a working N64 emulator with Mouse support outside 1964GEPD?

i want to play Q1 and Q2 N64 in it

>>7895148
Well the Steam version is only $2 right now so might as well grab it I guess. There's no way to play the extra levels in EX?

>>7895324
the mouse injection is that an injection and it's specifically made for a rom in question
I have one for turok 3 as that game is not on pc it's janky as fuck

>>7895326
I don't think it's possible to play the extra levels with EX.

>>7895329
I'd kill for a proper remake of Turok 3 on PC. Lots of people give that game shit but it was one of the first FPS experiences in my life and I cherish it.
Not that there's anything too wrong with just playing the classic as I've been doing for years, though.

>>7895358
I don't really hold turok 3 in high regard, if nightdive
if nightdive gets their hands on it ever, I hope they heavily modify it, I'm sure it has tons of cut content

>>7895314
did you say that Half LIFE ONE IS A GOOD GAME!!??!?!?!?!?!? Y O U F U C K I N G actually that's not a bad opinion to have, i think its fun too

>>7895132
Steam version is fine with the exception of baron melee damage doing far less than it should (and something kaiser actually caught, but bethesda refuse to patch it)

>>7895317
that graphic for the a button is cool. its semi cringe how you set everything to a tho.

>>7895365
I just have rose-tinted nostalgia blinders for Turok 3, I can easily see why it'd be such a bitch to get a group of people to remake as not many people do, plus it's not an excellent game by any means.
It's pretty much a personal pipe dream as far as I'm concerned.

>>7893485
Seriously what gives - is she a futa? Why isnt that censored then?

>>7895406
>>7893485
That's just part of the armored scales going down her front, anons.

>>7895329
If it is 1964GEPD, that garbage hates other games that isnt Golden Eye or PD to the point of crashing

>>7895435
is not 1964gepd as, like I said before, it's customized for those roms

>>7895435
https://www.turokforums.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=6njgm934glh79c1ov5nmqa8cn3&topic=743.0

Time to tackle another mega shitwad. Anyone up for a DTS-T stream?

>>7895439
I rather wait for Turok 3 PC port or the N64 Q2 remake at moddb

this shit has more headache than configure dosbox to run NFSSE

>>7895443
>DTS-T
So it begins.

>>7895435
of course it doesn't work with other games, it modifies those roms variables

>>7895447
That it does.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99OhGva8Qrk

>>7894597
>quake 25th anniversary
still not in the center

>>7895132
EX has new levels and they are good.
>>7895402
Turok 3 is impressive for a Half Life ripoff on the 64.

>>7893710
>>7893673
I like to think the samey problem with E1 is likely because a good chunk of its maps were made back when BTSX was originally going to be a single megawad, so they didn't think to vary things up about the techbase theme initially.

DOOM 64 is really good, I'm loving it.
As expected, it doesn't feel like OG DOOM. Too few enemies in a stage coupled with the deliberate macabre OST gives it a different appeal, but still great.

>>7892331
Hey guys, not trying to be off-topic here, but this is the only thread on this board where i could see Deus Ex even mentioned.

I wanted to play it again after about 20 years, so i put it on my Windows 7 machine. All was going well until i decided to go off the game script [just for the heck of it to see what would happen] and i tried to kill that creepy agent fuck who kills the prisoners at the UNATCO base instead of getting on the chopper like i was supposed to.

Now, when i try to play the game, it's fucked. None of my weapons fire, even if i load a previously saved game. Does anyone here remember any bugs like that? Thanks.

>>7892335
Alright, Violent Rumble update is up. I think we're about out of bugs and major oversights for the moment, so I'm gonna try shitting out a railgun sound effect and deflating tarbaby animation for the next one. Again, any enemy variant ideas are welcome.

Is Dark Forces any good?

>>7895602
it is, but dos needs a mouse patch

>>7895594
Based

>>7895594
The only thing I can think to add would be extremely miniscule and nitpicky: When the player retrieves a gremlin's stolen shotgun, have the unused flashing animation for it on the HUD, if it's even possible or if it's not already a thing.

Some years ago I downloaded a modified version of xaser's psychic mod here on vr, it had a sword and coin magnet, does someone still have it?

>>7895629
It's already a thing. I think it was only 'unused' because you could never not have a shotgun in the vanilla game.

>>7895314
I hate hard difficulty and as time goes one I love the linear approach less and less. But you are right.

They nailed it.


Am mod that makes enemy bullets do more damage but make them less sponge would be nice.

>>7895659
You can probably go into the skill files and edit those values yourself.

>>7895667
I think it would make the hecu fights amazing.

I realized that after playing titanfall 2 recently. Amazingly optimized game holy fuck, but yeah ultra linear. I just like tot take my time in environment I guess why I always prefered immersive sims and build games.
Not to mention doom.

In TItan 2 the ai is interesting and can nail you in 2 shots and throw grenades but you can kill them also pretty easily, so it transform gun fights into really snapshot affair which I love.

But even without using cover its interesting how the hecu in HL and even black mesa feel more menacing.

Also I think EVERY single fps should have a fucking slide manoeuver.

Btw seeing as Mechwarrior 5 is a fucking turd.

Wasn't there a mech mod being made for doom?

>>7895604
Is there a source port, or any alternative to dosbox chop?

>>7895443
>presumed that pic was an esoteric meme
>reverse image search

>>7895672
It's a very old style of gameplay, but it has aged gracefully. Like an anon in the thread said, you can magdump on an HECU marine, but he can magdump right back. I haven't played a contemporary shooter in a while, but I remember stuff like CoD4 where enemies flinch from a bullet or two before going down. But even in things like Blood, Duke, etc. HL1's combat is very interesting, and I'm glad Black Mesa ported it pretty much wholesale.

>>7895694
Even back then I never understand while they fire in bursts.

They should have a full auto mode. They were probably destroying the opposition that way, few aliens can handle them.

>>7895694
I dont like the way the hecu sound and animate in black mesa but yeah.

I think they should have done more with them. For me they were the poster child of HL, even the uplink demo was about them.

Should I feel bad about playing super hard megawads on not too rough or hurt me plenty

>>7895731
Nobody cares unless you're speedrunning/recoording. Take the mapping pill

>>7893246
waaah you cant mod your purchased migs and megs on your hard drive to your comfort waaaah

Doom 64 original concept project

>>7895443
DTS-T doesn't really warrant writing an essay about. It's just boring.

>>7895450
I hope I'll be able to catch the next installment of anon and his deteriorating will to live, featuring the esteemed Major Reily

>>7895450
since we were talking about a doom 64 project in the chat, i'd like to mention we do have a resident doom 64 anon who's been wanting to lead a project here and would be willing to teach people how to map for it and all that crap.
>>7895798
Not yet, anon. Not yet.

>>7895798
My observation is that you should only be mapping for GZDoom if you're doing something that legitimately requires it on a gameplay level, instead of making a limit removing map at best that you dress up with superfluous zdoom features

>>7895026
Shoulda been
>hffm mean anal

>>7895798
-If your project involves maps made over the course of a decade, it wouldn't hurt to go back and revamp them
-Don't force the player to crouch, that's retarded
-Don't put the player into an empty arena with a Mastermind
-Attempt at doing something more than square rooms connected by straight hallways

>>7895803
Not that anon, but the idea gets my brain juices flowing like crazy
>Travelling through different cultures afterlives and hells
>Ascending a Zoroastrian Tower of Silence and crossing the Chinvat Bridge into the House of Lies
>Traversing the Five Rivers of Hades
>Lake of fire gnashing of teeth vanilla hell yadda yadda
>Absolute mindfuckery of Tibetan Bardos

>>7895831
We could even stop by a demon-overrun Valhalla for a bit of REKKR 64.

>>7895839
The only question I would have is would it use Vanilla style monsters/sounds or Doom 64, and if Doom 64 what is to be done about Archies, Revenants, Chaingunners, and Spiderdemons?

>>7895839
>>7895831
>map33 super-super secret map
>atheist hell
>it's just a blank dark nothingness

>>7894516
I expected to hit the crate and explode.

>>7895847
>atheist hell
>black void with nothing but a giant screenshot of being banned from reddit

>>7895845
I wish either DrPyspy released his Revenant sprites, or Gerardo194 didn't have a mental breakdown on DW. Doom 64's missing monsters are cursed, it seems.

>>7895861
Gerardo is still going after that meltdown.

>>7895858
>r/doom hell

>>7894491
In terms of QoL features and being easier to setup out of the box, Quake Live.
You'll still want Quake 3 for mods like CPMA though.
>>7894527
QL has bots, you just need to start an offline server like Q3A.

>>7895819
>If your project involves maps made over the course of a decade, it wouldn't hurt to go back and revamp them
Or cut them entirely.

>>7895861
What was up with that anyway? He started spamming his thread about how he was disregarding compliments and that "the old him died." Did he have some latent disease?

>>7895731
I play everything on HMP. Sometimes UV makes it too grindy for me. Folks that always play on UV, and complain about too many monsters, are the cancer.

>>7895731
Even if the wad isn't super hard, you shouldn't be feeling bad.

Sometimes the problem with UV isn't that its too hard, but too congested instead. Bloodstain is a megawad where I'd say this was true.

>>7895939
I typically enjoy congested gameplay, desperately trying to get a large enough foothold to use a rocket launcher, cutting open lanes until I can lean on infighting, etc
What I don't enjoy is dying on the same map 100 times because I outright refuse to play with saves so I never get any further in the wad but at the same time if I turn my difficulty down how am I supposed to get better at the game

If Nightmare just had fast monsters and double ammo without respawning enemies it would be the best skill level to play Doom on

>>7895939
Not that anon, but thank you. That was very well said.

>>7895326
I guess you can rip off the new extra maps into pwad and load into doom 64 ex, unless doom 64 map number specific hard coding such as sector 666 tag. You'd lose intermission screens though. I don't know why would you do this though, because bethesda port is just updated doom 64 ex. It has one negative though, the unskippable logos. But then again it has more resolution options (like low res for wide screens, to get those sweet pixels showing) and those new maps (which are actually great).

>>7895943
My main issue with congested monster usage, especially when its done mindlessly, is that it can lead to combat that moves at a snails pace.

>>7895918
That was weird. Gerardo usually acted very maturely, and suddenly he started how everything he made was shit and how he hates doom and video games now, and shouted fuck yous and insults to everyone who tried to calm him down. Weirdest thing, was how he claimed, that he is now new person, and old friendly gerardo is gone, like some 12 year old teen that just found his edgy phase. Then next day, he just announced new project and acted like nothing happened. There could be 3 theories: somebody hijacked his account, or the guy is actually 12 and has just genius modding skills for his age, or he actually has multiple personality disorder.

>>7895562
LMAO WHAT? You talking about Walter Simons? The part where you’re asked to leave him alone as he interrogates the prisoners? No idea how you’d cause such a colossal fuckup where even an old save wouldn’t work anymore… I used to mess with him all the fucking time. Sure you didn’t accidentally unbind your mouse button or something? Check your key binds. If that fails try to reset your game config by deleting all the ini files (you’ll still be able to use your save).

>>7895873
>QL has bots, you just need to start an offline server like Q3A.
Oh, okay. Then it really doesn't matter all that much... except for the mods, I suppose.
>>7895951
>It has one negative though, the unskippable logos.
You can remove them from game files, so they wouldn't play. Still an issue though.
>>7895972
>he actually has multiple personality disorder
People still believe in this meme? Really?

>>7894975
>I know Zscript can be used to make a HUD but I don't know of any mods that do this.
Isn't HD 100% ZScript. I think I remember trying to understand the zs status bar by looking at HD's code.

>>7895069
>these weird rigid pipe-like plants
You mean bamboo? Reed?

>>7895998
Dissociative Identity Disorder is a real thing, it's just a lot more complicated than "split personality lol"

>>7895998
>You can remove them from game files, so they wouldn't play.
Anon, I love you.

>>7896010
Probably reed if they're Americlap

>>7896010
Maybe Heracleum. It's as good against ghosts as it is against cattle.

>>7896057
To be fair, you could've checked Steam guides to learn about this. There's also "-skipmovies" launch option, but I think deleting is better because these logos take like half of game's storage space. Screw that.
Glad to help though.

>>7896010
Dried up cow parsley.

>>7895685
Mac DF under System 7.6 under QEMU might work.

>>7895667
Yep. I recommend opening skill.cfg in notepad and changing the Hard HP to that on normal. That way you get the Hard experience without your weapons feeling weaker.

Been playing Doom The Way id Did: Lost Episodes. Completed 3 first episodes. Holy shit, this is surprisingly good. For many years I just thought, that it was pack of trash maps, that didn't make to final cut, but there is actually no difference in quality. Very fun gameplay, and maps that fit into original episodes.

Before that I also played 3 episodes of Lunar Catastrophe. Megawad with same idea as Dtwid. Howerer I only found the first episode fun. Second and third weren't much fun at all. Too many high-tier enemies like cacos, but not much high-tier ammo. Gameplay didn't feel much like id did. Also there were few wrong texturing and architechture choices that didn't remind me much of originals. Sometimes it again too much like originals in wrong way, like copying entire rooms from vanilla episodes slightly altered. Wad tired me to the point, that i almost skipped Dtwid:LE. Luckily I didn't.

>>7892331

The 90's moral panic about video game violence was wild.

>>7896264
>For many years I just thought, that it was pack of trash maps, that didn't make to final cut, but there is actually no difference in quality. Very fun gameplay, and maps that fit into original episodes.

They are maps by fans trying to replicate the design philosophy of the early ID maps, rather than trying to follow the meta that map makers were following.

>>7896289

>>7896291
Dtwid and Dtwid:LE are actually made mostly by same mappers. Lunar Catastrophe was made by couple, that didn't participate in Dtwid.

>>7895132
It's only a buck 25. I'd get it. The switch version is pretty good.

>>7895798
It's more than just simply boring. It's a good example of an ambitious project that falls flat on its face due to the author not really having a grasp for things.

Reading Rocket Jump articles from Shacknews is quite interesting and fun:
>Then an incident occurred. According to Romero, Willits told him one version of a story but reported another to Carmack. (Romero declined to go into detail.) Romero went to Carmack and mentioned the story Willits had told. Surprised, Carmack noted that the version he had heard was different.
>"We confronted him about it in person," Romero said. "It was like, 'Hey, don't do that again.' Other than that, I was already gone before he went into full-on politics mode."
From Chapter 5, Aftershocks.
>American McGee was no stranger to Tim Willits' alleged behavior. One morning a year or so earlier, McGee had stepped into the Town East Tower's elevator. Willits entered with him. Before long, Willits turned to him, grinning.
>"He turns to me and he goes, 'Hey, did you ever have butt sex with your ex-girlfriend?' We all knew each other; he knew my ex-girlfriend," McGee recalled. "I remember saying something like, 'Tim, fuck off,' or 'I don't know what you're talking about.' And he looks at me and he goes, 'Well, I had it last night, and it was great.' And that was it, and he walked away."
From Chapter 10, Backtracking
Like, I heard that Willits was "weird, sketchy guy", but for fuck sake. I went through 13 posts out of 25, so I got to wonder what kind of bullshit will be revealed next... Damn, I need to fucking read Masters of Doom.
https://www.shacknews.com/article/101156/rocket-jump-quake-and-the-golden-age-of-first-person-shooters

>Sandy Petersen refers to Tim Willits as "Snake".
He really hates that guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ga1TFBrBo

>>7892335
Woof 6.0.0 update adds MBF21 support
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2339262

Since I have two more weapons left to sprite and dreading the Super Soaker, I started doing the garden hose. The sprite right now is a placeholder, caused by a scaling accident that warrant doing everything over.
Since the hose serves as a really strong turret, I was thinking of ways to giving it a bit more character, and this is what I came up with:
Since a fully opened garden hose is pretty strong in a kid's hand it should feel like wielding a fire hose, so I have the screen shake while using it.
What do you think?
I also thought about having the sprite shake instead or even doing both, though I don't quite know how to do the sprite shaking because I don't want to use Offset bullshit.

>>7896718
Pretty good, I like it. That screen shake adds a lot.

>>7896564
Carmack said Willits was their best map designer?

>>7895972
The plandemic brought the whack-job out of a lot of people, I can't say I blame him.

>>7896564
Willits sabotaged all of Quake 2's Code development, including AI.
He kept harassing McGee
He kept making Anal incest jokes towards paul steed
He brainwashed carmack into remaking Q2's code at the last minute to screw Bryan Hook that, rendered most monster animations and AI useless until the modding community and Rogue/Xatrix started working on them along with Hammer and Raster for the console Source ports, and he even laughed at it.

And Quake 3 lacks proper Single player campaign because of him, also he pushed for Dreamcast having more exclusive maps over the PC release.

>>7896821
Willits maps are meh, most of Q2 maps and Q1 were carried by Sandy, Mcgee and others.
People Shills the Edge and the Zone because it were the only good maps he did.

>>7892335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofAKQ_aE1bI
Pillow blaster upcoming mod is gonna get announced, it seems you are gonna play as a crusader of sorts seeing the pinned comment by keksdose.
there is a small Qna in the description for those asking for more info on it.

>>7896821
Eh-h-h... Kind of?
>"American could tell something [was not right]," Petersen said. "So he went to Carmack and said, 'What should I do?' John Carmack said, 'Okay, to make your levels look better, go and talk to Tim.' And Tim Willits could make absolutely spectacular-looking levels. They were great levels. He said, 'Talk to Tim. Look to him to show you how to make your levels look really nice.'"
>Willits deployed misdirection to further attenuate McGee's status with management. When McGee submitted new and revised levels for appraisal, Carmack lost his temper and accused him of doing A when he had expressly wanted B.
>"American was horrified," Petersen said. "He said, 'Yes, I did just what he said.' Basically, what had happened was Tim Willits had literally told American the opposite of what he should do, to get him in trouble with John Carmack. And Carmack couldn't believe it. Who could be that dirty? He absolutely refused to believe that Willits had done it, but he had. That was Tim Willits literally tanking American McGee."
From Chapter 10, Backtracking.
>>7896858
>Willits sabotaged all of Quake 2's Code development, including AI.
>He brainwashed carmack into remaking Q2's code at the last minute to screw Bryan Hook
I remember reading about this in these threads, but articles didn't touched on that... at least, not yet.
>Programmers were just as likely to lose progress thanks to Carmack's whims. According to Adrian, John Cash had written numerous advanced AI routines for Quake 2. With them, the Strogg would have been capable of doing more than occasionally ducking to avoid the player's fire. Late in development, however, John Carmack rewrote sections of code that trashed Cash's AI. The game was due to ship soon, leaving Cash with no time to reinstitute his designs.
Also Chapter 10.

>>7896864
>5. "Is it balanced?"
>Of course not!
lmao.

>>7896753
Thanks. Also I just realized I have no idea how to pull of the sprite shaking effect, as I bit the bullet and tried to use Offset, but it whined about
>MUH CONSTANTS
since apparently you can't use random numbers for offset values. There goes my idea.

>>7896887
>>7896858
>And Quake 3 lacks proper Single player campaign because of him, also he pushed for Dreamcast having more exclusive maps over the PC release.
Oh, that's curious... Should get back to reading these articles since next couple of them should touch on Quake 3 specifically.
But yeah, Tim Willits is huge fucking asshole.

>>7896718
Magikus-guy here. I love what you're doing.

>>7896718
I guess it would work only if you're making the mod with freelook in mind + I don't think I really like this idea (and many anons will probably agree with me on that), but... How about adding a recoil to garden hose in some capacity?
I mean, it kind of makes sense.

>>7896887
>>7896898
Anon, there stuff that not even the book covers it.
Shitstorms at late 90's id was common, all because i 's president back then wanted a quick cash over Doom with Master Levels, and ended up hiring timmy because he lived closer to id.

>>7896887
That's shocking since McGee's maps are some of Quake's best and Willits are good and fine but they don't stand out in anyway like McGee's, no wonder he left id.

>>7896306
>>7896289
>A.D. 1999
>Playing Doom
BTW, I love how Marylin Manson of all people managed to BTFO'd everyone in oldfag media faux-sanctimoniously evangelizing about CHSM being caused by Music & Vidya with just only a single compound sentence...

>>7896909
For quick testing I only use keyboard, but in principle this is full freelook. Why is it bad? I am making this in GZD anyway and I don't see how it would detract from gameplay. In fact, my levels have a good deal of verticality to them, so jumping id also a thing. If I was any good at 3D modeling I would probably make this in UE.
That said, I like your idea. An initial slip that needs to be caught.

>>7896890
that goes without saying because >PB

>>7896993
Most of Q2 maps are McGee and Sandy while timmy made a few.
and its easy to notice which ones are

if Sandy is at the helm of Quake "soft reboot" it will be Lovecraftian Strogg.

>he thinks Blood, Quake 2 or Goldeneye were the best 1997 fps instead of Dark Forces II
Explain

dark forces more like dork forces lol

>>7894646
You can try doing the most obvious things with the plants - trampling any them kills any for good until the map restarts, overwatering them only kills them temporarily (unless its the goddamn Roses AKA annoyingy fickle bitchy pussies that will wither just from you looking at them for too long) unless youd walk on them like stated earlier - garden hose and water bombs would cause it instantly wheres waterguns need ~10 shots to do the same depending on 'nozzle caliber'
*Those above ideas wont apply the wild Dandelions*
Those motherfuckers are unkillable by trampling and will get back up eventually,
also over-watering them will just mutate them into these monstrosities by randomized chance - if its possible to do so

>>7897037
Dork Forces 2 had tons of issues at release

>>7896718
lulz - Open Air Car-wash map coming up when?

>>7897037
Gameplay hasn't aged very well. I'd rather play Blood and Quake 2.

>>7897029
>Lovecraftian Strogg.
I just imagined the Doom3 zombie marines with either a Minigun or tentacles rolled into a single being with two heads like an Ettin

>>7897037
Dark Forces 2 isn't that fun compared to DF1 and JK2.

>teleport onto the pfhor ship
>new pacific plays
holy kino

>>7892331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofAKQ_aE1bI

>>7896909
Nigga, he's not trying to make DOOM again, it's a total conversion meant for deathmatch with levels where kids are shooting down from tree houses and up at roofs.
>>7897012
That said, don't limit your verticality to street level and roof level. Raise and lower areas of your streets, I don't care if it doesn't look like your French village, I'm not gonna play a game that plays out on long flat stretches just because that's what cul-de-sacs look like.
Idea: make a level that's based around a construction site. That's where we played war as kids and there's plenty of opportunity for verticality and cover and trenches and an excuse for openness between rooms (sections where drywall hasn't been put up yet, can drop down from higher room to lower room, etc.) Or make a playground with nearby environs. Or a deserted factory. These are places that kids play in and add that childish feeling of adventure. Not to mention they're waaaay more interesting than a couple long flat streets with some blocky houses to climb on.

>Just discovered the third punch in Dakka
Holy shit

>>7897070
Strogg and Ogres are Nyarlathotep's field
Shamblers, Fiends and Scrags are Shub
Spawn are Tsathoggua
Knights and Death Knights are Azathoth

>>7897050
Damn son what did those poor plants ever do to you?
But actually just today I had the idea of trampleable grass/flowers, but I don't know how to pull it off. I thought about using stationary projectiles that die in player contact, but it's a pretty hacky idea and I am not even sure whether it will even work.

>>7897037
>he

>>7897086
Don't worry friend, I have most of that stuff already planned. Although you forgot actual forests and ponds, which is where we used to play.

When is Final Doomer gonna add more weaponsets reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7897012
I was talking about recoil being a bad idea since when I was writing this, I associated it with Machine Gun from Quake 2 and that shit is annoying. Asked about freelook because I just didn't knew all the details about your project and there's definitely a difference in how recoil would affect the gameplay whenever or not it is on or off. So it's not me saying "freelook and jumping in DOOM is bad" because in this case it doesn't really matter.
>>7897029
>if Sandy is at the helm of Quake "soft reboot" it will be Lovecraftian Strogg.
I mean... We might have that already, thanks to Champions.
>Makron, I do not understand “runes” or “magic” : Clarify
https://churchofquake.com/lore/strogg-peeker-lore/#Lore_Scrolls
>>7897091
Who would want Shub-Niggurath dead?

>>7897037
Anon, it's obviously Chasm: The Rift, DOOM 64 & Hexen 2.

>>7895594
Tell me if any of there are already in as theres always a room for improvements:
-Headless dudes from Q!zone (t.b.h. only the variant with a lavaball-volleygun is the only relevant one IMO)
-Nailgunners from Op.Urth-Majik
^maybe a less-nimble-but-tougher version with LavaNails?
-Lightning Enforcers from Impel's AoP (pretterably the v3.0 remodel/reskin)
^Their AI can be improved by making them occasionaly do single short bolt-taps from afar (maybe borrow the Defenders dual-weapon logic for a speedy solution)
-Quoth Rocketeers, but with a non-homing MultiRL instead (have them take 20~25% dmg from own/other Rocketeer projectiles if they kill themselves way too often because of this new gun)
-HellScrag whoose lava-spit is explosive (but not stronger than Vore/Ogre projectiles are maybe) like in the Qtest prototype
-Normal Enforcers can have a randomized variant with a LaserCannon-esque bouncing shots (or switch to it if they notice that player hides behing corners to much while they're shooting normal lasers if possible)
Isnt this too many re-skins though?

>>7897183
>I was talking about recoil being a bad idea since when I was writing this, I
Oh, I see. I totally got you wrong there. But I still like the recoil idea with the initial backpush. But it would only be cosmetic, don't worry, I am not trying to pull a HD here.

>>7895861
I wish he released his Brier sprites

>>7897202
he also did a doom rpg kronos hd design and a model of the hangar base from episode 1's screen fused with the e1m1 level shape
if i ever work on something, i'll try to make my stuff as available as possible just because of a "in case i die" situation"

Besides Demonsteele, are there any other mods with a score system?

>>7897218
dakka is an obvious one

>>7897098
Would rewriting the Barrels AI to have a non-damaging suicide attack do the trick for trampling?
T B H Roses vs. Dandelions meme are ancient as dirt tho, older from even earliest betas of Minceraft.

>>7897218
Reelism, Reelism 2 even lets you use the points to buy weapons and powerups inbetween games

>>7897225
>Would rewriting the Barrels AI to have a non-damaging suicide attack do the trick for trampling?
I don't think I can follow you here, barrels still have to be shot at, can you elaborate?

>>7897192
>I totally got you wrong there.
It's okay.
>But I still like the recoil idea with the initial backpush. But it would only be cosmetic, don't worry
Backpush is perfect. I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if it wouldn't be cosmetic and more like Rocket Launcher in DOOM 64... unless I'm getting it wrong now and that's exactly how it's going to be.
And don't be afraid to experiment with recoil, if you want: again, I thought of it as a bad idea due to comparison with Q2's Machine Gun. That's probably more about implementation. Recoil can work (probably) and it makes certain sense to have it.

>>7897191
>Nailgunners from Op.Urth-Majik
Not sure what those are, but grunts and enforcers can be made to fire nails when set to style 4 and 3, respectively. Lava nail version would be easy enough.
The rest of those should be doable to some extent or another. Already wanted to do laser cannon enforcers.

>>7897225
>only eaten by certain insects
Rosehip tea is good though

Descent is awesome, shame it's so obscure. The only thing I hate about it is how hidden the option to save your game is.

>>7897250
If you change their movespeed to >0 they will actually bumrush you in a semi-random manner like a Pinky Daemon - all its missing is for them o self destruct harmlessly somehow

>>7897286
IIRC those fuckers actively try to flank you and move fast like on rollerskates, while also constantly shooting at your general direction

>>7894409
Gypsies maybe? Weird looking elderly? I was afraid of both of them when I was a kid. Same with roosters and pigs. I once heard that pigs can eat little kids and I was terrified of them ever since.

>>7894389
>Ken's Labyrinth
Sandy Petersen reviewed it and gave it a 2/5 lmao

>>7892335
[06-24]Skulltiverse community project is now in public beta phase
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120210-public-beta-v1-2406-skulltiverse-a-spiritual-sequel-to-hellevator-boom-speedmapping-community-project/

(Release was yesterday so date matches that)

>>7897320
Ah yes I see. But that would effectively make them projectiles with 0 damage.

>>7897335
Nah, don't get me wrong, I hate gypsies as much as everyone else, but I want to keep it lighthearted, that's why I also won't add homeless people and such.
Although some gypsy woman that casts a spell on you might be cool as a regular Doom enemy.

>>7897320
If you're talking about in dehacked you could replace the cyberdemon and have them drop a silent invisible explosive projectile with a speed of 0 every step.
Cyberdemons can't be hurt by side blasts.
I'm sure you can do something similar in decorate or whatever.

Is skill 5 in Hexen like in Heretic where the extra ammo actually makes the game easier, or is it like Nightmare in Doom?

>>7897530
Skill 5 in Hexen works exactly like how it does in Heretic, so it might be easier.

FRIDAY NIGHT BITCHES, TIME TO FRAG! TONIGHT'S FIREFIGHT IS ON THE DARKENING E2'S DEATHMATCH MAPS. ZANDRONUM, 104.128.49.2:10796 , LET'S DO THIS SHIT.

>>7896289
>>7896306
quaint

I started doom, through gzdoom today. Playing it for the first time.
And I'm impressed. It's fun today, and I can only imagine how groundbreaking it would have been when it first released.

>>7897680
let's see if you still think the same when you play through doom 2 lol

>>7897680
UU was better

>>7896994
What did he say to the media shills about it?

>>7897698
But Doom 2 is the superior game

>>7897740

>>7897750
Yes Romerofag

>>7897737
I think he said something like. Not who you replied to but i think he said something like this
>Everyones so quick to blame everyone but nobody took the time ever to hear these kids out and listen to them. Maybe you woulda found the reason why they did this.

Something like that

>>7892331
does anyone else get choppy framerate in alkaline?

Unity port.
The shotgunners don't teleport near the end of TNT map 31.
Fuck the id anthology iwad.

Try VkQuake or FTE.

>>7897786
Try VkQuake or FTE.

can i custom design my mip maps in gzdoom

>>7897786
check your r_novis

How much of Duke's 80s-to-early-90s generic action hero parody is just Bruce Campbell? I used to think he was a broader conglomeration but upon review I gotta say the Bruce DNA is looking like thie highest percentage in Duke's blood by a huge amount.

>>7892559
Crouch around corners where you think enemies might be. It helps you dodge their attacks. Blood is one of the few games where the crouch mechanic isn't just for vents or low places.

>>7897897
Caleb also quotes Ash Williams a lot.

>>7897897
Not a lot really, more Arnold in appearance and his voice is Dirty Harry and he only had one(two?) quote stolen from Evil Dead. Caleb stole a lot of lines from Evil Dead and Army of Darkness in fact probably too many.

I know Marathon had a sprite splitting trick for movement and shooting at the same time for sprites, but has anyone ever tried sprites that combined both gun muzzle flashes and moving legs that appear when both movement and walking is being done by the player or enemies?

>>7897680
Okay I finished it. E3M6 is terrible. Inferno was the weakest of the 3 episodes by far.

>>7898070
This, there's even a level where if you break the mirror in one of the bathrooms tiny Calebs attack you.

>>7897897
His most memorable quote is a Roddy Piper one

DAILY REMINDER: Major Arlene is destroying the doom community.

>>7898169
Context, please. I love old FPS community drama

>>7897641
That really really tiny map seemed to drive everyone away

>>7898172
Stupid keeps getting the most creative people banned from doomworld, whilst she herself produces shit that nobody is interested in.
Before long the whole of the doom community will only be making tranny anime mods that nobody gives a fuck about.

>>7898175
I think it had something to do with the short map rotation. The same 10 or so maps over and over again does get to people.

>>7897641

Was it even ten, it felt like less than that. Well, the server lasted a pretty long time, ggs.

tfw its been almost a day of modifying a con file to play a series of maps as an episode and all that keeps happening is like maybe one less error than last time but still doesn't open lmao
total noob at this shit bros

>doomfags so filtered by learning how to combo weapon damage that they forget Quake speedrunners figured out how to kill enemies quicker years before "quickswitching" was popularized again by Doom Eternal
seethe, retards. Vanilla Quake is good as fuck.

>>7898240

>>7898240
I'm not a huge fan of quickswitching. I prefer some delay to the switch, like in Quake 3. It just feels wonky to press a number key and have the corresponding weapon instantly materialize in your hands. Feels "weightless", I want to feel like I'm drawing another weapon.

>>7898070
>>7898087
>tfw blood is the closest we'll ever get to a good evil dead game

Doom II is good, get over it.

>>7898291
Hear, hear

>>7898291
I agree with this based opinion.

>>7898270
The hack and slashes aren't bad, they're just silly.
But yeah, no great ones yet.

>>7898270
Frankly, having Blood alone makes me happy as an Evil Dead fan. Nothing else is going to capture the aesthetic of Evil Dead 2 like Blood did, and not nearly with as much charm.

>>7898186
list examples

>>7898320
Imagine a AAA budget Blood 3 ignoring Blood 2's retardation and trying to emulate the first one's aesthetic.

>>7898228
Update found out nightfright already made a con for the Roch series.

Over here wasting my time like an idiot lmao.

Guess i learned something idk what tho

>>7896289
>Broward County
Every fucking time

>>7896306
>trust the experts

>>7898328
They wouldn't and couldn't please everyone. Look at how assmad people get if you mention Nu-Doom around here.

That being said, I think a better idea would be fixing Blood 2 with a full remake. New story, new graphics, new gameplay stuff. Treat the first Blood 2 as non-canon and just call the new game Blood 2: Transfusion or something.

>>7898361
Knowing modern trends, theyd just call it B L O O D. And then youd forever have to call the games Blood 1997 and Blood 202x.

>>7898361
>Look at how assmad people get if you mention Nu-Doom around here.
I mean, it is not really retro? We're still in /vr/, after all.

>>7897796
Yeah i believe TNT31.wad fixed the shotgunners as well as the yellow key, and is generally recommended for doing uv max runs, even if you have the id anthology/gog version.

Alright, it's fucking go time. You faggots ready for more DTS-T?

>>7898532
Awww yeh

>>7898541
The journey resumes.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTB5Q75l6I

I know this’ll be the most specific thing I’m ever asking for…
But does anyone know any 32 level megawads that uses the stock Doom II midi’s? A bunch of dw users got together to make a midi pack for TNT Evilution and it’s genuinely pretty good, although I never want to play TNT Evilution again. The only wads I know of that have no midis are Demonfear, Realm of Chaos, D2TWiD, and Fragport.

>>7898291
It probably has the best monster arsenal out of any fps game
But the game itself is garbage, especially it being 30 maps back to back. It's probably the most boring to play retro fps

is there any easy way to make stairs or a brightness gradient in the slade map editor?

>>7898619
Time to bust open Ultimate Doom Builder, bro.

Best Console Port?

Here's the two ports of Quake 2, for example

>>7898603
Hell Revealed had midis in separate wad, does that count?

>>7898659

>>7898663
I always liked the Quake 2 PS1 port. It looks leagues better than almost every other game on the console.
Regardless of gameplay.

>>7898663
the psx one works with a mouse, i don't know about the n64 one.

>>7898659
>>7898663
Quake 2 was definitely better in an objective sense with the resolution, full 3D gun models, and CD music
However I'll biasly always prefer the N64 for it's ambient OST and moddier colored lighting

I'm fine not having it, the industry could never handle Blood.
With the botched Nightdive remaster I doubt it ever will

>>7898660
Hmmm, not a bad rec, is there any more you can think of? I just remembered about the New Doom Community Project. (I’m not talking about New Doom as in NuDoom calm your tits /vr/)

>>7898658
does it work well through wine? gzdb is a garbagefire in wine

>>7898689
>Linux

>>7898693
doom was on linux before it was on windows

>>7898689
You could try Eureka, I've only dabbled in it, but it should be more feature-rich than Slade's editor.

>>7898696
The source code release was also based on the linux version.

>>7898291
I think people are too hard on Sandy. His bad maps usually amount to simply being rushed and underdeveloped.

>>7898607
Not really.

>>7898663
it's weird seeing the shotgun not jiggle around

bruh slade's map editor has literally everything else i could want there's just weirdly no apparent way to easily build stairs despite it being mentioned in old ass changelogs i googled

For me it's Doom for RISC PC
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oiLSsOb_9gI

>>7898693
all source ports are based on the linux version of DOOM.
linux has always been a large part of DOOMs history.
ive played from the original doom to eternal on linux just fine

>>7898779
I need footage of that version.

>>7898787
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_source_code
here you go.

Let's see if you are really Doom fans:
How many secrets originally E1M1 had?

is Duke Xtreme good and worth finding? I know its one of those "shovel ware" add ons. But is it fun?

>>7898787
also
https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM
says the original release only runs on linux in the readme

>>7898802
it has 8 secrets i think maybe 9

>>7898806
Ok but i want the original Dave Taylor version.

>>7898816
then go get it,you can use a search engine

>>7898831
But it doesn't work on modern linux.

>>7898551
Here's what we learned today:
>Anon doesn't remember the first six digits of pi
>FLAT, FLAT EVERYWHERE
>Every single encounter on the space station was boring as fuck, purely because the wad never forces you into a room to fight its monsters
>Tons of tiny rooms with few pickups, has barely any impact on how you play the level
>Jesus, give the player something new to do if you're going to make them backtrack multiple times for one puzzle
>DTS-T has a handful of good ideas, but just falls flat in the execution every single time

It's been 4 days already quakefags, let it go.

>>7898291

>>7898836
The fanbase agrees with me

>>7898835

>>7898291
Archvile is the worst thing to happen to Doom mapping prove me wrong.

>>7898846
Git gud

>>7898832
it probably would if you get the dependencies,but idk why that matters.
>>7898846
the arch vile is my favorite enemy,hes so fun when used well

I'm sorry rpgcodex but DF2 is not that good.

Doom 2 is better than Doom 1 in every way, aside from the OST.
>Improved combat with better weapon and monster variety.
>Bigger fights with more enemies on screen.
>Larger and more vertical levels.
>No dumb rabbit memes.

>>7898846
I would say the Super Shotgun has been misused and abused by mappers more than anything else added in Doom 2. Too many amateur mappers skimp on better weapons because "SSG is enough" when it makes for more tedious combat than rockets or plasma.