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7883828 No.7883828 [Reply] [Original]

Do you guys have a hard limit for what's considered retro?

>> No.7883863

>>7883828
Yes, your mom

>> No.7883872

No and I was frustrated with /vr/ for a long time because the game Gamecube/PS2 gen wasn't considered retro for a long time despite being over 10 years old

>> No.7883878

It depends. Retro could be only cartridge based systems or only 2D graphics. Generally anything before PS2 is retro by default, then the PS2/Xbox/GC generation could be considered retro, but not again it depends on what you consider to be a classic system.

>> No.7883907

>>7883828
games for systems released before December 31st, 1999

>> No.7883912

No.
Categorizing by media type is dumb. There are CD-ROM games older than the SNES.
Categorizing by age is dumb. There were SNES games released after the PS1 was out. Conker for N64 released the same year as Halo. Syphon Filter 3 was out just days before Halo.
Categorizing by graphics doesn't work either. Plenty of 2D games long after it fell out of style.
Which leaves us with categorizing by platform/hardware required. And that falls apart completely once you realize cross-gen games exist.

>> No.7883918

Yeah, "looks old".

>> No.7883923

>>7883912
>Categorizing by age is dumb.
The definition of retro is "thing from past." Categorizing by age is the only way to categorize retro.

>> No.7883924

>>7883828
Anything that is not 10 years or older. We should be able to talk about Duke Nukem Forever on this board right now.

>> No.7883925

>>7883828

If you need to buy extra components like HDMI converters just to make the hardware still display on modern screens, that's a hard qualifier for "retro" imo, on a pure technological/hardware level.

By that definition, GC/PS2/Xbox are all definitely retro now (arguably the Wii, too), because none of them output HDMI and you need converters for them, unless you're using an older TV or CRT that still has RCA/component jacks.

>> No.7883928

>>7883924
>games from 2011 are retro
Good god that would just be depressing

>> No.7883935

>>7883828
The PS3/Xbox/Wii gen is the end of the retro era. Period. Sixth gen is debatable but seventh gen is absolutely not retro.

Having to update games, digitial market places, HD graphics, and balooning development costs all signaled a new era. Certain genres that were previously staples of the industry became commerically unviable outside of the niche indie market. You can argue if we should count the sixth gen as retro, but not the seventh gen. The door absolutely shuts right there.

>> No.7883942

>>7883935
Only for now. In ten years, the games you consider "modern" will be retro whether you like it or not. You'll eventually be able to legally fuck girls who were born after your favorite "modern" games were released.

>> No.7883946

>>7883924
Make that anything that is released on a system that is 20 years old.
For pc, if it can run on a 20 year old flagship PC it's retro

>> No.7883956

>>7883828
Right now I would say the PSP and DS are also retro but not the 360/Wii/PS3

>> No.7883995

>>7883942
>You'll eventually be able to legally fuck girls who were born after your favorite "modern" games were released
Nah in 10 years time that will be illegal too.

>> No.7883996

retro
>something new made in the style of old

You'd think the definition is simple enough

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>>7883863
Gets me hard. I'm into younger women.

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>>7883828
I, for one, have certain criteria for what counts as "retro".
The sixth generation of consoles was probably the last era of conceptual evolution of video games.
The successive generations simply improved/build-upon the assets left by the old ones without inventing new methods of expression.
While there are games that push the boundaries of their mechanics, few have really turned any of these innovations into a trend.
Mario Odyssey is an expansion of the Space Station Silicon Valley concepts.
Dark Souls is simply a more complex version of Ocarina of Time.
And while the new so-called "editions" more often than not, improve on the ideas of their predecessors, they haven't really invented anything new.
To me, "retro" is something that defines a period, and I believe we're still not out of the "7th generation era," even though technically the hardware has changed more than once.

>> No.7884105

>>7883828
Retro as a concept is one that changes with time because it's based on their age from current-year. New things become old with the advancement of time, a basic ass concept that loads of people can't grasp on /vr/.

I'd rather the rule be something that would still hold always, like "game's earliest release is 20 years old" so that the rule wouldn't have to keep changing and making autists mad. Resultingly we'd just have threads every so often of the format "X game is now retro today", which sounds fine and even kind of novel.

>> No.7884112

Hardware prior to 2000 = retro
Hardware posterior to 2000 = not retro

>>7884105
>middle ages should end later because we're in the 21st century now

>> No.7884120

>>7884112
>middle ages, a specific era
>retro, a descriptor meaning old in a vague sense
Get a grip on reality dude

>> No.7884223

>>7883828
I go by how it connects to a display. Do you need some obsolete piece of technology like a CRT to run it as intended, or some sort of modern scaler solution? Its retro.
6th gen lines up at that. PS2 is primarily intended as a 480i CRT system. Dreamcast had the benefit of being an arcade system so had VGA, still limited to 480p.
Gamecube and especially Xbox are right at that cutoff limit, capable of 480p and even true HD 720p/1080i on most titles and widescreen support. Yet they still support primarily analog connection, with titles developed with CRTs as the main display in mind.

>> No.7884232

>>7884223
And to add on to that, the concept of dedicated handhelds themselves can be considered retro at this point. Smartphones have taken over for years now, seeing someone play even a 3DS or Vita in public is rare and many view having a now ten year old system as antiquated or quaint. Even the Switch being a handheld primarily is more of a gimmick or novelty now then it's primary focus.

>> No.7884236

>>7884120
The middle ages didn't think of itself as a specific era.

>> No.7884249

>>7883942
Ten years HAVE passed since the PS3 came out. It’s still not retro. I don’t see what another decade is gonna do here.

If you keep expanding the definition of the term it becomes meaningless. It’s already a tough sell to put Atari and Xbox in the same conversation.

>> No.7884412

>>7884249
I give it five years before everyone agrees PS3 is retro. You can't stop the passage of time.

>> No.7884449

>>7884412
The PS3 is still actively supported by Sony, it was getting new software at least as late as 2016 and it just got a firmware update.

>> No.7884459

Well it depends. Do we use retro as an always moving dileneator or do we retire it within a certain era. To be honest that sort of stuff will probably be determined after our time is up.

>> No.7884596 [DELETED] 

>>7883935
I was reading similar arguments in regards to PlayStation 2, GameCube, and Xbox just a few years ago, and yet, here we are. There's already a whole generation of teenagers and young adults getting nostalgic over those games.

>> No.7884603

>>7883935
I was reading similar arguments in regards to PlayStation 2, GameCube, and Xbox just a few years ago, and yet, here we are. There's already a whole generation of teenagers and young adults getting nostalgic over those games. it's absolutely going to happen, whether you like it or not.

>> No.7884618

>>7884223
So then would you consider the Wii retro? I think of all of the 7th gen systems, it should get consideration.

>> No.7884632

>>7884449

>The PS3 is still actively supported by Sony,
For now, but not forever.

>it just got a firmware update.
Of course it did, it's a networked console, so they have to at least maintain security, until they completely drop it. Microsoft supported Win7 up until around a year ago, but that didn't mean Win7 wasn't still old. There will inevitably come a day where Sony abandons PS3 support, too, and forces all PS3 users to go offline, probably in the next few years when PS5s become more common. They have already tried this before, but just reversed due to public pressure.

Also, the current HDMI version is 2.1, which includes 4K/8K 120Hz , whereas the PS3 only supports limited HDMI 1.4 from 2009.

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>>7883942
>the games you consider "modern" will be retro whether you like it or not
Only if there is another evolution in gaming (which will likely be mass adoption of VR headsets). This guy >>7884071 has the same take as me so I'll apply it to your post. PS3-PS4-PS5 games are part of the same era. Sony and Microsoft dabbled with the motion control fad for a bit but even Nintendo no longer cares about that. To me, it's all-or-none when it comes to this 15+ year era of gaming being considered retro.

>>7883956
I also agree with this because they're like portable 5th gen consoles, but I'm not mad that they can't be posted on /vr/.

>>7884449
>it just got a firmware update.
Guarantee it was an anti-piracy update and nothing else. They're not really "supporting" the console.

>> No.7884718

>>7883872
Nigga i got shirts over ten years old. Gtfo here with that shit.

>> No.7884826

15 years. Most consoles can still be on retail shelves after 10 years, and 20 years makes retro a subject for the elderly

>> No.7884829

>>7884618
Honestly, yea it can be. The Wii is unique because it was still analog, the games for it designed around its one off motion controls, it had almost no ports of 7th gen games typical of what we consider modern, and it was limited to 480p widescreen.
In fact, if you made a wagglemote control scheme today some might consider that retro since it's already archaic and obsolete and going on what, 17 years old? You'd get mocked for it when gyro exists.
It's in that same cusp as sixth gen is, where you can connect them to a modern television if they have component and get a signal without much issue, but component ports are all but gone and 480p support might be going the way of 240p soon enough.

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>>7883863
Makes me hard

>>7883996
Silly grownup. Words mean whatever any faggot chooses them to mean. This stupidity isn't a new thing. Pic related.

>> No.7885203

>>7883828
Any game that was designed to be run on hardware that isn't manufactured anymore is retro

>> No.7885314

im a zoomer so my opinion may not matter, but imo, the release of half-life 2
if not that, 2007 is the latest reasonable cutoff
the industry saw its biggest changes during the 7th gen from both developers and consumers
i have nostalgia for games like super smash bros brawl and red dead redemption, but i could never see myself calling them retro
>>7884603
the issue with that gen is that lots of 5th generation game design was still popular
sure, a lot of the technology was introduced in the 5th (online gameplay for consoles, paid dlc and digitally downloadable games, "movie games") they all didnt become the widespread norm until the 6th
if 5th gen is going to be included, so should the 6th.
>>7885203
>3ds games are now retro
ah yes, pokemon ultra sun is definitely retro

>> No.7885329

>My thread on Bully (2006) geta deleted from /v/ for being too retro
>My same thread on Bully then gets deleted from here for being too new

There are parts of time where some games can never be talked about on this site.

>> No.7885356

Nothing after the year 2000 is retro.


And it never will be.


Seethe zoomers.

>> No.7885373 [DELETED] 

>>7883935
Trueeeeee, digitalization killed the concept of retro.

>> No.7885378

>>7883828
I would consider any game before 2004 retro

>> No.7885420

>>7885356
How the fuck isnt conkers bad fur day retro

>> No.7885440

>>7885420
Because it was made after 2000. Are you fucking stupid? N64 is barely retro anyway.

>> No.7885450

>>7885440
I genuinely feel bad for you

>> No.7885463

>>7885450
I genuinely don't give a fuck what you think

>> No.7885470

>>7883828
We used to. Now shit like PlayStation 2 and Gamecube somehow count as retro here.

>> No.7885474

>>7885440
The official definition of retro is "recent past". You're confusing retro for old. You're the only "fucking stupid" one here, you dumb faggot.

>> No.7885476

>>7885463
ow the edge

>> No.7885481

>>7883872
>20 years old
Those consoles are 20 years old bro

>> No.7885486

>>7885474
Is a 2008 civic a "classic car"? No. Retro is an concept based on a certain time period. Not based on what you fucked around with when you were a child ten years ago.

>> No.7885493

If anybody ITT has a problem with people talking about 20 year old consoles on a retro forum. Then just don't go into the thread. Literally nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to go into them

Or cry about it online.

>> No.7885503

>>7885486
>Thinks 2001 was 10 years ago
>Adamant that the 90s is "barely retro", setting his own definition for what he things is old
Sounds like someone is horrified about the passing of time. Look how old you're getting, and wish nothing to show for it, boomer. At least you're pwning zoomers on a south korean anime message board.

>> No.7885504

>>7885486
>noooo stop it I can't accept the passage of time
for an old man you're a huge retard

>> No.7885518
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7885518

You have to be legitimately retarded to think that 6th gen should be discussed on this board. If time is the determining factor then 7th+ gen will be "retro" one day and we will need a new board for the actual retro games.

>> No.7885520

>>7885518
>If time is the determining factor then 7th+ gen will be "retro" one day
yeah that's the way it works, dipshit

>> No.7885523

>>7885518
These kids ARE legitimately retarded. Like seriously it seems they all have 15 mental illnesses and are all poly bi sexual and shit. I mean, have you talked to a sooner lately. it's excruciating.

>> No.7885529

>>7885523
are you ok anon

>> No.7885537

>>7885523
>Old man yells at cloud

>> No.7885538

>>7885518
Why don't you confront your fear of aging and time in private, rather than annoying everyone else with it?

>> No.7885553

>>7885538
>le ur getting old xD
Come on kid, this is the most boring, braindead response you can give. No one wants to get older, but it's a fact of life and I have accepted it. Give me one reason why SMW and RE4 should be discussed on the same board that does not involve age.

>> No.7885554

>>7885538
Why don't you develop a personality instead of exclusively regurgitating memes and borrowed thoughts.

>>7885529

You too

>>7885523

And you.


You're all zombies.

>> No.7885564
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7885564

Our rationale for choosing the fifth-generation systems as a cut-off is not based on age, but instead on what we deem to be particular technical attributes of these consoles compared to the sixth-generation and subsequent consoles. Specifically, we believe that there is enough of a style difference between the fifth- and sixth-generation consoles in a way we do not believe exists to the same extent for the sixth- and seventh-generation consoles or beyond that there is a benefit to focusing on the former (and earlier).

The sixth generation was the first full generation of consoles where the use of bitmap-based 2D in games was purely for the purposes of style rather than technological expedience. The sixth generation also saw the rise of certain styles of games which still dictate the games we play today, including Halo, which presaged an era where first-person shooters would be designed with consoles as first-class citizens, changing from Quake-influenced twitch shooters to slower games with limited weapon carrying and also popularising the use of vehicles in FPS games beyond just replicating rail shooter mechanics; Grand Theft Auto III and its sequels, which crystallised the attributes of the open-world third-person action-adventure; The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, which saw the first signs of the series becoming a mainstream success, with a tighter scope over its sprawling predecessor, along with the start of what have become gargantuan series such as Call of Duty and Battlefield. There are precedents in other fields in maintaining strict characterisation based on style that does not progress simply because of age.

>> No.7885565

>>7885554
>Complains about people regurgitating insults and thoughts
>Uses the same response on three different people in one post
Faggot.

>> No.7885572

>>7885565
Not him, but you're not actually this stupid right? You're just trolling now??

>> No.7885574

>>7885553
>Give me one reason why SMW and RE4 should be discussed on the same board that does not involve age.
When you were younger, did you imagine that one day you'd be spending your boomer years typing that sentence?

>> No.7885576

>>7885565
Go fake another mental illness on tiktok

>> No.7885583

>>7885574
Yes, I've been an autistic nerd for 33 years. I knew this would happen. You didn't actually answer the question though, you just resorted to shitposting while not saying anything of substance. You are cancer and I genuinely hope you get hit by a car tomorrow.

>> No.7885607

>>7883828
In my head, any console that can connect with wifi or use HDMI cables is not retro and anything else is.
That’s just me though.

>> No.7885634

>>7885314
3DS almost does feel retro these days because nobody is talking about it anymore. I know it’s not retro, but I also know I was like 14 when it came out and that feels like so long ago.
IMO, retro handhelds are anything before DS and PSP

>> No.7885638

Why are you guys so angry? /vr/ is supposed to be the chill version of /v/, not it’s twin.

>> No.7885651

>>7885481
>despite being over 10 years old
>hurr durr those consoles are 20 years old bro
Uneducated

>> No.7885657

>>7883828
Designed for a 4:3 CRT.

>> No.7885665

>>7885651
over ten years could imply they were not as old as they are. instead of being a cry baby troll faggot online. Maybe you should reevaluate your life.

Instead of crying like a fuckin bitch about what people talk about on forums. Grow the fuck up you troll loser.

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>>7885665

>> No.7885715

>>7885638
Things were super chill here until the rules were changed to appease children who want to talk about not retro things.

>> No.7885742

If anyone brings it up I give them a wedgie.

>> No.7885760

>roughly matched with the n64 power wise
The DS should be considered retro, prove me wrong

>> No.7885769

>>7883872
you don't honestly consider the PS3 gen retro, do you?

>> No.7885771

>>7883912
>Categorizing by age is dumb. There were SNES games released after the PS1 was out. Conker for N64 released the same year as Halo. Syphon Filter 3 was out just days before Halo.
I don't get what's wrong with this. Are you trying to say Halo isn't retro?

>> No.7885798

>>7885715
Wrong, there were lots of bitter old men STILL complaining about how 6th gen should never be considered retro. Genuinely uppity old faggots that have serious mental health issues resulting in difficulty accepting their mortality and the fact that time stays still for no man.
The mass suicides resulting from when 7th gen eventually becomes accepted here as retro will be a real sight to see.

>> No.7885819

>>7885742
Based and swirlypilled

>> No.7885827

>>7885329
>>My thread on Bully (2006) geta deleted from /v/ for being too retro
that's a rule? i see threads for retro games all the time on there

>> No.7885832

if the game never had a physical copy is it really retro?

>> No.7885835

>>7885493
i have nothing against 20 year old consoles on /vr/ but this is such a weak argument. you don't have to go into a thread for threads like it to change the board. threads that one is actually interested in may get bumped off the board faster, for one.

>> No.7885842

>>7885835
>threads that one is actually interested in may get bumped off the board faster, for one.
That's honestly not a real problem, why would it bother anyone if the board does change? To expect it to never change is pure insanity.

>> No.7886004

a lot of q4 2004 games make a good dividing line between old and new.
>gta san andreas
>cave story
>world of warcraft
>half-life 2 and counter-strike: source
>mgs3
>vtmb
>release of the ds
and if you include a few weeks into 2005
>resident evil 4
it just feels like the first big wave of truly "modern" games.
>>7885715
i honestly regret asking for 6th gen on /vr/ now
i think the generation is mostly retro, but the people it brought to this board are insufferable

>> No.7886021

>>7883863
Idea:
Retro Moms Thread
Anons who had sexy mommies, post old pics of your mom.

>> No.7886023

>>7883828
Anything after 4th gen is not retro. Simple. Eleventy bagillion nautical light-years from now, everything past 4th gen will still not be retro. Zoomers get the underwater levels.

>> No.7886029

>>7883828
retro games are pre 2000 but 6th gen is the last good gen for games

>> No.7886032

>>7886029
for good games*

>> No.7886037

>>7886023
You have to have an exceptionally retarded and narrow point of view to somehow believe that old games won't be considered old some day.

>> No.7886178

>>7885665
Are you not also, at this very moment, being a crybaby faggot on a message board?

>> No.7886365

>>7883828
anything from the 20th century
in like 10 years i'll consider 2000-2009 retro

>> No.7886379

PS3/360/Wii will be retro soon. The industry and the structure of games are a bit different now. Im tired, so forgive me if I don’t make sense. The way I see it, we can call an era retro if we can define it. Brown and bloom, gimmick motion controls, useless peripherals (Guitar Hero), being able to use racial slurs on voice chat without getting banned, shit like that doesn’t really exist anymore. You hear about those things and you think, “2007 on the Wii/PS3/360.” Seems kinda old, doesn’t it? The culture around games has changed since then. I understand a game like RE4 doesn’t seem old, but compared with RE8, it does seem retro. They’d never fit that much content into a game these days anyway. Again, sorry if I didn’t get my point across clearly.

>> No.7886387

>>7883828
240p/480i is retro
anything 720p and higher will never be retro

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>>7883828
I personally don't care, but I do feel weird hearing my zoomer nephews call Minecraft and FNaF retro.

I'm wondering what game preservation is going to be like in the future concerning 7th gen games. Will we just have to resort to the slow drip of remasters, or does anyone think that emulation will soon get good enough?

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7888110

Yep. All video games are not retro. Only electromechanical games are retro.
Fuck you X-ers and Millennials for thinking the NES is "retro". It literally plugs into a TV. Duck Hunt is no more retro than Wii Sports.

>> No.7888117

>>7888110
Thank you oh gate keeper

>> No.7888283

>>7883925
I unironically support having HDMI support being the final definition of retro. This way the Wii, 3DS, PSP, and Vita get included but not anything more advanced. Its arbitrary, but it also coincides with access to wifi ruining games with microtransactions. Games before alwayz-online internet shipped as complete products. It was a paradigm shift to be able to ship what are essentially beta products and patch them later while normies just ate that shit up

>> No.7888315

>>7883942
Technology has plateaued. Games from 10 years ago look pretty much the same as new releases except they have slightly less polygons wasted on environmental features. Its not really significant.

>> No.7888325

>>7884618
The Wii is an overclocked gamecube lol