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Why does Japan have no domestic game preservation efforts of their own and everything still has to be imported by foreigners who dump these games?
Computer systems like PC-98 are pretty much a lost cause because of this.

>> No.7846756

The NEETs over there aren't as capable with technology as western NEETs are. Most Japanese people do not own a desktop computer.

>> No.7846760

pilate game bling dishonoru to famiry
>b-but game pr-
SIRENCE gaijin. If the gaisha wanted to preserve THEIR games they would have.

TL note: gaisha means company

>> No.7846786

>>7846756
They prefer to flaunt their rare things on twitter, circlejerking with other Japanese collectors about their overpriced items that they barely even use and actually know next to nothing about beyond that they are rare.

Honestly not too much different than western collectors, only there's a layer of racism/xenophobia (actual racism, not schizo sőyboy defined racism) added to it.

>> No.7846793

Probably something to do with japanese copyright laws and how they view criminals in general

>> No.7846808

>>7846760
they have this retarded culture of honor bullshit and loyalty to corporations when Westerners just have this "Yeah fuck you, EA" attitude.

>> No.7846827

>>7846793
>>7846808
Amusingly there is actually a problem with bootlegged prototypes coming from Japanese auctions, and Japanese collectors seem to have no problem buying development copies and the like (despite that they were not supposed to be sold at all but rather returned to the publisher), so I get the feeling that their concern for legality tends to line up more with their own self interest.

>> No.7846834

they were surprised when working with Rare that Westerners are like "Ok I put in my 8 hours today, I'm going off to the bar to get loaded. See ya." instead of working 20 hours a day and sleeping in the office in hammocks.

>> No.7846837

Because Japanese culture is incredibly submissive, and about following laws and cultural power structures simply because they exist. Japanese collectors are much more prone to hoarding than western counterparts also because of this reason, but also just to jerk off their penis to how rare something they have is.
Keep in mind however that when it comes to piracy the Japanese are massive hypocrites when they aren't virtue signaling in public. Remember that despite complaining about ehentai and celebrating it's closure, it turns out they're one of the countries with the highest traffic to the site.

>> No.7846838

>>7846834
as an english teacher in japan, this is why we still do english teaching. because every job here that isnt english teaching is like 6 days a week, 12 hours a day.

had an interview last week where they literally told us to our face "yeah we expect 10 hours a day monday-sunday" and im not even memeing

>> No.7846840

>>7846760
You want kaisha for this usage, not gaisha.

>> No.7846845

>>7846837
>following laws and cultural power structures simply because they exist
ding ding ding. anon has discovered the basic truth to everything about japan and japanese people. it all stems to this

>> No.7846847

>>7846748
PC98 is one of the better preserved Japanese PCs. Mostly because of all the porn. Can't stop horny nerds.

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>>7846840
s-suman...

>> No.7846878

>>7846838
Since you're an expert on the subject, could you explain why nips are fucking terrible at english?

>> No.7846879

>>7846748
>Computer systems like PC-98 are pretty much a lost cause because of this.
Are there really any PCs well preserved? Simply trying to catalog the game libraries seems insurmountable. There has to be hundreds of thousands of DOS games.

>> No.7846882

>>7846837
>How dare you filthy gaijin, how dare you buy this rare game! You fucking pillager of artifacts! (Read: I was going to buy it for myself...)
>And you uploaded it online? I can't fucking believe you foreign scum! How dare you disrespect the company!
>*alerts IP holder
>*downloads ROM anyway

>> No.7846884

>>7846847
Many games have no clean floppy dumps and some games are distributed as hdd images with Yam's loader and the OS installed, not to mention all that shit sold on comiket that nobody even recorded the existence of. I'd say a lot is preserved but the dumps are bad.

>> No.7846891

I read somewhere that Japanese autists outbid arcade cab auctions solely so they won't get emulated in MAME. Does that still happen?

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>>7846882
>downloads ROM anyway
Kek I'm dying

>> No.7846904

40% computer illiteracy, 60% unquestioning obedience culture.

>> No.7846907

>>7846879
eXoDOS has upwards of 7000 games so yeah. It's possible. But they will never have 100%.

>> No.7846909

>>7846891
That's not unique to Japan. Think of how whenever a new prototype or beta is discovered there are at least three or four trust fund faggots that try to buy it specifically to keep it from ever being dumped.

>> No.7846917

>>7846884
The dumps aren't pristine but the games are playable. Don't go down the road of "every dump must be perfect" or you'll never win.

>> No.7846919

>>7846891
It happened with some unreleased Famicom game. It should be abundantly clear at this point that publicly advertised fundraising efforts are a terrible idea, so I kinda pin that on people who were promoting the fundraiser to keep that stuff on the downlow.
I actually kinda doubt that the winning Japanese bidder was even just one person willing to spend ~$15k USD, but probably a group of collectors who pooled together in secret to combat the western funding efforts, but I don't have anything to base that on.

>> No.7846932

>>7846748
If pic related then I think Japanese collectors did help preserve the Satellaview as best as such a thing could be. The recordings of those Zelda broadcasts had to come from somewhere.

>> No.7846942

>>7846917
For floppies it is pretty much pointless to ever worry about them having perfect integrity regardless of platform.
Whether it's due to bitrot, fucking magnets or stupid shit like IHC there's so many ways to mess up a floppy in ways you wouldn't necessarily even notice unless you're doing a byte-by-byte comparison

>> No.7846975

>>7846748
>murr preservation my ass
Because you are dumbfounded fool.

>> No.7846976

>>7846878
-not same language family
-passive learning method, ie teacher lectures while students quietly listen (not nearly as active or engaged as other countries education). at private school people pay a lot of money to come but bring absolutely no questions, topics, things to talk/ask about, no inquiriy into other countries/cultures, language, etc
-rapid and sudden industrialization at end of 19th century means the oldest generations had very poor educations and are the ones who developed curriculum, entrance tests, etc
-focus on passing tests, which are made with bad english, so they study bad english which is on the tests rather than correct english
-assigned classroom education system, so students do not have personalized schedules based on their abilities
-lack of grade or assessment throughout school year means little motivation to study and lack of practice. just pass the test at the end and there is no such thing as being held back
-unlike japanese, korean, tagalog, etc english is spoken in many different places, so they get mixed information (ie brits and americans telling them different pronounciations, etc)
-language only has ~130 sounds so teaching them R/L, TH/S, A/U (run ran), etc is like teaching color to a blind person
-theyre stupid people in general

a lot of comes down to the way their culture and education system is. they lack in a lot of areas

>> No.7846981

>>7846869
>Wojakfag

>> No.7847081

they're not good at PC stuff whether it's application software or games, ever since the 80s they make nothing but Wizardry and dating sims. stuff like Civilization, Command & Conquer, X-COM, etc was beyond them. they couldn't make those games if they wanted to.

>> No.7847138

>>7846837
shit man, MacArthur made them pixelate porn crotches and they were completely ok with it and never thought wait this is stupid

>> No.7847275

>>7846976
That's weird to read, though I'm guessing that's mostly for English learning, or does it apply to other subjects? I was under the impression that Japanese education was pretty rigorous.

>> No.7847295

>>7847275
>Japanese education was pretty rigorous.
its not.
most of those things i listed apply to english obviously. different subjects have different nuances or difficulties, and i dont teach any of them so i cant say a whole lot. but they dont learn very much world history at all and have a very japan-centric way of seeing history and the world in general. yes every country does this to an extent but not as much as japan does. when you have a small isolationist island country like this youre going to think youre the center of the universe, and it reflects in their language.

surely youve heard people say "gaijin." thats a short, casual/rude version of gaikokujin which is the japanese word for foreigner. you and me say "americans, italians, chinese, indians, russians, croations, kenyans, australians, etc" they just have "japanese and foreigners." they do not care to differentiate. you are jap or you are not, and thats the end of the discussion.

disaster happens in some country? tsunamis? shootings? 9/11? fuck all the people who died we need to hear about the japanese guy who was nearby, hes more important than everyone else.

oh naomi osaka is like 10% japanese and did something at tennis? now we care! NBA? you mean rui hachimura?

>> No.7847371

Not to go off topic, but is there any kind of singular database showing every windows/dos game thats been preserved/archived? Im guessing its more like several separate sites you have to cross check. I have a bunch of stuff i want to see if its been uploaded yet, like very specific regional releases or company promos and some stuff i got from conventions from indie devs of the 2000s.

>> No.7847549

>>7847371
Legendsworld is the biggest archive of windows CD games I know of

>> No.7847590

>>7847295
>disaster happens in some country? tsunamis? shootings? 9/11? fuck all the people who died we need to hear about the japanese guy who was nearby, hes more important than everyone else.

So, the japanese are collectivist commies ironically enough?

>> No.7847636

>>7847295
That doesn't mean anything other than the fact that you're upset that a country is proud of itself unlike every cucked western nation. They're very sheltered about world history but that's honestly a strength in today's subversive world.

In purely academic subjects they excel.

>> No.7847762

>>7846838
Why did you go there?

>> No.7847768

>>7846882
Do the nips go as low as to alert the IP holder?

>> No.7847770

yes Japanese do indeed suck at technology, time froze in 1995 there.

>offices still use fax machines
>and landline phones
>most music distributed on CDs
>never really figured out the Internet, the websites they have look like 2001

>> No.7847779

Dont the Japanese completely demolish and rebuild a home between owners? Thought I read that somewhere.

>> No.7847801

>>7847770
>the websites they have look like 2001
that's not a bad thing though

>> No.7848843

>>7846748
Because if you don't know about something it doesn't exist?

>> No.7848852

>>7847636
There is a balance between thinking youre the best at everything and center of the world and complete selfhatred. Their top universities are middle tier when compared with american and european institutions.

The culture and way of thinking lends itself to a lot of benefits. Intelligence is not one of those things.

>> No.7848871

>>7847801
They look like ass if you're not running 1024x768 though. Your average not-adaptive made for mobile crap website manages to look better in widescreen than your average japanese website.

>> No.7849083

>>7848852
Japanese universities are a different realm than their main schooling system.

>> No.7849135

>>7849083
Universities teach more and teach better than their k-12. You need to just accept japan isnt what you think it is

>> No.7849142

>>7849135
>Universities teach more and teach better than their k-12
now that's a good one mate you had me up to this point, university is when they stop giving a shit because there's no constant need to perform or clear hurdles

>> No.7849721

>>7846845
correct. japs are the ultimate conformist cuckolds.

>> No.7849836

>>7846748
They do have game preservation efforts. Just do a bit research and you'll find them.

They just don't shove it in everyones faces and yell around like only americans can do it. Europeans are a bit quieter, too.

>> No.7849926

>>7846976
>-theyre stupid people in general
Stupid people who Westernized so rapidly and effectively that they beat Russia in a war, colonized several neighboring countries, and took on the Allies in WW2. Then they became a world leader in automobiles, electronics, video games, comics and animation.

Clearly you really know what you're talking about.

>>7849721
Should Westerners in 2021 really be saying this?

>> No.7849939

>>7849926
slave-like labor with the 10th largest population in the world while having little to worry about in terms of defense or war will help. funny how the boom died off when americans left.

if you've lived in the adult world for more than a day you'd know economic success and intelligence are not mutually inclusive.

i have lived here for nearly 10 years dont even try to fucking start pretending like you know jack fuck about japan with me

>> No.7849964

>>7849926
In Japan there is a term that refers to Sőyboy Incel Wagecucks called Herbivore men, and it existed long before all of the aforementioned western terms came into existence.

>> No.7849967

>>7849939
There is no slavery in Japan. An absence of war doesn't magically produce the kind of results seen in Japan, just like pouring money into Africa doesn't produce a continent of first world nations.

>funny how the boom died off when americans left.
The occupation ended in the 1950s, before there was a boom in Japan.

>if you've lived in the adult world for more than a day you'd know economic success and intelligence are not mutually inclusive.
Stupid people simply cannot produce these results. It's not possible. IQ tests also place East Asians at the top.

>i have lived here for nearly 10 years
No you haven't, and you don't know anything about Japan.

>> No.7849993

>>7846748
>Why does Japan have no domestic game preservation efforts of their own and everything still has to be imported by foreigners who dump these games?
>be you
> can't speak or read japanese
> why doesn't <thing> exist? I tried nothing, looked nowhere and i'm out of ideas.
weeaboos, everyone.

>Computer systems like PC-98 are pretty much a lost cause because of this.
100% false.

>> No.7850003

>>7846786
>They prefer to flaunt their rare things on twitter, circlejerking with other Japanese collectors about their overpriced items that they barely even use and actually know next to nothing about beyond that they are rare.
Sounds good to me. Call me pessimistic but no one here actually cares when it comes down to it.

I know some of you guys are retarded but if you actually own a rare dev cart that's worth a few thousand minimum, no fucking way you're gonna dump it for a bunch of entitled gamers for the sake of "preservation". You'll be scalping that shit like an NVIDIA card.

>> No.7850014

>>7850003
If I had stuff like this I'd taunt the stupid community and would never release anything, just to piss those entitled fuckers off.

>> No.7850015

You are actually retarded aren't you? Like legitimate mental illness.

>> No.7850046

>>7850003
>Dump cart
>Sell to collector for thousands
>Leak dump

>> No.7850127

>>7849993
There is no such thing as tosec, no-intro or mame in japan. The most I've seen is someone dumping carts, scanning pcbs and only posting checksums on his blog.

>> No.7850348

>>7850003
>>7850046
I agree that some of the most vocal "DUMP IIIIITTTT" people have never owned anything undumped and if they did would probably demand compensation for dumping it (which, in my honest opinion, is fine, but it is very easy to claim you'd be super generous when you have nothing to give). That said, the vast majority of prototypes aren't worth a few thousand, in fact most aren't. Some are actually very cheap, all things considered.

As for dumping then leaking, in most cases it probably wouldn't matter to be honest, but if you plan on selling more than one thing, selling then posting the ROM would be a surefire way to get your name shitlisted among the moneyed collectors. Granted, it seems like a lot of moneyed proto collectors aren't the brightest folks and are going to be more interested in stupid shit that might or might not matter that much to preservationist (final version Nintendo protos, protos of games based on comics for some retarded reason, already dumped protos of popular series games, etc).

>> No.7851432

>>7846827
That sounds like a legal gray area to me. Are those explicitly illegal by Japanese law to sell?

>> No.7851546

>>7850348
I don't see why being shitlisted by moneyed collectors would be an issue unless that's a crowd you already run with or plan to run with in the future. Most of the time these finds are random joe schmoes. I would definitely sell some major prototype that happened to fall in my lap. But I'm also not likely to let it go without at least keeping a dumped copy because why the hell not? If I'm going to sell a one of a kind item then I'll make sure to at least be able to play it after it leaves my possession. But the buyers always get pissy about that and demand shit like the seller delete all dumps. I don't think I'd be a deliberate scumbag and leak it like the day after the sale but I'm not going to not keep a copy because of some sperg buyer.

>> No.7851593

>>7850348
>would be a surefire way to get your name shitlisted among the moneyed collectors
Lets be real, are you really going to stumble onto undumped carts that often? The only way that's gonna happen is if you live around a place like Redmond, Irvine, London or Kyoto.

>> No.7851594

>>7851546
Some people wind up with more than one, not too uncommonly either. Former press people, former game devs/relatives of former game devs, etc tend to wind up with decent stashes, so I could see them wanting to avoid closing off future sales channels. Oh, and yeah, I'm talking about publicly released dumps, not just private ones which are basically impossible to know about anyway, unless the dumper let's the buyer know.

>> No.7851606

>>7851593
It isn't that uncommon to come across protos in groups, especially if they are found from a source who worked in the industry in some way. It isn't too uncommon for former gaming press people to have dozens of prototypes, especially in the disc era. Beyond that, plenty of proto sellers are or were collectors themselves and might have a number to sell by virtue of that.
Whatever the circumstances, I can see where many people selling protos for profit wouldn't see a benefit to releasing ROMs. If they aren't involved in the preservation community, don't care about the title in question, and don't have the equipment to dump, going through the effort for little to zero compensation just doesn't make much sense. Now, if people got together and offered them cash to dump it regardless of sale of the cart, then maybe that would motivate them.

>> No.7851626

>>7850348
http://www.nvmusa.org/

I think there's an added complication that "it belongs in a museum!" is now a valid argument and realistic option.

>> No.7851652

>>7851606
>It isn't that uncommon to come across protos in groups, especially if they are found from a source who worked in the industry in some way.
Yeah, and such people live in places like the ones noted above. They're all in locations with people connected to the industry and for most people, you don't live there.
If you stumble onto this stuff, worrying about upsetting paypigs is just silly because you probably never will again. And even if you did, just sell it under a different account. What are they going to do, compare your name and address against a list of 'offenders'? Still got paid. Let em' seethe.

>> No.7851684

>>7851652
But, again, what would be their motivation to dump? Most people don't give a shit about game preservationists and e-cred.

>> No.7851685

>>7851626
Actually sending it to a museum is one of the worst options for proto preservation. They don't release shit.

>> No.7851715

>>7851684
Personally I'd enjoy watching them seethe over twatter and whatever neckbeard messageboard they gather, but that's just me. Tho I doubt I'll ever stumble onto any of these carts. And if I did, the clowns around here think they can get ebay prices for everything at their yard sales. It's gotten to the point that unless the place was owned by dead old people, I won't even bother stopping.

>> No.7851750

>>7851715
Yeah, I guess prototypes do still have a slim chance of being in the realm of things where a seller doesn't know what they have given their janky-looking nature, but even then more and more people are going to realize enough about games having value to do a bit of research before selling them for $10 a pop.

>> No.7852092

>>7850046
Yeah we do this.
Yeah it gets you on a shitlist, but that doesn’t stop you from selling again under a different name.

>> No.7852109

>>7851685
It would preserve the physical item though and make it available for the public to view and possibly demo. Plus a museum wouldn't give a shit if a dump is released so no drama.

>> No.7852118

>>7851750
Wasn't the Nintendo Play Station literally found in someone's trash can?
And IIRC that led to the MSU-1 ROMhacks?

>> No.7852124

>>7852092
I don't think dealing with any kind of media can come with the presumption that it won't be distributed. As a buyer you have to accept that it's going to happen simply by virtue of there possibly being more than one copy in existence. Like even if I think I have a unique prototype and don't dump it, I'm not going to promise a seller that it will NEVER be released because what the hell do I know about who's hands it's passed through before mine or what other copies might be floating around? The assumption that it WILL leak is a much safer way to operate.

>> No.7852212

>>7852118
no and no

>> No.7852371

>>7846976
This is one massive braindead take.

The reason Japs are bad at English is because the government has conspired to make it that way. English teachers exist as a form of lip service, because there are a large fraction of people who wish the country was bilingual because "woo go America!".

Politicians aren't retarded, they know that decent English study would result in a fractured country and a lack of impact when it comes to propaganda. So they stunted the school system with junk like JLPT and JET.

In other Asian countries that have very good levels of English, they hire actual English teachers. In Japan, they hire random idiots with college degrees in an English speaking country with zero teaching experience to sit in on an actual lesson and do absolutely nothing. As an English "teacher" in Japan, your job is to "engage" with children while the actual Japanese native teaches an outdated, garbage curriculum that you aren't allowed to question.

>> No.7852409

I've lived in Israel for more than five years and my Hebrew is atrocious. It's mostly my fault, though, cuz I'm lazy and never try at anything...

>> No.7852434

>>7847295
A disappointing amount of this post applies to Britain

>> No.7852468

>>7847295
I wonder what the average Japanese thinks of movies like Unbroken.

>> No.7852503

>>7852371
>this is a braindead take
oh this will be good, im sure you have a lot of research and great ide-
>ITS CONSPIRACY BY DA GUBMENT
oh ok

>all of english education in japan is done by foreign teachers
schizo AND retarded. Nice

>> No.7852632

>>7852503
I have to say Hikaru Shida has a surprisingly posh accent, though that is probably due to her consistently binging Harry Potter films in her youth.

>> No.7852659

>>7852124
Very true.

>> No.7852667

>>7846748
>Japan have no domestic game preservation efforts
This gets debunked every why. Of course they do, you just don't find them since they are in Japanese and not talked about a lot.

>> No.7852670

>>7846748
>Computer systems like PC-98 are pretty much a lost cause because of this.
>>7846756

>when /vr/ thinks they are big /g/ shit
Honestly, are you just pulling shit out your ass at this point?

>> No.7852679

>>7852667
Genuinely curious: how do they operate, since there's all that cultural and law stuff against it?

>> No.7852697

>>7846756
Most people have no use for a desktop computer in the smartphone era

>> No.7853174

>>7852679
Seconding this.

>> No.7853279

>>7850127
You're so fucking wrong. Explain why Replay Burners is the arcade games runs YT channel with the most views and content besides shitty worldofwrongplays...

>> No.7853429

Entertainment is throwaway garbage in japan, why would you care about old shit when you can have new shit?

>> No.7853452

>>7852371
>The reason Japs are bad at English is because the government has conspired to make it that way.
>>>/pol/

>> No.7854847

>>7847295
>disaster happens in some country? tsunamis? shootings? 9/11? fuck all the people who died we need to hear about the japanese guy who was nearby, hes more important than everyone else.
this literally happens in every fucking country on earth. why else would countries report on them? because citizens of their country died

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>tfw buy rare shit
>tfw uploading dumps and scans of them online for free
>mfw I don't give a single fuck

>> No.7854873

>>7846748
Memes propagated by Frank Cifaldi and his butt buddies. There's plenty of preservation going on in Japan, most of it is not public and is happening behind closed doors for various reasons. Strict copyright laws and stiff penalities for piracy, xenophobia, lack of western sense of entitlement to free software. The one group doing this publicly in Japan is the Game Preservation Society, but even they are restricted from freely releasing content to the public due to Japanese laws.
A lot of Westerners seem to be under the mistaken impression that the laws, morals and ethics in their country extend to Japan. It doesn't.

>> No.7854874

>>7846838
No, you do English teaching because you have no other marketable skills that would've gotten you a visa to enter the country. Plenty of foreign companies in Japan that you can work for that won't have you working bullshit Japanese hours.

>> No.7854882

>>7852118
MSU was written by byuu, long before the SNES CD prototype was found in someone's attic. Neither are related.
You clearly know nothing. Please drop posting.

>> No.7854902

>>7846748
They actually do have people preserving games over there. They're just not Japanese.

>> No.7854903

>>7854873
But, if it's so closed, how do you know Japan preserves their stuff?

>> No.7854919

>>7854902
It is funny that the main headliner of the Japanese game preservation society or whatever it is called is a French guy.

>> No.7854923

>>7854873
man this has been covered in here earlier. Japanese have a very silly obsession with obeying authority and power structures simply because they're there whether they make any sense or not.

>> No.7854941

>>7846748
There's a "Game Preservation Society" but it's basically just a bunch of cunts which keep the game but don't share them online with everyone.

>> No.7854945

>>7850003
>I know some of you guys are retarded but if you actually own a rare dev cart that's worth a few thousand minimum, no fucking way you're gonna dump it for a bunch of entitled gamers for the sake of "preservation". You'll be scalping that shit like an NVIDIA card.
If that were the case nobody would complain.
Thing is that there is a group known as "The Game Preservation Society" in Japan and they just refuse to even share the stuff they have no matter how much money you give them because they're that autistic.

>> No.7854951

>>7846834
Even many old western video game developers put in as much hours as their Japanese counterparts so assuming that every developer did the old "9-to-5" routine is dumb.

Rare probably got spoiled with more employees due to their partnership with Nintendo.

>> No.7854953

>>7846917
Do you even know what preservation means?
You sound like some mouthbreather who still uses ZSNES.

>> No.7854959

>>7848871
Most desktop websites are still designed for 4:3 because 16:9 is a shitty manlet aspect ratio with not enough vertical height you doofus.

>> No.7854963

>>7847636
>They're very sheltered about world history
Not at all. They're sheltered from fake history if anything.

>> No.7854970

>>7852371
They're based desu.
Notice how pretty much 90% of the American shit that gets popular in Japan is mostly more wholesome stuff?

>> No.7854974

>>7854873
>There's plenty of preservation going on in Japan, most of it is not public and is happening behind closed doors for various reasons.
Pure cringe. There's no preservation going on, it's just a bunch of autistic hoarders hoarding shit under the pretense of "preservation" and refusing to share it with anybody else.

Cifaldi is similar to them except he'll release shit but only after getting his e-peen sucked first for like several months.
Fucking faggot.

>> No.7854975

>>7854953
With magnetic media you may not have a choice but to take what you can get. We're at the point where pretty much all floppy disk games are at risk of data loss.

>> No.7854981

>>7847636
>They're very sheltered about world history
American schools still teach kids that Columbus discovered America. If the Japanese are sheltered about world history then they're merely one member of a pretty large club.

>> No.7854997

>>7846838
>had an interview last week where they literally told us to our face "yeah we expect 10 hours a day monday-sunday" and im not even memeing
Monday through Sunday is all 7 days. I'm sure they didn't tell you you'd never get a day off.

>> No.7855006

>>7846909
>Think of how whenever a new prototype or beta is discovered there are at least three or four trust fund faggots that try to buy it specifically to keep it from ever being dumped.
Yeah, but in 99% of those cases there's no racist/xenophobic element to it. Japanese collectors, and even most of the sellers on their auction sites, are like "fuck gaijin, rare Japanese games belong to Japan". And then they don't do anything with them because they're retarded and think dumping ROMs is against the law.

>> No.7855009

>>7852503
>schizo
You don't know what this word means.

>> No.7855010
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>>7855006
>they're like "fuck gaijin, rare Japanese games belong to Japan". And then they don't do anything with them because they're retarded and think dumping ROMs is against the law.
kek
like a dog who finally caught a car

>> No.7855025

>>7855010
I remember seeing some Japanese proto collector who spends thousands on shit and has tons of stuff collected over many years, seeming to think that a retail PCB of a Famicom game with a sticker on it was a proto. Of course he didn't look up PCB databases to see if his board was even a proto, didn't dump it, all he could do (and seemingly wanted to do) was play it on a console and hope to spot differences. That's fine, his shit, his choice, but it really was eye opening, that some of the people with these huge collections, many years invested, and tons of money to spend on these things don't really know or seem to care to know basic things about what they're involved with

>> No.7855058

>>7855006
>think dumping ROMs is against the law.
Japanese IP laws are weird as fuck so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is.

>> No.7855065

>>7855025
I think there's a bit of confirmation bias with these things. When we're talking about proto collectors we're talking about a niche of a niche of a niche. The personality types who would be attracted to a hobby like that probably tend to have more quirks in general.

>> No.7855076

>>7847770
The main difference was they switched entirely to phones for normal folk a little earlier than the US did.

>> No.7855084

>>7846838
>>7846976
Sounds like you're interviewing for bad jobs. Unsurprisingly, young Japanese aren't interested in staying long hours everyday in their jobs and employers know this.

I'm not a young Japanese myself, of course, but I'm gonna finish university here, so by their rules I count as for jobs offered to new graduates. Having gone though that process just in the last few months, pretty much every big company makes sure to mention how they're Mon-to-Fri only, trying to cut overtime, how many paid leave days are people taking on average, that 100% of the women and many of the men are taking child-caring leaves etc.

Yeah, maybe I'm a naive sucker and when you actually start working, you still get fucked over. Probably depends on the company. Nonetheless, it's clear the crazy Japanese working style you hear Westerners meme about is going away, if not now, certainly with the young generations.

>>7852371
>junk like JLPT
How is a test for foreigners fucking over English education in Japan?

>> No.7855085

>>7855006
I've heard of sellers on those Japanese auction sites pulling out of a deal once they found a gaijin was the top bidder/winner. Is there any way at all to prevent that from happening short of moving to Japan?

>> No.7855182

>>7854903
>>7854974
Again, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is happening behind closed doors. A lot of smaller groups (or "circles") are preserving things and are actually giving them to groups like GPS. The reason it isn't publicized is because of the reasons I and others have already addressed, specifically Japanese IP and Copyright law and enforcement. GPS is still working to advocate for exemptions to better support their work. There is more available to them than they can comfortably take possession of, let alone announce because of potential litigation. Not every Japanese company is supportive of what they're doing, but many are and more are starting to change their view on it.

>>7854945
>>7854941
Japanese law isn't the same as in Western countries. Your sense of entitlement and privilege are showing.

>> No.7855192

>>7855065
Of course, but I guess to go with that niche territory you'd think they'd have a little more knowledge of what they're dealing with beyond "internet person tells me this is a prototype, so I spend big money on it and jerk off to it without ever even learning enough to confirm what it is." And no, that isn't exclusive to Japan, I wasn't trying to make it a cultural thing really, I'm sure many Western collectors are as ignorant about what they have as Japanese ones. It's really just amusing to see how money and time don't really equate to knowledge or genuine passion. Probably goes beyond videogames as well, to baseball card collectors who don't know the rules of the game or art collectors who only value art because... it's valuable.

>> No.7855221

>>7852109
what a backwards idea
>register an appointment with the museum and arrive in person just to play a barely working beta version from 1991 on a Mcdonalds N64 kiosk with a time limit

>> No.7855248

>>7854959
>Most desktop websites are still designed for 4:3
Yes. Probably 99%. Because let's face it. If you designed a "desktop website" at any point in the current millennium you're a retarded 3rd worlder who didn't get an LCD until the pawn shop ran out of CRTs.

>> No.7855264

>>7854941
Which is perfectly okay and fine, because you americans just need to understand that you're not entitled to anything. Deal with it.

>> No.7855270

>>7854974
It still is preservation if its properly preserved and measures are done. Just because you can't download it, it doesn't mean its preserved.

>> No.7855504

>>7855182
If a game vanishes and only one of those groups has it, what will they do?

>> No.7855518

>>7853429
>Entertainment is throwaway garbage in japan
How do people come up with this shit?

>> No.7855572

>>7854959
>Most desktop websites are still designed for 4:3
Content is centered though, not scrunched up in the top left corner like japshit.
>responsive or adaptive website designs? what are those ~ Japan

>> No.7855578

>>7855518
Because it's true. Japs don't care about preserving toys for children.

>> No.7855594

>>7855578
Not sure I agree, Amerifat, considering the countless Mandrakes, Book Offs, Geos and other second-hand stores for games and myriad other entertainment.

>> No.7855651

>>7855025
i recall there being a jap collector who was always bidding against us gaijin on Yahoo for various jap protos with the intent to be buried with them.

Nintendoage story with Strider and Monster Party being the cases that come to mind.

>> No.7855673

>>7846838

What type of job did you apply for anon?

>as an english teacher in Japan
Eikaiwa or ALT?

plus you know in that 10 hours work-day only 6 hours of work gets done slowly.

>> No.7856061

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKH0x21rj1Y

what up DYKG

>> No.7856108

>>7855085
Two possibilities.

1. Have a bunch of money and DO NOT LET THEM OUTBID

2. Get a group of people who will donate at least 200 dollars each and keep bidding

>> No.7856124

>>7855673
>plus you know in that 10 hours work-day only 6 hours of work gets done slowly.

Not him. Could you explain this better? It's gotten me curious.

>> No.7856130

>>7856108
I've only tried to bid twice, cheap stuff, but I lost. What are some good advices for bidding?

>> No.7856137

>>7856130
If it's either ebay or yahoo, just sit on your ass when its close to bidding time and do not leave. You need lots of money of course. The only thing you can do when you are mid bidding is bid a price that is completely out of nowhere.

>> No.7856146

>>7856137
Oh, I see. Thanks! Then the final minute is more important than anything else. I guess a good internet connection helps, since you must be sure the final moments go smoothly.

>> No.7856320

>>7856108
This literally does not matter. When they realize the bidder ID or the delivery address is a proxy, they will just bail on the sale

>> No.7856330

>>7855504
The entire Islands of Japan would need to sink into the ocean for this to happen.

>> No.7856392

>>7856330
So, if only Japan has the game, what will happen? Will people be able to play it?

>> No.7856401

>>7846748
>Why does Japan have no domestic game preservation efforts


Yakuza

>> No.7856440

>>7856401
Elaborate, please.

>> No.7856679

>>7846902
>the bogpill made it past the Rising Sun
What's his endgame?

>> No.7856708

>>7855594
>Americans understand Japan better than me

>> No.7856728

>>7855182
>muh privilege
Post tidds.

>> No.7856741

>>7856440
Yakuza

>> No.7856765

>>7856741
Throw away all your meds. They can't help you anymore.

>> No.7856804

>>7846838
what program/company did you go through? did you already have a visa to Japan beforehand?

>> No.7856812

>>7856330
No, not really. Tons of Japanese media has been lost to floods, tsunamis, earthquakes, and fires in the pass. When it comes to the retro anime scene, especially OVAs, more work is lost than properly preserved.

>> No.7856909

>>7856765
Yakuza

>> No.7857947

>>7856909
Amogus