/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7394294
Toasty.

>>7394294
Why even bother playing, that must be the most uncomfiest game set up ever.

Is this considered a tool assisted speedrun? surely it should be
even though im sure they just dump it in it's own category, it kind of opens up all these weird questions as to like what is and isnt a valid speedrun

>>7394294
>I will never be this autistic about anything
why even live

>>7394294
''Someone develops muscle memory and breaks his record''

>>7394294
>be speedrunner
>all about being as efficient as possible
>still stick to shitty 80mg 110calorie $2.37 8oz can of Redbull rather than delicious 300mg caffeine 0calorie sour apple sugar free $1.50 16oz can of Rockstar Hardcore

>>7394421
I don't see how its not. Setting a fire under the fucking thing so the game code gets weird is like a caveman version of Game Genie.

>>7394519
>Eating or drinking any zero calorie product
Absolutely retarded. Just eat less if you have a weight problem.

>>7394294
There was one video talking about how it works. Don't do it. You can damage your shit, as well as burn down your home.

>>7394519
Imagine going on about efficiency but not drinking a cup of black coffee brewed from home for literally pennies per cup.

>>7394582
Sorry mister Schlomostein but you're not duping me into blowing $15 on four dinky cans of redbull and downing 1000 calories in twenty minutes when I got my superior cheaper drinks that won't make me dormant while you try to force us into slave labor.
>>7394593
Average cup of coffee only has 60-80mg of caffeine that is highly inefficient.

>>7394519
>Drinking shitty sugar crap energy drinks, instead of bang the king of energy drinks.
Kys, faggot

>>7394596
You just quoted that can of redbull as having 80 mg. It's easy to brew stronger coffee or spend another dime to have a second cup.

black coffee tastes better than any 7/11 hormone altering chemical waste bullshit

>>7394625
10/10 post, black coffee goat
When will they learn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM&ab_channel=MrMagicmustafa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxt1uqr5H8&ab_channel=PHILLIPMOVIE

>>7394625
>>7394717
coffee is a pain to make though, all the instant ones taste like fucking shit

>>7394726
>Put water on boil
>Put beans in grinder
>Grind beans
>Put the ground beans in water
>Wait

How much onions I need to consume to consider this "a pain to make"?

Coffee anons, is tea also acceptable?
I like a nice pot of tea while playing.

>>7394753
Giga-Chad drinks both tea and coffee depending on his mood and what he likes at the moment

>>7394294
Yes they cheat like crazy.

Coffee, Tea and water are the GOAT

>>7394771
Honeybush tea is great once you’re all dosed up on caffeine. Smells and tastes great, plus it’s healthy.

I can understand the appeal of speedrunning action games even though the level of autism that goes into it is too much, but speedrunning jRPG? Why would anyone even think of doing that?

>>7394795
Speedrunning any game for longer than 1 hour is something I'm very skeptical towards... Look at GTA games for example. If the run literally takes over 5 hours, is it even morally admissible to call it a "Speed"run? The best ones, and most exciting ones to follow from my perspective, are the games that take around 30 minutes to complete and leave a lot of room for the player to affect the movement of the character, as an example some of the most dull and mind-numbing runs are Pokemon games in which your character always move at set pace, and the fight segments are turn-based, leaving you with no chance of anything fun ever occurring. Good as a sleep medicine though.

>>7394294
I think the reason speedrunning produces so much more sickness than any other scoring method is because the score is measured by how much it erases the original game. With this scoring system the less of the game that is actually played the better. The community finds all sorts of bugs, glitches, and tricks that skip or shorten the game. Not only does the community actively work to find these methods of erasing the game but they also measure a game's worth by its potential to be annihilated.

If you want to get on the scoreboard why would you play something like Contra where the difference in time between one no-death run and another is only a few seconds? It would be very difficult to defeat an old record since there is going to be very little room for improvement. Plus being just a few seconds faster doesn't look very impressive on the charts anyway.

If you play Ocarina of Time you could be hours ahead of other players if you discover a new glitch! Which is exactly what happened to that particular game, more and more glitches were found which kept the scoreboard competitive. With each glitch added more of Link's adventure got erased until he was just teleporting through walls to skip the whole thing. I'm told he doesn't even fight Gannon anymore, he just does a glitch that makes the credits roll. That counts as winning. I think Ocarina is the most popular game in speedrunning, by a very large margin too. In general it seems the more of the game that gets erased in the speedrun the more popular it is, not only for the player but for the spectators.

I can't find the video but I remember there was one with an arch-autist theorizing that in Paper Mario it might be possible to trick the game into going into the credits right at the title screen, so that he could 'beat' the game without even having to play it. So this would be the final conclusion of speedrunning: erasing the game entirety and leaving only the scoreboard.

>>7394819
>is it even morally admissible to call it a "Speed"run?
Yes, retard. If the game takes more than 5 hours to beat, then beating it in 5 hours qualifies as "speed".

>>7394852
No it doesn't lol.

>>7394819
Yeah, some of the longer ones are very comfy and I love falling asleep to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8Guy69ZCAg&ab_channel=EuropeanSpeedrunnerAssembly
As long as they're actually playing the game though. If its just hours of memory manipulation then I find it boring.

>>7394831
>If you want to get on the scoreboard why would you play something like Contra where the difference in time between one no-death run and another is only a few seconds? It would be very difficult to defeat an old record since there is going to be very little room for improvement. Plus being just a few seconds faster doesn't look very impressive on the charts anyway.
It only looks unimpressive, if you have no context for the game. Which is no different than looking at any numbers without context.

>>7394831
>I think the reason speedrunning produces so much more sickness
mate, it's a meme

>>7394867
Yes it does lol.

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>>7394294
>Do speedrunners really
...have no penis?
Most of them.

>>7394867
Speedrun means you're completing it as fast as possible. If 5 hours is what the game can be shrunken down to, that's a speedrun. It doesnt matter if you are willing to sit down and watch it or not.

Where do you people get these arbitrary definitions for everything?

>>7394901
My definition of "Speed" is below 1 hour. That was the point. Deal with it, bro, haha. It's just a strangers opinion on the internet.

>>7394905
>My definition of "Speed" is below 1 hour.
You're stupid lol.

>>7394909
No you are the stupid one silly boy!

>>7394726
Mister Coffee has been a thing since the 70s. Just get a can of Folgers and some filters.

>>7394795
Agreed. Action game runs are fun to watch but RPG "speedruns" are a bunch of exploit after exploit that make the game impossible to follow. Watch a Chrono Trigger speedrun and it looks like total chaos. "I just menu'ed when I'm not supposed to and in one frame caused a memory overflow so I have 999atk and now I'm going to save and reset and loading the save brings me to another location but I'm underleveled so here's an underflow instakilling the boss that I manipuated the RNG for and during the victory screen if I open the disc tray...aaaand...TIME!

>>7394294
*shrug*
No different to a lot of respectable phd students. You can get used to a mess. The most concerning thing is it shows probably noone else is ever around.

>>7395221
>Action game runs are fun to watch
Speedrunning is not solely for watching. It's a competition to see who can get the best time.

>>7395232
.... and? Football isn't "solely for watching" but a lot of people do it.

>>7394332
I like clutter so fuck you

>>7394608
Also, the redbull is usually compared to a 12 oz cup of coffee, I don't think I ever drink under 24 oz at a time.
Different anon, my .02

>>7394625
mah nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKTN58kLZAw

>>7395221
Imagine broadcasting that you're this much of a sperg

>>7395742
Found the AGDQ fan

>>7395762
You leave me and my tranny friends out of this

>>7395778
I have nothing against trans folks but what is it about speedrunning that acts like a magnet for them? Their representation in that community seems way higher than in the general population.

>>7395787
They're overrepresented in retro gaming as a whole, not just speed running. Haven't figured out why yet.

>>7395793
Gaming being a solitary activity would reasonably attract social outcasts maybe?

>>7394294
wouldnt that just make it slower

>>7394905
You have a retarded way of defining speed.

>>7394294
that's a nice-looking solder station. Same for the audio equipment. Looks like this person has some money for their hobby.

Also, given how everything in the pic has JP labeling, I'm assuming this guy is Japanese, which might explain why in god's name they would be speedrunning dragon quest games.

>>7394519
>>7394519
willing to bet it's not sold in his country due to regulations on inedible food product

>>7394795
JRPGs are, ironically, made for speedrunning. You read magazines and such from Japan about the original DQ, and discussion is focused on how to beat the game as efficiently as possible. It makes sense; That game is basically nothing but a timesink, so you do better if you can figure out an optimal pathway.

>>7396497
I think over time a distinct difference developed between "beating a game fast" and "speedrunning." The influx of exploits and weird meta caused a rift between the two. You're not going to see advice in a strategy guide from back in the day that resemble speedrunning strats.

>>7394596
60 - 80 mg is the effective dose for a 150 - 250 lb man. Quadrupling the dose won't make you 4x as alert but it will make you 4x as jittery.

>>7394746
just pay some college graduate in a green apron $5 to make it for you

>>7394513
The human element

>>7394901
>Where do you people get these arbitrary definitions for everything?
Their ass

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>>7395738
Based, blessed, and comfy, all of you.
>>7396528
Some people do glitchless runs. Shit's pretty cash.

>>7396497
>Timesink

That's all the metroidvanias I've ever played

>>7396561
I prefer those by far

>>7394831
>the less of the game that is actually played the better
Its almost why on any popular game there will be a large divide between any% and actual categories.
Often for a lot of games there will be entry level categories like any% NG+, which might mean it has so little content it dies off. Or a extreme between any% and All Bosses, or even any% vs any% glitch less.

Sometimes you even have runs where once new skips are discovered, any% falls out of favor because its too skip heavy.
People might run OoT any%, but its too short and has too little content.

>>7396540
>Spending more than a dollar a cup for bean water

Feel bad for you zoombies

>>7394795
>but speedrunning jRPG
Look anon
There is a large divide between people running FF1-3+5, DQ1-4, and the alike vs: Any somewhat modern form of JRPG.

One involves excessive grind planning, heavy usage of modern step count techniques, possibly encounter manipulation. Possibly with unsafe dungeon dives for optional or lategame items out of order.
The other involves very optimal and unsafe strats to experience the story cutscenes and bosses as fast as possible. Depending on how the games work, some even lack grinding segments.

>>7396982
This happens in A Link to the Past, too. Technically you can clip right to the ending but that's pointless so nobody does it.

>>7397014
That slime looks way too happy.

>>7394294
>red bull
>monster
high caffeine drinks really fuck my shit up senpai, you can keep that garbage

>>7395841
and old games are weird for games too, so maybe it is an outcast bunch in the group of outcasts.

It's really no surprise that trans are into social outcast stuff, as they feel like they don't fit in anyway. I don't know if it's true, but I have heard that they suspect a link between autism and trans tendencies, so maybe the two just come together in speedrunning. The other factor, I'd say, is that speedrunning is rather public-facing for games stuff. If you aren't a face in the dev world, or a streamer, then you probably don't have much presence. You are essentially an invisible in the community. When you speedrun, however, you have GDQ giving you a very obvious visual to the world. This might just serve to highlight an unusually high concentration in that sphere. You also can't know for sure if GDQ hasn't actively worked to encourage those peoples to join into their events.

>>7396571
I make that statement about DQ1 because it really is that way. By design, anyone can beat dragon quest, given enough time and maybe guidance on where shit is located. If you know every solution to the game, ie. where the key items are, and you know all the puzzles/etc. and requirements of what needs to be killed and where you need to go, then at that point the game just becomes an optimization challenge. It's all about how efficiently you can turn time into experience/gold. There's not really any strategy beyond knowing what items are where and knowing how to optimize it for getting upgrades at best times. That's the crux of it; The mags would tell you what items were worth getting and which were a waste of money, or how to get them most efficiently with minimal risk.

>>7396528
That's a reasonable thing to note, but it is worth noting too that there are dudes out there that speedrun the game without exploits. Still, I get what you mean. When you start tearing the game apart, you start getting to weird subsets of "gaming" and the definition starts to look funny.

>>7396540
fuck all that fancy shit, just give me a container of cheap mass-market pre-ground and I'll pour it right into my cup. Add boiling water and wait. If you hate grounds in your teeth then use a pot and maybe a strainer, but far as I'm concerned it's not a big deal.

>>7397423
>I make that statement about DQ1 because it really is that way. By design, anyone can beat dragon quest, given enough time and maybe guidance on where shit is located. If you know every solution to the game, ie. where the key items are, and you know all the puzzles/etc. and requirements of what needs to be killed and where you need to go, then at that point the game just becomes an optimization challenge. It's all about how efficiently you can turn time into experience/gold. There's not really any strategy beyond knowing what items are where and knowing how to optimize it for getting upgrades at best times. That's the crux of it; The mags would tell you what items were worth getting and which were a waste of money, or how to get them most efficiently with minimal risk.
So if you know every tiny little detail about a game, and if you refuse to do things just because you like doing them, and if you don't want to do sidequests or challenges or explore more, and if you don't care about playing comfortably, then it's all just a speedrun. What part of that ridiculous nonsense makes sense to you? You could say the exact same about any game.

>>7394606
You mean Barqs?

>>7397453
well I say it about DQ because there's no skill involved, it's all knowledge-based. The big difference between DQ and say, Super Metroid, is that the latter still requires practice of timing and inputs and such. DQ doesn't require that, it's just knowledge. Low dex is perhaps a better way of putting it.

>>7394294
Is there any reason why he's using a crappy famiclone instead of original hardware? Is there some added advantage?

I doubt this is even a speed runner, since you aren't supposed to use clone consoles.

>>7394831

Learn what categories are

>speed running Goldeneye
>plug second controller in port 2
>open up controller so PCB is exposed
>just, fucking press down against the PCB of said controller
>game runs faster for no fucking reason
[Spoiler]>do it off-camera, and don't tell anybody you discovered this until months later

>>7397541
Goldeneye / PD community uses in-game time anyway. no one really cares about all missions

>>7394294
>dilationstation.jpg

>>7397602
The forced meme is cringe and the cryptotrannies trying to force it are even more cringe, but I keked at that.

>>7394519
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>>7394596
Abusing psudoephedrine hydrochloride pills is faster. You do start to go a little crazy by day three or four though.
t. had a cold that lasted for five days and found this out by accident.

>>7394519
Dale?

>>7396982
Isn't the WR for OOT any% like 10 minutes now? The 100% is like 3 hours but it's a lot cooler to watch and implements some of the same tricks.

>whats new with GDQ these days?
>look them up
>pic related
>close tab
>lol

>>7400426
This is just what happens when you get a pandemic.

>>7394519
It's very obviously sponsorship

>>7395841
Incel-Tranny Pipeline

>>7400426
>he/they
Is that a joke, picking and mixing like that?

>>7394596
If you're so concerned with efficiency then why not just get caffeine pills instead?

>>7394753
I find tea stains my teeth while coffee doesn't.

>>7394726
Eh, when instant is all youve got you forget how good coffee tastes. Like how sixlets suck once you try m&ms.

>>7394294
christ I can smell the gamer sweat from my screen

>>7394606
red bull tastes good, fuck you

>>7400426
Itssss a madhousse

>>7400840
I hope it is.
Otherwise that guy would be an idiot.

>>7394294
A hobby's a hobby after all

>>7405175
B-b-b-ut my hobby identifies an obsession

Speedrunning is a mental illness