/vr/ - Retro Games

>>7228239
e-celebs are the only reason people hate this game

>>7228261
makes sense. if anything, tooie aged way worse than dk64 did. dk64 is pure ludo

It has N64 era charm, but the level/world presentation and gameplay is terrible. There is a point that could be made that the game lacks resemblance to other DKC games, but I'm not even sure it's very important. This game may be frustratingly made, but it's impossible not to still respect that Rare was actually putting out so many ambitious titles. Compared to Nintendo themselves who made half-baked 2D Yoshi and Kirby games in the same time period as a tiny dev making so many games.

>>7228261
I would really love to punch everyone who mentions e-celebs out of nowhere in the face. And DK64 is no way near as good as Banjo-Tooie. Get your head checked.

>>7228272
>DK64 is no way near as good as Banjo-Tooie
it is. banjo-tooie is awful. banjo-kazooie is great though.

>>7228272
>I would really love to punch everyone who mentions e-celebs out of nowhere in the face.
You have autism.

>>7228272
It’s a collectathon for collecting’s sake. The game built around it is not good, BUT it’s still one of the better n64 games because the n64 just does not hold up.

>>7228239
First world is the only good one
By Angry Aztec the worlds become needlessly huge, with tons of backtracking and slow-moving characters. It's insane just how much more playable the game is with the instant Kong Change hack.

>>7228239
>play this game as a child
>wtf this is boring af what a waste of money at least I got the expansion pack

>>7228239
>why?
beaver bother

>>7228239
I think collectathons in general are not liked by most people as it’s essentially busy work that poses no challenge

>>7228712
>busy work that poses no challenge
That's most popular games

I always thought DK64 got it's ire from the over-saturation of collectables. There's just so, so many that 100%ing the game becomes a chore, pretty much like the current new Crash Bandicoot game.

>>7228261
Only zoomer revisionists think this. DK64 was fodder for all kinds of video game magazines back in the day, Electronic Gaming Monthly in particular regularly referenced it as just a go-to example of a terrible 3D platformer.

Rare never made a single good platformer. yes that includes Country 1 and 2. yes that includes Banjo.

Sounds like nostalgia goggles to me

>>7228831
I'm playing Banjo right now and it's pretty good. Not as good as Spyro, but very close.

>>7228831
I'm playing Banjo right now and it's pretty good. Not as good as Spyro, but in the same league.

>>7228239
It was beloved back when it was released. I had a ton of fun with it, everyone I knew enjoyed it and would check in on how far the others were and ask each other for help with finding shit.

I agree that it's soulful as hell, that's a huge charm of the game. Lots of inspiration put into the presentation of everything and the characters, the music and level concepts are fantastic. It's admittedly a little a bit hard to play nowadays with how the backtracking is, but when you're a kid it makes the game feel fucking huge with so much ground to cover and so many options to explore.

Its only good the first time around. Ive tried multiple times throughout the years to replay it and never managed to endure further than Frantic Factory, the gameplay just isnt that interesting. The same goes for Tooie.

>>7228881
Spyro isn't even good.
there's 3 great Mario platformers (64, Galaxy 2, and Odyssey) and there's maybe Psychonauts, which is only worth playing for the story and dialogue and not for the actual gameplay.

3D platformers are just a shitty genre. But even Rare's 2D platformers suck dick and that's a good genre of game. Rare just sucks at platformers.

>>7228951
>there's 3 great Mario platformers (64, Galaxy 2, and Odyssey)
Like clockwork

>>7228963
Not my fault the genre itself is terrible and only Nintendo can make remotely good ones.

More people try to 100% complete games than they used to. DK64 is fun but gets tedious when you go for 100% without a guide, most people used to just stop playing games when they stop being fun.

>>7228778
This is how I felt about it after going back and playing a bunch of classic 3d platformers. It's not a bad game unless you're specifically trying to 100% it

>>7228239
> absolutely terrible graphics
> forgettable soundtrack that features one of the worst songs ever written for a video game
> extremely homosexual game mechanics
> absolutely no thought put into the design
> awful textures and palettes
> needed to bundle a RAM expansion with it because not a single developer at rare could work out what bugs made the game crash without the RAM expansion present
> awful camera setup
probably one of the worst and most forgettable of n64 releases ever created.

>>7228261
no, it was always an absolutely terrible game. the only people that liked it were retarded toddlers than never experienced donkey kong before the franchise was destroyed by rare and nintendo.

>>7228239 (OP)
> absolutely terrible graphics
> forgettable soundtrack that features one of the worst songs ever written for a video game
> extremely homosexual game mechanics
> absolutely no thought put into the design
> awful textures and palettes
> needed to bundle a RAM expansion with it because not a single developer at rare could work out what bugs made the game crash without the RAM expansion present
> awful camera setup
probably one of the worst and most forgettable of n64 releases ever created.

>>7228261
no, it was always an absolutely terrible game. the only people that liked it were retarded toddlers that never experienced donkey kong before the franchise was destroyed by rare and nintendo.

>>7228239
Its a fine game. The only people who complain about it are autists who must 100 percent all of their games.

>>7229134
if you talk about the DK rap like that again I will slap you in the mouth

>>7229194
>if you talk about the DK rap like that again I will slap you in the mouth
the only person you should be slapping is grant kirkhope for being a talentless hack.

>>7228239
It’s LITERALLY just that people are bad at it

There’s genuinely no other reason. Every reason cited boils down to two things:

A. People simply being bad and blaming the game instead of admitting it
B. Poor planning skills that make going the game slower than it would be if you actually thought things through

>>7229134
>absolutely terrible graphics
its one of best looking n64 game
>forgettable soundtrack
filtered. its by far the most atmospheric soundtrack in a n64 game. way better than kazooie and tooies music. slept on by retards.

the rest of your points are you crying so im not going to address them.

>>7228239
DK64 rules.

Had it when it came out and played it to death. Anyone who hates DK64 is a faggot pussy.

>>7228239
>why?
Brainlets and OCD fags think they need to 101% the game to beat it, when the game gives you a good ammount of leisure (like 30%) to beat the game at your pace.

>>7228261
Wrong. I hated this game as a child and I hate it now.

I really liked it and still do, even 100%ing it as a kid I didn't hate it. I probably couldn't do 100% now but why would I have to?

You know the one thing they should have changed is to make it so I can switch and play as HE anywhere and not have to find the HE barrel to play as HE when I see a line of blue bananas I get so frustrated and ask Miyamoto Grant Kirkhope do you really expect me to come all the way back here with HE. I spend the whole game just backtracking and I even forgot my name at one point

>>7230358
niggerdicks69420 said he would not mind if he had been recieving his job poorly in his own home and play the original games and put them together in the same time and again youre comparing him with his gd and his older sister and i dont have to do with it but it is not the only reason he was just trying too much time to play with my dad

>>7228239
>trash that is banjo-tooie
DK definitely didn't have the more competent dev team. The only point that you could possibly make against the former is that it has a worst soundtrack.

>>7228261
The game was panned then and its panned now.
The only reason you and people like OP think otherwise is you were too young.

I don't like collect-a-thons like DK64 where you're finding a new trinket every 3 steps. Really cheapens the whole point of discovering a world's secrets and treasures if you're constantly stumbling into stuff.

If we're being honest, Super Mario Odyssey follows the exact same design philosophy and people loved it, so perhaps it would have been better received nowadays.

>>7228239
Kazooie>Conker>Tooie>DK64
this is irrefutable and you know it.

>>7228239
Who are you quoting?

>>7231959
based on what?

>>7228239
I had as a kid and wasn't able to finish it because of the Donkey Kong arcade game. 20 something years later and I ordered a copy of it out of the bloom a few months ago. It took me about a week, but I did get 101% on it.

Personally, I enjoyed it a lot more than I would have expected because all I ever hear about the game these days is how tedious it is. It turned out to be a ton of fun for me overall. Rare naturally knows how to make charming characters and environments so I was always happy to play it. Gameplay-wise I enjoyed exploring the levels and being able to break them down into sub areas to tackle with all of your Kongs. In practice it doesn't at all feel like "play the same level 5 times" like people make it out to be. The game does a good job of leading you on which Kongs to bring to a section.

Only real gripes with the game are Beaver Bother and that other minigame where you have to dodge the explosive barrels on the small minecart track.

I liked BT and DK64 as a kid and still like BT and DK64.

DK64 is a very flawed game, but you're right OP. Despite its flaws it's still very fun.

>>7228239
I love this game.

>>7228239
The bonus barrel minigames are absolutely terrible and ruin what is otherwise a good game. I despise them so much I refuse to replay the game at all ever again. Though I don't get why people consider this a top-tier game, it had major flaws even on release. Nothing major (outside the minigames), but just cruft from being an early 3d platformer.

>>7228239
The problem is that people doesn't really know what are its problems exactly, because figuring out like you did would imply at very least attempt to complete the game.

>>7230475
To be fair Conker isn't all that similar to the other three.

>>7228239
The only thing that I didn't get the first time I played were the 500 bananas on every world, fortunately if you had enough for the medals and the boss rooms it didn't count towards the 101%.

>>7228239
The tag anywhere hack makes it more enjoyable.

>>7233004
I'm a brainlet, how do I set it up?

I had fun with it.
It's a bit repetitive and clunky with a bunch of backtracking but for what it is I enjoyed it as a kid and now.

>>7233316
Just run it with your emulator of choice, it should also work on real hardware.
https://mega.nz/file/5MVWTR6T#Iss8Y9CYBTc_YCapPwQdhXrLDp5Bu3B7pJ0NXbsNDOw

Not exactly the best way to fix the issues of this game, but just having access to all the kongs at any time and killing all the obnoxious, padded out backtracking makes the whole game a hell more convenient. I personally liked it better than Banjo Kazooie thanks to it.

>>7228261
also the reason people think sonic adventure 1 and 2 are bad yet no one wants to talk about that. they arent masterpieces to be sure but they are nowhere near as bad as these tuberfags say they are. Game grumps playthrough of sonic adventure is still so painful to watch.

>>7228831
>oh look at me I hate popular thing from the past im so quirky

>>7229303
only problem I ever had with DK64 was that DAMN beaver minigame.

what the fuck is wrong with you autists? i've beaten dk64 and it's okay but it's sluggish as fuck and controls like molasses. and the oversized worlds and backtracking are legitimate complaints, don't try this revisionist nonsense

>>7236808
Did you read the replies?

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>>7233779

You have 14 people that agree with you.

>>7234487
I gotta agree with you there. I 101%ed the game and that was one of the most annoying sections.

>>7238534
it has been the traditional consensus, yes. just saying there's a emerging revisionist take on this game that is pretty silly if you actually play it today. rare was on fire at the time and the character design particularly of the enemies in dk64 is very charming but there's a lot wrong with the game

>>7239349
One person in this thread >>7230461 went as far to say that "it was panned then and it's panned now."

This is simply not true. The game was critically lauded and the consumer reception was also predominantly positive. Now, I'm not saying that at the time you still didn't have plenty of people realize the game's flaws and point it out.

I think the "back then people were just blown away by the 3D graphics and exploring these environments and weren't so keen about nit-picking the gameplay, they were happy about the collecta-thon aspects because it gave them more to do and increased the game's mileage." statement I've sometimes seen here is revisionism on these grounds, because again, people have always recognized its flaws including when the game was brand new.

I just disagree with the notion that suddenly there's recently been a shit where people are glossing over the game's flaws and pretending that at the time no one had any inclination to criticize the game at all. There's definitely been a new wave of people calling the collecta-thon nature of the game a fundamental flaw in retrospective analysis, though. Though I would agree that these criticisms existed at the time, I also think it's a particularly notable aspect of retrospective discussion on the game that's more telling to people's inclinations to looking at it presently in a certain light, than necessarily how much consistent opinions you'd see likewise about it at the time it first came out.

>>7228239
Did you finish the game as an adult? Speaking as someone who likes DK64 even now, it's a great core game bogged down by too much fluff. It's the only game I've ever played where I can say without sarcasm that it has TOO MUCH content, because most of that extra content isn't meaningful and pads out the game time by magnitudes. It's like eating too much dessert; dessert is great but eventually all the sugar is going to taste like bile in your mouth. I positively adored it as a kid, and I still think it's overall good as an adult and never felt fatigue from the game, but I would never attempt 100% completion as an adult.

>>7228239
i didn't remember how much BK assets were re-used. watching clips now half the sound effects are BK sounds and the beach/pirate cove level seems to be almost fully reused lol

The people above saying contemporary reviews of DK64 were all glowing are correct. It was univerally praised. 90% scores all across the board, and good sales figures despite being £59.99 (because it had to be boxed with the Expansion Pak to work).
The "collectathon" thing all came later, in the age of the Retrospective Youtube Video.
I am telling you right now, and you can timestamp this : : In a few years from now, DK64 will be getting retrospective praise from the very same people who currently shit on it. These things come and go.
For that is the way of the hipster.

>>7240185
i don't remember super-hot reivews but I feel that if there were, then I was already unconsciously, wordlessly aware that the 90% reviews were 'because rare made it' and the reviewers didn't know how else to review a rare game. Unlike previous games for which reviews hyped me, I never felt compelled to get DK64

>>7228239
basado

>>7240210
Or maybe you just weren't alive/conscious back then to remember all the universal praise it got.

>>7236808
You’re the revisionist

>>7228239
I loved this game as a kid, but I could never finish it. That damn arcade game filtered me every single time.

>>7240243
why do you need to accuse me of larping when i'm not even claiming anything that should upset you, frothing faggot.
there's no need to debate about the reviews we can check, you're right they are like 95% across the board
http://www.nintendo64ever.com/Tests-Nintendo-64-Game,85,Donkey-Kong-64,1.html
all i'm saying is, for me personally (and probably, in my friend group) there wasn't hype. maybe because we didn't believe the reviews, maybe because we just were spoiled and thought 90% was like 'average' for a rare game. there's also the not insignificant factor of the dissonance between the review's words and the obvious ugly emptiness of the screen shots. this could have seeded doubt

WITH HIS JETPACK ON HE CAN FLY REAL HIGH
THIS KONG IS ONE HELL OF A GUY!

>>7240419
(like look at these screens from a 97% review lol. The words may say there's amazing fun to be found but you can see there's definitely not in any of these shots)

>>7240419
well you did say you didn't remember all the praise it got, just correcting you.
Personal anecdotes are fine, but your personal experience doesn't represent shit.

>>7228239
It's not BAD, but it's not a great game either. Collectables seem kinda just randomly scattered about the place, especially bananas and coins, meaning constant, neverending backtracking is just a nessessity. Levels get way too large and because they're all just a collection of rooms for some reason they're hell to navigate and to keep track of where you've been and what you've done.
Banjo-tooie, for reference, has orders of magnitude less backtracking and better level design.

Also I hate the beetle races fuck that beetle

>>7240441
okay anon.

>>7240446
what are you raging about? are you dehydrated?

>>7240472
>raging
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>>7240446
You're taking his words out of context. You're referring to this reply >>7240210 where he clearly says that while he doesn't remember particularly laudatory reviews, he remembers thinking that the high-rating reviews he did see said more about the reviewers inclination to rate anything high that was made by Rare than a sincere desire to evaluate the quality of the game itself on its own terms.

Very different from saying he doesn't remember the game ever getting praise.

DK games used to be challenging.
3D platformers suck in general and this one is a good example.
Bland collect the things to get the things, dumb generic ''video game'' logic.

Ready player one tier pseudo nostalgic zoomers can suck my farts.

>>7228239
its a good game anon, people are coping about it