/vr/ - Retro Games

All real gamers use a spreadsheet nowadays anon, get with the program

I'd love if anons shared their notes, specially if they are tidy.

>>6719436
Digital notes are soulless.
>>6719438
Why? You should be writing your own.

What the fuck for? What is this OCD shit? I don’t understand.

>>6719434
I've never been able to figure out how to do a map for a game. The fact that I can never figure out how big it's supposed to be is why.

>>6719576
It not OCD shit, some games honestly expect you to remember a literal maze (image related) layout or a puzzle you saw 20 puzzles ago along with 5 randomly place symbols across the world which is something Myst often did. Let me put it this way, Some of the older GameFAQS notes and guides were made for the creator of it, not for others. They were just kind enough to upload it.

It is understandable if you choose to be a brainlet as games are meant to be fun. So you do you anon but don't assume everyone else have to lower their intelligence for your sake.

Never had to. With my high spatial ability i can keep a mental map in my head. i even beat metroid 2 for the first time with no map.

>>6719603
You’re mistaken, friend. I was just shocked that people actually had to write it down and were that mentally incapacitated. Bummer.

>>6719608
>i even beat a baby portable console game without drawing a map
are we supposed to be impressed?
>>6719613
you clearly never played a game that's not designed for mental retards.

>>6719471
>Why? You should be writing your own.
I just wanna look at them

>>6719616
I never really took clean notes, mostly just wrote down some hints in the margins of my password notebook like here

>>6719438
Did people really use those notes sections in game manuals? I never had a reason to do that

>>6719594
Well you can see in the OP image that one of the maps was drawn too high up. You can get larger grid paper, do the same as in this image and just draw different parts of the same floor in different places, or draw a draft and a final copy elsewhere. It is a bit more annoying to navigate a map when it's broken up like that but I was lazy.

And to think I used to think automaps were cool as a kid

>>6719615
> Everything made by nintendo is for babies. > back to /v/

>>6719632
shut the fuck up and lurk moar you dumbass child

>>6719434
Nah. I can't into maps. It's better to stop and ask for directions.

I have the Prima strategy guide so I don't need that

>>6719713
here you go

No, I’m not autistic or poor so I just bought the guide if I wanted a map

What's the best program to do that?
Both one that allows to mark it yourself, and one that hooks up to the games

I do but i've only used it for Zelda games so far. 1st and second quest in Zelda 1, the Outlands romhack, Forest Temple runes in Jiggies of Time I was going to do it for the Dragon Quest games too but I went so long without needing any kind of notes or maps that by the time I got to a point where map making would have helped I figured why bother since i'm already so far?

My problem with using irl grid paper is that if the map extends beyond the size of the paper it gets messy.

>>6719434
How do you get it to nice and tidy?
Especially when drawing maps?

>>6719971
This.
I tried pic related and at the end i just downloaded the maps, great game though, if i had the game back in the day i would definitely made my own maps, like i did with the original Zelda dungeons.

>>6719621
I wrote cheats down there.

>>6719434
I used to have a notebook which was nothing but fanmade pac-man mazes

Drawing maps is retarded and it always breaks the immersion.

>Why yes, I do use Grid Cartographer, how could you tell?

I drew maps for the faux-3D mazes of Getsu Fuma Den but I lost them

>>6720576
>doing exactly what the game expects you to do breaks the immersion

>>6720592
>Grid Cartographe
>$20 for a basic mapping program

Just use your brain and remember. You guys must have no sense of direction.

>>6719434
I've never done that before but I should do something like that for NES Metroid

no but i have a computer with an active internet connection

Y’all are probably incapable of driving a car without GPS. Such a shame.

>>6719971
this. If you don;t have enough spacial awareness to keep basic maps in your head you probably don't have the ability to deal with maps that span multiple pages.

>>6719734
>>6719790
>>6720769
This is like bragging that you're too brainlet to solve puzzles in video games so you use guides.

>>6719971
Having to break up a map is a minor problem compared to soulless digital mapping applications. If you don't want to redraw maps and find navigation annoying you can always draw on one side of each page and cut+paste different parts together.

>>6720204
grid paper, pencil, eraser, and drawing a few tiles at a time?
this game also has a spell to see your immediate surroundings (except on dark tiles) and alerts you if you step on a tile that changes your orientation, so it's hard to make mistakes if you're careful

>>6720758
>>6720862
Clearly you have never played a game with an actual maze. How about you try a real dungeon crawler without babby automapping and see how long you last before throwing your keyboard/controller and crying that it's too hard and unfair, and impossible to navigate?

>>6721048
>this game
What game?

>>6721048
the native indians called corn "maize" before the white man took their language away

>no in-game map
bad design
>designing literal labyrinths that players have to map themselves to stand a chance of navigating
bad design
>game world isn't distinctive enough that players can naturally become familiar with it through normal play
bad design

>>6721069
so you can say corn mazes are actually maize mazes

>>6719434
None of my notes from the 80s and 90s survived

>>6721062
digital devil story
>>6721069
anglos*
>>6721152
but the worst of all designs is you

>>6719471
What if they are written with a stylus?
I use my E Ink note taking device with a custom template. It's like writing on paper except I can correct things more easily and need to handle less documents at once.

>>6721443
looks like absolute shit

>>6721461
The template or the maps?

>>6720602
Yes. Devs are retards.

>>6721597
Tell me about the game you've made.

>>6721602
ever hear of a little game called Pong?

>>6719749
Damn, you got that 75 year-old! Fugly!

>>6721603
Bullshit. Post ludography or go eat shit.

I don't draw maps but I write notes as I'm progressing, almost like I'm writing my own walkthrough based on my path through the game. Anytime I try to draw I end up running out of paper space and making some things way too small to see or whatever. Writing notes is much less effort to keep it clean and organized.

>>6719434
Maps were so fucking cool when they came with the game. Especially if the game had a level editor. That shit made me go full turbo autist and draw the map for the world then try to recreate it as a mod. Too bad all those old levels I made are lost to time. Still probably have the maps though. I remember putting a bunch of brown markers in water then putting the paper in to dye it and having it dry in a way that gave it that weathered look. Good lord if I was even half as autistic today as I was back then I'd be unstoppable.

>>6722032
Is that an 8 year olds room?

>>6719434
that's for brainlets, never needed one

>>6722052
That's because you're the brainlet and play brainlet games

>>6722032
I had the same Ultima maps on my wall 30+ years ago

Yes, but I use it to figure out what pieces I need to print to make replicas of DnD dungeons

>>6719471
>>6721048
>soulless
using such a faggot buzzword. kill yourself. I bet you love it in the butt

>>6721152
How tf is being fun "bad design"?

>>6719434
Can I get a recommendation on a fun Babby's First Blobber?

>>6722109
How tf is a badly designed game "fun"?

>>6721152
players mapping in games was popularized during the days of text adventures like zork and shit. sometimes you're meant to be thrust in a strange place where you have to find your own bearings on your own and that's part of the experience. ever had a modern game drop you in a dungeon and say something like "it looks like a maze down here"? that doesn't mean time for google, that's telling us boomer fags it's time to grab the pencil and paper.

>>6722224

How do you design a game with expansive labyrinths that require you to draw your own maps, while utilizing "good game design", which you seem to be implying has never been done before.

>>6722109
every thread on this subject gets shitposted by people who have never played a hard dungeon crawler and don't want to try

>>6722221
Wizardry 1. That is it.

>>6719434
lol no I'm not retarded, game maps are pretty simple to remember. If a 7 year old game play it, you can remember it.

>>6722364
>lol no I'm not retarded, I'm EXTREMELY retarded
OK zoomer

>>6722343
Don't dump people into that archaic shit.

>>6722221
Go with Wizardy 4, by that time they'd managed to smooth out some of the rough edges of the series, but it's still on basically the original engine.

>>6722369
How does it feel to be part of a generation that can't even remember simple 2D maps?

>>6722375
How does it feel to be a literal baby who never grew past Pokeshit-tier children's games?

>>6722404
lol dude I beat Wizardy 4 first try no guide no map

No but this post inspired me to start physically drawing maps of my favorite games.
Starting Castlevania 1 tonight. Probably gonna do every stage from Mega Man 1 as well. Tomorrow will be MM2, 3, etc.

>>6722715
post results

>>6722715
>drawing maps of linear games
are you retarded? seriously. wtf is your iq? 50?

>>6722751
>dude wants to draw some art because 2d maps look fun.
>no fun allowed

>>6722782
yeah there's a difference between playing a game and being an autistic little faggolt

>>6722751

He's not drawing them to help himself, retard. He's drawing them because cartography is fucking cool

>>6722787
>he
shut the fuck up autist

>>6722784

You're one of those dumb cunts with zero artistic skills, so you try to ruin the spark in others out of fucking self loathing.

You're a genuine fucking scumbag.

>>6722793
>>6722787
>>6722782
>>6722715
samefag

>>6722032
Pretty impressive

>>6722794

Nice try, newfag. Tagging posts made by the same person through the duration of a conversation isn't samefagging. Its using the boards functionality as intended.


Christ, I miss old /vr/ so fucking much

>>6722872
if even you realize you come off as such a stupid ass retard that you refer to yourself as "he"...

why don't you just shut the fuck up?

>>6719434
Did as a kid but my parents threw it away for some reason

>>6722875
>you refer to yourself as "he"...

What

>>6721048
>When you seethe, tip your fedora, and disagree with everyone in the thread you might be a zoomie

Am back, see I caused a ruckus.
I finished Castlevania 1, and every MM1 Robot Master stage. I'm eating dinner now, but will scan and post in a bit.
I had to redraw the Castlevania one because the first one was way too messy and I wasn't happy with it

>>6722372
Wiz4 is way too good for a first dungeon crawler. It will make him sad that no other game can be as good as that.

i had a lot of notes, i remember discovering how to crack/made my own passwords in road rage 3 and having all the details in paper

>>6719603
Fun game. I still have the map I made for it.

>>6722221
Might and Magic 1

>>6722715
Goddamn Mega Man 2 has such fucking boring level design. They're literally all the same