/vr/ - Retro Games

Not really, they're too high-resolution for 240p games. Most arcade monitors are closer to consumer-grade TVs with RGB inputs.

>>6489825
fuck
thanks for the reply anyways

you could use a scanline generator in 480p, creates a decent representation of a 240p pvm-like image

>>6489795
no

>>6489921
That looks horrible, nothing at all like a PVM.

What they're saying is that the dot pitch is too fine, but you can find older VGA monitors with coarser dot pitch. Wells-Gardner arcade monitors had pretty fine shadow masks but it's true they're not as fine as those on PC monitors.

Arcade monitors never looked like PVMs, I never saw an aperture grille arcade monitor in my life but if you want that look, you can find Trinitron (and Diamondtron) VGA monitors if you look hard enough.

>>6489795
I'd say no, but it beats an LCD screen, so I suppose the actual answer is yes?

>>6489825
>Not really, they're too high-resolution for 240p games

horseshit, vga mode 13h was 200p and there were undocumented modes for literally 240 p exactly.

>>6490436
>the dot pitch is too fine

kinda sounds like one of those "things only weenies care about" issues desu. you could argue that a VGA monitor isn't suitable for some kinds of retro machines because it won't accurately reproduce NTSC color artifacting, but I don't think there are many arcade machines that that's really relevant to.

>>6491957
>horseshit, vga mode 13h was 200p and there were undocumented modes for literally 240 p exactly.
Yeah, and those modes were line-doubled to 400p/480p because they'd have looked like shit otherwise, as that picture demonstrates.

Here's what 240p looks like line-doubled on a VGA monitor. Like it or hate it, you have to admit it doesn't look like a real arcade monitor.

>>6491983
Forgot pic.

>>6491957
>I don't think there are many arcade machines that that's really relevant to.
Arcade monitors are all RGB - except maybe laser disc games since laserdiscs are encoded in composite

beats an lcd but not as good as a consumer crt tv would look

>>6489795
Yes.
Easy to use.
Easy to configure.
Easy to rotate.
Native 480p and up video.

>>6489825
Hot take: all the most interesting games you'd want to play in 2020 are not in 240p. If you're just getting into /vr/ then yes 240p is the best choice, but if you've already been emulating for a decade (or in many cases two or more decades) then you've probably played what you wanted to at that resolution, and neglected the late 90s and early 2000s games.

I'm ready to play Gradius V and R-Type Final on a home cab.

Semi related, how the fuck do i connect my pc to an arcade monitor?
I know about arcadevga/crt emudriver but i'm talking about cables and that stuff

>>6492386
Red wire goes to red wire

>>6492412
anon please im too retarded

i dont have the money or skills to make a custom cab but i still want an arcade experience, could i just like put an arcade stick on a high up table then put a tv on another table behind it then put a computer under the table
Also most of the games I wanna play are vertical so should I turn the CRT on its side, how does that scale for non-vertical games and also does the scanlines going vertically look weird

>>6491983
>>6489937
seething PVMemecuck
240p line doubled to 480p with scanlines through an OSSC looks amazing
sorry you're dumb and dropped money on a meme

>>6493465
I don't even have a PVM. I just know what one looks like, and >>6489921 ain't it.

If you don't want to spend money on a meme, skip the OSSC and just get a nice free consumer TV and mod it for RGB input. There you go, instant arcade monitor. Cost: less than $10.

>>6493564
>15khz consumershit instead of glorious 31khz that has multiple uses
yeah nah

>>6493578
Multi-sync monitors are a meme. Use a 15 kHz monitor for 15 kHz sources, and a 31 kHz monitor for 31 kHz sources.

>>6493645
Good multi-sync monitors were the gold-standard in the 90s.

>>6489937
I've owned a PVM and a vga monitor and they're really not that different. PVMs are a meme

>>6493789
VGA monitors can look similar to high-end PVMs, but that picture with the fucked up fake scanlines sure doesn't.

It's going to look way too sharp even at 480p but it'll still be way better than any flat screen that most people throw into their mame cabs these days. The main benefit would be reduced input lag.

>>649195
Vertical pixels are doubled to 320*400. Just check the scanline thickness between a DOS game and a custom something*200 modeline.

yes

>>6495842
where are the scanlines

>>6492386
What does your monitor have as input? I take it you're using analog VGA out? Emudriver will let you set up CSYNC or HVSYNC, sort out polarity etc if you have separate sync.
If you're using Composite or Component you need an external device to sort out the sync. RGB is really easy, and S-Video is even easier if your GPU supports it.

im thinken
i really don';t have to go retarded with all the buttons on an arcade stick as i originally wanted to for my autism about being able to play all the games
i can just plug in a few controllers to the pc to bring out whenever the rare possibly never occasion happens where 4 player sunset riders occurs
and for warlords well 2 players are just gonna have to be digital control cucks

yes just use shaders

>>6498116
but anon
what if 5 naked fembots are begging to play 6 player xmen with you

>>6500017
That depends. If the fembots are naked does that mean they have no skin and shit? So basically like fucking an erector set or the skinless terminator shit. I guess if that's what floats your boat then that's cool or whatever but sounds pretty freaky to me.

it's kinda weird to me that people neglect the dial on mame arcades, there's at least as many if not more good dial games than trackball games, plus it's decent for racing games like pole position and such
and I know the trackball is also an analog control, but ever tried playing tempest with a trackball? shit sux

>>6492386
you can buy arcade video adapter boards for older output methods to VGA.

more importantly, its a full hd 32'' tv good for a custom made arcade?

>>6501137
He's asking about the opposite though

What's the minimum specs you need to be able to run more intensive games on modern MAME, stuff like Sexy Parodius, Radiant Silvergun, Muchi Muchi Pork, Metal Slug 5, anything 3D beyond I Robot

>>6500749
>doesn't know the difference between a dial an a spinner
yikes

>>6501728
i assume that a dial has notches and a spinner spins freely
but fine whatever why don't people have a spinner in their cabs

>>6489795
Absolutely disgusting.

>>6501760
>even more wrong
Double yikes
A spinner is a digital device that ironically uses the exact same sensor mechanism as a mechanical trackball. The reason one works well for tempest while the other doesn't has nothing to do with analog/digital or the sensor but rather the physical bit you interact with.
I wouldn't dream of making a multi purpose cab without the ability to use a spinner. But there weren't a lot of mario/zelda games that used a spinner so most faggots don't bother.

>>6492386
I've done a lot of RGB CRT PC setups, but never with an arcade monitor. What kind of cabling do they use to connect to the boards?

>>6489894
They don't know what they're talking about. VGA PC monitors are exactly what you want to use.

>>6491985
>it's impossible to use a filter to make it look more like a consumer TV set which is almost exactly like a classixc arcade monitor

Look, the real monitors are all dying slowly and most will never be remade, either use VGA, or deal with the LCD/LED/;etc nonsense that gives less color depth, less contrast, brightness and black levels.

>>6503952
>>6492386

>>6504707
CRT VGA monitors are dying just as quickly and will also never be remade. Consumer CRT TVs will be around for quite a while yet, and many can be easily modded for RGB. That's pretty damn close to a real arcade monitor. No need to mess around with VGA monitors which never look right even with emulator filters.

>>6504727
>CRT VGA monitors are dying just as quickly and will also never be remade
True, but there's of them right now and more in better shape than actual arcade monitors.
>>6504727
>. Consumer CRT TVs will be around for quite a while yet, and many can be easily modded for RGB. That's pretty damn close to a real arcade monitor
Yeah but that's a LOT of work for not much result.

>>6504771
* but there's more of them right now

>>6504727
>No need to mess around with VGA monitors which never look right even with emulator filters.
I can't imagine failing at that. I mean, how? There' more than enough settings to tweak things and then with the *right* filter it'll look darn close to the original.

>>6504771
>Yeah but that's a LOT of work
An hour of work is a lot? You probably spent more time tweaking your shitty emulator filters.
>for not much result.
The result is an arcade-authentic experience on a potentially much larger and brighter tube than what VGA monitors have.

>>6489795
>awww man a low-res potato camera pic with reflections and glare making the game look like ass so it must be bad
The Thread.

>>6504805
>An hour of work is a lot?
You're a faster worker than I, but I like to take my time. It'd take me twice as long, but I'm more sure of my work.
>You probably spent more time tweaking your shitty emulator filters.
I think I've spent a grand total of a half hour on PC emu filters for my entire life, and I've spent about 5 minute making sure my Wii's NES emulator just spits out the raw game, nothing added-because it's hooked up to a CRT, via RF no less because I like authenticity. Yes, I have other sets with RGB, RCA;etc.
>The result is an arcade-authentic experience on a potentially much larger and brighter tube than what VGA monitors have.
I'd love to have a contest over this.

>>6504823
>You're a faster worker than I, but I like to take my time. It'd take me twice as long, but I'm more sure of my work.
It's three resistors (six if you're muxing in an OSD as well), three capacitors if the TV doesn't already have them, some cabling, and a few minutes to drill some holes for RCA jacks or a SCART socket or whatever you want to use. Even an hour is a pretty generous estimate. I'm not sure why you're acting like this is some monumental job, but if you're lazy you can always just buy an RGB-to-component converter and use one of the many high-quality consumer CRTs with component inputs. Besides, you realize this thread is about custom arcade cabinets, right? If you're already going to all that trouble, surely you don't mind spending a bit of extra time to have a proper display for it.
>I'd love to have a contest over this.
Post your >25" CRT PC monitor.

>>6504823
You can easily pick up ~30" or larger consumer CRTs with component inputs that you can Shinybow transcode to from out of a PC with the increasingly simple and compatible crt-emudriver or maybe even retroarch(?). You'll be putting around $100 into that setup and you'd have to WANT a 30"+ crt in your arcade cabinet which to me is far more inauthentic than a slightly wrong dot pitch.

>>6504921
>Post your >25" CRT PC monitor.

>>6504929
You're more than a bit retarded, aren't you?

>>6504936
That's another anon trolling you, I'm the original anon. And I'm not posting anything 'cause lazy.

>>6504921
>>I'd love to have a contest over this.
>Post your >25" CRT PC monitor.
I meant a proper contest. I bet I could make a VGA PC monitor look exactly like an arcade monitor. No one would be able to tell the difference in person with the right settings and filter. If it were put into an arcade cab, no one would know unless you asked them.

>>6489825
>scanlines

>>6496860
Scanlines are an undesirable artifact. On muh meme PVMs they are visible because you are using them at half the resolution they were intended to be used at. Same thing with shitty TVs.

>>6505767
>Scanlines are an undesirable artifact
gtfo. Criminy.

>>6505851
It's true though. Unless you had a fuckhuge TV or a trinitron meme you wouldn't have black lines going through the image

>>6505865
Is 32" sufficient?

>>6505865
Come to think of it, anon, I don't see scanlines on my smallest CRT. Huh..thought it had some. Ok whatever.
Not really sure how some of you anons manage to fuck up something so simple

>>6489795
The only actual answer is, how much input lag will it cause, bearing in mind cable type
If it's above the 5-8ms range, hardcore players will find old games unplayable

>>6489795
Quite a few people use CRTs for their emulation setups. Use this guide if you want to run games in 240p in Retroarch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/675wk4/guide_how_to_run_retroarch_at_240p_on_your_vga/

I'm in the middle of getting my VGA monitor to output in 240p. I want to set up a dual monitor display so that my LCD handles the frontend and desktop while my CRT displays games. I've seen a few setups on this board over the years where it was done.

>>6504823
How do you output Wii over RF? Just an a/v to rf converter? Or do you use a VCR?

>>6489795
Yes, as long as you use BFI or trick it with a super resolution.

>>6489825
>Most arcade monitors are closer to consumer-grade TVs with RGB inputs.
You wish, poorfag.

>>6491985
>Looks ten thousand times worse than an emulator
YIKES, poorfags are cringe as fuck

>>6492234
Consumers CRTs are shit-tier so you're wrong.

>>6506207
>dual monitor setup
You’ve just given me an idea, that sounds badass.

>>6506331
>yikes
>cringe
Are you even self-aware, disgusting Redd!t faggot?

>>6506306
>Just an a/v to rf converter?
Yeah, I use an RF modulator to take the RCAs from the Wii to the TV's screws via coax then onto an ohm transformer and finally into those screws into the TV. Is the ghosting bad? No. It isn't bad, but it's very noticeable on some games in certain parts, but personally I love it. For one, it's truly authentic for my old experience, and the ghosting sort of screensaves a bit too for me, and I also like the general look of it.

>>6507824
>an ohm transformer

>>6506332
I've used viewing monitors professionally for decades and there really isn't as much of a difference as you'd assume, unless the consumer CRT is in awful condition or from a shit manufacturer. We have never worried about this in actual television broadcast.

>>6489795
Does anyone know how to take the front panel off (like in ops pic) the older hanho arcadepcs ? Pic related

>>6507964
You don't even know what it is.

>>6508548
It's something you bulled out of your ass, so probably semen. Literally just a term you made up because you don't know the right one.. Let me guess. Now you're seething because someone pointed out you used a word wrong and are going to cry and copepost. Pottery.

>>6508586
t. fucking idiot, now back to your Xbone.
Is this what /vr/ is becoming? A place where even an ohm transformer is obscure? :\

>>6508674
Yes. /vr/ is part of the real world where terms you make up are obsure outside your head.

>>6508703
1/10
An ohm transformer is a matching transformer, the former is even printed on the latter.

>>6508586
>It's something you bulled out of your ass, so probably semen
wow, destroyed

>>6508727
Pic of "An ohm transformer" printed on the latter or GTFO

>>6509132
Mods don't delete pure troll posts anymore, eh^?
You were born in 1995, zoomy.

>>6489825
Unironically gorgeous.

>>6509927
They do. Pointing out wrong information is the opposite of shitposting. Your copeposts might be considered shitposting and worthy or deletion. But I think the mods see their value in serving as a warning to other aspies to watch their step lest they end up making a complete fool of themselves like you have.
Still waiting for that pic of "An ohm transformer". Having trouble finding one on google? That's because no one except you has ever called it that. Stay mad and keep projecting kiddo.

>>6509132

>>6509132
???

reading this thread and watching the number of people I've had sex with plummet to zero in real time

>>6509132
:big thonk:

>>6509132
Wat

>>6509132
Huh

Child doesnt even know about my ladder wire.

>>6509953
>troll posts are ok
>your correct information will be deleted
dude, go fuck your mother, again.

>>6509954
>>6509956
>>6509961
>>6509965
>>6509980
>>6510045
All that googeling and you couldn't find a single pic to back up your bullshit. And yet you copepost them anyway. The power of autism compels you.
Let me break it down for you kiddo. Calling a "75-300 ohm matching transformer" "an ohm transformer" is like saying your dad drives a "wheel" because he drives an "18 wheeler". Now most dumb kids who said that would stop using the wrong term the first time someone pointed it out. But not you. Your "that kid". The little aspie who makes a mistake and just can't admit ever being wrong. You go through the stages of aspie grief culminating in an epic string of embarrassing shitposts desperately trying to convince yourself. But deep down the first stage is eating away at you inside. That point where you realized you were wrong, and will now have to devote the next few days of your life in a sad desperate attempt yo disprove reality.

>>6510973
>Pretending he knew what a balun was before june of 2020

>>6510973
>gets BTFO'd to the nth degree
then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGxWGduCCQ

>>6510997
>>6511217

>>6489795
Yeah. Have it output in 240p. If your monitor can't handle it then 2560x480 and add a scanline shader. This is my crt running retroarch in 240p.

>>6511670
That looks terrible. Why would someone even post that and admit it's theirs? This is a false flag from an lcdfag, right?

>>6511683
It looks fine you stupid cunt

>>6511670
>This is my crt running retroarch in 240p.
Retroarch is garbage. That looks like shit and is not representative of how CRT's display classic games at all. What you've done is create a looks that replicates a classic game playing on an LCD. Good job.

>>6511670
>>This is my crt running retroarch in 240p.
>Retroarch is garbage. That looks like shit and is not representative of how CRT's display classic games at all. What you've done is create a look that replicates a classic game playing on an LCD. Good job.

>>6511670
>>This is my crt running retroarch in 240p.
Retroarch is garbage. That looks like shit and is not representative of how CRT's display classic games at all. What you've done is create a look that replicates a classic game playing on an LCD. Good job.
I wonder who the youtuber is that is spreading your false notion of classic games and how they're supposed to be displayed.

>>6511683
>>6512486
autism

>>6512486
Hot opinion piece. I’m sorry you feel the need to force your tastes on others, but not everyone likes the hazy image consumer sets produce.
>That replicates a classic game playing on an LCD
You mean LCDs have VGA monitors motion clarity, black levels and contrast? Weird, man. I could’ve sworn they weren’t there yet.

>>6511750
>i'm a stupid cunt who's never used a crt

>>6512510
>assmadism
Sorry your mom won't let you have a big old TV in your room

>>6512717
Best post.

>assmadism
lol some of you are great at humor.

>>6512717
>i’m an immature cunt who can’t handle people having different preferences
FTFY
>unironically using the term assmadism
>ur mum lel
You’re underage or Brazilian.

>>6512731
I've counted and no less than 7 anons have torn out your asshole, so what are you getting from this? You clearly have no idea what classic gaming is, so please go back to /v/.

>>6512741
My first post ITT is >>6512585, so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Anyway, screeching autistically about your preferences isn’t “tearing somebody’s asshole”. I mean, I’m sure your confirmation bias leads you to believe all posts that agree with you are grander than it actually are. But all I’m seeing are a couple of ankle biters.
>You clearly have no idea what classic gaming is
You’re basing this off what?
>please go back to /v/
I accept your concession, Carlos.

>>6512741 #
My first post ITT is >>6512585 (You) #, so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Anyway, screeching autistically about your preferences isn’t “tearing somebody’s asshole”. I mean, I’m sure your confirmation bias leads you to believe all posts that agree with you are grander than they actually are. But all I’m seeing are a couple of ankle biters.
>You clearly have no idea what classic gaming is
You’re basing this off what?
>please go back to /v/
I accept your concession, Carlos.

>>6512486
But that’s a CRT...displaying a retro game. Just because the CRT you had as a child was blurry as shit doesn’t mean that’s the ideal image.

>>6512768
>But that’s a CRT...displaying a retro game
I refuse to believe that. If you're telling the truth, you're doing it wrong, but if that makes you happy, go you.
>>6512760
>confirmation bias
Know-nothing college sophomore confirmed.
I'm going to let you in on something: "confirmation bias" is a phrase and idea used to remove any belief or practice of common sense.
The cops use it. The courts use is. Employers use it, but your commie professor promise you that 2+2=167.

>>6512731
>i'm triggered because you laughed at my cringe
Sweet
>unironically getting assmad because of assmadism
kek
>I'm 18 and a half and from a 3rd world country that's not Brazil
Obviously

>>6512803
I like how you went on a tangent about one phrase I used and completely ducked the rest of my post.

>>6512820
Put some effort into it. Even your single-digit IQ can come up with a better clapback than that.

>>6512830
>I like how you went on a tangent about one phrase I used and completely ducked the rest of my post.
lol
>Noooo you just can't point out what a moron i am!
Now be done, this has ceased to be funny.

>>6512840
You didn’t point out anything lol. You made a cute little strawman and ran with it like you were actually saying something meaningful.

So many anons sperging out ITT... OP the answer is yes but if you want it to look "authentic" which is what people are sperging out about, you'll need some sort of converter depending on the type of signals the VGA monitor supports. If you're like me and don't care that much just run the games in 480p they will still look great if a bit too sharp.

>>6512857
>but too sharp
I pity those whose vagina eyes can’t handle big beautiful sharp pixels.

>>6512717
>Never owned a CRT
You are so fucking stupid and have no idea what you're talking about. That's what 320x240 looks like on a CRT monitor you mongoloid.

>>6512871
But it’s not hazy shit like my Sanyo consumer set. So it’s trash.

>>6512871
>That's what 320x240 looks like on a CRT monitor
Not them and no it doesn't.

>>6512848
>strawman
That's just something people say to anything they disagree with. It has zero meaning. Now please, back to /pol/.

>>6512803
>/pol/cel trying to make a post he disagrees with appear left leaning so people will agree with him

>>6512881
^literally schizophrenia

>>6512880
>that’s just something people say to anything they disagree with
No, that’s what people say to someone who attacks a fabrication and claims they’ve won.

>>6512879
I’m sorry you’ve never used a good CRT before.

>>6512886
>the /pol/cel, caught red handed, begins to backpeddle on his tricycle

>>6512889
You're a child. Leave.
>I’m sorry you’ve never used a good CRT before.
lol ok kid.

>>6512857
>If you're like me and don't care that much just run the games in 480p they will still look great if a bit too sharp.
Just run a filter then within the emulator.

>>6512898
Sorry Mr. Catholic Priest, but I’m not a child. And you’ve never used a good CRT before. Cope.

>>6512908
>all I think about is politics
>i love clazzig games i swear
Cool story.

>>6512879
Yes it does. Maybe try it out for yourself.

>>6512916
>Literally bawwww: the post
:(

>>6512924
I'll baw in my personal arcade later too.
/seethe
//cope
///dial 8

>>6512930
Have fun m8. Play some OutRun for me.

>>6512930
Obviously your "personal arcade" sucks shit if you actually can't tell what CRTs are supposed to look like.

>>6512935
%100 guaranteed he doesn't play outrun

>>6512830

>>6512871
>i r so fucking stupid and have no idea what i r talking about
git fucked kid

>>6514084
You need to go back

>>6489795
it would be fine. probably better.

>>6489795
I'd like to see a decent picture of pic related. Or video.

>>6514382
>i need to project
I know. It's like a drug for you.

hey fellas, stupid question here
do PAL arcade games run at 50hz like PAL console games do?

>>6517127
Arcade have are RGB not PAL or NTSC. I am not aware of any arcade machines that run at 50hz.

>>6517127
Arcade games are RGB not PAL or NTSC. I am not aware of any arcade machines that run at 50hz.

>>6517204
Some early arcade machines weren't RGB. Pong, and other B&W games. I don't know if any were PAL but I can't imagine there wasn't at least one European Pong knock off cab that was.

>>6517463
Okay but I'm not aware of any. If Anon walked into a European arcade and played VS Super Mario Brothers or Street Fighter 2, they would be at 60hz just like every other regular arcade machine.

Your comment did shake loose a recollection that there was an arcade platform called Arcadia that was built on Amiga so its quite possible some of those games ran in 50hz, although they wouldn't have been PAL. Even European Play choice 10s would have had 60hz games in them.

>>6516901
>n-no u

>>6493564
>referring to the OSSC as a meme

what

>>6517716
Keep shitposting, junkie.