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character ranking:

>1. sorc (teleport most OP move in game, great QOL moves like telekinesis, static field another one of the most broken moves)

>2. paladin (best uber tristram runner, can kill ubers at level 30, only rank 2 because hammers are annoying as fuck to use in dungeons and other tight locations)

>3. barb (best mf'er for those hard to find tc87 uniques, basically half of boss monsters you kill give an extra drop)

>4. amazon (highest single target dmg on big bosses like baal, good aoe dmg too)

>5. necro (corpse explosion one of the most OP moves in game, decrepify turns the hardest fights in game into a joke, only rank 5 because boring as shit to play, you just sit in the back while your skeles do all the hard work

>5. druid (excluding oak sage his summons arent very good, tornado is annoying to use on single targets)

>6. assasin (does anyone even play this character?)

>>6359857
what's your ranking for lvl 18 characters killing duriel tho?

>>6359879
impossible with lvl 18 bowzon

>>6359857
My friend would only play trap assassin.

>>6359857
Why is Assassin below Druid when Trapsins and Kick/Trap hybrids are some of the safest, most versatile and most self-reliant HC characters in the game?
I don't get this ranking at all. Why is Paladin only rank 2 because of Maggot Lair and other tight dungeons, but Barbarian's notoriously slow early game and usually reliance on finding weapons doesn't even make for a blip on the radar? Why is "boring to play because skeles" even a factor when Corpse Explosion also enables Bone builds?
Is this ranking characters based on being fun to play? Ability to magic find? (Certainly not, because Trapsins are at least a safe MFer and cowrunner, whereas Druids don't really have any sort of MFing niche). Ability to beat the game hardcore safely? There's no context.

How's Double Swing?
Never used it much.
Thinking of respeccing for Duriel.

I was thinking of going either Concentrate or Double Swing, and then buff either of them with Bash.
Then I thought maybe 6 points in double swing because it costs 0.?? mana at that point, but I don't know.
By now I'm pretty sure I'll be using swords for Duriel so I think mastery is probably the better option, so thought I'd go 6 points into Double Swing and the rest in swords mastery, but the free double swing might not be worth it.

>>6360856
>How's Double Swing?
Fastest skill to use in Normal mode and still usable while in Frenzy since you can use it while maxed out on Frenzy stacks.
>respeccing for Duriel
Duriel can be done by any melee build rather safely and easily if you patiently scum Drognan's shop for a Bone Shield of Deflection for high block, stock up on Rejuvs through cubing, and drink a lot of Potions of Thawing for resists.

>>6360934
>>respeccing for Duriel
I won't play the character anymore after Duriel so might as well

>>6359857

this is quite possibly the worst and most ill-informed diablo 2 tier list i've ever seen lol

awh shit
I didn't remember that imbuing white skill items like barbarian helmets rerolled the skills
had +3 sword mastery on my helmet :/

is it like that for sorc staffs as well?
maybe I mistook it for runewords, and runewords kept the white +skill bonuses

Not going to lie. I hate the first part of act 1. Theres too many similar field levels.
I also love all of act 2, except the maggot lair.
Im not sure why these opinions piss everyone off.

sweet, found another ruby

>>6361064

>>6361382

since I quit after Duriel I use all my jewels and gems if I can

>>6361285
my other sword

>>6361084
Nah I pretty much agree, imo act II has the best art of all the acts. Lut Gholein is straight up beautiful in a really grimy way. It's amazing how well the graphics of this game has aged considering how old it is.

What's your opinion on D1 mods? Just thinking about playing a little without turning it into D2, the other option if there's nothing worth it's just hellfire in a CRT.

>>6359857
Never played barb and paladin, and just recently reinstalled DII.
Suggest me some fun builds, possibly not reliant on having the act II merc h24

>>6359857
So whats the deal with hammers.
Multihit?
Magic as a damage type working better?

Damage on skill description do not seem that high?

>>6359857

bullshit. Trap kicksin is a baller char, with 2 insanely OP crowd control skills - cloak, and mind blast, and kicks stack up very well with CB.
Riftsin is a top tier ladder build (or if you use plugy), otherwise just get a beast, or even black, and have 100% CB with g-face and goblin.

And LF javazon just obliterates anything not lightning immune. Plague/Fury and only PL double immunes are any concern. Can't solo ubers, but great at farming cows, cause king is LI by default, so you don't have to worry about accidentaly popping him.

>>6362049
for pally, you have zealer, smiter, or hammerdin if you want to try that.

For barb, why not try a singer? A bit less mainstream than pitzerker, and throwbarb requires two specific weapons to function properly, which is very luck dependent if you want to make one.

>>6362118
did you take synergies into account? Also - yes - being an AOE attack, and magic damage means you can clear lots of monsters quickly. Only clunky in tight spaces.

>>6362049
>Paladin
Fire Zealot
Freeze Zealot
Shock Zealot

They're all about using Zeal with one of the elemental holy auras.
Auras like Holy Freeze give a pulse aoe damage in intervals, but they also give a massive bonus to your attack, so they mix well with fast attacks like zeal.

Holy Fire falls off later in comparison to the others, but you can use it early on.
Could go Fire Zealot and then respec to Shock/Frost.

Late game you could double up on Freeze+Shock through a runeword, Dream in helm and shield would give you a level 30 Holy Shock Aura when equipped, which is buffed from your synergies.
But I think the more popular way to do it is to get Conviction on yourself and Dream x2.
Could give Conviction to the merc, but then you'd be relying on it.

>>6362160
In example?
The Amazon's Charged Strike seem bad on paper, because the skill leading to it(Power Strike) is a bad skill. But then you get Charge Strike, and it turns out that:
1. It has good damage scaling
2. You don't need to hit(!)
3. It multhits larger enemies due the way the bolts spawns

>>6362227
I'm not trying to be a dumb bitch but I always tried to use Fanaticism with a Zealot. Is Fanatacism shitty?

>>6362271
My understanding is that Fanatacism is much more gear dependant.
Just read briefly that some guy switched from Fanatacism in nightmare to holy freeze and his damage doubled, but maybe his weapon was really shitty.

Super late game you could have Fanaticism on yourself+Dream(lvl 30 holy shock) and Conviction on your merc I suppose.

>>6362118
>exponential damage built into its interaction with Concentration means it gets way stronger with higher levels
>2 frame block and insanely high block chance almost for free
>hammers can multihit large targets as long as they hit another target in-between hits
>decent cast speed
>low mana cost
>excellent area of effect
>best damage type
>bonus damage against undead and demons is retardedly powerful given that the far majority of enemies fall within those categories, it is the equivalent of 6.67 extra levels of Concentration
>one of its synergies is Vigor, which is convenient since it lets you shave off time running around town, or running around everywhere pre-Enigma
The only problems are that it sucks in the Maggot Lair and can be occasionally awkward if an enemy is blocking a doorway.

>>6362042
I liked the Bellzabub HD mod. Adds some nice QoL but also makes the game much harder, so you are forced to grind at parts.

>>6362287
>My understanding is that Fanatacism is much more gear dependant.
Generally the bare minimum for a Hell melee build to be smooth is a Cruel (+300% enhanced damage) Elite weapon, some sort of solid unique like upped Bonesnap or Ribcracker, or an Oath runeword.

I am almost done bastardizing every single skill in the game. Should I work on ruining monsters, runewords, uniques, sets or affixes next?

>>6362594
ruin beetles

How is the psx version of diablo 1?

>>6360373
Just my opinion from beating hell w/ every character, the ranking was overall so i considered everything from endgame potential, things i found annoying while leveling, etc. Didn't list every single stength and gripe about individual characters because the list would never end, so i just threw in a few random points i thought were important.

>>6360979
Well how would you rank the characters overall then?

>>6362848
In terms of multiplayer farming autism where you have absurdly powerful gear:
>GOD TIER: sorceress, paladin, barbarian
These characters are objectively the best at everything. They cover every single possible farming niche in the game.
>OKAY TIER: assassin, druid, necromancer
They are decent at some things and are very gear independent.
>AMAZON TIER: amazon
Slowest cast speed means you are garbage. The amazon has the slowest cast speed. Simple as.

In terms of singleplayer hardcore single passes:
>GOD TIER: necromancer
Completely trivial to win with, you can do it with no equipment. Your curses and walls and summons guarantee that any difficult fight becomes effortless.
>EZ TIER: assassin, druid
The assassin has screenwide dim vision, free resistances and can shoot things from offscreen. The druid has a billion life and can't die, especially if you are mad enough to play a shockwave druid.
>BORING AS FUCK BUT EZ: barbarian
Warcry is overpowered but slow and boring. You can't die unless you fall asleep while playing.
>NORMAL MODE: paladin
You can actually die since you have almost no support skills. Having a lot of free resistance and block helps, but you have essentially zero non-melee skills making death a possibility.
>HARD MODE: sorceress
Unlike the other characters, you can die very easily. You have no real support skills outside of teleport, which will usually end up killing you instead due to poor usage.

In terms of fun in a regular softcore playthrough:
>FUN TIER: sorceress, assassin
Being able to teleport is fun. Being able to do any playstyle, or a mix of them, is fun.
>KIND OF FUN TIER: necromancer, paladin
Necromancer can get away with everything but is slowish, and the paladin being forced into melee makes things exciting.
>SUICIDE TIER: druid, barbarian, amazon
They have only one decent build and it is boring.

>>6363136
You missed Amazon in singleplayer hardcore single passes

>>6360373
Trapasins and even Kickasins are most boring chars to play, sure they have best survivability, but boring noner the less

>>6363186
>boring
is entirely subjective
>best survivability
good, but not better than necro

Holy shit how am I actually this addicted to a game that's almost as old as I am. Just started playing and made a zealot paladin, I'm having tons of fun slapping monsters with my Steel runeword flail at jesus freak methhead speed.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but how useful is fanaticism as my main aura? Every build guide I have read strongly recommends maxing it ASAP but other posters in this thread seem to dispute its usefulness.

>>6363241
fanaticism is strong but fanazealot is gear dependent like every physical-oriented build: >>6362429

>>6363136
looks pretty similar to my rankings minus assasin and amazon. guess im biased but i just didnt find assasin very fun to play. amazon does have the worst fcr frames in the game but if you get her to 65 fcr with arachs griffs etc. her cast speed is bearable. I listed her higher though partly because shes the ultimate baal runner

>>6363241
it scales with how much dps your can do, so if you have crap weapons theres better aura options, but its the best choice once you have something decent like a butchers pupil and up.

>>6362429
You can also get away with Infinity or Obedience since they give absurdly strong properties despite being dirt cheap, although it is awkward for a paladin since it means giving up the shield.

>>6364678
BerMalBerIst doesn't strike me as dirt cheap, my dude. You sure you didn't mean Insight?

What happened to the last thread?
I was gonna post my recent grail drops.
Down to 47 items remaining!

Just dropped this.
Think its worth holding onto?

>>6359628
>play online
>kid asks to be my friend
>yeah sure whatever
>won't get off my dick

The first two were alright, but Diablo Immortal is going to be much better than even Diablo Three (3)

>>6365305
is this the same Diablo 3 as Diablo III (3) or is it like Diablo Three (3)? Or is it more like Diablo (III)

>>6365251
Not really. If it had allres instead of only fres, it would be okay but still nothing special.

After three fucking years and god knows how many hours farming it finally drops for me!

Someone remind me: Do normal cows drop the cow set items or just the king?

>>6367439
I've not killed the Cow King yet I have one piece of his set so I can only assume that normal cows also drop them.

>>6367626
I wonder then if its quicker to just kill the King and quit out or clear the whole cow level to get all 3 pieces.

What do you think about Median XL: Sigma mod?

>>6367352
Good for you, anon. I've had 2 crest drops within the space of 1 week. And 2 arachnid mesh in 2 days.

If you are playing SP, Duriel is a more efficient farm, imo.

>>6368086
>Duriel is a more efficient farm
Excuse me, are you trolling? True Tal Rasha Tomb is only visible from the quest or if you go all the way back to the correct wing of Arcane Sanctuary and look for the missing symbol, and Duriel tends to drop nothing on repeated runs but like 6 Scrolls of Town Portal.

>>6368129
As he said, if you are playing singleplayer it is good. You quest bug Duriel which makes him have some of the best drops in the game (quest bugged Duriel has higher drop rates than non-quest Mephisto, who you can't permanently quest bug), then roll a map where the staff room spawns right next to the entrance. You can easily do a Duriel run every minute.

>>6368175
I wasn't aware Single Player specifically lets you quest bug Duriel. How?

>>6368195
You can bug it in multiplayer too (or arguably only multiplayer since you need two characters), but it is pretty much useless unless you maphack. Basically, you should have your non-quest finished character activate the Staff, then sit in town while another character kills Duriel. After Duriel is dead, have the non-quest finished haracter go and complete the rest of the quest as normal. This works since Diablo 2 quests are boolean, which is why killing Andariel (questcompletion=1) then talking to anyone in town (questcompletion=0) bugs it. You can't do this with Mephisto, Diablo or Baal either since they only trigger once, after you kill the given boss.

>>6368219
I'm playing single player. Can't quest bug duriel.
Who even plays multi player Diablo 2 anymore?

>>6368229
You can play with yourself over LAN.

>>6365251
Generally you're looking for (at a minimum) 2 to class skills and 20 fcr You can always hold onto rare circlets/tiaras/diadems and reroll them into something better with 6 perfect skulls. I wouldn't bother on anything less than a diadem though because it can take a while to find the 18 flawless skulls needed.

>>6367352
Same shit happened to me man, I had almost everything i needed but a shako, which is funny because its not that uncommon a drop, and i FINALLY get one off andy and its fucking ethereal so I can't use it. I was so pissed, but by insane luck I got another one which was non-eth in the same day.

>>6368235
I don't think PlugY works over LAN.

>>6368275
You think wrong. There are very few mods that break LAN play.

>>6368349
Well I still don't have a second computer.

>>6368564
I'd say stick to the Andariel bug then, the drops are good enough

>>6368564
Just use D2SE or PlugY, the newest version of which supports multistart.

What do you farm as a lightning sorc?

>>6369385
Pretty much everything that isnt Ancient Tunnels or Mausoleum. Only place its required is countess. I think cold is a little better for diablo but thats debatable.

>>6369385
You can kill Cows without killing the King and Pindleskin is pretty light sorc friendly.

About halfway done giving gimmicks to every single monster. My mod is going to be kind of silly for revive necromancers.

>>6359628
>why is there no diablo general?
>almost 12 hours between posts

>>6368564
you don't need a second computer - you can run 2 copies of D2 on the same computer.

In w10, simply make another account, then switch to it without signing out. That's also an easy way to transfer stuff between your characters if you don't use mods.

>>6365251
my rule of thumb, whenever a rare item dropped that looked like I could sell on jsp, was to ask if there's a unique or set that does the same thing. Like with that circlet, I'm pretty sure ik helm is better and arreats beats the pants off it, don't know whether this is relevant for you though.

well, shit. It's not ethereal, and only 208/250% ED, but I might make a throw barb just for the hell of it, hoping to find a proper one later.

I wish D2 had more hirelings options
Going always Act2 merc is boring

>>6372669
You can easily mod hirelings and give them any skills you want.

https://medium.com/@dlcraddock/why-diablo-2-holds-up-almost-20-years-later-df4be1a5b740

>>6373167
>Blood Raven, who has never been difficult to kill and is relatively passive and constantly runs away to hide behind pushover minions, is supposed to be The Butcher, who dishes out ridiculous damage with a quick attack speed and hyper aggression, of Diablo 2
I don't really see the similarity outside of them being the likely first major boss of their respective games. If anything, I'd presume that Duriel was intended to be the successor to The Butcher.

>>6373257
I always though the blood raven fight mimics Leoric from D1, just as den of evil mimics tainted water supply.

Duriel is kinda too far into the game to be a mirror for the butcher.
I'd say the closest thing D2 has to The butcher, is actually Treebranch, who guards the Inifuss tree.

Then there's the blacksmith, but by the time you get to him, he's a total pushover, despite being the most similar to the butcher visually. Treebranch meets the criteria far better, being the first serious opponent, that can catch new players offguard.

found a pretty nifty diadem. Not sure I like it better than g-face for a kicksin, but maybe if I decide to make some yolo meleesin it will come in handy. Dumped it to my mule for now.

>>6373276
Yeah, that does fit it better. I don't think I've ever died to Blood Raven, but Treefist rushing me down has fucked me over a few times, especially when he or a nearby enemy gets an aura.

bump

What the fuck is wrong with Infernal Tools
>gives barely any poison damage
>low chance of open wounds
>multiple attack rating bonuses on what may possibly be a casting set, but it already uses your weapon slot so it is useless for that purpose (and the big attack rating bonus is on the weapon, so a barbarian can't even use it as a stat stick)
>6% mana steal, with a "weapon" that deals 13-14 damage
>damage bonuses on a wand
>belt and hat give mostly junk properties and properties that are inferior to similar level magic items
>minor skill bonuses, a single vendored wand will likely be more useful
This has to be the most schizophrenic design in the entire game. What is even the point of this set? Why would anyone ever use this? Even if you did the impossible and found the entire set at level 5 (even though most of the doesn't start dropping until act 2 and 3) you probably wouldn't want to use it.

>>6376576
Probably poor communication between whoever put stats on gear and whoever designed class mechanics. A similar thing i can think of is in very early world of warcraft where gear meant for healers would have agility and strength. Another possibility is that there is so much sets/uniques in the game they just threw random stats on it because they were running out of time before release, after spending all their time balancing the "good" gear.

>>6359857
them moves

>>6376576
Its a early set design, most likely before Necro even had a proper design.
You sorta see this in the skill tree, where Necro has Poison Dagger in his skill tree, which is completely different from everything else.

>>6359857
>basically half of boss monsters you kill give an extra drop)
Explain please, I've never played a barb

>>6378441
You shout at corpse
Corpse get scared
You get a free extra item

>>6378445
Is that really it?

>>6378923
Mostly. Having a chance to loot unique monsters twice means you are essentially doing half an extra run for every run you do which is massive. Barbarians also have Berserk, which allows you to one hit almost anything since it deals a zillion magic damage, and Barbarians cast as fast as a sorceress, allowing you to teleport around stupidly fast. You also get the highest magic find/gold find since you can dual wield weapons, which is really good since you can easily swap weapons when you are using Find Item, then swap back to your beating stick.

>>6378923

pretty much what >>6378940 said.

Put ~10 points into find item, then bump it to around 17 with +skills, and it has 49% chance to drop an item, just as if you had just killed the monster.

Combine that with the fact that the pit is a level 85 area, where every champion, and boss pack has a chance to drop TC87 items, and from half of them (6-8 packs on level 1, 2-3 packs on level 2 of the pit), that's like 4-5 extra drops per run.
And being act 1 with really easy monsters, a good berserk barb will drop most champions in 1 or 2 swings (with laying of hands doing a massive 350% extra damage to 3/4 of the monsters there).
Stupid fast teleport (8 frames with 105% fcr, which is 2 wiz spikes + 5% fcr amu, or arachnid mesh). Stack 400+ MF, and still instagib everything in there.

>trying to find a way to add in missiles that deal weapon damage but don't carry crushing blow/ctc on striking
>figure the Blade Sentinel missile might work well
>add the missile to Jab so that it will shoot out blade sentinels on each attack
>instead it turns me INTO a blade sentinel if I attack with Jab
>it also apparently lasts forever
What the fuck. Every time I try to find a way to solve an issue, I find something way more interesting.

>>6379050
You don't even need to put more than one point in Find Item. If you have access to torch and ani, you get enough +skills to get the chance to about 45%, which is fine.

>been playing vanilla diablo 1
>only mod im using is the one simply called "diablo patch"
>all it does it add shit like window support, fixed colors etc, and ability to play nightmare and hell on single player without using a glitch
>get to hell floor 16 with rogue
>got maxed out stats via elixers, got about 2 rings of the zodiacs +20 to all stats, decent head gear and armor too
>absolutely fucking slaughtered every 5 seconds by succubus/advocates

What can I do senpaitachi? I wanna finish Diablo 1 on hell so I can move on to Diablo 2 for the first time, but I keep getting absolutely fucked.

>>6373694
On that topic. Does anyone know whether circlet or coronet upgrade to diadem? I'm trying to gamble griffons

>>6380808
>absolutely fucking slaughtered every 5 seconds by succubus/advocates
High resists to magic and fire are a must. Another thing that helps is pro footwork and scouting out enemies by firing arrows beyond the limit of your screen, so that you pull as few enemies as possible. Idk what bow are you using, but a decent Bow of Swiftness helps with stunlocking enemies (though isn't strictly necessary either). Generally you have to take on those rooms piecemeal and use some spells. Any character should have:
>Teleport for mobility
>Healing and / or Mana Shield (Warriors only use former, there are two schools of thought for Rogues, and Sorcerers only use MS)
>Stone Curse (if necessary)
>Firewall (fucks a little bit with enemy AI even if they're immune to Fire, helps establish convenient chokepoints)
Remember that strafing directly to your left or right makes you immune to projectiles and that there are a few angles you can fire from where the projectiles won't harm you but you can fire back at enemies, particularly with crafty use of corners.
Generally speaking you have to be methodical and patient with it and you will prevail.
If you still can't handle it, any character can put on some +Magic items and equip a Bountiful Staff of Apocalypse and simply cheese all of the rooms.
Telekinesis can skip a handful of the room if you use it on the levers that lead to other passages (you can skip directly to Diablo and lure him outside of his group with a Holy Bolt cast from beyond your sight range)

>>6359628
>why is there no diablo general?

Because you touch yourself at night.

>>6378940
>>6379050
Cool, thanks for the info. It seems a barb is the next character for me.

>>6381032
I guess this thread is the best place to ask. What should I play to clear Normal through to Hell? I've seen people use the term "pitzerker" before, which I assume is the build for farming pits. I also assume that this is not efficient for leveling/clearing normal/nightmare and at least the first few acts of hell?

>>6381050

depends. It's a slog till you reach level 30, but once you hit 30, you can have 20+ points in your synergies already, and berserk hits really hard. Also, you have crowd control in the form of howl, so it's not that bad.

I didn't start making a pitzerker until I had most of the gear lined up already, so that was a big help.

>>6381050
>What should I play to clear Normal through to Hell?
Berserker works very well with any regular two-hander (Bonesnap or Steeldriver or something like that), it will be one-shotting mobs (one at a time though) and have plenty of crowd control.
Otherwise Double Swing/Frenzier would be recommended.
You could also go Singer for safety, but the constant booing of the barbarian would drive me nuts, plus why bother playing the dedicated muscle class as a shitty caster?

>>6359628
Wish I could get into D2 like I did back then when I'd always play all night through Hamachi with my friend.
Nowadays we got the internet and Discord but the game gets so damn boring after you've grinded your ass off and nothing good ever drops and it takes like 30 hours of grinding to get a level up, ain't nobody got time for that now.
Still god tier aesthetics and gameplay though. I remember spending lots of time just staring at how good the character select screen looked.
For me, D2 is one of those games best kept in a velvet cage in the fondest memories I have from my early years.
It could be that I had thousands and thousands of hours played with every char and build possible, but every time I install it again, I stop at act III.

>>6381169
>the game gets boring after you win
well no shit

>>6381169
That's why you play silly mods with new uber levels to beat.

this any good?

14/29 Crown of Ages. Damn thing is 1 off from being perfect which is worth 7-10 HRs. Anyone know how much 14/29 would worth?

I'm a bored moddingtard. Give me an idea for a new mod and I'll probably make it. It could be a new/reworked character, a simple gimmick, a specific few changes or whatever else you can think of.

>>6383043
Not really any good. I guess maybe it could be useful on a mercenary for Nihlathak runs if he keeps dying to the pit vipers.

>>6383043
Don't think anyone will prefer that over other body armors.

>>6383814
Rework barbarian. Only Aoe he has is whirlwind and it can't deliver On Strike, On Attack mods, and it misses, it's kinda boring. That ability shouldn't miss although weapon speed should affect the intervals in between the attacks. That class needs a Ground Slam kind of ability that's available to maces, carries out all mods, weapon damage + skill level bonuses. Would be cool to do chaos runs with Me Smash gameplay.

>>6381120
>>6381089
Right on, thanks. I have a good amount of barb weapons in my plugy stash so I'm probably going to try frenzy.

>>6383043
It's good if you're doing a max damage reduced build, but it's not perfect.
It can have 15-20 damage reduced and only has 18.

>>6383825
Okay. Should I convert the entire barbarian into being a mace user? There are six different kinds of maces, so I could give each type its own mastery, and make it so only maces can drop, and so that wands and staves only spawn with weapon modifiers.

>>6384053
I don't think you need to convert the whole class into mace user. In fact leave everything as is. Just replace berserk or concentration with the ability or create a Mace Specialization ability that unlocks at level 30. It's called Ground Slam, synergizes with shout cause the abiliity takes some breath. Works with 2h maces and dual wield maces but not with a 1h mace. You can actually include 2h staves I guess that works with the idea. Another thing is the whirlwind, I don't think that ability works too good in the original. When you whirlwind it hits single targets on every tick of the spin rather than everyone around the AoE. Is it an engine limitation or did blizz balanced it that way, I'm not sure.

>>6383825
too much AoE made PoE boring, not something to emulate.
A Mace'arrian, where it's fully focused on maces then a ground slam would fit as an aoe attack though.

>>6384102
How should the ground slam behave? Generally speaking, the more complex it is, the more unlikely it is that dual-wielding will be possible. So for example, if you just want it to move in a straight line, then dual-wielding will be fine, but if you want it so it shoots multiple missiles and/or has semi-random movement, then dual-wielding won't work.

my new diablo stint is under, like last time, i tried some mods, and again settled for resurgence and plugy, collection everything and testing builds
Durga bestboi
Unbelievably good and replayable game, ffs.

>>6384398
The area of impact should have a radius. Much like how meteor behaves. Although sending shockwaves or tremors is a different idea and could work as a different skill. Dual wielding is that he slams the ground with both weapons that carries out both weapon damage.

what exactly does mat/pat mean? I see it around old forums from time to time.

>>6384993
been playing with my gf, we both have a Durga, but he dies a lot. I think he's trying to build up a retirement fund or something

>>6385595
>https://mega.nz/file/cSwB2BhS#-eaxLj9pj-iHyhjSDQ-_p4hTymgp01hu2FISo9NTQ5c
Here is the first version of the mod. It ended up pretty basic since almost everything didn't work at all.
>The Barbarian now starts the game with a Battle Staff that gives +1 to Concentrate
>Stun now deals 75% weapon damage and shoots out 25% weapon damage shockwaves; can only be used with blunt weapons
>Bash is now level 30 and deals 50% weapon damage, and releases a small area of effect that adds on the bonus damage and 50% weapon damage; can only be used with blunt weapons
>Berserk swaps with Concentrate, and Concentrate swaps with Bash
There are also no changes related to dual-wielding (which includes whirlwind), because anything involving dual-wielding is inherently a god awful buggy mess, whether it involves weapon restriction, missile release or anything else. I spent six hours experimenting with dual-wielding to try to get it to behave, and the only semi-effective way ended up requiring me to add new stats to the used weapons, which means I would have to add this new stat to every single weapon in the entire game, which I will not do.

I'll also work on any other mod ideas anons have, as long as it doesn't involve dual-wielding.

>>6386953
I want to play as the monsters and defeat armies of diablo 2 heroes

>>6387105
You can be the the extra fast extra strong cold enchanted dark archer who's kill everyone whilst teleporting at least once

>>6387105
I'm going to need a better description than that. Which monsters would you play as? Would the enemies just be various character builds?

I need to diversify skills on my Javazon to deal with enemies with lightning immunity, and I'm thinking of either Freezing Arrow or Immolation Arrow, is there an objectively better choice?

>>6387480
plague javelin.

Seriously. You only lose 40 points total from your synergies, and since lightning fury only gets 1% extra damage per point in synergy skills, you don't gimp yourself, but plague javelin does crazy damage.

Get yourself a bramble (ral ohm sur eth) on top of that, and you can easily hit 80k+ plague javs. Plus - it's easier on the mana, and the fact that it takes longer to kill doesn't really matter that much, since you only need 1 cast, and then you can do your thing while the enemy drops dead.

>>6387731
Actually I was originally rolling with plague Javazon, but found myself unable to do damage in Nightmare, so I switched over to lightning, I'll give it another go I guess.

>>6387731
Also do I really want to forgo Enigma for Bramble?

>>6383629
How many sockets?

>>6388030
2os

>>6386953
Alright thanks. I wish you didn't bother with dual wielding that much. I only said that to make the skill build more versatile ^^.

Whats your favorite/least favorite act?
Act 2 is my favorite, kino besides maggot lair
Act 4 is my least favorite, short and aesthetically boring, also iron maiden PTSD.

I have played D2 since LoD released. I have never beaten it. I have played every character. I've even gotten to act V. But I just haven't beaten it. I just get so bored with it. But I keep replaying it. Over and over. Then quitting when I get bored, usually when act 2 starts.

>>6388413
Act I favorite Act IV least favorite

>>6388413
Weird, I'm the opposite. Act IV is my favorite. Its short and clearly unfinished but aesthetically the most interesting in terms of area and enemies. Act II is a huge drag with some of the worst enemies in the game as soon as you enter the desert, which drags on forever, and the bosses all suck. Maggot Lair, the Harem, and the Arcane Sanctum are the only parts because they're so unique.

IV > I > V > III > II

>>6387197
I just want to be able to play as monsters in the game and be able to use some of their abilities, so if i were to pick a character based on the act 1 shamans for example i could have an army of little dudes and ressurect them when they die, and i'd have fireballs i can shoot, he'd actually play like a summon necro kinda. I don't know the capabilities of modding or if its feasible to be able to play as the monsters, but most of them have abilities that mirrior existing playable abilities so it shouldnt be too hard in that respect, and you could just add abilities that kinda seem like they'd fit so you arent stuck with just 1 move.

>>6363136
Amazon is the best cow farming character

>>6367439
Only the king drops the cow set items.

>>6369385
If you're a lightning sorc I'm assuming you have infinity, so you farm anything in the game

>>6383629
Where do you play that there is still an in game economy?

i want to get back into D2
what are some essential mods or qol mods i should get

>>6389057
plugy

>>6387875
>>6387910

as you can see, there's a bit of a difference between plague jav, and lightning fury.

Granted - I had to drop two synergy skills to max plague javelin, and poison jav (for synergy), but LF only gets +1% damage for synergy skills, so i'm doing 40% extra instead of 80% extra, which accounts for about 25% damage reduction for LF. And this is with stormshield - i also have a moser's with two lightning facets, and If I had a griffon, I could boost it even higher.

Also - the low damage for LF compared to plague javelin is very deceptive, because of how it stacks with piercing attacks, and the fact that plague jav does it's damage over 16 seconds (do note, I have +20 to jav skills: 12 from gear, and 8 in charms).

Still, my plague javelin kills storm casters in Chaos Sanctuary in one hit.

As for Enigma - amazon has such slow casting speed, that you're better off with increased running speed - teleport is only really useful for bypassing obstacles.
The biggest downside is losing about half of your charged strike damage, but that is mainly used for killing bosses, and with regular monsters, the impact of that isn't really felt.

>>6389062
yeah but,why does the game lag when i play with it?

>>6388883
true that. cow level is perfect for LF, and the inability to accidentally kill the king is a big bonus too.

>>6389165
Enigma is not just the teleport. It also gives a lot of running speed with + skills and shitload of strength so I would still prefer it to bramble. But bramble is an okay choice, too.

>>6389707

50% extra poison damage is worth more than +2 skills, and while strength is nice for equipping Stormshield, if you are going for plague/lightning hybrid, I'd much rather have bramble.

>diablo 2
>/vr/ kids still trying to pass off a game released in 2000 as retro despite the fucking stickied rules
Why

In the end, was 2D the right choice?

>>6389763
Yes.
Early 3D was a trashfire of questionable solutions. Most hardware where unable to display more than very square polygons. Or where unable to render texture with more sharpness than just using vertex colors + Gouraud.
Even for late playstation games they ended up completely leaving shading behind for high res textures with pre baked shading, and that still has a lot of buffer/render issues.

The only real mistake they made is that 640x480 is too small. 800x600 improves play area, but its till slightly too small for play area.
They should have settled for XGA or 1280x960 with slightly larger sprites, as a high res mode.

But that leaves a important question: I assume the article is from 1990s.
Which means you still have a lot of people being into the hype, despite full 3D games being unable to deliver outside of first party.

>>6389763
Absolutely, without a doubt. A 3D Diablo in 2000 would have looked like ass.

The only thing that could have benefitted Diablo 2 would have been the ability to run at higher resolutions on systems that could handle it.

I played Diablo 2 on release and I didn't have any issue with its visuals at all. Artistically it's stunning. I think most of it still holds up today, which is something you can't say for any 3D title from that year.

>>6389748
Yeah but that's only if you actually get a perfect roll. With average roll the difference is smaller. Doesn't the + 2 skills actually add like + 8-10% poison damage? I know that my poison necro gets a lot of damage from every single +skill he gets. I'm not sure how poison javelin scales. Also there is the + running speed.

>>6389763
Diablo 2 is beautiful. I love every pixel.

>>6389963
yeah, 50 is a godroll, but anything above 40% is really good. I use 3/20 gloves, both for LF, and because they give more damage, than trangs 25%, but that's with a 50% roll bramble equipped.

I get 40% frw from aldur's boots (along with fire res), and you can get more from the amu (though i'm actually using a safety amulet, to hit 75% block with stormshield), and you get resistances from bramble as well.

Either way - the combination of LF and plague javelin eats through anything. Only those effing burning souls that have double immunity piss me off, and I have to rely on jab+merc to kill them.

>>6359628
Fuck all you xfudgepackers. Do you fegit even know what claging is? Classic for life!

just kidding. Srsly though I wish there was a classic private server. Slash kids etc all just play xpack.

>>6389753
why do you care, you're not a mod and it doesn't affect you

>>6389823
> A 3D Diablo in 2000 would have looked like ass.

Even worse than the 3d diablo in 2012?

>>6388413
Act4 is my favorite. I'm a sucker for gothic architecture. I think Chaos sactuary diablo runs are infinitely more interesting/random/fun than Baal runs. It's the main reason I don't play xpac. Sitting their waiting for those stupid adds to appear makes me die inside.

Act 5 least favorite.

>>6389753
because the game was made in the 1990s. It was only released in 2k because it got delayed, but it's just as much a 90s game, as 1995 and early 96 games were dos games, despite win95 being out at that point.

>>6390158
Was LoD being developed during the 2000s or was it also started during the 90's?
I'm not trying to gotchya I'm actually just curious as the wiki doesn't say.

>>6390108
The art direction would have been a lot better but still subject to a lot of jank. Enemies would probably look like miniature versions of the ones from the first Unreal, to say nothing of the environments.

>>6390259
I actually don't know. Additionally, one can argue that the gameplay has changed quite significantly from vanilla, but it's still a 90s game at it's core.

>>6388189
The suffering is half the fun of Diablo 2 modding, where something super complex can be done effortlessly and something basic is borderline impossible.

>>6388882
Surprisingly, resurrect does actually work on minions, but only if you do some really weird shit with their monster settings. The results are kind of crappy though, the "resurrected" fallens still follow you around and are allied, but they have no inherent limit and lose all the passive stats they have. It is also super abusable since you can commit genocide against your own summons and mass up a gigantic, limitless army from their corpses. I don't think a fallen shaman is the best choice for a player character, unless you want to be a fairly generic, non-resurrecting summoner. What other monsters would you want to play as?

Is there any realistic way to play diablo in debian that doesn't involve:
-wine.
-virtual machines.
-partitions.
-HDD formats

>>6390798
Have the game streamed to you from a cloud? It should be system, hardware, software unspecific. Don't know if any services exist as of yet, but I remember at e3 some years ago 3-4 were announced to be in development. Or you can set it up yourself if you have a server :o
I use wine and had to install i shitton of 32bit pkgs, but hey, it's diablo, it's worth it.

>>6379478
cool

So I just started playing Diablo 2 again, popped on my skele necro who's at Act 1 Nightmare. Farming means save & quitting, but that means all my skeles disappear. Is there any other method skele necros can use for farming? I know the build doesn't really need equipment, but I wanted to try getting some other runes to make runeword stuff (since the last time I put a lot of hours into diablo 2 before making this character was before runewords existed). Also so far I have gotten zero +skill charms and it makes me sad since all I have right now is +2 to summoning skills on my wand.

Bros plz help! I bought a key from blizzard and have been playing during lockdown and keeping me sane. Just got to act III last night and logged off. When I tried to log back in I’m getting “Your CD key is in use by (my name)”.

I tried again 12 hours later and still no luck. Tried googling and couldn’t find any concrete info, just like to wait 24 hours or 14 days. Possible IP ban, possibly someone stole my key. What do?

>>6394364
Quickest way to get skeles is to take anya's portal in act v, and boom theres your skeles right there. If you activate the waypoint on the way to nilathek you lose the portal though and no longer have access to quick skeles. As for runewords,make lore and 2x spirits, only need common low runes that are easy as fuck to find in a normal playthrough, and thats an easy +5 all skills right there.

>>6394953
Well seeing as how I'm now in Act 2 Nightmare it's gonna be a bit before I have access to that spot but I'll try to remember that when I get there to maybe farm a bit if I feel I need to.

>spirit - works in swords & shields
Never would have thought of equipping a sword just for the runeword. Sadly this wiki says its a Ladder only runeword so I won't be able to get that as I'm playing single player. Runeword looks damn nice though for being so easy to build.

>>6394986
There's a quick runewords fix you can implement to any SP game (no PlugY or anything needed) to be able to recognize ladder runewords. They generally make itemization a lot easier although they're not strictly necessary.

>>6394986
>single player

I feel you. I also play unmodded SP, and that means I have to skip some killer runewords like infinity, and since I can't have grief, I had to use botd on an eth berserker axe (incredibly, It rolled a perfect 400% ed).

Diablows II is not Diablo

>>6396053
You're the extreme minority. Diablo 2 improved everything about Diablo.

>>6396717
weeeeeell... I dunno. The design for Blood Knights and Succubi was pretty dope in D1. The oblivion knights and succubi in d2 look like crap by comparison.

>>6359628
I am the general of diablo! Want some orders?! I will command you around!. Kill baal! PLOX!

>>6395187
I may try that. I was probably gonna make my next character on the ladder anyway. Back in december (I think?) I was trying to get some friends together to try out ladder after it reset, but it never came together, and from what I saw that ladder reset had issues or something.

D1 > D2 > D3

Fight me.

>>6397014
what

>>6397014
Go home Djuntas, you're drunk

>>6362639
Loads forever and controls need a lot of getting used to

>>6370756
Look cool

>>6397202
No need to fight. This is the truth.

>>6359857

Much more balanced than D1 though. Sorcerers absolutely dominated. The hardest thing was not killing your team with friendly fire.

Warriors only truly shine if you play Ironman and make it like a rougelike (no returns to town). If you get bad book drops sorcerers suck.

>>6360240
How often did you "fall" for it?

>>6359879
paladin almost entirely due to resist cold

There's a bunch of unique items and runewords in Diablo 2 that were never completed, and many of them just have the name and nothing else. Some of them sounds pretty cool. Here's some of the uniques that have names but don't exist (Constricting Ring doesn't count, because it's just disabled):
>Gore Ripper
>Zakarum's Salvation
>Odium
>Larzuk's Champion
>Giantmaimer
>Darkfear (this one would've been an Armet, but otherwise there's nothing else associated with it)
>Nethercrow
>Warriv's Warder
>Merman's Speed (apparently these were supposed to be boots)
>Sigurd's Staunch
Personally, I like it when NPC's have unique items named after them so I would've really liked to see what Larzuk's Champion and Warriv's Warder were in particular. Larzuk's' Champion also has the same inventory file as Hellforge Hammer.

Found this cool ring, what do you think? the AR is useless but its the best rare ring ive found so far. Does anyone know what the max MF you can get on a 10 fcr ring is btw?

>>6398786
Wow, that's really lucky. The highest FCR and MF you can get on a rare ring are 10% and 15% respectively.

What do you guys think of median xl?

>>6398848
it was pretty cool for a little bit but the novelty wore off fast

Was watching Llama today and noticed his cube says "Superior Horadric Cube".
What is that? Mine just says "Horadric Cube".

>>6397974
Sorcerer swings a mean buckler.

>Intensity comes at the cost of wisdom.

>>6388413
Act 1 is best, it looks like where I'm from. Act 2 sucks balls as a Necro main.

>>6399083
>having a main in diablo 2

>>6398976
it means he used a third party program to add it into his character, probably using hero editor, as the default quality in hero editor when you create an item is set to "superior"

>>6398976
>>6399240
pic related. all i did was load a char i used to dick around with and make the cube via hero editor and changed nothing about it. it defaults to "superior"

>>6399251
Llama's had an item level tho.

>>6399289
then hes using some sort of mod or plugin to display item level. the only way to obtain a quality other than that of normal horadric cube is through an editor

>>6399295
Oh I figured you were already using some mod in that SS.

>>6399289
The item level comes from PlugY. No idea about the superior cube though, maybe hes a fraud and hero edited some of his grailers

>>6399362
Everyone was watching him for every item. I don't see how he could forge his grail.

>>6398786
You can up to 30%, but that is only if you roll a perfect magic find prefix and suffix. The rolls are overall bretty good despite the AR and replenish life.

>>6398554
>Larzuk's Champion
Definitely shoots out cannonballs.

Been farming nm on my wind druid for a week now, single player hardcore and I'm not finding any items at all to help me in hell. What do bros. I'm level 77 at this point from all the farming I've been doing. Trying to do it all on players 8 also, so I really need to get some upgrades before hell. Vmagi is a must for sure.

>>6400032
You should be able to wreck hell very easily as a druid thanks to your infinite life. As long as you have Treachery or otherwise maxed resistances then you should be good to go.

>>6388742
Id mostly agree.

4 > 1 > 5 > 2 > 3.

Act III sucks and is a total drag. The aesthetics were a cool idea but the level sprawl is really annoying.

>>6400312
I'm on players 8 though, and can get 1 shot by most everything. Definitely don't have a treachery yet, that would help a lot.

>>6400518
How the hell are you going to get one shot as a druid? You should have at least 2k life and your mercenary (who also has a shitload of life) buffering a lot of the damage. If you cap out your resistances, then the only threats should be aura enchanted stacks (which are incredibly obvious and avoidable), goat lords and pit vipers.

I liked playing as the negromancer and spawing thugs n bones to fight demons for me

>>6400553
It's single player, players 8, hardcore.
"if you cap your resists"
The whole point was I'm not finding any gear.

>>6400748
>Why can't I beat a game set up for 8 players synergizing by myself.

Ladder resets have taught me that trash gear is fine if you have necromancer/druid summons tanking, multiple auras, war cries, and magic AOE spam.

There is a reason monsters scale up with more players.

>>6399323
nope
>>6399379
>Everyone was watching him for every item.
i guess not, because there's no other way to obtain a superior horadric cube. it was 100% hacked into his inventory, whether that means he hacked the cube in, or obtained the cube and changed the quality of it in some sort of editor

>>6398786
>>6398827
>>6399942
the highest on a rare ring is 25% if you are obscenely lucky and roll both the best magic find prefix and suffix

>>6401179
Is that possible on a 10 fcr rare ring though? thats what i was asking. Wouldnt it be 15 if one of the affixes is being used for 10 fcr?

What are common mods/extras you all use when playing D2? I'm trying to play modless for the most part, but have runeword mod for single player and GoMule for extra storage (just rune storage at the moment because I'm a hoarder since I don't know much about what runes are good). I hear lots of people talk about PlugY, but IIRC that doesn't work on the newest version of D2.

>>6400935
I dunno man, that's way too risky on hardcore with the gear I have right now. Bear can only hold one down, the wolves die in 1 hit and I only have 4 of them. Too risky for hardcore.

>>6401902
Just Plugy for me. I use patch 1.13c for it.

Anyone have Trangs gloves on Bnet East?

>>6401902
PlugY is the way to go imo, it just gets rid of the hastle of muling and has nice QOL features. Also has ladder runewords and diablo clone/pandemonium event added. The major complaints people have for it is that it doesnt work on the newest patch of diablo 2. Also Uber Tristram isn't properly coded and the Ubers don't spawn minions but I think its the only way to experience pandemonium event in single player. Other complaint I hear a lot is that theres free respecs at any time, so in hell you can just keep respeccing every time theres a hard part. I simply just stick to 1 respec ea difficulty and don't abuse this so I see no problem with it.

>>6401924
>>6402112
Maybe I should look into downgrading to install PlugY then. But may just keep rolling as-is for now and see if I can convince friends to play on battlenet, or try ladder characters.

>>6402187
You can have your official copy with the newest version, and plugy. I use that 1.13c on Plugy but I still use the official copy to go on bnet to play ladder.

>>6402187
install plugy, don't downgrade your other game