/vr/ - Retro Games

Don't play special edition then it sucks, the content isn't worth the changes in physics and massive track skips

>>6384091
Don't you want to go faster?

>>6384431
Whats the point of going fast when all the tracks are wide straight flat planes with no detail or character

>>6384437
>muh grafix
The dishwasher graphics were done intentionally to keep the 60 fps. And what makes wipeout tracks any better? They're all flat with rails running at a turtle pace. In F-Zero you get loops and a true sense of speed which matter more in a racing game. Maybe you might like pic related.

>>6384431
I like the F-Zero series a lot, even the GBA games, but there's no denying that there's more to Wipeout's gameplay and physics, it's a more complex game.

>>6384465
I guess if you like combat in racing, but I find it far too slow for my tastes. Always seemed like a lesser version of Episode 1 Racer. I will say I do love the whole Y2K retro futurist style paired with that heavenly trance/D&B soundtrack.

>>6384448
I like the Greatest Hits edition of JM2. Less racers, and runs way faster because of it.

>>6384448
Its not just the graphics also are you kidding? Wipeout tracks all have some major dips and bumps that take advantage of the pitching mechanics, the tracks get very narrow and twisty especially considering how much more punishing the physics are. Loops are a non element they are just straights or long turns presented differently. Sense of speed is relative, play F-Zero for half an hour and its speed will stop feeling fast or impressive since your brain will adapt. Jet Moto has interesting mechanics actually but the framerates are unacceptably bad

>>6384476
You sound like you didn't go far in them, since they have a Mario Kart-like system where you start slow, then go increasing in speed... the fastest class is pretty darn fast and tough.

>>6384478
>Greatest Hits edition of JM2. Less racers, and runs way faster because of it.
I had no idea that was a thing so I had to look it up. You mean Greatest Hits or Championship Edition? There's two versions that showed up.

>>6384091

I wish there was a NTSC patch and rebalance patch. NTSC patch might be easy to handle and carry out too.

>>6384120

I think they made ships faster or something and they didn't have enough time to properly playtest it. So the ships tend to quite literally fly in some sections.

Shame 3 never got an N64 version. Wipeout 64 is a port of XL with tracks and features from 1 as well. N64 is a better system but wipeout 3 has better draw distance and 64!

>>6384487
All Greatest Hits copies are the Championship Edition. That cover on the left actually wasn't used, but in-game they all do say "Championship Edition"
The reason why the Greatest Hits edition is altered was due to the original master disc being destroyed, and the "Championship Edition" being a modified version of the game that the producer had requested for private use, which ended up being submitted to Sony when it came time to print the Greatest Hits edition.

>>6384481
>>6384483
I'll give it another replay then. Is 2097 still considered the best one in the series?

https://youtu.be/gT54AsVOnQ8

>this is the quality of most high level Wipeout replays online
JUST

>>6384512
I like 3 better but you can't go wrong with any of the original trilogy, it's a matter of taste really. Just try to unlock the phantom class and you'll see the speed is no joke.

I agree with the above anon that F-Zero speed stops being impressive once you get used to it. They're different games, in F-Zero's higher difficulties you're competing against tougher rivals, in Wipeout you'll be competing against the track itself (despite the combat elements), trying to survive, not crashing in every turn.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0A_NBRlin5Y

>>6384512
Yes, just use a code to unlock Piranha and Phantom speed class, boot up time trials and try to get some clean laps, its an absolute blast

>>6384521

>I'm actually getting more into the talk show in the background than the time trial

>>6384528
>>6384527
Neat, thanks anons. I'll give it another go since I never made it too far in. Since this thread is mostly anti-gravity racers, I have to ask what do you guys think is the best water racer?

I like F-Zero but man is X ugly. Even mods can't fix it. It's visually only a step above a SNES Super FX 3D game. No wonder X nearly killed the F-Zero series and Wipeout outsold it.

Aestetically I love the original 3 games since they have a real grounded cyberpunk future look and feel. The tracks are clearly concrete and you see a variety of believable locations. The sequels turn everything into plastic and you're just playing in this shiny world. It looks so stupid.

>>6384495
>I wish there was a NTSC patch
well.... :^)

simple ≠ ugly
that said, you niggers need to stop bringing up f-zero in every wipeout thread and vice-versa.
you all just want to shitpost console wars in the end.

>>6384512
yes, 2097 is best. I'm going to differ from the other anon and say play your way through Rapier and unlock everything yourself suing the quirex. It's worth the effort, and will make the piranha car feel indescribable when you finally get it. The game doesn't really begin until then.

>>6384091
Whatever, I just set the frame limiter to 60 in the emu I use.

>>6384091
just get Ballistic.NG bro.

>>6386226
this

>best game of the series
But you didn't post Omega?

>>6384547
I loved WaveRace Blue Storm on the GC (notretro:() because the wave physics was crazy, but i haven't really played many of them.

>>6386297
>>>/v/

>>6386491
Huh? Omega is by far the best Wipeout though, "muh not vr" doesn't mean shit when talking about a whole series

>>6386495
Wrong, nu Wipeout mechanics are shite

>>6386495
Yeah this is /vr/ where we talk about RETRO GAMES. I appreciate this is a hard concept to grasp so I'll make it easier for you:
>>>/v/
Click that (or press it, very likely you're a phoneposter) and don't return.

>>6386102
>well.... :^)

what?

>>6384431
both great games. but classic wipeout base gameplay is much harder and faster. I like fzero x for playing with friends and burning all your meter as soon as you get it and trying to finish with 1HP.
Wipeout has much more simulationist physics and could have been have been a really great racing series if they didn't rely so heavily on the mario kart formula that killed it.
>>6384512
not /vr/ but BallisticNG is a spiritual remake of the first three wipeout games (the classic trilogy). It's a mix of the three physics systems with modern stuff like a proper track editor, mod support and multiplayer.
https://youtu.be/qdDBIWHCGxg

>>6386523
>>6386529
Confirmed non-players
Wipeout 3 is still a good game faggots, just not the best

>>6384547
I think this but I honestly haven't played many. I always liked the physics, sounds and tracks in HT

>>6386680
imagine having a kart series that sets itself apart with it's physics and audio visual experience and then removing what people liked about it
oh wait

>>6386659
Nah, problem with nu Wipeout is that its casualized and just less fun the ships all have too much grip, pitching is too situational, they fucked up the air brakes and changed an elegant, versatile system of sliding your ship into two very simple systems - air brakes and side shifts. Which is stupid, overcomplicates controls and removes depth. Before to do side shifts you could opposite brake, now its some clumsy double tap input. Removing boost management was a huge mistake too, the flips have less depth and the inputs are obnoxious especially when going for good times. That's not even mentioning the sterile aesthetics and mediocre OST

>>6384091
That's not 2097

>>6387283
When Invaders Must Die play I hit the zone. There are some nice tracks.

>>6387283
>nu
Confirmed non-player

>>6388192
Zoomie MAD

>>6388172
Sure but the soundtracks used to be nothing but great tracks, now we just get a couple or maybe a few good ones. Pulse was the only one that felt like they tried

>>6386147
It's still at 50FPS, you would need to change the code of the game for proper 60FPS.

>>6388312
>zoomie
What the fuck are you talking about? Are these even words?

>>6388108

The idea of a video game getting a music video just blew my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc

Oh and of course she has a whole backstory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc

>>6388328
t. non-player

>>6388494
Post Omega times

>>6388521
>the same webm every time
Again, non-player

>>6388575
Anon you're a very strange and likely cripplingly autistic cunt ngl.

>>6388343
the frame counter begs to differ

>>6384448
>And what makes wipeout tracks any better? They're all flat with rails running at a turtle pace.
They're incredibly fine tuned, especially when you're racing at higher speeds. Play Stanza Inter in Wipeout 3 to see what I mean, it has nothing that pops out (no jumps, corkscrews etc) but is one of the tightest most enjoyable tracks in the entire series.

>>6388613
Meant for >>6388521

>>6384091
I don't like Wipeout 3's physics, ESPECIALLY Special Edition.